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Maybe this explains the right-wing attack on ABC News

June 17, 2009 8:53 am ET by Eric Boehlert

From PollingReport.com:

The GOP Noise Machine continues to launch its pre-emptive attack on ABC News for having the audacity to turn over a chunk of its primetime to address the pressing national issue of health care reform. (The nerve!) Maybe what conservatives really fear is the fact that an overwhelming majority of Americans favor health care reform. Maybe the Noise Machine wants to shut down any debate because it realizes it's on the losing side.

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    • Author by bruce1ace (June 17, 2009 9:18 am ET)
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      The Country as a whole definitely wants health care reform. However, when you get down to specifics as to what changes they want it's not that clear.

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/16/americans-united-change/62-percent-support-health-not-barack-obamas/

      "It's true that polls show solid majorities of the American public think the health care system needs change.

      But there's a big difference between general support for health care legislation and the particulars of Obama's plan. The ad from Americans United for Change cites a Diageo Hotline Poll of June 10, 2009, saying that it showed 62 percent support for "the President's plan to reform health care." The actual question was this: "Do you support or oppose Congress and the President enacting a major overhaul of the U.S. health care system?" That question gauges whether people broadly support the president and Congress working together to change health care...

      The ad from Americans United for Change implies that 62 percent support a public health insurance plan. But the Diageo Hotline poll did not ask specifically about the public option.

      A poll that did, the Rasmussen Reports poll of June 15, 2009, asked the question plainly -- "Would it be a good idea to set up a government health insurance company to compete with private health insurance companies?" -- and found support split, with 41 percent answering yes, 41 percent answering no, and 18 percent saying they weren't sure. That's nowhere near 62 percent support... "

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      • Author by neon desert (June 17, 2009 10:18 am ET)
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        And yet all those numbers you "quoted" support a desire for information, which is antithetical to what the right-wing wants. Don't think that their rhetoric would be anywhere near as strident if they simply wanted the same opportunity to present their own proposals. They want things to stay exactly the way they are - advantageous to their clients, the insurance industry. And they recognize that the more the facts of this topic are in the face of the public, the less chance they have of keeping the status quo.
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        • Author by bruce1ace (June 17, 2009 10:31 am ET)
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          The insurance industry is in the pockets of both parties.
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          • Author by harley (June 17, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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            All the better reason to get rid of them. Thanks
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          • Author by cynical_one (June 17, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
               
            The good idea that I've heard in the past is to make the health insurance industry non-profit.
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        • Author by CamperDan (June 17, 2009 6:14 pm ET)
             
          Nonsense. We do not want things to stay the same. But for the government to be in control of 17% of GDP is scary! Look here. Let's assume you could buy "Food insurance". Do you think people would buy more food than they need or less food than they need? When you went to the Grocer to stock up for a party, do you think the Grocer will over estimate the amount you need or under estimate the amount you need. The problem is that consumers are too removed from the actual cost of medical care. That and tort reform needs to be legislatated so that Doctors malpractice insurance is reduced. But the Democrats don't want that because the Trail Lawyers are their "special interest group".
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      • Author by NG_Officer (June 17, 2009 10:22 am ET)
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        And maybe the reason the Rasmussen poll shows what it does is because the GOP has been muddying the waters with false talking points (e.g. government takeover) in an effort to confuse the "average American voter"
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        • Author by CamperDan (June 17, 2009 6:16 pm ET)
             
          Sir, what is 17% of GDP formerly in the hands of private business now controlled by government, called? Seriously. What is the definition?
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    • Author by Dem02020 (June 17, 2009 10:36 am ET)
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      When 38 percent of Americans were asked about "reforming the Health Care System", 66 percent of them then asked a question themselves in response : "what do you mean by 'system'" they asked... and then when confronted by the question of what does 'system' specifically refer to, only 24 percent of those who started the whole thing in the first place anyway, answered back "Health Insurance"... to which those who were being asked then said:

      "Oh, Health Insurance... OK, this is what I think of Health Insurance" they said.

      Health Insurance, when when offered by a private Health Insurance company, is simply someone in business, in the business of being a "middle man", in the business of buying low and selling high (like a lot of business people do), and what these "middle men" have done is they've inserted themselves into the transaction between a person needing (and therefore purchasing) Health care, and the ones providing (or selling) that Health care to them...

      And once they've inserted themselves into the transaction, between the Health Care provider and the one who needs the Health Care, these "middle men" private for profit Health Insurance companies, they naturally take out a slice of the transaction for themselves, to cover all of their administrative costs and salaries and the buildings they operate out of and the jets and airfare and company cars and the perks and the benefits and of course on top of it all, a HEALTHY PROFIT of course...

      And this jacks up the the cost of Health Insurance premiums like you read about!

      And those premiums are so costly, and take such a big chunk out of people's paychecks, that two bad things happen as a result...

      One, people's take home pay is so reduced by the bite of Health Insurance premiums, that they can't save any money, not for their kid's college or for a mortgage payment or down payment, not for a rainy day even...

      And two, because of all of this, millions of people say screw it, I'll go without Health Insurance, because it costs too much!

      Now, if we could just find a way of getting this "middle man", this for profit company that has somehow inserted themselves into this equation, who they don't provide Health care anyway, but there they are, right in the middle, taking as big a bite and as big a slice out of the transaction as they can, and for what? What do they do for anybody and for the equation? What do they do, except keep the costs higher and higher to the consumer, for having to pay not only the true costs of Health Care, but for the "middle man's" costs of doing business and salaries and administrative costs and office buildings and planes trains and automobiles, and of course their HEALTHY PROFIT too...

      If we could just find a way of slicing them out of the transaction, then maybe we could make Health Insurance affordable, enough to not only free up a substantial chunk of our paychecks, but to make it so even those who said screw it I can't afford it, might now say sure sign me up I like the price...

      Someone needs to come up with an idea about this...

      Let's ask 36 percent of the people, how we can get 67 percent of them on board, so that 86 percent more will have Health Insurance.
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    • Author by pags2 (June 17, 2009 11:08 am ET)
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      The conservatives fear the majority not only favors health care reform but that many of the people who are uninsured will vote for the Dems after the new law. There are about 40 million people that are uninsured so you can take an educated guess on how many millions of potential votes for elections. It could push Republicans into permanent minority status for decades to come.
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      • Author by puppienrainbows (June 17, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
           
        Republicans don't fear reform, they fear liberal reform which will reduce care and drive prices through the roof.
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      • Author by CamperDan (June 17, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
           
        Nothing you stated is true. Everyone has "health care". It is denied to no one. Health insurance on the other hand is another thing. Forty million people w/o health insurance does not equal 40 million votes. More than half those people are young and healthy and see no reason to purchase health insurance.
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    • Author by ny2nc (June 17, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
         
      Maybe the Noise Machine wants to shut down any debate because it realizes it's on the losing side.


      No way! That would be tantamount to trying to silence dissenting opinions, which is a really big issue for them right now.
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    • Author by tjmccool2284 (June 17, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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      Any question about reforming health care needs to exclude anyone over 65. To have someone on Medicare being asked to change healthcare would infer that there would be a change to those people who are completely covered.
      Any discussion needs to incorporate the facts. First, those countries with universal health care pay less than half per capita what we do. Second, in overall health outcomes, including life expectancy, those countries do better than the US. Third, over 40% of health dollars spent in the US are already spoent on universal healthcare: Medicare.
      Once the stage is set, now let's have a poll of whether people under 65 want changes in health care in the US.

      Now, of course, a large part of disseminating information like the above would be the press corps. Oh, wait, never mind, most people will never hear things like that because the press corps and the cable mouths all have health care, and good coverage too.

      Too bad about all those poor people; well, wage slaves are born to wage slaves and to die sooner than they should. Life's tough.
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      • Author by CamperDan (June 17, 2009 6:37 pm ET)
           
        You are incorrect on a handful of points or just an ideologue spouting inaccuracies to win favor. Look at Mr. Obama. Black boy raised by a single mother on food stamps. The country is full of success stories like that. Poor people do not stay poor in this country if they are desirous of another, better life and make good decisions. Everyone has health care. You mean health insurance. Never-the-less if someone needs tending to in this country, they receive it. Clearly the media is in Mr. Obamas hip pocket, of course they will get the message out for him. Additionally have you ever been to a food stamp office or any other government agency for help. It's apparent you have not. It's one stop shopping. The info is crammed into every open hand you have about who to call or see for which free (read: tax payer funded - that means working people Einstein ) program will help you most. As for people in other countries living longer, give me a break. Are you really that gullible? You think comparing the USA's 330 million to Denmark's 6 million is fair? Do you really think Zimbabwe statistics are as accurate as our own? You don't think clearly my friend. The statistics you site are more dynamic and take more thought than you have given them.
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    • Author by CamperDan (June 17, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
         
      So tell me, if it's not "socialized medicine", 1) what is it? and 2) how will I know "socialized medicine" when I see it?
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    • Author by insaneloki20024664 (June 17, 2009 6:09 pm ET)
         
      Um...the attack is because while covering the issue they are not allowing a debate. They are going to have what amounts to an infomercial for the President's plan. That isn't news, and I am shocked that MM would even have something defending it on their site.
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