Strike two for WND's birth certificate scoop
August 03, 2009 5:21 pm ET by Jeremy Schulman
Early this morning, we (along with others) noted that the purported Obama birth certificate posted by WorldNetDaily says that it was issued by the "Republic of Kenya" on February 17, 1964, but that Kenya did not become a republic until December 12, 1964.
Well, here's WND's response:
Media Matters wrote, "Sorry, WorldNetDaily: Kenya wasn't a republic until Dec. 1964."
But Kenya's official independence was in 1963, and any number of labels could have been applied to government documents during that time period.
At Ameriborn Constitution News, the researcher noted that the independence process for the nation actually started taking as early as 1957, when there were the first direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council.
"Kenya became an Independent Republic, December 12, 1963, which gives more [credibility] that this is a true document," the website stated.
The 1963 independence is corroborated by several other information sources, including the online African History.
Even the People Daily news agency cited, on Dec. 12, 2005, the "42nd independence anniversary" in Nairobi. "The country gained independence from Britain on Dec. 12, 1963," the report said.
An online copy of the Kenya Constitution, "adopted in 1963, amended in 1999," states: "CHAPTER I - THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA, Article 1, Kenya is a sovereign Republic. Article 1A, The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state..."
It was in November 1964 when the region voluntarily became a one-party state, according to an online source.
There are a couple points to be made here.
First, WND's focus on the date of Kenyan independence is a straw man. No one is disputing that Kenya gained independence in 1963. But that isn't the same as when it became a republic. Indeed, the December 12, 1964, Washington Post article we posted reported: "Kenya became the newest republic within the British Commonwealth at midnight. ... Kenya became independent in December, 1963 and has now shed its dominion status, while remaining in the Commonwealth" [emphasis added].
Second, on the issue of Kenya's constitution "adopted in 1963," here's how the CIA's World Factbook describes Kenya's constitutional history:
Constitution:
12 December 1963; amended as a republic 1964; reissued with amendments 1979, 1982, 1986, 1988, 1991, 1992, 1997, 2001; note - a new draft constitution was defeated by popular referendum in 2005
That's consistent with news reporting from the time. An October 27, 1963, Washington Post article describing Kenya's initial constitution reported that "Britain ... has left a loophole insuring that the whole constitution will be rewritten in a year or so. The country is being given dominion (monarchial) status but its leaders have said that they intend to make it a republic."
A year later, the Post reported in a November 11, 1964, article: "Within a few hours after" Kenyan opposition leader Ronald Ngala's November 10, 1964, announcement that he was dissolving his party, "the Senate unanimously passed the second and third readings of a bill to give the country a republican constitution to take effect Dec. 12." According to the Post, that vote "eliminated any need for a referendum to decide whether the country should become a republic." The Post added that "Ngala's party has been increasingly weakened recently by a rash of desertions during consideration of the government's bill to make Kenya a republic Dec. 12."











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So these Birthers say which documents are true and which are false, huh? Oh, we did "NOT" know that the Birthers have that much power in deciding who's American by birth. Hmmm, when was this American Law passed? "NEVER, NEVER, NEVER"!!!! Just plain crazy indeed.
If he is a natural born citizen, have him produce his birth certificate, something everyone got, even in 1961. Don't push that Certificate of Live Birth. Those are a dime a dozen and something that was given to newborns who came from outside the US...kinda telling isn't it?
If you want to shut up those that think Obama is not a citizen, show some proof. Until that happens, don't think we're going away.
What will knowing the doctor's name do to satisfy these people? The delivery doctor may very well be dead. Even if he's still alive and backs up the birth, do you seriously think you or your friends will say... "okay, thanks. Guess we had it wrong." Nope, that's just not going to happen.
The only thing that the birthers really want is for Obama to be white. And that too is not going to happen.
To be honest, I rather hope you don't go away. That you and the other birthers are totally immune to rational thought is firmly established, so now we have to figure out what happens from here. First of all, you will fail in your objective to overrule the will of the people last November--Obama was elected handily, and will stay in office. Next, you are already causing a split in your party, which we are seeing as the media figures line up on one side or the other:
Birthers--Dobbs, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Liddy, misc. other nutcases
Earthers, as in "those who live on"--everyone else, including Ann Coulter (!)
(Yes, I know that Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity aren't as entrenched in the movement as is Dobbs, but unlike the Earthers, they won't denounce it, either.)
The Republican Party is already fractious and marginalized, and possibly beyond recovery. Frankly, its only hope is to shed the birthers and other neocons, lay hold of its core values (which I think are perfectly valid), try to re-claim some of middle ground, and slowly grow into a major party again. It won't happen by 2012, and probably not by 2016, but it may be back by 2020.
So again, I'd like to see you stick around, partly because you will help guarantee Democratic victories for years to come, but also because the real Republicans will, after getting rid of people like you, become a respectable political party again.
I know you meant to say "the will of 53 per cent of the people."
So, was GWB legitimate? Did his presidency represent the "will of the people"? Just curious.
Just so you know, I am a citizen of the U.S.A, born in California, and at the top of my legal document, I'm holding in my hand it says: "Certificate of Live Birth." This was issued by the County of Los Angeles. I have a hunch yours says the same thing. Maybe we're all not citizens. Do you have anything better to do then to spend time on this charade.
Are you just pretending to be that ignorant? If someone who was born in Hawaii goes to the Department of Health in Hawaii and says, "I need a copy of my birth certificate", they will give that person exactly what they gave Barack Obama. The original is kept on file. And, BTW, the certificate that Hawaii gives to its residents who were born out of state does NOT say the person was born in Hawaii...that's what you are implying. When you finally get promoted to the sixth grade let us know...
That is EXACTLY what they are doing. If the birthers say that Obama was born in Kenya and we KNOW Obama was not naturalized, Obama would have no basis in even being a citizen. What planet are you on?
You Birthers are all fake Americans.
The fact that you used this as an argument is REALLY telling. You have NO idea what you are talking about and are just repeating something you read which was INCORRECT. If I ordered a certified copy of my birth certificate from my state . . . I'd get one of those "Certificates of Live Birth," and it wouldn't cost a dime, it'd cost $20. I was born in the good old United States as were my children who would get the EXACT SAME "Certificate of Live Birth," that I would.
The law that you think you are quoting wasn't enacted until 20 years after Obama's birth . . . if a person from somewhere else wants one of these COLBs and meets the requirements of the State of Hawaii to get one, it will show on the face of the document where that person was actually born. Mr. Obama's shows that he was born in the State of Hawaii . . . two State Health Department announcements published at the time of Mr. Obama's birth 48 years ago show that he was born in the State of Hawaii. The State of Hawaii and it's REPUBLICAN governor have verified that he was, indeed, born in the State of Hawaii.
Yep, your statement above is very telling, but I don't think you really want to know what it's telling folks . . . eh, what the heck, it's telling me that you aren't very bright.
I don't believe you- You claim to have a CIA book!?!? Which CIA person gave it to you, huh? What? No response to that? Thought so... now I'm off to get that born-in-america-and-he-can-prove-it McCain into the White House
(p.s. Palin quit because she knew McCain would be reinstated quite quickly due the diligence and hard effort from WND. She was being prudent!)
Here is the link to the CIA book. If you want to have an argument, please, unlike the rest of the birthers, make sure your facts are in place. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ke.html Look under Constitution. When you're done reading that, you might want to look at our own.
Yes! Good idea! But, let us see all elected officials (repubs & dems)long-form birth certificates! I suggest we start at the top of the list......with Obama's!
June 1st 1964, they offically swore into office the first President of The Republic of Kenya, after changing the Constitution of the Republic of Kenya June 1st 1964.
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Okay, quick question -- "What year did the USA become a republic?" I am betting they are thinking 1776. No, wait 1781. Wait, wait I know, I know it is -- "Pat can I phone a friend?"
I'm kinda curious why this document didn't turn up before the election. I guess it was long-forgotten in someone's attic in Kalamazoo, Michigan.
This really doesn't pass the BS test at all.
The birther movement is a troll. Someone has forged documents to keep the troll going, not to settle the issue.
This is the Republican party platform: Obama might have been born in Kenya. That's it. They'll keep it alive as long as they can.
Next time put in a little effort. And don't rely on coorespondence school lawyer/dentists.
Then they'd finally have exactly what they wanted: Joe Biden as President and Hilary Clinton as Vice President, poised to run in 2012 or 2016.
Makes sense to me. Cons, neo-cons, and republicans just love Hilary. This plot all makes sense to me now.
P.S. The Constitution does not forbid Bill Clinton from being V.P., does it? Even better, I know they don't blame him for anything bad that's happened in our country.
This is clearly about white supremacist notions that challenge the 14th Amendment and want to return to a racial definition of citizenship. Better to challenge the whole notion of the imperial presidency.