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Did ABC/WaPo poll stack the deck against public plan?

June 24, 2009 8:49 am ET by Jamison Foser

ABC and the Washington Post has released a new poll that is sure to get a great deal of attention, as opponents of a public health care plan will use it to claim that the public doesn't really support such a plan.  Many reporters will, no doubt, interpret it the same way.  But the poll's actual wording appears to stack the deck against a public plan.

Here's how the Post described the poll results:

Survey questions that equate the public option approach with the popular, patient-friendly Medicare system tend to get high approval, as do ones that emphasize the prospect of more choices. But when framed with an explicit counterargument, the idea receives a more tepid response. In the new Post-ABC poll, 62 percent support the general concept, but when respondents were told that meant some insurers would go out of business, support dropped sharply, to 37 percent.

So, it sounds like the ABC/Post poll asked whether people support a public option like the "patient-friendly Medicare system," then asked if they still support a public option if it meant some insurers would go out of business, right?  The Washington Post presents this as framing the question "with an explicit counterargument."

But that isn't really what the poll did. Here's the actual wording of the two questions:

21. Would you support or oppose having the government create a new health insurance plan to compete with private health insurance plans? (IF SUPPORT) Would you rather have that plan run by a government agency, or run by an independent organization with government funding and oversight?

21a. (IF SUPPORT) What if having the government create a new health insurance plan made many private health insurers go out of business because they could not compete? In that case would you support or oppose creating a government-run health insurance plan?

Note that 21 does not actually include an argument in favor of a public plan.  It doesn't indicate that a public option could be better and cheaper than private insurance.  It does not link a public plan to "the popular, patient-friendly Medicare system," as the Post's write-up implied.  But 21a does offer an argument against the public plan -- that "many" private insurers might go out of business. 

The Post's write-up suggests that the poll shows what the American people think when presented with an argument for the public plan and an argument against it.  In fact, it merely shows what people think when they hear only an argument against it.

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    • Author by nerzog (June 24, 2009 9:30 am ET)
      2  
      Healthcare Reform is dead. The same selfish interests that killed it 16 years ago are doing it again. They're winning the propaganda war, and they most likely have enough Democratic Senators in their pockets to guarantee that nothing meaningful will be accomplished.

      Stupidism wins again.
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      • Author by CherokeeGirl (June 25, 2009 4:58 pm ET)
           
        Don't give up so soon. A few weeks ago a Public Option was "off the table"

        We've made progress. Bottom line, this isn't going to hurt anyone but the insurance companies who practice bad policy that hurts the people. The conservatives say they are for a free market, but not a FAIR one, obviously.

        Don't give up! Chin up, 38 elections are coming up! Vote your congressman out if he doesn't support the interests of the community.
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    • Author by terrapin53 (June 24, 2009 10:26 am ET)
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      Nerzog, I hope you are wrong, but I have a feelign you may be right. My company just announced they were cutting health benefits from their retirement package. That means I have no insurance until Medicare kicks in and I( am still 9 years away from that. I was hopeing to retire in 6 years, but I can't without having any medical. Right now between me and my employer (Honeywell) my insurance for me and my wife is over $8K, which I pay about $2600 of. No way I can retire and pay that kind of money for health insurance. Kinda sucks if you ask me. The sad part, Republicans don't care.
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      • Author by nerzog (June 24, 2009 10:33 am ET)
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        I'm in a similar situation. Our company is shopping for new Health Insurance, but as a group of 12, we have zero bargaining power. The employee portion of our premiums already is $650 per month and likely to go up, with reduced benefits.
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        • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (June 24, 2009 1:32 pm ET)
          1  
          I can tell you this...

          If we don't get meaningful health reform--with 60 Democratic Senators--I'm through with the Democratic party.

          I will not give them one dime. I'll be through with politics, too.

          Screw it. (This is my line in the sand.)
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          • Author by nerzog (June 24, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
            1  
            Sadly, I'm with you. The last election was probably the closest thing to a Democratic mandate we're likely to see in this generation. If they can't translate that into meaningful Healthcare legislation, then we're FUBAR.

            You'd think they would have learned something from the first time Republican Special Interests butchered Healthcare Reform, but they apparently didn't. They have also learned nothing from the propaganda shellacking they have taken for the last 15 years. Republicans still control the public discourse, contrary to their whining about a "Liberal Media".
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      • Author by historygeek001 (June 24, 2009 10:58 am ET)
        2  
        Terrapin-

        I think, unfortunately, the blame cannot be laid entirely at the Republicans' feet. Democrats aren't standing up the way they need to, either. Money is talking and Congress is listening to the cash, not to their constituents.
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        • Author by historygeek001 (June 24, 2009 10:59 am ET)
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          That was supposed to read "Nerzog & Terrapin;" sorry.
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        • Author by nerzog (June 24, 2009 11:03 am ET)
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          I absolutely agree. The Blue Dog Democrats are going to roll over and let the special interests strangle Healthcare Reform this time just like they did 16 years ago.
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      • Author by dave (June 24, 2009 11:07 am ET)
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        If you're talking about retirement, you must be in a union. In case you haven't gotten the memo, they drive the cost of what they sell up, are not competitive, and have a better than average chance of going out of business. I feel for your situation.

        IMO, repubs couldn't care less about your situation....they want to get back to the WH....its all that matters.
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        • Author by solon (June 24, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
             
          Baloney. You have always been anti labor and anti worker. If you could you would abolish the minimum wage and superglue your employees to their chairs. You care about nothing but YOUR money. My company has been union for more than 125 years. You are a liar and a hack without the slightest regard for what is true. The German and Japanese industries do pretty well and they are heavily unionized. As long as you make YOUR money you dont care beans about those who do the work. In case you didnt notice no one take you seriously about anything you say. I have whupped you over and over when you try this tripe. Our coutries economy was much STRONGER in the 50's and 60's when it was much MORE heavily unionized than it is today. You Ebenezer Srooge worshippers dont care about anything but YOUR money and when you see a working man making a good living all you can think about is that if he made minimum wage that would put more money in YOUR pocket. Thing is that isnt good for the economy which is built on consumer spending and when workers dont have enough money to spend on consumer goods the economy suffers. When your sick, selfish libertarian dream of only rich and poor comes true who is going to buy the products?
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    • Author by Philosimphy (June 24, 2009 1:11 pm ET)
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      I was on my local representative's website yesterday, John Shadegg, (republican, against reform) and there was a poll there which was worded thusly:

      Do you prefer

      a) Government Controlled health care

      or

      b) Patient Controlled health care

      ------------------------------------

      What's wrong with these options? Well, YOU HAVE TO BE A PATIENT FIRST!
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 24, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
           
        Once you become a patient, you have almost no control over your health care. The time to get control is before you need the care, and get the best deal for it before you need it and have to deal out of necessity.
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        • Author by CherokeeGirl (June 25, 2009 4:54 pm ET)
             
          Does that mean you support the Public Plan?

          Because it won't change any control between you and your doctor. They are simply offering a cookie cutter of Medicare to those who want it.

          What's wrong with that?
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      • Author by CherokeeGirl (June 25, 2009 4:56 pm ET)
           
        That's not a fair polling question. You need to vote out that representative for having misleading statements on his web site that work against your interests.

        Don't by the rhetoric from the right. Some are trying to block what 75% of American's want, and some are just poor pawns of the Corporations who buy into the fear rhetoric and get out their picket signs. These people work for the right wing scare tactics fear mongering media. Nice, huh?

        They are working for the man, against their own interests!
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    • Author by KevinWebb22 (June 25, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
         
      We don't want government run healthcare. Obama is trying to rush the most ridiculous agendas down our throats by calling everything an emergency. STOP!
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      • Author by CherokeeGirl (June 25, 2009 4:51 pm ET)
           
        okay, that's you and the other 25% who don't support the plan.

        you are outnumbered, could it be you are wrong?

        could it be that you are getting alarmed over things that you don't need to be getting alarmed about?

        Your comment has no basis in fact and is not supported by 75% of Americans.

        Try again.
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    • Author by CherokeeGirl (June 25, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
         
      I am very dissappointed with Charlie Gibson and Dianne Sawyer on last night's Health Care Reform town hall.

      They both oversensationalized the Public Option. Dianne by putting a scary emphasis on "GOVERNMENT!" and Charlie whining "But Mr. PRESident, HOW are we gonna PAY for this?"

      Shameful. I wonder how much money they got from the lobbies to spin it that way.

      But Obama's pure class. He didn't know what they were gonna do beforehand and handled it beautifully. The man's a mental NINJA with class and patience. This emphasises their "gotchas" as insincere and staged.

      SHAME ON YOU ABC! Trying to get the freeks of your stoop?
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