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The Red Scare Index: 80

May 21, 2009 11:15 am ET by Karl Frisch

Here is today's daily Red Scare Index -- our search of CNN, CNN Headline News, Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, MSNBC and CNBC for uses of the following terms: Socialism, Socialist, Socialists, Socialistic, Communism, Communist, Communists, Communistic, Marxism, Marxist, Marxists, Marxistic, Fascism, Fascist, Fascists and Fascistic.

Here are the numbers for yesterday, Wednesday, May 20, 2009:

TOTAL: 80
Socialism, Socialist, Socialistic: 72
Communism, Communist, Commnistic: 6
Marxism/Marxist: 0
Fascism, Fascist/s, Fascistic: 2

By Network:

CNN: 8
Socialism, Socialist/s, Socialistic: 8
Communism, Communist/s, Communistic: 0
Marxism, Marxist/s: 0
Fascism, Fascist/s, Fascistic: 0

CNN Headline News: 2
Socialism, Socialist/s, Socialistic: 2
Communism, Communist/s, Communistic: 0
Marxism, Marxist/s: 0
Fascism, Fascist/s, Fascistic: 0

Fox News Channel: 23
Socialism, Socialist/s, Socialistic: 21
Communism, Communist/s, Communistic: 2
Marxism, Marxist/s: 0
Fascism, Fascist/s, Fascistic: 0

Fox Business Network: 4
Socialism, Socialist/s, Socialistic: 0
Communism, Communist/s, Communistic: 3
Marxism, Marxist/s: 0
Fascism, Fascist/s, Fascistic: 1

MSNBC: 39
Socialism, Socialist/s, Socialistic: 37
Communism, Communist/s, Communistic: 1
Marxism, Marxist/s: 0
Fascism, Fascist/s, Fascistic: 1

CNBC: 4
Socialism, Socialist/s, Socialistic: 4
Communism, Communist/s, Communistic: 0
Marxism, Marxist/s: 0
Fascism, Fascist/s, Fascistic: 0

The above numbers are the result of a TVeyes.com power search for these terms on these networks.

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    • Author by GalaHGL (May 21, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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      And of course this couldn't be because the county is becoming more socialist and facist every time President Obama oens his mouth.
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      • Author by hotmovies (May 21, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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        Fascist; derived from fasces [Lat.], ancient Roman symbols of the regal and later the magisterial authority.

        Socialist; a social organization characterized by equality for all individuals.

        So in answer to your question, no this could not be because the country is becoming more socialist and fascist because these two conditions are mutually exclusive of each other.

        Also, questions are normally punctuated with a question mark and fascist is spelled with an (s).
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        • Author by GalaHGL (May 21, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
             
          Thanks for the spell check professor. Socialism basically is government owned industry. Facism is basically government controlled industry. Your text book definitions are impressive but lets just call a pig a pig. These are oppressive government systems that obstruct Liberty. They have failed consistantly thoughout history. People ultimately want to control their own lives.
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          • Author by hotmovies (May 21, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
               
            "Socialism basically is government owned industry."

            No, actually that's communism. Obviously socialism and communism are often confused so this is an understandable mistake.

            "Facism is basically government controlled industry."

            No, fascism (with an "s") is industry controlled government. More acturately corporate controlled government.

            You're not calling a pig a pig. You're calling a pig an ardvark.

            Without commonly accepted definitions there can be no resolution. Without the hope of resolution there is no reason for discussion.

            I hope this helps. Have a great day!
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            • Author by GalaHGL (May 23, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
                 
              Since you like text book definitions so much, here you go. This definition is referenced from:
              Rao, B. V. History of Modern Europe Ad 1789-2002. Sterling Pub
              lishers Pvt. Ltd, 2006. p. 215.
              In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.[10][11] This was to be acheived by a form of government control over business and labor (called "the corporate state" by Mussolini.)
              Sorry hotmovies, I only want people to understand that any government control, no matter what it is called, and no matter for what good purpose it is intended, detracts from the liberty of the people. Our Constitution outlines the best comprimise between allowing every one complete freedom and acknowledging that that humans are only human and will try to cheat other people. The conflicts that arise are then delt with using reactionary laws that punish offenders in a predictable manner without infringing on the Liberties of law abiding citizens.
              The opposite of Liberty is tyranny. All government control is tyranny. Our need of tyranny in this country is very limited. That is what the Constitution does. Brilliantly.
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              • Author by GalaHGL (May 23, 2009 1:07 pm ET)
                   
                I forgot to add:
                Barrack Obama has exerted government control over the auto and finacial industries. He has seized control of Chrysler and turned 55% owner ship tp the UAW. I believe THe government its self retains 10% ownership. That is government owner ship of the means of production. That is the text book definition for socialism.
                While washington doesn't yet own any finacial institution, Obama has exerted much power over them. Limiting pay and so forth. That is facism.
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          • Author by Craig (May 22, 2009 2:09 am ET)
               
            Yes, socialism is commonly defined as state ownership of the means of production, but it doesn't apply to bailouts, which are temporary measures by defintion.

            There's some disagreement on the definition of fascism, mostly because people have twisted its meaning in order to insult their political opponents, but to me it refers the fascist states of last century, and particularly their defining attributes of authoritarianism and nationalism. So the base of support for any would-be fascist leader in the US would heavily overlap with the group of people that still like Bush/Cheney.
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            • Author by GalaHGL (May 23, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
                 
              As I said. The bailouts approved by bush were wrong and could be seen as fascist. I have no intention of insulting any one. I merely state my position as an independant conservative thinker. My philosophy is based on The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, The Federalist Papers, The Complete Anti-Federalist, and other writings of the Founding Fathers.
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      • Author by Übermensch (May 21, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
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        No...it's because there are a small amount of pandering being done to please a percentage of viewers
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        • Author by GalaHGL (May 21, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
             
          Sir, please look up the definitions for socialism and facism them argue that our country hasn't become more of each. I'll give you a hint: auto industry(socialism) and the finacial industry (facism). Our government has expanded its power at a rate not seen since 1933. while you're at it, look up republic. Then look up notable socialist governments and study the result of these governments. This will give you an idea why conservatives don't like socialism.
          I'd like to ask a slightly different topic question of you and any one else who cares to answere. Where do our inalienable righs come from?
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          • Author by hotmovies (May 21, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
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            A republic is a state or country that is not led by a hereditary monarch, in which the people have an impact on its government. The word 'republic' is derived from the Latin res publica which can be translated as "public thing".

            Natural rights (also called moral rights or inalienable rights) are rights which are not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of a particular society or polity. In contrast, legal rights (sometimes also called civil rights or statutory rights) are rights conveyed by a particular polity, codified into legal statutes by some form of legislature, and as such are contingent upon local laws, customs, or beliefs. Natural rights are thus necessarily universal, whereas legal rights are culturally and politically relative.

            Blurring the lines between natural and legal rights, U.S. statesman James Madison believed that some rights, such as trial by jury, are social rights, arising neither from natural law nor from positive law but from the social contract from which a government derives its authority.

            The inevitable conclusion is of course that in the context of our republic the thing called inalienable rights are those born of a social contract. The social contract at it's most basic being the agreement between a group of people that the creation of and service to a collective (a society) would be in their best individual interest.
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            • Author by GalaHGL (May 21, 2009 8:33 pm ET)
                 
              Wow you must have gone to college. Which gives you licence to regurgitate liberal propaganda.
              I on the other hand choose to believe the founding fathers themselves. They contend that our inalienable rights are bestowed by Nature and Nature's God. I am perfectly agreeable to allowing atheists to claim them as Natural Rights, since freedom of religion is specifically protected by the Bill of Rights. Alexander Hamilton and James Madison was agaist adding the bill of rights because they felt the people shouldn't look to the government for rights. Thomas Jefferson opposed him and strongly felt certain rights need to be protected from government and others who would infringe them. All Founders knew that all Natural Rights were not bestowed by government or men but by human nature. These rights can not be granted or revoked by government, but endure in the hearts of men desite political pressures. Natural rights also are not limited to the few specifically protected in the bill of rights. Natural rights include freedom of speech and press and the right to bear arms and all of that. They also include more mundane things like the right to walk naked in your living room, the right to shop where you want, the right to party (as long as you don't violate some one elses rights), and the right to play Yanni in your basement way in the back so your friends don't catch you. A lot of our natual rights are mudane little every day things that people take for granted in a free society. Some are the more widely acknowleged rights that are specifically protected by The Constitution and various laws. What all inalienable rights have in common is that every one can enjoy them with out infringing on any of any one elses rights. Another thing is that in the entire history of The United States of America, the greatest country in the history of our planet, These Natural Rights have never cost the tax payers of this country one single cent.
              Your "inevitable conclusion" is nothing but liberal double talk that pays lip service to The Constitution while undermining the rights and philosophy it was created to protect. If nothing else Know this; our government was not created to provide, deny, favor, or diminish any right. It is only meant to protect our rights and prevent individuals, foreign powers, and its self from infringing on those rights.
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              • Author by hotmovies (May 21, 2009 9:14 pm ET)
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                God? Even though I've been to college I find myself unable to fathom the nature and intention of a supreme being beyond the scope of my humanity, or do I understand humans who somehow believe they can.

                Have God call me to explain. I'm sure he already knows my number.
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                • Author by GalaHGL (May 23, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
                     
                  As I said, if you don't believe in God thats fine. As long as you understand our rights are not derived from government but from our own nature. Meaning that our government doesn't tell us what to do, and only limits our behavior by asking not to limit our fellow citizens right to also enjoy their freedoms. Your inability to fathom supreme beings has nothing to do with our government. The constitution as it was written will still protect your right to live your life as you see fit.
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              • Author by hotmovies (May 22, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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                We live in a collective. Call it a society or a tribe or whatever. In order to recieve the individual benefits of collective existence, we have to agree on some kind of order. There can be no collective strength and therefore no individual benefit from chaos. Inevitably within the context of any order there will be compromise, or what you might call a diminishment of rights. But what you fail to point out is that the object of this compromise is the increase in equality among all its members, not to just take something away from them.

                In The United States the members of this tribe elect representatives to preside over these compromises in an impartial manner, within the framework of law and (hopefully) with an understanding and appreciation of the original social contract on which the tribe was conceived.
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            • Author by GalaHGL (May 21, 2009 9:00 pm ET)
                 
              I so focused on your answere to the rights question I forgot to acknowledge your definition of republic. It's a little incomplete don't you think? As far as etymology goes it is perfectly adequet but it lacks a certain amount of defining qualities. there are many political states that do not have a hereditary monarch. There are also several froms of government in which the people have an impact. A democracy for instance.
              If you read a little further into your textbook you will find that our republic is a representative form of government operated under the rule of law to protect a civil society. What this means is that under our constitution, All people are entitled to equal treatment under the law. Only when you infringe on another citizen's rights will the government react to protect the individual. At least that is what it is supposed to be. Laws and controversial Supreme Court decisions and entitlements have been slowly chipping away at our rights for nearly a century.
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              • Author by hotmovies (May 21, 2009 9:23 pm ET)
                   
                No, actually my definition of republic is brilliant in it's simplicity and allows for the nuance of different social constructs, without the coloration of "spin".

                Nice try though!
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          • Author by Craig (May 21, 2009 4:28 pm ET)
               
            How about you look up those definitions and tell us specifically what has been done that applies.

            And then maybe you can explain what motivated Bush and all those Republicans who voted for government intervention in those industries you mentioned to become socialists and facists.
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            • Author by GalaHGL (May 21, 2009 7:54 pm ET)
                 
              I will never condone what W. did for the auto industry. I would have prefered that GM and Chrysler go into bankruptcy and try to correct the mistakes they made leading to their downfall.

              Of course I could argue that Bush at least didn't confiscate stock holders stake in the government, (stock holders consisting of retirement funds, 401k's and other privately held value) and hand it over to the UAW. That would be one specificity. I could also say that the Bush administration did't force finacial institutions to relax lending practices, allowing people, who wouldn't normally be able to get a loan because they couldn't afford to pay it back, to have loans, which they of course defaulted on because they couldn't afford to pay them back, which caused banks to start finding interesting ways to hide their debts (mortgage backed securities). And as their hidden debts grew they started complaining that thse stupid government policies are bankrupting them, the government sent in freddie mae and freddy mac (both founded by government during the Great Depression) to boost confidence by buying these mortgage backed securities. Oh, but since the mortgages were defaulted the securities were effectively worthless. Meanwhile all of the defaults were driving down home prices and choking off new construction which lead to the subprime mortgage crisis. Which dropped us onto our current recession. Government intervention starting with HUD (Carter) caused the subprime crises. When W. attemped to reform Fannie and freddy the democrats in congress stopped him. It would have been the only good thing W. accopmlished. and now that they have failed miserably the government (W.) stepped in and propped them up at our expense. And finally Barrack Obama has bailed out banks and signed into law his "stimulus" bill, which takes money from private citizens and gives it to government to waste. President Obama also has not allowed banks to pay back there TARP money because they don't want to lose control of them.
              I hope that was specific enough for you. I apologise for implying that Obama started socialism and facism in this country. FDR did (New Deal). It was worsened by Johnson, (Great Society) Carter, (HUD) Reagan (bailing out savings and loans) Clinton, (expanding HUD and pressuring mortgage industries to lower standards) W.(bailing out auto industry and finacial institutions) and finally, continuing many of W.'s policies, Barrack Obama, who has socialized Chrysler and soon GM. Who again is pressuring financial institutions to continue policies that started our current recession trough their TARP benefits. Who also wants to socialize medical care. And whom will continue to socialize every thing he can before we vote in an opposing congress, hopefully made up of an independant conservative majority.
              All of these things are government intervention in the private sector that is at best merely wasteful and at worst is socialist and facist. Almost all politicains for the last 50 years has done something that has expanded government power at the expense of the taxpayer. All of these policies were self serving and unconstitutional. (10th. amendment) I want it stopped and our government returned to its constitutional limitations.
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              • Author by hotmovies (May 21, 2009 8:51 pm ET)
                   
                I'm not clear regarding your specific definition of socialism and fascism (which is still spelled with an "s").

                I don't see how any of the examples you've presented above fit any commonly accepted definition of the aforementioned terms.

                You're clearly upset about something, but I frankly don't see how it relates to socialism or fascism.

                I don't mean to presume upon your intentions, but it seems your use of these terms is pejorative and not descriptive. Obviously the pejorative use of said terms would significantly diminish the validity of your argument and it’s level of intellectual honesty.

                If you could, just for my enlightenment, please state your active definition of the terms socialism and fascism (with an "s") and then restate your position with respect to same.

                Thank you for your time and consideration.
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              • Author by Craig (May 22, 2009 2:13 am ET)
                   
                There is much wrong with your explanation of the financial crisis, but I'll just note that you're claiming banks committed fraud by selling securities they knew were worthless. Actually, the banks were making tons of money gambling that the housing market would keep going up.

                You acknowledge that the things you're complaining about, what you call socialism and fascism, have been going on for a very long time. And that's the point of this index. Beck and Hannity and Dobbs weren't ranting about socialism and fascism in previous administrations. They didn't seem to care about it until recently.

                It's more likely that they are just whining because they lost. Like you. You claim that socialism and fascism have been with us since FDR, yet you also say "The United States of America [is] the greatest country in the history of our planet," so it can't be that big a deal.

                And despite all the scary talk, this is still a Democracy, and if you don't like the way thing are going you can use your vote to try and change things. A bunch of people went that route in the last election.
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                • Author by GalaHGL (May 22, 2009 6:14 am ET)
                     
                  A very good point craig. I beieve the next elections will be very telling indeed. I also believe that gambling using those contrived securities was a fraud and fannie mae and freddy mac buying them up at the request of government was the height of stupidity. And I also believe that people and free markets are strong enough to tolerate and continue functioning well despite a large government presence interfering with it. And based on that belief, I believe our capitalist economy can grow even under the current unprecedented amount of government control of the private sector. But I lament the possibility that we could be an even greater nation had our government through the years had not put stifling restictions on our economy.
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                • Author by GalaHGL (May 23, 2009 1:22 pm ET)
                     
                  I don't care much what the radio cons rant about. While I do generally agree with their posotions, the tend to get stuck in minutae and lose themselve in tring to find evil in every statement made by their opponents. I can think for myself.
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                • Author by GalaHGL (May 23, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
                     
                  Oh yeah I forgot:
                  The banks made tons of money because fannie and freddy paid old market price for securities that no longer had any finacial backing and were practically worhtless. Which is why they were bailed out. They should be bankrupt, but they were bailed out
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