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Strike two for WND's birth certificate scoop

August 03, 2009 5:21 pm ET by Jeremy Schulman

Early this morning, we (along with others) noted that the purported Obama birth certificate posted by WorldNetDaily says that it was issued by the "Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964, but that Kenya did not become a republic until December 12, 1964.

Well, here's WND's response:

Media Matters wrote, "Sorry, WorldNetDaily: Kenya wasn't a republic until Dec. 1964."

But Kenya's official independence was in 1963, and any number of labels could have been applied to government documents during that time period.

At Ameriborn Constitution News, the researcher noted that the independence process for the nation actually started taking as early as 1957, when there were the first direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council.

"Kenya became an Independent Republic, December 12, 1963, which gives more [credibility] that this is a true document," the website stated.

The 1963 independence is corroborated by several other information sources, including the online African History.

Even the People Daily news agency cited, on Dec. 12, 2005, the "42nd independence anniversary" in Nairobi. "The country gained independence from Britain on Dec. 12, 1963," the report said.

An online copy of the Kenya Constitution, "adopted in 1963, amended in 1999," states: "CHAPTER I - THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, Article 1, Kenya is a sovereign Republic. Article 1A, The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state..."

It was in November 1964 when the region voluntarily became a one-party state, according to an online source.

There are a couple points to be made here.

First, WND's focus on the date of Kenyan independence is a straw man. No one is disputing that Kenya gained independence in 1963. But that isn't the same as when it became a republic. Indeed, the December 12, 1964, Washington Post article we posted reported: "Kenya became the newest republic within the British Commonwealth at midnight. ... Kenya became independent in December, 1963 and has now shed its dominion status, while remaining in the Commonwealth" [emphasis added].

Second, on the issue of Kenya's constitution "adopted in 1963," here's how the CIA's World Factbook describes Kenya's constitutional history:

Constitution:

12 December 1963; amended as a republic 1964; reissued with amendments 1979, 1982, 1986, 1988, 1991, 1992, 1997, 2001; note - a new draft constitution was defeated by popular referendum in 2005

That's consistent with news reporting from the time. An October 27, 1963, Washington Post article describing Kenya's initial constitution reported that "Britain ... has left a loophole insuring that the whole constitution will be rewritten in a year or so. The country is being given dominion (monarchial) status but its leaders have said that they intend to make it a republic."

A year later, the Post reported in a November 11, 1964, article: "Within a few hours after" Kenyan opposition leader Ronald Ngala's November 10, 1964, announcement that he was dissolving his party, "the Senate unanimously passed the second and third readings of a bill to give the country a republican constitution to take effect Dec. 12." According to the Post, that vote "eliminated any need for a referendum to decide whether the country should become a republic." The Post added that "Ngala's party has been increasingly weakened recently by a rash of desertions during consideration of the government's bill to make Kenya a republic Dec. 12."

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    • Author by shaggles (August 03, 2009 5:36 pm ET)
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      Also what good is a Registration of Birth (is that the same a birth cert?) issued 3 years after Obama was born?
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      • Author by smarshall1432997 (August 03, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
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        Who cares? Who are these people to "demand" so much news coverage over what other Officials have claimed to be "TRUE"? We should ALL take note of how the Birthers (Republicans/Conservatives) are deciding on what documents are true, or which one's are false? Doesn't America have State Officials for this?

        So these Birthers say which documents are true and which are false, huh? Oh, we did "NOT" know that the Birthers have that much power in deciding who's American by birth. Hmmm, when was this American Law passed? "NEVER, NEVER, NEVER"!!!! Just plain crazy indeed.
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        • Author by nceeno (August 03, 2009 6:30 pm ET)
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          Are you stupid or just acting that way? The Constitution states that to be President, you have to be a natural born citizen. No one is questioning whether Obama is American or not.
          If he is a natural born citizen, have him produce his birth certificate, something everyone got, even in 1961. Don't push that Certificate of Live Birth. Those are a dime a dozen and something that was given to newborns who came from outside the US...kinda telling isn't it?
          If you want to shut up those that think Obama is not a citizen, show some proof. Until that happens, don't think we're going away.
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          • Author by dmhack (August 03, 2009 8:28 pm ET)
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            Why? What's the point? Will a piece of paper really make a difference? They'll cry forgery.

            What will knowing the doctor's name do to satisfy these people? The delivery doctor may very well be dead. Even if he's still alive and backs up the birth, do you seriously think you or your friends will say... "okay, thanks. Guess we had it wrong." Nope, that's just not going to happen.

            The only thing that the birthers really want is for Obama to be white. And that too is not going to happen.
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            • Author by open_mind (August 03, 2009 11:26 pm ET)
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              According to this report, the Doctor's name was Dr. West and he died a while ago. If you ask a birther, I bet they can prove Obama killed him with his own hands - you know - like OJ.
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            • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (August 04, 2009 12:08 am ET)
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              Right -- no evidence will satisfy conspiracy theorists whose motivation isn't a search for the truth, but opposition to a political candidate they couldn't defeat at the polls.
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          • Author by political_left-religious_right (August 03, 2009 8:30 pm ET)
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            Until that happens, don't think we're going away.

            To be honest, I rather hope you don't go away. That you and the other birthers are totally immune to rational thought is firmly established, so now we have to figure out what happens from here. First of all, you will fail in your objective to overrule the will of the people last November--Obama was elected handily, and will stay in office. Next, you are already causing a split in your party, which we are seeing as the media figures line up on one side or the other:

            Birthers--Dobbs, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Liddy, misc. other nutcases

            Earthers, as in "those who live on"--everyone else, including Ann Coulter (!)

            (Yes, I know that Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity aren't as entrenched in the movement as is Dobbs, but unlike the Earthers, they won't denounce it, either.)

            The Republican Party is already fractious and marginalized, and possibly beyond recovery. Frankly, its only hope is to shed the birthers and other neocons, lay hold of its core values (which I think are perfectly valid), try to re-claim some of middle ground, and slowly grow into a major party again. It won't happen by 2012, and probably not by 2016, but it may be back by 2020.

            So again, I'd like to see you stick around, partly because you will help guarantee Democratic victories for years to come, but also because the real Republicans will, after getting rid of people like you, become a respectable political party again.
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            • Author by beast (August 04, 2009 12:19 am ET)
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              First of all, you will fail in your objective to overrule the will of the people last November-


              I know you meant to say "the will of 53 per cent of the people."
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              • Author by bintx (August 04, 2009 11:01 am ET)
                   
                Well, you know GWB "won" in 2000 with 47.87% of the vote . . . Gore had 48.38% of the vote. In 2004, GWB had 51% . . . the smallest plurality of any modern president.

                So, was GWB legitimate? Did his presidency represent the "will of the people"? Just curious.
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              • Author by political_left-religious_right (August 04, 2009 11:55 am ET)
                   
                I know what I meant. If you honestly think that "the will of the people" means 100%, then good luck ever getting that.
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            • Author by political_left-religious_right (August 04, 2009 11:56 am ET)
                 
              This will have to be amended, as now Beck has come out and denounced the Birthers. Good for him (bad for Dobbs).
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          • Author by JohnDe718 (August 03, 2009 10:07 pm ET)
               
            Dear nceeno:

            Just so you know, I am a citizen of the U.S.A, born in California, and at the top of my legal document, I'm holding in my hand it says: "Certificate of Live Birth." This was issued by the County of Los Angeles. I have a hunch yours says the same thing. Maybe we're all not citizens. Do you have anything better to do then to spend time on this charade.
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            • Author by jcalton (August 04, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
                 
              Better put that argument on hold. I'm pretty sure conservatives already don't feel that Californians are Americans.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (August 03, 2009 10:39 pm ET)
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            Don't push that Certificate of Live Birth.

            Are you just pretending to be that ignorant? If someone who was born in Hawaii goes to the Department of Health in Hawaii and says, "I need a copy of my birth certificate", they will give that person exactly what they gave Barack Obama. The original is kept on file. And, BTW, the certificate that Hawaii gives to its residents who were born out of state does NOT say the person was born in Hawaii...that's what you are implying. When you finally get promoted to the sixth grade let us know...
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          • Author by Handsome Pete (August 03, 2009 10:49 pm ET)
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            I don't have my birth certificate. Just my lousy "dime a dozen" certificate of live birth. However, I think YOU would probably believe I was born in this country, simply due to the lack of melanin content in my skin.
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            • Author by beast (August 04, 2009 12:23 am ET)
                 
              You sound like the bigger racist to me. You are assuming that whoever you are responding to is white, simply based on his viewpoint. What kind of profiling is that?
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          • Author by open_mind (August 03, 2009 11:16 pm ET)
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            No one is questioning whether Obama is American or not.


            That is EXACTLY what they are doing. If the birthers say that Obama was born in Kenya and we KNOW Obama was not naturalized, Obama would have no basis in even being a citizen. What planet are you on?
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          • Author by John Paradox (August 04, 2009 4:37 am ET)
               
            So COLBs are available in Cracker Jack boxes?
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          • Author by PurpleState (August 04, 2009 9:04 am ET)
               
            No, that's not how this works. We're not playing your game. There are much bigger issues out there than to try and fabricate a false story like this with a false Kenyan certificate.

            You Birthers are all fake Americans.
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          • Author by bintx (August 04, 2009 10:55 am ET)
               
            "Don't push that Certificate of Live Birth. Those are a dime a dozen and something that was given to newborns who came from outside the US...kinda telling isn't it?"

            The fact that you used this as an argument is REALLY telling. You have NO idea what you are talking about and are just repeating something you read which was INCORRECT. If I ordered a certified copy of my birth certificate from my state . . . I'd get one of those "Certificates of Live Birth," and it wouldn't cost a dime, it'd cost $20. I was born in the good old United States as were my children who would get the EXACT SAME "Certificate of Live Birth," that I would.

            The law that you think you are quoting wasn't enacted until 20 years after Obama's birth . . . if a person from somewhere else wants one of these COLBs and meets the requirements of the State of Hawaii to get one, it will show on the face of the document where that person was actually born. Mr. Obama's shows that he was born in the State of Hawaii . . . two State Health Department announcements published at the time of Mr. Obama's birth 48 years ago show that he was born in the State of Hawaii. The State of Hawaii and it's REPUBLICAN governor have verified that he was, indeed, born in the State of Hawaii.

            Yep, your statement above is very telling, but I don't think you really want to know what it's telling folks . . . eh, what the heck, it's telling me that you aren't very bright.
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    • Author by mr. l (August 03, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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      Jeremy! As a born again birther, I'm going to have to ask you to stop using all these so called *facts* you oh-so-conveniently claim to have.
      I don't believe you- You claim to have a CIA book!?!? Which CIA person gave it to you, huh? What? No response to that? Thought so... now I'm off to get that born-in-america-and-he-can-prove-it McCain into the White House
      (p.s. Palin quit because she knew McCain would be reinstated quite quickly due the diligence and hard effort from WND. She was being prudent!)
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      • Author by smarshall1432997 (August 03, 2009 5:53 pm ET)
           
        Funny, thanks for the laughs.
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      • Author by subs3441 (August 03, 2009 10:23 pm ET)
           
        Born Again.

        Here is the link to the CIA book. If you want to have an argument, please, unlike the rest of the birthers, make sure your facts are in place. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ke.html Look under Constitution. When you're done reading that, you might want to look at our own.
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (August 03, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
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      Can we Americans just see their, the Birthers, long formed birth certificates? What about those Republicans of the House and Senate too, can we see their long formed birth certificates to prove they are true natural born citizens of America? What about the other Republican Politicians in local and state governments, may we Americans see their long formed birth certificates to prove their true natural born citizens of America? Maybe Democrats and Independents should request the birth certificates of the Republican Presidents for Reagan and both Bushes? Let's get these Republicans to really prove who they are. These Birtheres may really be on to something and we should prove that Lou Dobbs was born in America too? Let's get to it. Hmmm. LOL
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      • Author by infidel (August 03, 2009 10:02 pm ET)
           
        smarshall,
        Yes! Good idea! But, let us see all elected officials (repubs & dems)long-form birth certificates! I suggest we start at the top of the list......with Obama's!
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    • Author by williamlanders7377 (August 03, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
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      They used The Republic of Kenya on offical documents knowing they were forming into a commonweath.
      June 1st 1964, they offically swore into office the first President of The Republic of Kenya, after changing the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya June 1st 1964.
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    • Author by mustardman (August 03, 2009 5:59 pm ET)
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      email this to"
      letters@worldnetdaily.com;news@worldnetdaily.com;corrections@worldnetdaily.com

      AFTERBIRTHERS GOT PUNKED AFTERBIRTHERS GOT PUNKED AFTERBIRTHERS GOT PUNKED AFTERBIRTHERS GOT PUNKED AFTERBIRTHERS GOT PUNKED AFTERBIRTHERS GOT PUNKED AFTERBIRTHERS GOT PUNKED AFTERBIRTHERS GOT PUNKED AFTERBIRTHERS GOT PUNKED AFTERBIRTHERS GOT PUNKED
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    • Author by ufleirx (August 03, 2009 6:11 pm ET)
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      So WND is making the argument that Keyna was a republic the moment it became independent?

      Okay, quick question -- "What year did the USA become a republic?" I am betting they are thinking 1776. No, wait 1781. Wait, wait I know, I know it is -- "Pat can I phone a friend?"
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      • Author by jediknight65 (August 03, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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        we declared independence in 1776. our the actual war came to an end in 1781. the treaty of paris recognizing our independence by britain was signed in 1783. the constitutional convention was held in 1786 and it was ratified by 1788, in time for the election to be held that november and george washington sworn in on march of 1789
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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (August 03, 2009 7:28 pm ET)
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      So, Dr. Taitz won't say where this birth certificate came from because the source fears for his life? Wouldn't he be safer if we all knew who he was? I mean, if he winds up dead, that helps their cause, so this blackops Obama cabal wouldn't assassinate him, would they?

      I'm kinda curious why this document didn't turn up before the election. I guess it was long-forgotten in someone's attic in Kalamazoo, Michigan.

      This really doesn't pass the BS test at all.
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      • Author by Vincenzo (August 03, 2009 8:56 pm ET)
           
        Just check the Fedex/Kinko's closest to her dental/law/real estate practice office. The kid who failed history in high school was the one.
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      • Author by wookie (August 03, 2009 11:02 pm ET)
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        Its the same stuff they pulled with Clinton and how he was supposedly having people killed. The wingnuts are supposedly too scared to produced actual evidence of anything.
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    • Author by katherinef (August 03, 2009 8:36 pm ET)
         
      So, one of the main issues these idiots are upset about is the word use of "live birth" on his birth certificate. I just checked mine the other day, and I was born in California...and it says "live birth." It gave me quite the chuckle because I guess I can't run for president now. Darn. I'M AN ILLEGAL! QUICK! Call Lou Dobbs!
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    • Author by paul8616 (August 03, 2009 10:29 pm ET)
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      There's a phenomenon. It's called 'trolling.' Maybe you've heard of it.

      The birther movement is a troll. Someone has forged documents to keep the troll going, not to settle the issue.

      This is the Republican party platform: Obama might have been born in Kenya. That's it. They'll keep it alive as long as they can.
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    • Author by wookie (August 03, 2009 11:09 pm ET)
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      Turns out Obama was born in Austrailia! Source-of-Forged-Kenyan-Birth-Certificate.

      Next time put in a little effort. And don't rely on coorespondence school lawyer/dentists.
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    • Author by rbj82 (August 04, 2009 11:59 am ET)
         
      Why don't they just compare this alleged birth certificate to another from the same time period? The nomenclature is either consistent or it isn't. It seems these historical debates are clouding a very easy solution to the problem.
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    • Author by jcalton (August 04, 2009 2:31 pm ET)
         
      If only everything the birthers claimed was true.
      Then they'd finally have exactly what they wanted: Joe Biden as President and Hilary Clinton as Vice President, poised to run in 2012 or 2016.

      Makes sense to me. Cons, neo-cons, and republicans just love Hilary. This plot all makes sense to me now.

      P.S. The Constitution does not forbid Bill Clinton from being V.P., does it? Even better, I know they don't blame him for anything bad that's happened in our country.

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    • Author by antiracist (August 04, 2009 6:02 pm ET)
         
      This is all nonsense even if true. Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona Territory, which like other colonies, belonged to but was not part of the United States (as the Supreme Court described Puerto Rico) because Arizona wasn't granted statehood until it had enough "white" people (as opposed to the majority Mexicano/indigenous population when it was captured from Mexico and for decades afterward). John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone (another colonial possession not part of the US). Any child of a US citizen born outside the US is a "natural born US citizen" as long as the birth is registered with the US consulate or other appropriate US agency (maybe the colonial governor in a US possession). Franklin Roosevelt's son was so born and registered outside the US and nobody doubted that he was eligible to run if he so chose. I believe George Romney (and maybe Mitt, too) were born outside the US physically. Not to mentiion of course that Washington, Adams, Jefferson, et al were none of them born in "the Unites states of America," which didn't exist until they founded it as adults. I forget who the first president was actually to be born in the United States.

      This is clearly about white supremacist notions that challenge the 14th Amendment and want to return to a racial definition of citizenship. Better to challenge the whole notion of the imperial presidency.
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