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MSNBC's continued embrace of Pat Buchanan shows it still hasn't learned from Savage, Imus, Matthews fiascoes

June 03, 2009 12:17 pm ET by Jamison Foser

Given Pat Buchanan's history of clear bigotry - most recently demonstrated in his reminder last night that he supported and continues to defend a white supremacist - there really isn't any good reason for MSNBC to continue putting him on the air. The man is a bigot, plain and simple.  In light of the hot water MSNBC has gotten into in the past for bigoted comments by its employees, you would think they would want to distance themselves from the likes Buchanan.

But what's really extraordinary is that MSNBC brings Buchanan on air to talk about race issues. It gives Pat Buchanan a platform from which to call other people racists. Granted, if there's someone who knows racists better than Pat Buchanan does, I can't think of who it would be. But his is not the kind of expertise MSNBC should be inflicting upon its viewers.

Pat Buchanan's idea of a good Supreme Court justice was someone who said "I believe that segregation of the races is proper ... and the only practical and correct way of life in our states. I yield to no man in the firm, vigorous belief in the principles of white supremacy and I shall always be so governed." Pat Buchanan says calling that person a racist is a "smear."

Paying Pat Buchanan to opine about the Supreme Court, and to call other people racists, is nothing but a sick, twisted joke.

But that's just what MSNBC is doing.  Here's a compilation of some of Buchanan's recent vile and hypocritical attacks on Sonia Sotomayor:

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    • Author by seeryer (June 03, 2009 12:55 pm ET)
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      I don't understand the avalanche of anti-Pat at MMFA. I know he is crude and has treated Sotomayor unfairly but even the Right Wing does not take Pat seriously. He has no following, he doesn't have his own show railing against liberals and Democrats all day. He is the most conservative voice on the most liberal cable news network on TV today. The guy is practically irrelevant except when he is brought up by MMFA. I love this place and feel there are bigger fish to fry than Pat Buchanan.
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      • Author by dusteemusic (June 03, 2009 1:53 pm ET)
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        We have too many young people tuning in to the news since the Obama campaign and election. They don't need to hear his racist views. He belongs on the Fake News Channel.
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        • Author by seeryer (June 03, 2009 2:58 pm ET)
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          That is pretty weak. Young people have not heard racist things before? Seriously, the guy is on MSNBC because he provides a point of view no one else at that outfit shares. I don't think he should be booted for it. What Buchanan has said about Sotmayor is minor compared to Imus' reamrk about Rutgers or Savage's daily comments. Chris Matthews is an idiot. To be honest, I would rather see Pat Buchanan host Hardball than the king of idiocracy, Tweety Matthews.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 03, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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            Agreed on Mathews and agreed on Savage and Imus. But Buchanan is not needed here. He's far from the best they can do. There MUST be some conservatoive out there who's (1) not a biggot (Savage, Imus, Buchanan, Dobbs, Limbaugh) (2) not a liar (Will, Sowell, Gingrich, Cheney, Carlson, anyone on Fox, Limbaugh) and (3) not a nutcase (Bachmann, Coulter, Limbaugh, Robertson, Dobson, etc...) I mean... I can't think of a single one myself at the moment... but there MUST be SOMEONE, no?

            (You might want to suggest someone, anyone, that poasses muster. Otherwise: you guys are in TROUBLE.)
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            • Author by KCShuffle (June 03, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
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              How about Michael Smerconish, Michael Medved, or Ed Rollins. All are conservatives. I disagree with them on almost all their positions, but I can at least follow their rationale on an issue. Although I find Pat's arguments to be repulsive at times, it's never wise to discard differing opinions. Most of the time, I think Pat spouts off just to get a reaction from the rest of us.
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              • Author by pdxbuckeye (June 03, 2009 3:57 pm ET)
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                Yeah, Pat reminds me of GrandPa Munster...

                The sort of loony old guy cooking up crazy formulas all the time...

                the thing that worried me the most is that he was the only guy on TV in 2003 that made any sense about the lead up to the war in Iraq...

                I always found it very very creepy that I agreed with Pat Buchanan...still gives me the willies just thinking about it.
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                • Author by KCShuffle (June 03, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
                     
                  ....GrandPa Munster....Perfect depiction. I was trying to come up with a character to describe him. That's hillarious. It also wierded me out when I agreed with him on the war issue, but am always reminded that he saw the issue from protectionist lenses.
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                • Author by Harthur32498 (June 03, 2009 6:52 pm ET)
                     
                  You make a very good comparison there about GranPa Munster. Most people compare Pat with the crazy old uncle who embarrasses everyone at family gatherings. Your last line made me laugh.
                  You mean somebody actually agreed with Pat at one time? Your post made me laugh in spite of feeling nauseous watching the video of the racist old dinosaur Pat.
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              • Author by Preston (June 03, 2009 4:24 pm ET)
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                Er, wasn't it Michael Medved who wrote an article not that long ago saying slavery wasn't that bad? Yeah. No bigot there.
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                • Author by KCShuffle (June 03, 2009 5:47 pm ET)
                     
                  True, but I would much rather have his voice and opinion out there so the American public can see it for the lunacy that it is. To deny their opinions would be admitting that ours have no merrit and stand no chance in debate with theirs. No matter if ours has to tie its shoe laces while theirs is half way around the world. The truth is always going to be the truth.
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                • Author by worrierking (June 03, 2009 7:15 pm ET)
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                  Medved is the worst of the worst.

                  Another lame culture warrior who lives to protect us from filth.

                  I'll take the filth any day.
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 03, 2009 6:54 pm ET)
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                Michael Smerconish is very good. I agree with most of what he says. I understand I am not a liberal. But, I like to think I am a reasonable moderate - and I have to say that even when I disagree with Smerconish, I do not find him disagreeable.

                Ed Rollins is also pretty good. He is also very smart politically speaking.

                I could do without Medved. He has never shown himself to be particularly intelligent.
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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 04, 2009 9:46 am ET)
                   
                it's never wise to discard differing opinions.

                Ummm... yeah, it's sometimes wise to do so if those opinions are based on faulty reasoning, racism, outdated stereotypes and/or dogma, or outright demonstrable falsehoods.

                Ignorance is not a 'point of view.'
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            • Author by seeryer (June 03, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
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              If Pat goes, the next one will be worse. Pat was the voice of reason in reagrds to the DEM primary on MSNBC. Olbermann and Matthews were much worse towards Hillary Clinton in the Primary than Pat has been to Sotomayor over the last two weeks. Come on people. We can't silence people who we don't agree with. I think labeling Buchanan's comments racist or requesting termination because of them is way overblowing this issue.
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              • Author by LuvLuLu (June 03, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
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                What are you talking about? When anyone pushes conservative misinformation in the media, it gets pointed out here.

                It's not attacking the messenger. It's attacking their partisan and misleading message.

                So I don't understand why you're trying to claim the messenger is being attacked here.
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                • Author by Harthur32498 (June 03, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
                     
                  Thanks for that Luv.
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                • Author by seeryer (June 03, 2009 7:17 pm ET)
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                  I see your point. It seems the headline of this thread is more about dumping Pat from MSNBC that highlighting his words. That is where I am coming from.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 03, 2009 3:08 pm ET)
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        ALL conservative liars must be called out. Pat Buchanan is still arguably more influential on a national scale than Bill Cunnigham or Quinh & Rose, despite the fact they do have their "own show(s) railing against liberals and Democrats all day." And MSNBC itself had a broad reach, so they shouldn't give a nut-job like Buchanan a platform. That "most liberal cable news network on TV today" is keeping him relevant by giving him that platform. And this after a history of racial (and gender) controversies (Savage, Mathews, Imus, etc...). So this is as much about MSNBC as it is about Buchanan. They also have Bachmann and Coulter on all the time (on Mathews) and basically never callthem out and make them look like the kooks they are. That's not ballance - it's INSANITY.
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      • Author by pointofview (June 03, 2009 4:16 pm ET)
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        The real problem is the Maddow, Olberman, and the Ed show are not enough for MMFA and the posters here. They will not be happy until there are NO voices from the right on MNNBC.
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        • Author by overmars jr. (June 03, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
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          I find it cute, yet alarming that you so casually admit "voices from the right" seem to consist of nothing more than shrieking bigoted incitement liars. We need more of those in an honest discourse, do we?
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          • Author by jbrantow (June 03, 2009 5:55 pm ET)
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            "voices from the right" seem to consist of nothing more than shrieking bigoted incitement liars" TRUE !
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        • Author by scootmandubious (June 03, 2009 6:49 pm ET)
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          If Pat Buchanan is the best you can do, the 'right' is in pretty bad shape.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 04, 2009 9:48 am ET)
             
          No, the problem is that you guys can't argue without resorting to debunked talking poitns, stereotypes and outright lies. It ain't the philosophy that's in question, it's the dihonesty,
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    • Author by cmiller442 (June 03, 2009 1:06 pm ET)
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      MSNBC keeps Pat Buchanan around so Joe Scarborough has someone to agree with and Chris Matthews to laugh at.
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    • Author by seeryer (June 03, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
         
      What is the difference between Buchanan, Imus, Matthews and Savage in regards to MSNBC? The difference is MSNBC has not given Buchanan his own show so maybe they have learned something.
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    • Author by Just Another Citizen (June 03, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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      Yeah, if only Pat were as logical and even-tempered as Keith Olbermann.
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      • Author by cmiller442 (June 03, 2009 2:34 pm ET)
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        Would he then also get his own successful primetime show like Olbermann already has had for the past few years?

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        • Author by eekeller (June 03, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
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          Truth is spoken in jest! Even-tempered and logical and Pat Buchanan...now that IS funny!

          BTW, if he could be even 1/2 as logical as Keith Olbermann, he might get his own show.

          Pat also has an admitted racist working for one of his orgs, Mr. Epstein.
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          • Author by seeryer (June 03, 2009 3:00 pm ET)
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            Keith Olbermann is a bufoon. He has taken Bill O'Reilly's model and applied it to the left. I am a liberal and KO makes me puke pretty much everytime I see him on his high horse.
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            • Author by cmiller442 (June 03, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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              O'Reilly and Olbermann aren't even in the same league. O'Reilly is a bully that believes the world revolves around him and him alone. Olbermann's show has class-act guests plus insightful discussion. O'Reilly's show gets more like Jerry Springer every day it's on.

              O'Reilly's game is to stoke hatred and false indignation in his audience and then get paid a few of Rupert's millions for doing it.
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              • Author by pointofview (June 03, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
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                Right. Olberman is a former sports guy who now thinks hes God.
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                • Author by cmiller442 (June 03, 2009 4:34 pm ET)
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                  I've actually never seen that attitude in Keith Olbermann.

                  I suppose it's a possibility I might think that way...if I never watched him and listened only to Bill-o the Clown's take on MSNBC..

                  I've also never seen Olbermann ambush and ridicule those that may think his show is a joke, unlike Bill-o.
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 03, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
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                  Right. While O'Reilly is a former broadcaster for whom..? Current Affair?? Let's see those Peabody's!
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              • Author by seeryer (June 03, 2009 7:23 pm ET)
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                Olbermann bullies his opponents from in front of a TV camera. He will not bring them on. He thinks he makes the world revolve. I agree that Olbermann attempts to have insightful discussion with guests in comparison to O'Reilly.
                He ought to leave Billo alone because he doesn't need to go after him anymore. The act has ran its course.
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            • Author by jbrantow (June 03, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
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              Olberman has intellectual honest guests . O'reilly has bigoted wingnuts as his guests....(mary catherine hamm, and the blond idiots from fox and friends) No ccmparison between Olberman and O'reilly!
              Any similarity is in your delusional mind.
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              • Author by seeryer (June 03, 2009 7:28 pm ET)
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                I am talking about the man O'Reilly and the man Olberman. They are pretty much the same guy from opposite ideological spectrums. Of course I prefer Olberman's guests to O'Reilly's. I don't think it is delusional to call him a buffoon. He pretty much earned it covering the Dem Primary in 2008. His disdain for anything Clinton showed him to be nothing more than a hack. Just my delusional mind at work I guess.
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                • Author by LuvLuLu (June 03, 2009 10:22 pm ET)
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                  The MAN O'Reilly is who invites a particular type of guests on, and the MAN Olbermann is who invites a particular type of guests on. Olbermann chooses to have insightful, truthful guests on, and let's them talk. When O'Reilly accidentally has people on his show who disagree with him, they get their mikes cut and/or he talks over him. He did this just a few days ago when he had two lawyers on who told him he was full of it.

                  You are clearly delusional about all of this. I just to think that the few posts I remember you making were fairly reasonable. Were you just a lurker troll all along?
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                  • Author by pointofview (June 03, 2009 11:31 pm ET)
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                    LOL..I love it

                    Seeryer does not agree with you on one issue...and he goes from reasonable, to a troll. Wow LuLu, have another glass of kool aid
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            • Author by Harthur32498 (June 03, 2009 6:59 pm ET)
                 
              Well, at least KO takes the time to research his commentary, wheras BO just spouts off anything that comes to his narrow mind. C'mon, Bill will never be in the same league as Keith. no contest. There is a huge difference between intellect and ignorance.
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          • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 03, 2009 3:31 pm ET)
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            If he was 1/2 as logical as Keith Olbermann he'd be a liberal!
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      • Author by isabellakate (June 03, 2009 3:53 pm ET)
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        Logical and even tempered are not adjectives I would use to describe Olbermann. His bias is apparent in every speech and interview. Vicious,abusive,insulting,elitist,hateful are other descriptors that come to mind.

        Olbermann's behavior is antithetical to the principles of open-minded liberalism which should never insult or abuse people who hold different views. His nasty attitude to anyone who disagrees with him was instrumental in causing me to doubt my lifelong support for liberal causes. Olbermann is not "liberal". Stalinist or Fascist is more apt. Like a number of others who currently want us to think of them as leftist, his true orientation is closer to the right.
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        • Author by overmars jr. (June 03, 2009 5:48 pm ET)
             
          Utter nonsense. You prove it with "His nasty attitude to anyone who disagrees with him was instrumental in causing me to doubt my lifelong support for liberal causes". As if that should even remotely happen when listening to some vicious and hateful, to surrender your principles out of spite.

          I truly can't stand some of his ways, such as the sexual pun-laden teabag day report, which I found absolutely unprofessional, and the "WTF?" segment title - that sort of showboating.

          That being the case, I still can acknowledge that man does not ever sit there and manufacture news. He also uses quite impenetrable, and rarely heard logic on a great many occasions. So no... there is almost nothing you say here that holds any water. These two men are not even slightly similar.
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        • Author by scootmandubious (June 03, 2009 6:48 pm ET)
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          You are a slanderer.

          If you are going to call Mr. Olbermann a "Stalinist or Fascist" and state that "his true orientation is closer to the right," at least have the decency to give specific examples.

          Or were you mostly just interested in swift-boating?

          And, just out of curiosity, does this have anything to do with Olbermann backing Obama over Clinton?

          Say what you want about Keith, but he speaks very bluntly about issues I care deeply about and, most times, I find he hits it out of the park. Considering he is the first modern-day journalist at a major network to aggressively stand up for Progressive causes, I find him courageous and worthy of defense against unsupported, scurrilous attacks.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 03, 2009 6:58 pm ET)
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          You are clearly not a liberal. Get a grip.

          What has Olbermann ever done to be Stalinist or Fascist?? Noone believes your nonsense.
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          • Author by LuvLuLu (June 03, 2009 10:25 pm ET)
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            When they (new posters) try to gain credibility by claiming that they are "liberals, but", you can always disbelieve them. One does not try to gain credibility by claiming anything online, where you can lie unobstructed. One has to earn credibility.
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            • Author by christopher howard (June 03, 2009 10:56 pm ET)
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              I'm a liberal, so you know you can trust me when I say W was the greatest president ever, Sean Hannity's a great American and Glenn Beck rocks! Furthermore, I know you, my fellow liberals, will agree that Sarah Palin is the only one to lead our great country in 2012 and that all liberals are fascists.
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (June 03, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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      Buchanan is an equal opportunity hire
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    • Author by jbrantow (June 03, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
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      Pat Buchanan is a racist, homophobic bigot who is an outdated relic. He has the hots for sarah palin (almost to the point of drooling on air) and a dried up narrow minded sister-bay.
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    • Author by scootmandubious (June 03, 2009 6:23 pm ET)
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      I realize that it is not representative, especially since those who respond to AOL and Yahoo polls tend to be more right-of-center than the general populace, but I found a poll on AOL today highly disturbing.

      With just under 8,000 respondents, about 57% of people said 'yes' when asked if Judge Sotomayor was racist. Seeing that made my blood boil.

      We need to have Democrats brushing back on these loathsome, right-wing maggots, as fiercely as they trumpet their obscene talking points.

      Where are the Democratic politicians stressing repeatedly that Samuel Alito made virtually the same comments about the influence of his background as Sotomayor made about hers.

      The one thing Dems never do is give a unified defense against scurrilous charges.

      The end result? Those accusations of racism are sticking. It is disgusting and shameful.
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      • Author by pointofview (June 03, 2009 11:32 pm ET)
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        Shows the country is coming back to the right and to reason. It may be slow, but it is happening.
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        • Author by cmiller442 (June 04, 2009 8:14 am ET)
             
          Your comment shows you're not paying enough attention to current events.
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      • Author by DAWUSS (June 04, 2009 1:13 am ET)
           
        Judging from the AOL polls, you would have thought Johnnie Mac was going to win in an electorate landslide and 60+ of the popular vote.
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    • Author by eric.sipos4447 (June 03, 2009 7:04 pm ET)
         
      The thing I am most disappointed with re. Olbermann is he gives his co-workers at MSNBC a free pass, particularly Buchanan. C'mon Keith! If anyone deserves WPITW, it's this creep.
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    • Author by Kewalo (June 03, 2009 7:57 pm ET)
         
      I have been wondering for months why Bigot Buchanan is still seen all the time on MSNBC. How's this for statement?

      First, America has been the best country on Earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.


      Your text to link here...

      Why our black community should just be eternally grateful for the slave ships that brought them here to be slaves for over 200 years, right? And I guess they aren't showing Pat enough gratitude for Jim Crow either. He's probably just waiting for the chance to write another column about that.

      All I can say is thank God for the remote, as soon as I hear his voice I change the station. And I find it appalling that he is treated as if his opinion is respected.

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    • Author by Groucho4000 (June 03, 2009 10:33 pm ET)
         
      Poor Pat and all of us white males. I know that when I walk down the street at night people lock their doors and make sure I'm not up to anything illegal. And as a white male I know that those Affirmative Action lynching groups are around every corner waiting to hang me, or burn me, or just beat me to death.
      Yup, Pat has got it right, it's just like the old south except it's against us poor beaten white poeple.
      That incredibly stupid arguement has my head spinning so fast that the screen in front of me is just a blur right now!
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    • Author by moondancer (June 04, 2009 9:23 am ET)
         
      He is as jovial a racist as I've met in a while. MSNBC validates his racist, misogynistic, anti-Semitic bile by having him as a staff bobblehead. There is no rationalization, they support racism.
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