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National Review: Obama is a "racist" who's hiding information about his birth certficate

July 31, 2009 2:44 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

Quite a busy week for the deep thinkers at National Review. Earlier this week we noted that NRO's Jonah Goldberg thought Glenn Beck had nothing to apologize for after going on TV and saying the President of the United States has a "deep-seated hatred of white people." (It's so obvious, people.)

And now, NR's Andrew McCarthy claims Obama is concealing his true identity and that's why he won't release his 'real' birth certificate.

Yep, I'm gonna say it: Bill Buckley must be rolling over in his grave.

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    • Author by shaggles (July 31, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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      Why has conservative rhetoric become so radical lately? Should conservatives be more conservative?
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      • Author by cmiller442 (July 31, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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        It's everywhere. I even see the moronic reich-wing propaganda filling page after page on Craigslist. It's getting to be a high-fever pitch now.

        I wonder if they realize this is the same act they pulled trying to derail Barack Obama's presidential campaign. And we all saw how well that worked last time around.

        Plus, someone has to solve the Orly Taitz issue pretty soon. I'd prefer a bag over her head but I wouldn't want to steal her husband's only chance to get some.
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        • Author by magnolialover (July 31, 2009 3:52 pm ET)
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          Actually, I think it's worse now than it was during the campaign. A lot worse.
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      • Author by astonkim (August 01, 2009 4:05 am ET)
           
        There is a need to counter radical with radical.
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    • Author by magnolialover (July 31, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
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      And here I thought that these whack jobs couldn't get more out of whack than they did when Clinton was elected.

      Well, I'm here to tell you all, I was wrong about that one. These guys have turned over an entirely new leaf of "crazy" now that Obama is in office.
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    • Author by pilotshark (July 31, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
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      AWWW national review has caught the crazy train to nutville with secondary stops in loony ville.

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    • Author by peace4all (July 31, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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      ok..let me explain this to the wingnuts out there. President Obama has to hide his birth records form you. if he were to make it public then the would would see that he is really the anti-christ with a bold plan to take over the world. come on you guys, you wouldn't ask to see supermans birth certificate or even batmans.
      so you can see the reason he is hiding the information is so that he can save the day.

      <snarktastic>
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      • Author by astonkim (August 01, 2009 4:09 am ET)
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        Sounds like you don't care if he lied to you and just want your messiah to take care of you. Well, not everyone takes what they are told lying down. Some people will challenge what they are told and needs evidences before believing.
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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (July 31, 2009 4:14 pm ET)
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      What has happened to William Buckley's National Review? He must be rolling over in his grave.
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      • Author by bintx (July 31, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
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        I'm sure he is. These people are not conservatives . . . none of them.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 31, 2009 5:44 pm ET)
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          No, they are not. They are disgusting apologists who put party over country - as much of the apologists for them who post here do as well. They have ruined the Republican party and are attempting to ruin even the description of conservative for generations to come.
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      • Author by phredicles (August 01, 2009 12:22 am ET)
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        I doubt it: You're talking about the William F. Buckley who once argued that it was perfectly proper for black American citizens to be denied the right to vote simply on the basis that he expected he wouldn't like the way they'd vote.

        My point is, I think from whatever vantage point in what Mark Twain called the Eternal Tropics Buckley's watching, he's quite happy with what his little rag is up to.
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    • Author by anotheramerican (July 31, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
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      Ahhh gotta love MMFA for its distortions.

      Just because Goldberg says Beck has nothing to apologize for does not mean National Review is calling Obama a "racist".

      And Andrew McCarthy saying there are holes in Obama's life story that might be filled in with the publication of his birth certificate does not mean he is a birther.

      This from the end of McCarthy article:
      "The point has little to do with whether Obama was born in Hawaii. I’m quite confident that he was. The issue is: What is the true personal history of the man who has been sold to us based on nothing but his personal history? On that issue, Obama has demonstrated himself to be an unreliable source and, sadly, we can’t trust the media to get to the bottom of it. What’s wrong with saying, to a president who promised unprecedented “transparency”: Give us all the raw data and we’ll figure it out for ourselves?"

      Seems to me Bill Buckley would be saying the same things.
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      • Author by Brabantio (July 31, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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        Just because Goldberg says Beck has nothing to apologize for does not mean National Review is calling Obama a "racist".
        Does it mean that Goldberg is calling Obama a "racist"?
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        • Author by anotheramerican (July 31, 2009 4:28 pm ET)
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          No
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          • Author by Brabantio (July 31, 2009 4:50 pm ET)
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            Couldn't you make that defense about anything? If he believes it he has a right to say it. OK, you're a child molester. I believe it, so I can say it. Right?

            Either it's reasonable or it isn't. If it's not reasonable, then he should apologize whether he personally believes it or not. If it is, then that would be calling Obama a racist.

            Tell me how you see things differently, exactly.
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      • Author by anotheramerican (July 31, 2009 4:28 pm ET)
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        ps. It is readily apparent from the article written by Goldberg that he is only defending Beck's right to say those things. Goldberg is not saying he agrees with the words Beck used.

        from Goldberg, "Okay, so now I've watched it. I agree with a lot of it. But I don't think the words "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture" were all that well chosen (which is clear since he later contradicts himself by "I'm not saying he doesn't like white people"), but on reflection — and viewing — I don't think he has to retract anything. If he believes it, he's free to say it. Some clarification would be good though."

        MMFA is intentionally distorting the context and meaning of both Goldberg and McCarthy in order to try and marginalize NR. Sadly, MMFA only diminishes itself by doing so.
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        • Author by bintx (July 31, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
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          Sorry, but Beck doesn't have a "right" to say those things. His company could shut him up immediately if they had any real concern for this country. They don't and neither does Beck.

          As for Goldberg, I'll just consider the source . . . UGH! All I can think of are Jonah and his AWFUL mother . . . UGH!
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          • Author by astonkim (August 01, 2009 4:12 am ET)
               
            Does freedom of speec mean anything to you? He absolutely has a right to say whatever he wants and he said it with intend.
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        • Author by The_Cat (July 31, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
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          anotheramerican:

          Slander: the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation.

          Libel: written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression.

          Clearly, you are not allowed to say anything unpleasant that comes to your mind about someone else, especially in a national forum such as an evening news program. There was no basis for Beck's statements whatsoever, and I must disagree that he can say whatever he wants to just because he claims to 'believe it.'
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        • Author by Truth Crusader (July 31, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
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          My problem is this: "If he believes it, he has a right to say it."

          I don't believe for a minute that Glenn Beck believes it. But that won't stop him from saying it simply because he knows it will get him a firestorm of coverage and attention. (And, of course, it's worked.)

          It's pure sensationalism. And it's highly, grossly irresponsible. And I don't even think it's about chasing the almighty buck any more. I think it's about chasing notoriety. He's an attention ____, pure and simple.
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          • Author by astonkim (August 01, 2009 4:15 am ET)
               
            No, some people care about the constitution and where the US is heading.

            While I don't believe in God, I support Glenn's 9 principle:

            His nine principles are:

            1. America Is Good
            2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life
            3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday
            4. The family is sacred
            5. If you break the law you pay the penalty
            6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results
            7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with whom I want to
            8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion
            9. The government works for me — I do not answer to them, they answer to me

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      • Author by bintx (July 31, 2009 4:29 pm ET)
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        Obama has produced his birth certificate, it has been verified as being authentic by the state in which he was born. His history has been reported and VERIFIED in his own autobiography.

        The premise of this article and your defense of this article has no basis in fact. In other words, you are "just makin' it up."
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        • Author by anotheramerican (July 31, 2009 4:43 pm ET)
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          bintx,

          While I believe Obama is a natural born U.S. Citizen, i must note you are clearly mistaken. Obviously you have not read the links provided.

          The following snippets are from McCarthy's article.

          What Obama has made available is a Hawaiian “certification of live birth” (emphasis added), not a birth certificate (or what the state calls a “certificate of live birth”). The certification form provides a short, very general attestation of a few facts about the person’s birth: This certification is not the same thing as the certificate.

          To the contrary, “the state records” are the certificate. They are used to generate the more limited birth certifications on request.
          The state records are far more detailed.

          What’s been requested is a primary document that is materially more detailed than what Obama has thus far provided.
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          • Author by harley (July 31, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
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            YOU are clearly mistaken....as usual. A certificate of live birth is a legal birth certificate in the state of Hawaii and accepted as a certificate of birth in the US. There is no other form that Obama or any other Hawaiian citizen can request. Again, you are clearly mistaken AND obtuse for quoting the NRO as fact.
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            • Author by astonkim (August 01, 2009 4:27 am ET)
                 
              http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100451
              "In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green," the qualifications state. "This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

              Only the information on the original birth certificate, 'the original Certificate of Live Birth,' can demonstrate to the people of the United States whether there is convincing evidence.
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          • Author by harley (July 31, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
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            This certification is not the same thing as the certificate.
            Actually it is. Again, YOU are clearly mistaken.
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          • Author by harley (July 31, 2009 5:03 pm ET)
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            been requested is a primary document that is materially more detailed than what Obama has thus far provided.
            There is no other document that can requested. Again, YOU are clearly mistaken and you look like a fool.
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          • Author by The_Cat (July 31, 2009 5:23 pm ET)
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            anotheramerican:

            Please explain how a certificate of live birth is sufficient to procure a passport, a driver's license, and register to vote, but not sufficient to prove citizenship?
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          • Author by Disputed Zone (July 31, 2009 11:01 pm ET)
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            First, McCarthy is wrong:

            The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii.

            Second, after much speculation and innuendo, McCarthy finally says that the "certificate" would reveal interesting facts about Obama's life: the delivering doctor, how his parents described themselves, which of them provided the pertinent information, etc.

            BFD.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (July 31, 2009 5:46 pm ET)
           
        Clearly you have no understanding or respect for the work of William Buckley. Don't worry - neither do the rest of your party.
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    • Author by bintx (July 31, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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      These people aren't conservatives. They are hate-filled racists who care more about a stupid POLITICAL party than they do their country. I'm SICK of this nonsense.

      What is WRONG with these people?
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      • Author by anotheramerican (July 31, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
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        Hahaha.. Your post proves you are more of hater than those whom you complain against.
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        • Author by harley (July 31, 2009 5:01 pm ET)
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          Your posts proves you are obtuse, inbred, terrorist hick. HAHAHAHA
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        • Author by grasshopper (July 31, 2009 5:48 pm ET)
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          I’m actually glad that Beck, Dobbs and the rest of these crackpots are finally coming out of their shells. I hope the latest slew of wild off-the-cuff statements only lure more politicians, commentators and bloggers like anotherALLamerican out of their holes so the rest of us real hard working, compassionate, empathetic, and all-inclusive AMERICAN’S can focus on what really matters towards strengthening our weathering American fabric. It’s a trip how catz like anotherALLamerican and the likes always seem to focus on the divisive non-productive aspects of race relations in America and never work towards finally having and real racial dialogue for once. Keep-on keepin’ on lil homie. The NR makes their numbers by fanning these pointless racial flames and throwing their readership more red meat.
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          • Author by astonkim (August 01, 2009 4:35 am ET)
               
            The crackpots are the people who can't understand why people are questioning their government. Noone understands Obama except from his OWN autobiography (which could be all true or not all true).

            If Obama isn't eligible to be President, nothing he does would be valid. As an American, it is your duty to keep the government in check. There is nothing racial about asking for the President to show proof that he is eligible to be the POTUS. Obama is fanning the "conspiracy" be not allowing the release of his Long Form Certificate of Live Birth and all records under seal.

            People who are attacking blindly are basically signing on the dotted line without looking. No everyone is so careless.
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    • Author by bilbo_dies (July 31, 2009 7:16 pm ET)
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      Man, this just make my head hurt.
      Certification, certificate, certified (nuts I think)
      Shadowy connections as a "community organizer"
      Blah, blah, blah, blah.

      If McCain had been elected president I think you could raise most of these same issues, in SPADES!!! But; where would the outrage be? More than likely there wouldn't be. You wouldn't want to give any of those left wing liberal crazies any visibility in the media, now would you.

      Can we just find a REAL issue to work on.
      You know, the economy, health care, world peace.
      Pick one, pick them all. I have to think that any debate on any of these would be more constructive that this twaddle.

      BTW Apologies to all the crazy people that this type of activity would put out of business.
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      • Author by astonkim (August 01, 2009 4:38 am ET)
           
        As mentioned earlier. This could be a Constitutional crisis if he is proven to be ineligible. People who are attacking blindly are basically signing on the dotted line without looking. No everyone is so careless and wants to be through.

        This is a real issue that could make all decision by this president invalid. Isn't that issue enough?
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    • Author by Pinhead (July 31, 2009 7:16 pm ET)
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      I never seen rats jump on a sinking ship before. They should just let Captain Dobbs go down with the ship.
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      • Author by astonkim (August 01, 2009 4:39 am ET)
           
        Lou and birther are slightly different. Birther believe that Obama isn't a Natural Born Citizen. Lou believe Obama is a citizen but need Obama to honor his "transparency" policy by unsealing his sealed records.
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    • Author by worrierking (July 31, 2009 7:44 pm ET)
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      FYI

      The poster defending the racists has his own history.


      by anotheramerican (April 30, 2009 2:53 pm ET) 1
      rox,

      The part you are missing, is that this was a staged media event by the White House and forced the networks to give up $20+ million in advertising revenue so our NOTUS could continue campaigning.

      They had planned a flyover by Air Force One but cancelled it for some reason...

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      • Author by bilbo_dies (July 31, 2009 7:57 pm ET)
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        Give him a break. He is an out of work american who has to make a living somehow. Of course, I believe he did remove all the mirrors from his house so that he didn't have to look himself in the eye.
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    • Author by webprogrammer (July 31, 2009 8:52 pm ET)
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      "These people are not conservatives." While I understand the sentiment, I disagree that these people are not conservatives. I think what you actually mean is, "These people are not what conservatives USED to be." They most certainly ARE what conservatives have become.

      If you doubt that, ask yourself why those conservatives who claim to want to be taken seriously are utterly unwilling to stand up to the liars and hate and fear mongers who speak for them. I suspect it's because they know as well as the rest of us that the liars are now officially the "real conservatives," and the ones who wish they could be taken seriously are permanently sidelined, unable to even be heard over the screeching of those they gave their ideology to.

      They created a monster, they turned it loose, and now they fear it so much that they remain silent no matter how much havoc the monster wreaks. Same thing happened to Victor Frankenstein. He was a doctor and a respected researcher. And then he created the monster. And the next thing he knew, when people heard "Frankenstein," they didn't think of the doctor, they thought of the monster. Creating that monster was what defined the doctor. And creating the liars and bigots and hatemongers is what defines modern conservatism. When you hear "conservative," who do think of? Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Dobbs, Coulter, and the only time William Buckley crosses your mind is in the context of rolling over in his grave at what conservatism has become. Once he created that monster, poor old Victor could never again hope to be anything more than the guy who created the monster. Those conservatives who want to be taken seriously remained silent while their monster was taking over their identities, and now it defines them. Just deserts if you ask me.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (August 01, 2009 2:30 pm ET)
           
        I agree with most of what you say. However, they originally lost their way when they made their pact with the religious right. Goldwater and his ilk would never have done such a thing as invite Falwell and his nutjobs to become a powerful wing of the Republican party. And, as we wonder why today's John Danforths (and the like) do not step forward to tell these people that they do not speak for him it is probably because today these people would not call themselves Republicans. They would be embarassed to be a part of any party that claims Beck, Limbaugh, O'Reilly as their talking head leaders. They have already left the party in shame.
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    • Author by Disputed Zone (July 31, 2009 10:39 pm ET)
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      McCarthy references a National Review editorial that does a good job rebuking the birthers.

      The fundamental fiction is that Obama has refused to release his "real" birth certificate. This is untrue. The document that Obama has made available is the document that Hawaiian authorities issue when they are asked for a birth certificate. There is no secondary document cloaked in darkness, only the state records that are used to generate birth certificates when they are requested.

      After acknowledging that he previewed that editorial before publication, was asked to comment, and didn't object, McCarthy proceeds to undermine it's central point by arguing that there is a more "real" birth certificate that should be released.

      McCarthy is a weasel, and the National Review is a den of weasels, pushing back against the rightwing nuts with one hand while stroking them with other.
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    • Author by cavs123 (August 01, 2009 1:58 am ET)
         
      Lets see the birth certificate of John McCain and Sarah Palin, and also the ones of the the leaders of the so called "birthers." I bet it would lead to some surprising revelations about their backgrounds.
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    • Author by rtdavis11200 (August 01, 2009 7:37 am ET)
         
      Can the readers of this blog imagine if in 2000 that Bush was a black man and the state in question to give him the white house was run by his brother a black governor? Bush would never have had the chance to destroy this great country for eight years.

      Bush if he were black would never have been declared the winner of that election and honest Americans know it.

      Obama endured a tough primary to defeat Clinton and all the attacks by the right during the general election battle.

      The birthers are still in denial.

      These racist rednecks in the birther movement better be monitored closely by are goverment. They will never concede a black man leading our country.

      They are dangerous.
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