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August 04, 2009 4:02 pm ET by Jamison Foser

Marc Ambinder seems to think that liberals are ignoring "real health care anxiety," as expressed by people yelling at town hall events.  And he seems to think he's being criticized for pointing out that such anxiety exists.

I think what's really happening is that some liberals think the media should not behave as though a few very loud, very angry protesters are representative of the public at large.  And they shouldn't report the things those protesters are yelling -- or even the "real health care anxiety" many other Americans are feeling -- without making clear whether or not the concerns are factually correct.

Basically, by endlessly reporting that town hall events are being interrupted by yelling anti-health-care-reform protesters, the media is giving disproportionate attention to what polls show to be the minority of the public that opposes reform.  And by failing to point out when those complaints are factually inaccurate, the media is further amplifying their power.  

Video of a handful of shouting protesters may make for better television than factual explanations of health care reform, and refutations of false claims about it, or recitations of polling data showing those protesters to be in the minority -- but it makes for worse journalism.

Ambinder says "protesters are mix of artificial and real. Point is: they're THERE."  Well, sure.  But that's a pretty banal point. Nobody doubts that they're there.  We see the video every time we turn on cable news.  But what do they mean?  How significant are their numbers?  Are their facts right?  Those are the things reporters should focus on, not simply assuming that because they are loud, they are powerful or right.  There were plenty of angry yelling people at McCain-Palin rallies last year, too -- and they didn't turn out to matter at all, because they were representative of only a small portion of the country.

(This is where Ambinder says I don't understand how things are, and I reply that I do -- but Ambinder doesn't understand they don't have to be, and shouldn't be, how they are.)

UPDATE: Ezra Klein points out that at health care events over the past several years, "one thing is perfectly predictable: The Q&A session will be dominated by single-payer activists asking about HR 676."  Now, maybe you've noticed the lack of media attention paid to these public demands for single-payer health care by real Americans over the years.  So, no, the media doesn't have to breathlessly report every time some obscure member of congress gets a question from someone who has been lied to about what health care reform will involve.

UPDATE 2: Ambinder elaborates -- and basically says reporters can't say weather health care reform concerns are valid:

Take, for example, the question of whether people would have to change their policies or their doctors as the result of a robust public plan. Obama says no -- and he makes a credible argument for it. Many real people -- regardless of their motives -- have legitimate and credible reasons to believe that the answer is yes. 

Nonsense.  We know that none of the health care bills in question would require anyone to change health care plans or doctors.  None of them.  

Ambinder doesn't explain what the "legitimate and credible reasons" to believe that people would have to change policies and doctors are.  But whatever they are, they certainly don't preclude reporters from saying "None of the proposed reforms would require anyone to change health care plans or doctors."  If Ambinder can come up with a credible argument why people would be required to do so, fine: reporters can and should mention that argument, too. (Though they needn't and shouldn't give it equal weight if it isn't equally-likely.)

That's the responsible way to cover the "anxiety" Ambinder is obsessed with: to assess how valid it is.  That may not mean being able to definitively say "true" or "false" -- but the answer isn't, as Ambinder seems to think, to throw your hands up in the air, decide you can't know for sure so you won't even try to assess it, and decide that your job is simply to report that concerns exist.  

And, really, I can't believe anyone would seriously think that is the correct path to take.  Why would you become a reporter if you think the job simply entails announcing that concerns exist without assessing the validity of those concerns?

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    • Author by mk3872 (August 04, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
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      Once again, conservatives understand how to control the media.

      It's the SHINY OBJECT offensive.

      Just 1 guy standing up shouting at a Congressman will grab headlines and blog entries.

      Dems should be better prepared for this.
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      • Author by carlileb5935 (August 04, 2009 9:38 pm ET)
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        No but the point is, if left-wing dems get up and shout about single payer, they don't get coverage.

        But if Bible thumpers wave around banners and recite loud prayers, all of a sudden it's America talking.
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      • Author by logicrules (August 04, 2009 11:01 pm ET)
           
        "polls show to be the minority of the public that opposes reform"
        Exactly what poll would that be? Every poll I have seen shows just the opposite of this statement. True or False?
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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (August 04, 2009 4:32 pm ET)
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      The Birther Baloney is starting to wane...

      Now they've got another set of whack-jobs to focus on.
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    • Author by only_myschly3567 (August 04, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
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      They said we're all mourning Walter Cronkite, but no matter how good a coverage they made of his life, they will never honor it. Most of the people in the mainstream media are lacking in all those things that made Cronkite great, and they admit it, but they don't try and better themselves, because that wouldn't give good ratings!
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    • Author by The_Cat (August 04, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
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      This is the perfect sort of journalism vacuum that daily papers and the internet could be taking full advantage of. Even if MSNBC only put this kind of reporting on their website and mentioned the link during prime time news coverage, we'd all be better off. Hey! MSNBC? I'd be willing to do some writing for free, just for a couple of months, on this topic among others. If it turns out to be something people are interested in, we can always talk about pay later. ;)
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    • Author by seeryer (August 04, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
         
      It might be time to pull the "Silent Majority" card?
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    • Author by bilbo_dies (August 04, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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      Actually I agree and disagree with parts of the above blog.
      I believe that the disruptive people, at the town halls, need to be reported, just not to the extent that it currently is.
      Also, if other people, in the audience object to what the disruptors are doing, report that as well. (e.g. most of the audience objected to the disruptions and asked them to stop)

      Since this is still America, we do have a right to be heard, and that includes the ones that we don't agree with.
      Problem is, parties with vested interests, insurance companies, etc are formenting dissent not with any intent of intelligent debate but; rather as a way to distract and derail any debate of possible ideas. Since they don't want to see he status quo change, this is a win win for them. Formenting disruption makes it appear that people are against health care and does not allow for the debate to conclude and people to make choices.
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    • Author by roundhouse (August 04, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
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      Elected Democrats are blowing this opportunity. They want to make restrained logical arguments and hold information meetings. This makes for the perfect and easy target for disruption.

      Here, Jeffrey Feldman expains it very well:
      If, by contrast, the Democrats leading these sessions had gone into them with more passion, the political stage available to the teabag protesters would have been radically diminished, if not eliminated altogether. Beyond just inviting people to kick off the town halls with a story of how their families have suffered as a result of the health insurance industry, Democrats could have followed communications strategy where the overall goal was to control the emotional symbolism of the town halls--wherein everyone who attended would be so shouting mad and teary-eyed in favor of reform that there would be no silent vacuum that could have been filled by protesters.

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (August 04, 2009 9:39 pm ET)
           
        No, that's when the teabaggers would pull out guns.
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      • Author by logicrules (August 04, 2009 11:08 pm ET)
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        So protesting is good if it agrees with your position, protesting is bad if it doesn't agree with your position?
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      • Author by twseattle (August 05, 2009 2:16 am ET)
           
        Well, how about a marine in uniform with his wheelchair bound kidney failing grandma whose insurance company is denying better treatment. Or a young family driven into bankruptcy when their kid got sick. Have them start the meeting with their story and then stay on stage. Then when the screaming starts tape it all. Get tapes of them high-fiving each other afterwards. That will be all reasonable people need to see.
        Reporters should try to cut one of the doggies from the herd and get the insane ranting on screen. They might have a couple of people in a group like that who can present a reasoned case, but the droolers won't take long to find.
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (August 04, 2009 7:17 pm ET)
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      Chris Matthews on Hardball today is reporting on the so-called angry citizens at these TownHall Meetings. Sen. Barbara Boxer just hit the nail on the head too about what the Insurance Companies are doing in promoting these 'angry citizens'. Great show, and only on MSNBC is the "real" truth coming forward.
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      • Author by bip84124092 (August 05, 2009 12:56 am ET)
           
        Yesterday (8/3) Chris Matthews was marveling at the passion of the anti-health care crowd. He knew full well these people were tools of the insurance lobbies, told what to say and how to behave. He never once mentioned the memo's or that these people were orchestrated by corporate interests. He acted as if this was just a spontaneous grassroots phenomenon. It was downright bazaar. Today, if he was going to talk about the town halls he had to address the truth or look like a fool. Chris Matthews most often does more harm than good. He is no liberal. Don't mistake him for one.
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        • Author by fishergirlusmc (August 05, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
             
          where is the proof that the insurance lobbies are orchestrating these meetings? I heard the white house has been holding secret meetings with insurance companies and pharmacueticals as well as CEOS from some very large companies and their lobbyists.
          You don't believe that ANY americans are worried about this massive bill which no on has read that could dramatically alter their health care in the future? Should we all just follow along like lemmings?
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      • Author by fishergirlusmc (August 05, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
           
        Yes MSNBC is the only station telling the truth. Too bad they only have three viewers. How come they have such low ratings these soldiers of truth and honesty?
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    • Author by magnolialover (August 04, 2009 9:29 pm ET)
         
      Sort of reminds me of Florida, 2000. All of the so called "angry" protesters were mostly congressional staffers and lobbyists making lots of noise, and not much else.
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    • Author by National_Insecurity (August 05, 2009 12:02 am ET)
         
      Let me see if I understand Ambinder.

      A disinformation campaign has been funded to scare Americans.

      Those frightened people don't know how (or have the time) to research the facts.

      These fearful people are literally herded to public forums where their free-form fears and beliefs are reinforced by others who have been persuaded by the same disinformation.

      The media reports the fear and disinformation as though it is fact, again, not bothering to research the facts and illuminate the truth or provide the key distinctions.

      Exactly why do we even have truth or facts if beliefs and fears are of equal weight? I'm familiar the moral relativism, but factual relativism is new (I see that wikipedia's site is dated june 9, 2009.)
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    • Author by vwcat (August 05, 2009 12:08 am ET)
         
      it would help if the media explained to viewers the fact that these protesters are being bused in by the corporate lobbyists that are behind the 'protests'.

      The media thinks it is fun to talk about the angry white working class but, it is basically wrong to gin up the story with falsehoods while burying the facts.

      then they cease being journalists and become nothing more the storytellers weaving a tale.
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    • Author by skeptonomist (August 05, 2009 9:44 am ET)
         
      Those in the media who like Ambinder claim that their job is only to stenographically repeat the claims made by the parties to a controversy are showing why they are superfluous. According to this view, newpapers could just print press releases and TV news could just show videos produced by the parties. There would be no need for reporters.
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    • Author by SMTDL (August 05, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
         
      These people yell and disrupt a PUBLIC meeting ..but Dr Gates should be arrested in his own hoem for yelling at a cop that seems to think he is a burglar.
      Just what is disorderly conduct again?
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    • Author by dandelion (August 05, 2009 3:07 pm ET)
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      Yes the press does a lousy job of separating fact from fiction and it's guilty of overplaying the fringe perspective. But I think liberal web sites like Media Matters (of whom I'm a huge fan) are missing an important contributing factor: their own sites!

      This isn't really a bad thing. It shows that liberal web sites are having an influence on the media landscape, although maybe not in the way they intended. Lazy reporters and commentators scouring HuffPo, MMA or TPM see that the buzz is all about birthers and town hall protestors and voila, an easy story with little reporting required. It becomes a self-generating controversy.

      I'm grateful that liberals are countering the conservative narrative. And even if the unintended consequence is that the "countering" turns a marginal story into a big one, I'm kind of grateful for that too. Because we didn't have that 10 years ago.
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