LAT's Malcolm stokes Obama birth certificate conspiracy theories
May 06, 2009 12:41 pm ET by Jamison Foser
Andrew Malcolm, on the photos taken of Air Force One in New York:
According to the N.Y. Post today, those photos have been classified and will not be released by the transparent Obama White House. Not really classified as in "top secret" classified. But classified as in those are going in the file cabinet. Maybe mis-filed with the Obama birth certificate.
I tend to get nervous whenever I find myself agreeing with Mickey Kaus, but his scorn for the Los Angeles Times becomes more understandable with every new blog post from Andrew Malcolm.
the birth certificate has been seen and verified a few times and guess what your fellow mental patients at worldnetdaily have seen it and confirmed they have seen it and that it is a legit birth certificate, just because they are back peddling now saying that they saw a partial is a load of crap.
please don't talk anymore just go back to your fantasy world where torturing people made us safe and did not serve as a terrorist recruitment tool, where other nations of the world bowed to our every word and that we have the most stable economy we have ever had. and if you think any of those things happened or are true.....well you need help. badly.
why is your apparently favorite reply to tell people not to speak anymore? I think that this is an annoying thing to do. Why don't you just let people express their opinion?
I'm still out on the whole torture issue, because I don't KNOW ANYTHING FOR A CERTAINTY about what was done, what was confirmed by Congress, and most importantly, what information was gleened from the tactics used. Personally, I don't believe ANYTHING done to an enemy combatant in order to possibly save the lives of my loved ones is torture. If I know there are a group of people that want to kill us as Americans - then what purpose does it serve to slap their wrist and say - 'bad-boy', 'no-no', 'don't do that anymore', and release them? If they are hell-bent on killing us, nothing we do is going to stop them.
And just as an opposing viewpoint on recruitment tools - which one of these statements is the better for recruitment?
1) "hey, the new US Pres is soft on torture and is closing Gitmo, if you are captured you are sure to be treated with respect and love, then be released - come join our fight and exact revenge on the Americans for torturing your brothers!!!!"
Yeah, I can see where it would be MUCH more helpful to say:
2)"hey, come and join us in our fight for Allah against the Americans - they have tortured your brothers and we need revenge! Should you also be captured, they have a terrible prison at Gitmo, and unfortunately you will be tortured as well and they will keep you detained for a long period of time."
Hummm....now, which arguement is likely to attract more people to your cause????????
On the economy - I have just returned from a European vacation and people over there love Obama. I would ask them why? "Because he is black and he is going to help us", was the answer. OMG!---WHAT? When the tour was over, I explained that under Obama my taxes and living expenses were surely going to go up due to his deficit spending and radically liberal agenda; therefore, my tip for their services was being decreased by 20%. Unfortunately, I don't think that was the type of Obama help they had in mind - but then would fess up and say, "yes, they were seeing that more and more and no, they were not happy with it - tourism was indeed beginning to receed somewhat". A big percentage of Europeans exist on the American tourist dollar, so yes, their economy IS linked to ours. My trip was bought and paid for before the election. If I could have gotten my money back, I wouldn't have even gone!!! - a fact which I informed the Europeans of as well.
Onto the BC issue - exactly WHO has verified the COLB? They wouldn't be biased or anything right? Those that verfied it as legit wouldn't happen to be connected or support Obama would they? I'm not saying it's not legit - but I am keeping an open mind as to the validity of it. There are just too many twists and turns in his childhood and young adult life that would have implications with regards to his documents that have yet to be explained. And since he continues to keep ALL his documents sealed, I HAVE to wonder why. I refuse to be lead around by the government and spoon-fed information that I am then not allowed to question. If it doesn't add up and there are inconsistencies, I'm not going to blindly accept 'their' truths. I think ALL politicians are corrupt and I think each and everyone of them would lie to the American public for their own personal gain. From history, I am fully aware that my government is quite capable of a cover-up, and I choose to THINK with MY own mind about the information they present as the 'truth'.
Be careful about admonishing people for what YOU perceive as lies, when you are not above spouting your own UNCONFIRMED information.
A "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "birth certificate" ARE. THE. SAME. THING.
Like thejbomb said - go back to that fantasy world . . . the one where WMDs were found in Iraq and Dumbya was the most admired US president of all time.
You'll be happier there - and, you won't have to operate any heavy machinery.
I'm not asking anyone to change their opinion or belief - just think with an open mind. Understand and have tolerance for those that see it a different way. Look at the issue from the other sides point of view - put yourself in their shoes - then have an open and civil debate on the issues. To demean or ridicule someone for their belief or opinion is very foolish.
I can well understand why you believe the way you do. If I were on your side, I would probably have taken the statement by the Hawaii Health Department the same way as most of you have. But the fact is - the words were chosen very carefully. She could have easily said - the information that I personally verified is exactly the same information as contained on the COLB that the campaign has posted - but she didn't - for a reason.
But don't call me names and think I'm a mental case just because I happen to question an issue or have a different take on it than you. That's what America is all about - tolerance for everyone to have their own opinions and ideas.
The birth certificate story is really lame. The State of Hawaii officials has said that there's nothing to this nonsense.
Historical caselaw can only go so far in determining a current case. To my knowledge (which could be wrong) POTUS eligibily has never been heard at the Supreme level. Only citizenship issues NOT pertaining to POTUS; therefore, there is no real precedent set.
My opinion is based more on Obama's past ACTIONS rather than his words or the words of a document. While he was an Illinois Senator, Obama travelled to Kenya (on the American tax dollar) to campaign for a paternal relative who believes in Sharia Law. My question is:
Did Obama campaign for Odina out of paternal loyalty OR because he too believes in Sharia law, OR both? Either/Or is NOT GOOD. If he campaigned for Odinga out of paternal loyalty, well after his 21st birthday, then it would appear (from his own actions) that Obama does indeed still have foreign loyalties and thus should not be eligible to POTUS. Such actions could be looked upon as treason. If he campaigned for Odinga because he too believes in Sharia Law (which became more even more apparent that this might be the case, when he nominated Harold Koh-who is a transnationalist and believes in Sharia Law- for State Dept Legal Advisor) then that is just BAD BAD BAD for America. I have to wonder if those that support Obama's Hope and Change mantra will support Sharia Law as well. These are scary and newly defining moments for our nation, and believe me, the world is watching with baited breath!
You're ignoring some realities. It doesn't matter one tiny bit whether British law saw Obama as a British citizen. All that matters is the definition of Natural Born citizen as it is seen under US law. That has never been defined in detail enough to disqualify Obama as meeting that definition.
Under your (and Donofrio's) fanciful justification, if Freedonia (generic country) passed a law granting citizenship to every person born in the US, suddenly no one born here would be eligible for the presidency because they would all suddenly have dual citizenship. That's why it doesn't matter whether Great Britain grants citizenship to Obama. All that matters is US law.
Obama's COLB states that he was born in Honolulu. It states that because that is the information stated on the BC. Barring evidence to the contrary (which does not exist) it can reasonably be accepted as fact that he was born in Honolulu.
While I believe he was born in Hawaii and that the COLB is representative of his long form BC - there is absolutely no reason, other than arrogance on Obama's part, that the BC be withheld - unless there is some piece of information contained therein that he does not want the world to see - which is my guess. I do question the name on the COLB - it is my understanding that he was adopted by Lolo, and to my knowledge (I could be wrong) that he never legally changed his name back to Obama. Therefore, shouldn't the COLB show Barrack Soetoro, since at the time of the adoption the original showing Barrack Obama would have been sealed?
The problem is - there are too many unanswered questions, too many variables and possible scenarios for this to just simply go away. I believe Obama, himself keeps the issue alive by refusing to address it and put an end to it. I feel it is his way of thumbing his nose at those who want to question him. In his arrogance, he is saying, who do you think you are to question me - I'm the President and I don't have to give you any information that I don't want to. Well, he is the PEOPLE's President and he should answer to the PEOPLE. He is just too narcissistic to understand that.
The fact remains that putting information on the COLB that conflicts with that on the BC would be an act of fraud with the assistance of Hawaiian officials. There is no evidence that any such fraud took place.
I tend to agree that Obama is thumbing his nose at the birth certificate conspiracy nuts, but I don't see that as arrogance. Few are taking it seriously, and those who are would never be Obama supporters anyway. He probably sees no reason to jump through their arbitrary hoops and doesn't mind at all if they waste their time and resources pursuing this wild goose.