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Did we mention the media don't care about epic gun violence?

March 30, 2009 2:06 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

And that the press, aside from downplaying what have now become routine, gun-related killing sprees that dot the nation, has completely walked away from even raising the issue of gun control in the wake of the rampages?

The latest proof came in the wake of the carnage that unfolded in Carthage, North Carolina, on Sunday when a heavily armed suspect, Robert Stewart, entered a local retirement home and began randomly shooting patients and employees with a high-powered rifle. Eight were killed and three others were wounded before police subdued the man. The local police chief described the killing scene as "unimaginable, horrific, everything you can possible imagine that is bad in this world."

The thin coverage the story has received nationwide has been rather astounding. According to TVeyes.com, in the 24 hours since news broke about the bloody killing spree, it has received just 180 mentions on cable and network television, combined (i.e. ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, CNN Headline News, MSNBC, and NBC.)

By contrast, the flood that didn't materialize as feared in Fargo, North Dakota, over the weekend received nearly 250 mentions during the same time span. So the flood that didn't happen got more coverage than than the killing rampage that left eight people dead in North Carolina.

Also, TV mentions of General Motors in the last 24 hours, prompted by the news its CEO is being forced out, far outnumbered the news mentions of the nursing home killing spree.

As for a discussion of gun control in the wake of the nursing home massacre, forget about it. It never came up on TV. The press has no interest in dissecting our Rampage Nation.

UPDATE: As a reader notes, there was another killing rampage over the weekend. This one inside a Santa Clara, California home; 6 dead (including three children), one critically injured.

To date, there have been just seven mentions of the story on cable and network news, according to TVeyes.com

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    • Author by seeryer (March 30, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
         
      There was a rampage shooting Santa Clara yesterday killing six.  Four were children.  Obama needs to step it up when it comes to this issue.  I know why he is afraid to but he can convince the American people that the gun lobby is radical, not his posiiton on gun rights.  He can do that, not many can, but he can. 
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    • Author by MrBrown (March 30, 2009 2:41 pm ET)
         
      Shouldn't that be "...doesn't care..."?
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (March 30, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
         
      Who's not there? 
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    • Author by wookie (March 30, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
         

      Especially in comparison to terrorism gun violence is way played down. Any other method of killing random people so frequently would get much more government and media scrutiny.

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      • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
           
        Like impaired drivers behind the wheel of a vehicle, little mention because there's usually "one or two" victims at a time.  But at the end of the year, it is a significant figure.
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        • Author by harley (March 30, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
             

           

          Drunk driving deaths, albeit horrendous and inexcusable, are NOT AT ALL comparable to a domestic terrorist breaking out his firearms to willfully and intentionally murder our fellow citizens.  Sorry...your analogy fails...completely.  Next.

           

           

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        • Author by wookie (March 30, 2009 4:06 pm ET)
             
          If you killed 15 people in a high school with your car? Yeah, that might make the news. It's also a good argument for registration.
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          • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 5:55 pm ET)
               
            All ready on the books.  One of the problems is the bad guy doesn't follow the rules, just like there are more than a handful of drivers out there without insurance (a regulation in our state) and maybe even without a valid license.
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    • Author by MickD (March 30, 2009 3:26 pm ET)
         
      If a bomb went off in a subway station somewhere and eight people were killed it would be a story for a week (who did it? why? Is it our "enemy"). But have the same thing happen with a nut and a gun domestically and it's a big ho-hum. Have the gun lobby got their claws into the media companies, ala Karl Rove and BushieCo? 
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    • Author by Victor Colorado (March 30, 2009 3:39 pm ET)
         

      "The Second Amendment breathes life into liberty. The Founding Fathers understood that the guys with the guns make the rules."

       Wayne LaPierre, president of the NRA

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      • Author by wookie (March 30, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
           

        I

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      • Author by wookie (March 30, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
           

        I love how the guys who discuss liberty all of the time are fond of lines like "the guys with the guns make the rules."

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        • Author by magnolialover (March 30, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
             
          And apparently, they've never actually read the 2nd amendment, because there is nothing in it that says you have the right to individually own guns.
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    • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
         

      There's no flood in Fargo????? Probably because the citizenry was out filling sandbags, rather that huddling in a shelter somewhere waiting for "the government" to take care of the problem.

      Oh, and there was a killing rampage in MA late last week that received little attention from the media (but then it involved knives rather than guns).

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      • Author by Victor Colorado (March 30, 2009 3:51 pm ET)
           

        There's no flood in Fargo????? Probably because the citizenry was out filling sandbags

         

        Nope.

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        • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 3:57 pm ET)
             
          So, who is filling the sandbags???????
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          • Author by harley (March 30, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
               

             Try 'teh google'

            [...]

            The sandbag effort resumed Sunday as helicopters began dropping 11 one-ton sandbags into the river to deflect its violent current and keep it from eroding vulnerable areas of the dike system.

            [...] 

            Some 1,700 National Guard troops helped reinforce the dikes and conduct patrols for leaks. Police restricted traffic to allow trucks laden with sandbags, backhoes and other heavy equipment to get through

             [...] 

            Volunteers in Fargo, North Dakota, prepared a reserve of almost a half-million sandbags to fortify levees against the still-swollen Red River, two days after floodwaters began to recede from a record crest. 

            [...] 

             About 225 National Guard soldiers are joining the city officials and volunteers at "Sandbag Central." And officials in Grand Forks plan to bring another so-called "spider sandbag" machine to Fargo that can produce about 5,000 sandbags an hour.

             

            [...]

             

             

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          • Author by Victor Colorado (March 30, 2009 4:04 pm ET)
               
            My point is that a change in the weather is being cited as the reason why there was "no" flooding.
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (March 30, 2009 4:35 pm ET)
                 
              It's more than little disingenuous to compare a hurricane to a rising river.
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              • Author by Victor Colorado (March 30, 2009 4:38 pm ET)
                   
                He just needed to take another whack at Katrina victims.
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                • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 6:01 pm ET)
                     
                  Or perhaps the government in Fargo, North Dakota and Minnesota were more willing to take the lead in this incident.
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                  • Author by magnolialover (March 30, 2009 6:30 pm ET)
                       
                    Or it could be that flood levels with a cresting river, are more easily predicted. Flooding from, well, a flood, is a lot different than flooding from a hurricane.
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            • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 7:28 pm ET)
                 

              "The Red River dropped to 38.96 feet Monday, nearly 2 feet below its peak but nearly 21 feet above flood stage. City officials have said they would breathe easier when the river falls to 36 or 37 feet or lower."

              Just for your info, Victor.

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      • Author by seeryer (March 30, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
           
        Oscar you appear to be comparing New Orleans to North Dakota.  That is pretty much an apples to dildos comparison.  The river crests every year.  It was just supposed to be worst this year.  Katrina did not even hit New Orleans but this scientific term called storm surge was too much for a city under sea level to handle.  If man made levees could not save New Orleans from the floods do you think man made sand bags would have?  Come on man, you can do better than that.   
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        • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 6:20 pm ET)
             
          There are levees in Fargo and Grand Forks, the sandbags are above those.  I don't know whether sandbags would have helped in NO, probably not. Some of the levee problems in NO are rooted in design as well as corruption in the political process of the area and are years old.  There appears to be plenty of water in the Fargo area outside the river banks from the videos I have seen, unless the governments in the area are planting stop signs and street signs in the river.
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    • Author by harley (March 30, 2009 3:52 pm ET)
         

       

      When a gunman goes on a killing spree, isn't this a form of domestic terrorism?  

      The radical right are "outraged" because of some lame scuttlebutt regarding Biden's daughter, but they are utterly silent when yet another nut goes lose on civilians with his firearms.  

      By the way, are there any statistics comparing gun violence during democratic presidencies versus republican?

       

       

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    • Author by harley (March 30, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
         

       

      Grouch is clearly just another radical extremist righty who refuses to address the topic at hand, but instead will desperately toss out every straw man and red herring possible:  knives, drunk driving, sand bags.

      Care to stay on topic?

       

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      • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 6:16 pm ET)
           
        MMFA started the flood (sandbag) vs. murder string, just pointing out there are other stories out there about multiple murders that are not getting covered either.  MMFA is pro-gun control (and it is ok to have a position).  I am for enforcing the laws already on the books, rather than go after the majority of the people in this country that have guns and do not go around violating laws when using those guns.  The improper use of guns is as much a societal problem as anything.  We have (in my opinion) "cheapened" the value of life over the years.  Gratuitously violent movies, video games, etc where the use of the "reset" button restores all as before give the wrong impressions to young minds. When we treat a lot of misbehavior as a shade of gray rather than black/white does not help.  We carried guns in our cars/trucks to school when I was in high school (sure they were single shot muskets, but that is another story) and there were bullies, etc, but none of us ever though once about getting the gun and shooting up the place.  Now we have people that want to "check out" and have little thought about the consequenses of taking others with them.
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        • Author by magnolialover (March 30, 2009 6:32 pm ET)
             
          Where has MMFA put up their policy, or what they think policies should be, on gun control? Because, last time I checked, they were commenting on the media not reporting much about these incidents, and not about gun control in particular.
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          • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 7:30 pm ET)
               
            You are correct, but MMFA's bais clearly shows through in the way the posts regarding gun violence are written. MMFA may not offically "gun control" advocates, but I would bet you that a poll of the staff would reveal that individual staff members are clearly pro-gun control.
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    • Author by magnolialover (March 30, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
         
      I was listening to a local call in radio show here in Asheville, NC, and the thing that the gun nuts are most worried about is that Obama is going to come and take their guns away. Seriously.

      I was at a gun show this weekend and everyone I talked to there kept telling me that Obama was going to take all of the guns, and that they would take them from their cold dead hands kind of thing.

      Also, there are lots of people hoarding ammo, because again, they think that Obama is going to take their guns away. Except for the fact, you know, that, Obama has proposed nothing of the sort, nor has he moved to limit gun purchases, or enact any form of gun control.
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      • Author by seeryer (March 30, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
           

        Who stands to benefit the most from hysteria over whether the government is going to repeal gun rights and take guns away from people?  That would be the gun lobby and manufacturers.  The same people shouting and lying the loudest about Obama taking away gun rights are the same people who stand to benefit the most.  I thought that was fraud.  I can, at least, call it fraudulent. 

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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (March 30, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
         

      Corporate interests have hijacked the media and don't want to upset anyone.......except you cannot advertise guns/weapons on TV.

       So....what gives ?

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    • Author by cArn (March 30, 2009 5:38 pm ET)
         
      Where did Oscar suddenly go??????
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 6:21 pm ET)
           
        At your six.  Some of us have to work to earn the paycheck we receive.
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        • Author by magnolialover (March 30, 2009 6:33 pm ET)
             
          Oh, that old yarn again about liberals not working. I have never seen, or heard a larger load of BS than that one.
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          • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 7:33 pm ET)
               
            Did I say that? Or are you trying to infer that I have a bias?  The company I work for does not allow posting during "on clock" hours.  That aside, I had the day off today, but I also let the staff (my estate) take off, so there was some work I had to do at home to clean up after an inch of rain on Saturday and an inch of snow on Sunday ;>)
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          • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 7:45 pm ET)
               
            Mags, and I realize that some here are out of work.  I've provided a couple of you some links over the past several months and if I know you are looking for a job and if I know your qualifications, I would be more than happy to provide what assistance I can.  I've been in that situation a couple of times in my career and it ain't fun.  Never quite as bad as this, even in the late 70s, early 80s.
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    • Author by shaggles (March 30, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
         
      Not sure it's just gun violence.  There hasn't been a huge amount of reporting on the kid who stabbed 2 of his sisters to death this weekend either.
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (March 30, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
           
        Decapitated one of them as I read the story.  Horrible incident.  But you're right, have seen very little coverage of that story.
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    • Author by Dem02020 (March 30, 2009 6:26 pm ET)
         

      I'm sure that the manufacturers, distributors, and retailers of firearms in America (all collectively represented by the NRA) are not very happy with the fact of these many recent shootings, or with what they might consider to be any over-emphasis on those shootings, in the news.

      And if there's any attempt to de-emphasize those reports in the media (and it wouldn't surprise me one bit), then I'd guess that attempt to be the work of the NRA: who as I said, is the lobbying agent of firearm manufacturers and distributers and retailers.

      And we can knock off this "grassroots organization" bullchit: the NRA is an industry lobby, pure and simple. What lobby is there, that wouldn't love to pretend that it is people, millions of them, that they represent, instead of the truth, that they represent the business interests of an industry, and the de-regulation (or less regulation) of that industry.

       

      Whenever I hear the reports of these shootings, there's always one thing I want to know, but find that's it's about the only thing those reports won't tell me: exactly how and where and from whom, did the murderous bastid in question get or buy his weapon, his firearm.

      It's a question so important to the cops investigating the shooting, that they get the answer but quick, before the sun has even set on the tragic day in question. And they're on that gun shop or retailer (or whoever) as fast as they can, to know all the details of the sale (or whatever).

      They find out exactly who sold the murderer the firearm: they find out the exact name and address, and they go there: they interview the retailer in the most serious way: they get every last detail of the sale: everything they learn then becomes part of their investigation: all of those details become part of the Public Record...

      And then I find for some strange reason, those details from that part of the Public Record, are somehow and for some reason all but completely ignored, in the media reports of the shooting.

      Sometimes I wonder why... but I figure I already know: it's the industry that's important here, it's the selling and manufacturing of firearms that generates such a protective interest here. It's a simple matter of Public Record where the murderous bastid bought his weapon, his firearm: but somehow that matter gets overlooked in the media reports, in the business interests of selling firearms (which is the NRA's interest).

       

      Oh yeah, by the way: the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution gives no right or protection whatsoever, to the manufacture and sale of firearms... read it again if you like: there's absolutely nothing in it that protects that industry, or even mentions the manufacture and sale of firearms.

      No more than the 1st Amendment, and it's right to petition the government for a redress of grievances, mentions or protects in any way, the giving of money to Congresspersons or government officials, by the NRA or anybody else.

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    • Author by TheAncients (March 30, 2009 10:51 pm ET)
         
      You guys are nuts. As a liberal Dem gun owner, I can assure you that the media has covered these terrible shootings. There have also been several articles and editorials on gun control following them.

      The strange comment I read here was that the lack of info on the types of guns used is due to some NRA conspiracy.

      Just the opposite IMHO. Usually the media screams "assault weapon" in cases where it turns out that is not the case (like Oakland). I think they just don't want egg on their faces.

      Oh, and to the person said that Obama has not proposed any banning of guns, it is on the whitehouse website, Holder proposed reinstituting the AWB, and HCR has as well.

      Finally, to all of you that think that any pro 2A people are right wing gun nuts, come on over to the Guns forum at the Democratic Underground. Go ahead and tell everyone your logic for gun control. You will likely see a surprising response.
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