WND celebrates its impact on Fox News' trafficking in birth certificate theories
May 29, 2009 11:12 am ET by Media Matters staff
From a May 29 WorldNetDaily article:
WND also used Fox Nation's post to fundraise for it's "Where's the birth certificate?" billboard campaign and promote its petition for the "PUBLIC RELEASE OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE."
As Media Matters for America documented:
A May 28 headline on The Fox Nation -- Fox News' purportedly bias-free website -- asked: "Should Obama Release Birth Certificate? Or Is This Old News?" But contrary to The Fox Nation's question, the Obama campaign released a copy of President Obama's birth certificate, posting it on the campaign's Fight the Smears website. It also reportedly provided the original document to FactCheck.org, whose staff concluded in an August 21, 2008, post that it "meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship." The Hawaii Department of Health also repeatedly confirmed that the birth certificate on record with the state is valid and proves that he was born in the state of Hawaii.
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So, WND is bragging that their pushing of a false talking point got airtime elsewhere? See, usually I brag about things one should brag about - for some reason, WND is bragging about something they should be ashamed of.
Second, to believe in the fake certificate, you would have to believe that his mother said, "Someday my African American baby, who won't be accommodated at most business today in much of the country may someday be president, so I better fake him being born here."
Because he was automatically a citizen, the only motive for a fake certificate--whenever it was faked--would be to qualify as a presidential candidate.
So you would have to show that any possible fakery would have been done when it looked possible for him to be elected, such as after he became Senator. But not of the conspiracy buffs are saying it was faked that recently.
You're wrong. His mother's citizenship was not passed along if he was born abroad, unless she had lived 5 years in the US all after the age of 14. Therefore, she would have had to be 19 years old. She was 18 when she had Barack.
That was the law then. This is very clear if you research it. And, you don't need to use "birther" websites. You can look up statutes on the internet from all sorts of unbiased, factual sites regarding citizenship requirements.
This whole debate is so irritating, because the so-called "birthers" just want an answer. The thing posted on FactCheck doesn't cut it (you can look all of that up, too. The certification of live birth can be issued to children of Hawaiian citizen...in order to pass on citizenship status in many cases, although not in Barack's, as previously mentioned.
If I'm wrong, fine. But, why can't the media just really answer the questions and inquiries of the birth certificate people? Why not answer it head on? Laughing it off, like Gibbs did, is completely disrespectful and only feeds the suspicion that we are trying to be silenced.
Simple question - why won't BO just release the birth certificate? You know, the one that has your hospital and Dr.'s name, and both parents names? If he is so transparent, why not release it, just like McCain did, and just like everyone does all the time?
Recognize that we do have a lot to lose, by demanding this, because it is very possible he was born in Hawaii, but has an embarrassing detail (like his real father perhaps) on the certificate. This would backfire on us "birthers", but at least we'd have the truth and not the feeling that our president is usurping the Constitution.
Hawaii doesn't hand out a Birth Certificate copy when a request comes in. It's not a flaw in the discovery that he only has a Certificate of Live Birth - they use that original document to create the new one, and certify that it's a copy of the data from the original, including the place of his birth.
This is a non-story.
Crap, how many times does the state of Hawaii have to state that they have released, what they are allowed to release, and that Obama does meet the requirements for citizenship. eg he was born in Hawaii.
Dragging this dead body out of the mud doesn't prove or accomplish anything.
A flat-out lie. You've had your answer from a entire avalanche of respected sources, but since you don't like the answer you just keep asking the question like a three-year-old. So here are four things you can do about it: S. T. F. And U.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
Do you REALLY think that his parents would go to the trouble of submitting fictitious birth announcements in 1961, just in case he ever ran for president?
You "birthers" are idiots.
Your text to link here...
I was born overseas. I believe I was a U.S. citizen at birth because one or both my parents were U.S. citizens when I
was born. But my birth and citizenship were not registered with the U.S. Embassy when I was born. Can I apply to
have my citizenship recognized?
Whether or not someone born outside the United States to a U.S. citizen parent is a U.S. citizen depends on the law in effect when the person was born. These laws have changed over the years, but usually require a combination of the parent being a U.S. citizenwhen the child was born, and the parent having lived in the United States or its possessions for a specific period of time. Derivative citizenship can be quite complex and may require careful legal analysis.
But more important this:
I was born overseas. One of my parents was a U.S. citizen but never lived in the United States. One of my grandparents was also a U.S. citizen. Could I have derived U.S. citizenship?
If your parent was a U.S. citizen when you were born but had not
lived in the United States for the required amount of time before
your birth, but one of your grandparents was also a U.S. citizen
and had already met the residence requirements, then you may stillhave derived U.S. citizenship. The provisions of immigration law that govern derivative citizenship are quite precise and circumstances in individual cases can be complex.
So, in other words, even if his mother did not meet the residency requirement he would have had derived citizenship based on his grandparents.
You quoted the service as saying MAY. So, don't you think that this should have been publicly and openly resolved? Don't you agree based on your research that it is complex, and should not have been swept under the rug, ridiculed, and scoffed at?
Both of your examples start with "I was born overseas." Obama was not "born overseas." Let me type that again, more slowly, so you may understand it:
B a r a c k O b a m a w a s n o t b o r n o v e r s e a s.
Hawaii was a state when he was born there. Contemporary birth announcements and the document certified as an offocially valid and factually and legally correct "Certificate of Live Birth" corroborates that statement. So, once again, you beat not only the carcass of a dead horse, but its bones, since the flesh of your bogus argument rotted away months ago.
So says poster Michey.
But it's Michey that's wrong. The 'rule' that he mentions above doesn't apply in this case.
There is a birth certificate in the stores of the State of Hawaii. The State of Hawaii uses those stored birth certificates to create Certificates of Live Birth. On Obama's Certificate of Live Birth, it says that he was born in Hawaii, so it doesn't matter if some Certificates of Live Births don't describe births that happened in Hawaii- Obama's Certificate of Live Birth DOES show that.
The State of Hawaii doesn't send out "birth certificates" after the fact. They send out "Certificates of Live Birth". So, your 'demand' that he give you the proof you want, proof he cannot provide because the state of Hawaii doesn't send those out, is an unreasonable demand. How weird that you would demand that he either provide what you demand or be damned.
I personally will not accept him as our President until this issue and others have been brought out to view.
Mr. Obama is not this county's President - he is however an ILLEGITIMATE President that has not the right to hold this position that he has deceived the American public to gain.
Answer the following questions in one sentence.
1. What is the difference between a "Certification of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate". (Clue: Go look at yours, whatever state, and see if it contains as little information as what Obama posted on the Internet.)
2. Under what circumstances could a child born of Hawaiian parents be issued a "Certification of Live Birth" other than an actual birth within state borders?
3. Are children of one citizen parent automatically granted citizenship status if born abroad?
4. Is it common for a presidential candidate to seal his birth records and university records and hire lawyers at the cost of hundreds of thousands to keep them sealed?
5. What is your favorite flavor of Kool-Aid?
2. Some COLB's in Hawaii are given for children who are not born in Hawaii apparently. But not Obama's. His COLB says he was born in Hawaii. It says that because he was born in Hawaii, and it says that because that is the info that the State of Hawaii was able to get directly off the original copy that's stored in their vaults! The State of Hawaii officials have already told us that. If you don't know this, it's because you didn't want to hear or read this - that's the only way to have missed that info.
3. Citizens and natural born citizens are different things, but yes, if you are the child of one American and one parent of non-American heritage, according to US law, you get to decide when you are 18 which country you want to claim allegience to. And you are automatically granted the right to choose to be an American if that's what you want to do! So yeah, you are.
4. All lies.
5. None of your business.
How did Obama get his birth ANOUNCED in a contemporary Honolulu newspaper. AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH if he was NOT born in Hawaii.
Why did the Director of Health Dr. Chiyome Fukino and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, verified the birth certificate?
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.
Is there ANY level of proof that would satisfy you
AND
Which rightwing screechmonkey is doing your thinking for you THIS week?
You are a whacko
2. Under what circumstances could a child born of Hawaiian parents be issued a "Certification of Live Birth" other than an actual birth within state borders?
You are a whacko
3. Are children of one citizen parent automatically granted citizenship status if born abroad?
You are a whacko
4. Is it common for a presidential candidate to seal his birth records and university records and hire lawyers at the cost of hundreds of thousands to keep them sealed?
You are a whacko
5. What is your favorite flavor of Kool-Aid?
I like blue Gatorade.
The one where Bill Clinton was having dozens of people killed?
You still believe Obama is a Muslim?
Or like fellow birther Alan "nuttier than squirrel doo-doo" Keyes, is Obama a "radical communist?" (Keyes' exact words)
The fact is, what this all boils down to is the birthers are led by grandstanding liars wo are making tons of money from the suckers, anti-Jew nutcases like Andy Martin, bitter old political rivals like Keyes, and flat-out "We don't want that n**** in the White House!" racists.
Does it make any sense to you at all (any at all) that we "racists" love and hail Alan Keyes and don't trust Obama as far as we can throw him? Did you notice that Keyes is African-American too? Or, are you one of those racists that doesn't recognize "blackness", unless liberal is their state of mind? Don't you see how disgusting your point of view is?
Alan Keyes? Funny, but I don't hear the white righty talkers even mentioning him so I wonder how much 'luv' there really is for Keyes from your side.
But racists are in the ranks of these "birthers."
"Stormfront," the neo-Nazi web site claims Obama was born in Kenya.
And you "love and hail" Alan Keyes? Why?
He's a liar, a religious fruitcake, fake Christian, and grandstander.
That's because Alan Keyes is a sell-out Uncle Tom, and Barack Obama is an intelligent man that you feel vastly inferior to.
You want to see racism? Look at what this guy called Alan Keyes - a sell-out Uncle Tom. I never saw anything like that at any tea parties, I'll tell you. If you did, I guarantee you the person was hunted down by left-wing media to be photographed and interviewed so as to disparage the rest of us.
Just take your lies, smears, and hate and go.
Meanwhile, the remaining 300.6 MILLION of us (see? I can shout too, General Forrest!) already know the answer and are perfectly content with it, whether we like it or not! So you can join micheyIQof22 in the STFU corner...
No matter how much proof is produced, these fine Americans will always find some excuse for questioning the legitimacy of President Obama - never mind that most Americans are satisfied and the majority of voters chose Barack Obama.
They obviously hate democracy - and, by extension, they hate America.
Fortunately, they represent a very small minority, but their attacks are just a bloodless form of terrorism attacking the foundations of our democracy.
I recently tried an overlay of the map of states that have scored a failing grade in education (as supplied by the USDOE) with a map of red states v blue states from the last election. Is it really any wonder at all that the maps are nearly identical?
Gee, I like this one.
"Among adults age 25 to 34, the U.S. is ninth among industrialized nations in the share of its population that has at least a high school degree."
"Top performers included Finland, Korea, the Netherlands, Japan, Canada and Belgium."
Granted this is from a study by "Organization for Cooperation and Development. The 30-nation organization develops the yearly rankings as a way for countries to evaluate their education systems and determine whether to change their policies" And I can't verify their findings but; I think Finland is a pretty liberal country. Other than that, I believe the education system does not depend on whether a country is liberal or not but; whether the people of that country place a high emphasis on education.
There really is no way the conservatives can win this argument.
Good to see that the Red County educational systems are up to scratch when it comes to history...
I personally will not accept him as our President until this issue and others have been brought out to view.
Mr. Obama is not this county's President - he is however an ILLEGITIMATE President that has not the right to hold this position that he has deceived the American public to gain.
Obama - If you have nothing to hide? Then show the simple papers and life can go on....
But until - as I've stated above:
ILLEGITIMATE President
I can assure you that Obama has been completely investigated to ensure that he is a US citizen.
The issue has been completely resolved. Also, 400,000 represents less than 1% of the population of this country. It is reassuring to me that we haven't created very many people who are entirely unclear on the concept of democracy and free elections.
WingNutDaily and Fox (har har) "news" are still beating this dead horse.
Since only one in ten has taken this oath, am I to assume the other nine could care less about our constitution? Sadly, it looks that way to me.
Your argument has no merit.
So if you concerned citizens think there's a problem here, send you opinions straight to the people who gave the clearence. Which would be the FBI.
Just because certain knuckle-dragging knuckleheads keep asking the question over and over like a spoiled three-year-old doesn't mean it hasn't been answered. So grow up already!...
They don't give out another Birth Certificate. They only give out a Certificate of Live Birth.
Also, you have not provided a scintill of evidence as to the existence of this fanciful 400,000 people who exist only as voices in your head. Until you do, we'll just continue to talk to you slowly and quietly, and insist that you seek psychological help. It's for your own good. really.
And, the simple documents have been shown. It isn't our fault that you can't comprehend them.
Snoopy has accused Miss Dee. Is it you deer?