How would the NYT react if Joe Biden gave an excuse this lame?
May 17, 2009 8:33 pm ET by Jamison Foser
Here's Maureen Dowd's explanation for how her column came to contain a 42 word passage -- commas and all -- lifted without attribution from Josh Marshall:
I didn't read his blog last week, and didn't have any idea he had made that point until you informed me just now.
i was talking to a friend of mine Friday about what I was writing who suggested I make this point, expressing it in a cogent -- and I assumed spontaneous -- way and I wanted to weave the idea into my column.but, clearly, my friend must have read josh marshall without mentioning that to me.
Here's what Marshall wrote:
More and more the timeline is raising the question of why, if the torture was to prevent terrorist attacks, it seemed to happen mainly during the period when we were looking for what was essentially political information to justify the invasion of Iraq.
And here's what appeared in the New York Times under Maureen Dowd's byline:
More and more the timeline is raising the question of why, if the torture was to prevent terrorist attacks, it seemed to happen mainly during the period when the Bush crowd was looking for what was essentially political information to justify the invasion of Iraq.
So, does it seem even remotely plausible that Maureen Dowd had a conversation with a friend in which the friend repeated 42 words written by Josh Marshall, and that Dowd later typed those 42 words perfectly, with the commas in the same place, from memory? Of course it doesn't. (And by the way: Even if you take Dowd's explanation at face value -- which you probably shouldn't -- she still has some explaining to do. Because based on Dowd's story, she didn't "weave" her friend's "idea" into her column; she passed her friend's thoughts off as her own, lifting them word-for-word.)
So how do you think Maureen Dowd would react if, say, Joe Biden ripped off a few dozen of someone else's words, then offered up an excuse this lame? Or if Al Gore did?











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Sadly, this kind of thing happens all the time (trust me on this-- I'm a copy editor.) You'd be surprised how few people write all of their own material-- or the amount of editing that goes into things. Real surprised.
It's journalism's (and academia's) dirty little secret. And-- like the atrocious Doris Kearns Goodwin (a true phony) Modo got caught.
j/k, good post.
It doesn't make it right, and her excuse/apology sucked, but I am not sure it's a big deal since it was likely her friend's fault for using someone else's published words as her own. I don't think there's an issue if Maureen Dowd uses her friend's unpublished words in an email if she thinks the phraseology is sound and fits the need.
Which is exactly what happened. Modo should get officially suspended for this-- it violates every paper's handbook-- and Marshall should talk to some lawyers. He might make money off of it-- he at least should make a big deal of it behind the scenes.
Copying a friend's comment, a non-copywrited sentence, is not plagiarism. Get a clue.
It doesn't violate any paper's handbook. Not a single one.
It make sense, and your personal attacks and outraged behavior are, as usual, way over the top. Thanks for the troll rating for me expressing my original opinion in a very polite way. There was nothing about my post that was worthy of a down rating.
That being said, I fail to see how this is conservative misinformation at all; the point of the passage that was plagarized does nothing but hurt the conservative/GOP side on this issue. To me, it smacks of taking an opportunity to stick it in to an editorial columnist (and a mostly liberal one) who has the audacity to criticize and poke fun at progressive/dem leaders from time to time.
MMfA can't seriously be a general media watchdog...because it's partisan and biased. Stick to the conservative misinformation.
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