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AP: List of Fox advertisers no longer airing commercials on Beck reaches 33

August 23, 2009 3:20 pm ET by Media Matters staff

From an August 23 Associated Press article:

Glenn Beck returns to Fox News Channel after a vacation on Monday with fewer companies willing to advertise on his show than when he left, part of the fallout from calling President Barack Obama a racist.

A total of 33 Fox advertisers, including Walmart, CVS Caremark, Clorox and Sprint, directed that their commercials not air on Beck's show, according to the companies and ColorofChange.org, a group that promotes political action among blacks and launched a campaign to get advertisers to abandon him. That's more than a dozen more than were identified a week ago.

While it's unclear what effect, if any, this will ultimately have on Fox and Beck, it is already making advertisers skittish about hawking their wares within the most opinionated cable TV shows.

The Clorox Co., a former Beck advertiser, now says that "we do not want to be associated with inflammatory speech used by either liberal or conservative talk show hosts." The maker of bleach and household cleaners said in a statement that is has decided not to advertise on political talk shows.

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    • Author by Vincenzo (August 23, 2009 3:24 pm ET)
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      Either a cryfest or martyrdom special is due on Monday.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (August 23, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
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        To bad. I'd prefer something with a fire hose, maybe a cream pie or two for puncuation.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (August 23, 2009 6:13 pm ET)
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        Regardless which act Beck chooses to use Monday, I suspect that he is angry about this...and that it will be his intent to make liberals pay for it. Watch fo a new level of nastiness...
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        • Author by Max Credits (August 23, 2009 6:31 pm ET)
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          Hey, wait a minute, Beck Tweeted two weeks ago to "love thy enemy" and that "hate is a tool that will fail". Beck "MUST be good". He said so two weeks ago and he meant it! Just kidding. He'll let all the hate Bozos out of the clown car tomorrow. I bet he cries angry joke tears over the hate love he feels as his country ever-so-slightly shifts left of center.
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          • Author by Vincenzo (August 23, 2009 6:47 pm ET)
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            ..and asks all good Americans to now join his new 9/13 group which will help us to relive the feelings we thought we felt on 9/12 but were actually a flashback of what we felt on 9/11 coming to the surface on 9/13. Followed by the guys in white jackets dragging him off (if only).
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          • Author by kydem09 (August 24, 2009 2:59 pm ET)
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            You live in a fantasy world if you think this country is shifting left of center. Most of the country is center to center right. Why do you think Obama can't get his most controversial proposals through the House? It's because of the number of moderate and conservative Democrats who won't vote for it. They know they'll have to go home to face their center to center right constituents during the next election cycle. Hell, even Harry Reid is in trouble.
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            • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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              Most of the country is center to center right.

              I refer you to the elections of 2006 and 2008.

              People may like to call themselves "center" or "center right", but when you ask them about specific policies, most people are definitely "center left" to full-on bleeding-heart left.
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              • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
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                You have proof of this? It's funny, because all the polls say otherwise.
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                • Author by kydem09 (August 24, 2009 4:10 pm ET)
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                  Really? Because the polls I've seen say that most Americans identify themselves as conservative.
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 4:15 pm ET)
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                  It's kind of like the polls that say everyone hates congress in general but most support their own congressperson.
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:19 pm ET)
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                    Because each only does enough to get reelected, not what's best for the country. Of course people hate every other congressman and not their own.
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                    • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
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                      I'll explain it to you again. People "like" identify themselves as conservative, because the liberal label has been sh** on by hate radio for 15+ years.

                      But when asked about SPECIFIC policies, more people are lefties.

                      It's the truth. Does it hurt?
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                      • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:42 pm ET)
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                        So, conservative radio has more influence than every other media outlet combined? Now I'm heard everything.
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                        • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 4:51 pm ET)
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                          Not only hate radio, but Republican politicians basically calling liberals traitors for not supporting the Iraq war.

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                          • Author by starkcr31 (August 25, 2009 10:28 am ET)
                               
                            They call them traitors for not supporting the troops. I don't support that war either but to call our troops Nazis and that they "terrorize women and children in the dead of night" is traitorous.
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                • Author by kydem09 (August 24, 2009 4:16 pm ET)
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                  Here's the link showing people who identify themselves as conservative outnumber those who identify themselves as liberal.

                  http://www.gallup.com/poll/122333/political-ideology-conservative-label-prevails-south.aspx
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
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                    I agree. Most people DO identify themselves as conservative. That's because conservatives have branded themselves as the flag-lovin' patriots and their hate radio co-horts have painted liberals as commie-lovin' fascists marxists baby killin' grandma's plug-pullin' socialists.

                    But when you break it down, most people support liberal policies.
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:44 pm ET)
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                      So... you just ignore an actual poll and come up with your own BS talking points. Well, I can't say I'm surprised to be honest.
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                  • Author by snoopy (August 24, 2009 5:26 pm ET)
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                    [http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/phxg6knzleghpfm9tn2nba.gif]

                    I just like to ensure all the facts are presented. Gallup combined somewhat conservative, moderate, and somewhat liberal all together on the chart. But in the end, so what? Obama enjoys 90%+ approval among democrats. Democrats aren't against health care reform because Obama is pushing a "liberal" agenda, they are going against him for not pushing harder and blowing off the republicans once and for all. It's time for him to say sod off to bipartisanship and push through a partisan crafted solution that he's already being accused of doing. Conservatives have already been heard saying they are against reform and especially a public option because the country will like it.
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              • Author by kydem09 (August 24, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
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                The elections of 2006 and 2008 were referendums against Bush, not a marker of people identifying themselves as "left." Also, all you have to do is see how CNN and MSNBC are bleeding viewers over to FOX to understand what I'm talking about.
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 4:33 pm ET)
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                  Every election is inherently a referendum. And with regards to ratings, McDonalds sells the most hamburgers.
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
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                    What's your point? Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had to be bailed out, so I guess that means they were doing an excellent job, right?
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                  • Author by kydem09 (August 25, 2009 8:37 am ET)
                       
                    You people on the left continue to ignore hard facts that most Americans do NOT identify with your liberal stance. Go ahead and dismiss facts with ridiculous analogies such as hamburgers, your point is lost on most Americans. As you folks at this site are so fond of saying .... thanks for playing!
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                • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (August 24, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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                  kyd, you definitely don't know what you are talking about.
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            • Author by snoopy (August 24, 2009 5:00 pm ET)
                 
              Gosh, kydem, it's amazing how right you are!

              [http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/y7fd8oweieuckkffqi-fcg.gif]
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      • Author by pete592 (August 23, 2009 7:39 pm ET)
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        With a dash of free-speech infringement undies twisting.
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    • Author by bintx (August 23, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
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      Apparently, he's planning on "exposing" all of Obama's "czars," including the one who they are spinning to have been in charge of the letter writing campaign. The problem with that is that these folks have already been vetted AND Van Jones, while he was one of the founders of COC, has not had anything to do with the organization for over 2 years.
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      • Author by ReasonAndResolve (August 23, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
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        Facts don't matter on Fox - and they rarely see the light of day there, anyway.
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    • Author by oscar the grouch (August 23, 2009 6:31 pm ET)
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      So we won't be able to find our favorite Clorox commerical on Beck, Shamity, OhReally?, Countdown, Hardball or the Sunday talk shows? What a shame!!!!!!!
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      • Author by pete592 (August 23, 2009 8:12 pm ET)
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        I'm not real clear what you're point is, probably because it hinges on the concept of people "looking for" their favorite commercials.

        Targets are sought by advertisers, not vice versa.
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        • Author by oscar the grouch (August 23, 2009 8:35 pm ET)
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          The points are: 1) Clorox has just banned itself from the programs I listed. 2) Mass Media Advertising plays a very little role in my purchasing decisions (otherwise I'd probably be a "beer bellied" drunk) 3)Pulling out of one show, but not off the network probably makes little difference in the scheme of things. Fox stills gets the revenue and Clorox probably gets more spots for the same $$$.

          Whether this whole flap makes a dime's difference in the end will be undetermined. Fox could offer Beck commercial free, giving him about 14- 16 more minutes per hour to spew nonsense. Is that really what's desired??
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          • Author by Disputed Zone (August 23, 2009 10:17 pm ET)
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            I'm holding out hope behavior will improve. At the very least I expect Beck will think twice before saying Obama hates white people again.
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            • Author by fishergirlusmc (August 24, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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              Craig,
              Maybe Beck really does believe in his heart that Obama does indeed hate white people. Many black people thought that Bush hated them and actually blew up the leviees in New Orleans. We have a politician here in NY Charles Barron who makes it very clear how much he hates whitey and he is suppossed to represent ALL NY'ERS in his district.
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              • Author by political_left-religious_right (August 24, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
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                Maybe Beck really does believe in his heart that Obama does indeed hate white people.

                That's no excuse. If he really does believe it, then he's too unbalanced to have a show on the public airwaves.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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                  So the fact that Olbermann thinks Fox News is more dangerous than Al Qeada is acceptable?
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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                    Fox News IS more dangerous than Al Queda. At least we have the military/intelligence systems working against them to protect us.

                    The only thing we have to protect us against Fox News mis-informing the public, which is VERY dangerous (Dr. Tiller, holocaust museum shooter, church shooter), is people who stand up for the truth.
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                  • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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                    Got a direct quote from Olberman on that one? I've never heard him say that, and if he did, he's wrong. AQ is more dangerous, in a physical sense. FoxNews is more dangerous because they're filling the heads of Americans not with news, but with rampant misinformation.
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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                      I read the interview. Go look it up unless you're too lazy to do so. The fact that you don't agree with Fox News does not mean they are lying to you. If you would actually keep an open mind instead of having a political agenda and (Obama) hero worship, you may learn something.
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                      • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
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                        Luckily for you, I don't hero worship Obama, that's just your projection.

                        Go look it up? Here's how this works chief. You make a claim, and then you have to back it up. It's up to the person making said claim to have the burden of proof. You made it, now back it up, or just shut up about it. I am willing to have an open mind, but you have come to me with nothing.

                        FoxNews lies to Americans on a daily basis, we see some evidence of that here, plus the fact that they were allowed to lie by a court in Florida I believe it was. There was a decision handed down that essentially said, FoxNews is allowed to lie.

                        I do have a political agenda.

                        Like I said, got a quote about Olberman? You'd be shocked to learn I don't really watch him that much, nor agree with everything he says.

                        It's the classic scenario now, put up, or shut up.
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                        • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:09 pm ET)
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                          If you aren't going to believe a radical left-wing site like the Huffington Post, I don't know who you're going to believe. Since you're too lazy to spend 5 seconds googling what I said, here it is:

                          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/09/10/olbermann-fox-news-is-wor_1_n_63818.html
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                          • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 4:17 pm ET)
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                            I'm more worried about some wingnut on marching orders from hate radio blowing up a building or shooting up a church than I am of Al Queda.
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                            • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
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                              Yeah, they only killed 3000 people in 2001 and thousands more around the world. Oh wait, but George W. Bush caused 9/11 right? The poor jihadists would never do a thing like that, would they? Would they?? Oh man, liberals are hilarious. Let's apologize to the terrorists, that will make everything better. After all, it was our fault. In fact, let's give them all amnesty so they can plan their attacks better.
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                              • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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                                Where did I suggest ANYTHING that you claim?

                                That's right, because I DIDN'T.
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                                • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
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                                  You said you were more worried about some crazy right-winger than Al Qaeda. That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Did a right-winger commit the worst terrorist act in American history?
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                  • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (August 24, 2009 6:45 pm ET)
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                    starkcr, in a word,yes.
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (August 25, 2009 10:57 am ET)
                         
                      The fact that you believe that makes you at best, insane, and at worst dangerous.
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              • Author by snoopy (August 24, 2009 2:30 pm ET)
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                Is he the same one I read about who is claiming if he loses it's because of race? I believe there is an excellent rebuttal to his outlandish claim on huffington post. He will lose because of race, just not in the way he thinks it is.
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                • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 2:33 pm ET)
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                  That was Patterson, the Gov of NY. He'll lose mostly because he stinks at his job from the looks of it.

                  What Beck believes, and what is actually reality are 2 different things. Obama has done nothing, nothing at all, to show that he hates white people.
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              • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 2:38 pm ET)
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                There is nothing to prove that Obama hates white people. Nothing at all. His actions don't prove out what "Beck really does believe in his heart..." sometimes, what people believe, and what the reality is, are 2 very different things, and need to be addressed.

                There were a few kooky people, very few, that thought Bush blew up the levies in NO. His response to Katrina was un-believably bad, and the people who suffered most in that situation were, yes, black people.

                If Charles Barron hates whitey, then don't vote for him, and don't re-elect him if he's that bad. Then again, he is just a city councilman (NY City), not someone who has a ton of power, nor influence I'd say. So if you don't live in NY City, his influence doesn't affect you at all.
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              • Author by dewdrop_8171931 (August 24, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
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                Fishergirl...are you serious?!?
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              • Author by pete592 (August 24, 2009 4:09 pm ET)
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                "Many black people thought that Bush hated them and actually blew up the leviees in New Orleans."

                How many of those black people has a media platform and an audience of millions?
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          • Author by bintx (August 24, 2009 10:54 am ET)
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            Actually, Mass Media Advertising DOES play a role in your purchasing decisions. You just don't realize it.
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          • Author by MiddleLeft (August 24, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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            Fox could offer Beck commercial free,

            I suggest you don't understand how television works.

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    • Author by blesscurse (August 23, 2009 8:55 pm ET)
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      The Founding Fathers did not even use Clorox.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (August 23, 2009 11:20 pm ET)
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        Right, the production of chlorine was still a gleam in a chemist's eye back then. Back then they had to use real oxen to bleach their clothing.
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      • Author by murphyj87 (August 24, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
           
        Maybe the founding fathers' slaves used Clorox.
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    • Author by everettbme (August 23, 2009 11:52 pm ET)
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      Are you kidding, Boozer Beck is gonna love this. He can use it as further evidence that President Obama and the liberals are after him. After all, this is a guy who has told his listeners that he won't make it out of this alive because the government already has plans to take him out. Boozer Beck will love this since it gives him even more to whine about how everyone is trying to shut him up. And of course his fans will eat it up.
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    • Author by Meremark (August 24, 2009 1:11 am ET)
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      whOO-HOOO ! ! ! The beginning of The End.

      Clorox pulling ad budget money OUT OF HATETALK SHOWS altogether, as I read it, and as Color Of Change can push it Push It PUSH IT.

      Beck can be the first domino. Fall flat fool, and push down the others.

      Clorox is going to save a lot of wasted money which was NOT selling product, was advertising to ANTI-customers -- audience goons addicted to hatetalk adrenaline and needing bigger and BIGGER doses to get their buzzzzzz on, HATE normal people going about their lives being NORMAL Customers.

      Clorox can be the first Good Example.

      Model Consumer Goods CivicCorporation.

      You're next WalMart, you HATETALK funding sponsor.
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      • Author by daveart (August 24, 2009 9:28 am ET)
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        Free speech is overrated. the more we harass advertisers the more we can stifle all of the disagreeable speech. I frankly only want to hear the echoes of wisdom posted here. when we can all speak with our special enlightened voice we will finally make a perfect world.
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        • Author by bintx (August 24, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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          This has nothing to do with the First Amendment right to free speech. The First Amendment only addresses the prohibition of government interference in free speech. You can say whatever you want [well, there are some legitimate restrictions such as making threats], I can object to what you're saying and, if you have a television or radio program supported by advertisers, they can exercise their right to free speech by CANCELING their ads. No one's First Amendment rights to free speech have been squelched.
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          • Author by RKAllen (August 24, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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            You are absolutely right! This is not an example of free speech being taken away. It is a prime example of free speech in action!
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        • Author by internet soldier (August 24, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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          I'm sorry, I was not aware that a spot on tv was a constitional right. If that were true, we'd be violating the science channel's constitutional rights by choosing not to buy any of its advertiser's products.

          But since it clearly is a God-given right to host a t.v. show, how do we protect this right? Perhaps if we forced the people who were boy-cotting Beck's sponsors to buy the sponsor's products, then no more would this terrible injustice continue.

          We shall overcome, daveart, we shall overcome.
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      • Author by zoar (August 24, 2009 10:03 am ET)
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        I am boycotting all companies that advertise of FOX News and especially Glenn Bekc, and I am writing all the execs at these companies and telling them of my boycott. Moreover, I am telling them I am encouraging all my friends to join with me. When they stop advertising on FOX and Beck I will reconsider buying from them.
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      • Author by snoopy (August 24, 2009 1:20 pm ET)
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        Clorox will lose a lot of money with the loss of advertising on Beck. Where will the KKK go to whiten their sheets now?
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    • Author by shaggles (August 24, 2009 11:36 am ET)
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      The free market's a bitch.
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      • Author by MiddleLeft (August 24, 2009 1:19 pm ET)
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        ...and and so is democracy. Darned inconvenient when your side doesn't win. Makes some folks want to "take back our country from the side that won".

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        • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 2:40 pm ET)
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          They can try, in 4 years (OK, little less than 4 years).

          For now, we won, they get to have a seat for a little while.
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    • Author by kinthenorthwest (August 24, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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      I have to say this is the craziest thing that people in Obama's administration have tried pulling yet.
      Thanks to all the great Obama people Beck's show now has even more viewers, along with new advertisers.
      The new advertisers are YOU!!!
      Aren't you glad.
      The more Obama's administration use their people to spread false rumors the more viewers Beck gains.
      Keep up the Great Work Guys.
      We're looking forward to Glen setting even better Number One Viewer Records, especially with all your Great Help and help from Obama administration.
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      • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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        Umm, what world of crazy do you live on?

        Obama's administration didn't do anything about Glen Beck. Nothing. That's just something that you just made up.

        He has more and new advertisers? Sure he does. Help us learn about these new advertisers.

        Let me let you in on a little secret about how TV shows work. In order for them to be produced, and get paid for, they need advertisers with deep pockets normally. Beck, getting paid outrageous amounts of money for basically being off of his meds, isn't pulling in the ad dollars that he needs now, not to mention, FoxNews, like the rest of cable TV, doesn't draw that many viewers in to start with. Couple loss of ad revenue with not that many people watching, Fox can't sell premium ad space on Beck's show, or charge as much as they did before.

        Beck will never get #1 ratings, because in cable TV, his ratings are nominal compared with network TV already.
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      • Author by achrispage6992 (August 24, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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        Your post exemplifies the problem with the thought process people like you use. You indicate that the Obama administration is pulling the strings in having advertisers pull away from Beck. You have no proof. You present no proof. You simply adhere to this ideology given to you by your right wing talk radio masters. An ideology based on the premise that anything Obama does is based on some nefarious and conspiratorial plan to make you something you don't want to be. Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps these companies simply find Beck's words deplorable? Nawwwww, that would destroy your belief that everythings a conspiracy.

        You write about Beck being number one in viewers. So what? 2.4 million people in the grand scheme of things is nothing. HIs viewership is not even 1% of the population. His radio audience is perhaps more, but likely many are one in the same. I love how he likes to brag that he is the THIRD most listened to progam in the nation. Isn't that like a pro football team saying "we are the THIRD best team in football?" Really, who does that? Shouldn't that alone tell you all you need to know about this mans ego? He preaches to the choir and you guys run around believing his schtick while he makes millions by lying to you everyday. He tells you that Everything this President does is somehow part of a nefarious plan. You believe it and have the audacity to accuse Liberals of "drinking the Kool-Aid." Amazing.

        I for one and simply elated that there are only 2.4 million morons who believe this guy. You people are loons, certifiable and undeniable. You have recruited old people to protest against governmental run health care for Christ's Sakes!!! How ridiculous is that? Wouldn't that be similiar to a person loving Chevrolet cars only to turn around and protest the making of Chevrolet cars? do you people have any idea of how ignorant and easily led you really are?
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (August 24, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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      When someone who makes BLEACH tells you your show is too WHITE, you know you have a problem!
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    • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 2:24 pm ET)
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      I don't know how to break this to people, but controversial hosts, whether liberal or conservative, lose advertisers all the time. You act like this is something new.
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      • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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        30 some odd advertisers over the course of a couple of weeks? I'd say, this is more than usual. Prove me wrong.
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        • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 2:45 pm ET)
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          Well, his ratings are still so far above Olbermann or Maddow that it's not even comparable, so I guess it doesn't really matter, does it? Do they even have sponsors?

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          • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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            Ratings over Truth.

            Profits over People.

            Let 'Em Fail.

            Water that Liberty Tree.

            So how many bumper stickers can I put you down for, stark colbert?
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            • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 3:26 pm ET)
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              So their ratings are awful why? Because they give such great and honest information? Now I've heard it all.
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              • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 3:43 pm ET)
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                Ratings have nothing to do with whether or not they give honest and truthful information.

                In wingnut world, ratings are all that matters of course, and that is supposed to somehow prove that whoever has the highest ratings and or yells the loudest are always correct?

                Welcome to stupid America if that's what you think.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:11 pm ET)
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                  Didn't I just read a minute ago from one of you liberals that "most people are center-left to extreme-left"? If that's the case, how can it be a "wing-nut world"? You can't have it both ways pal.
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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                    You read it from me. And you mis-read mag's post.

                    You see, there are 2 realities. Reality-based reality, and wingnut world reality. Understand?
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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                      As usual, you didn't respond to my point. If the majority of people lean to the left, why does Fox News utterly dominate the other cable news channels. I guess it must be a coincidence, right?
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 4:39 pm ET)
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                        You're confused because you're using a false analogy.

                        People NEED Fox News to reinforce their warped view of the world. It validates their warped sense of reality. Because when Fox viewers are told the truth, they have to run back to Beck, Hannity, and hate radio to get a fresh heapin' mouthful of lies.

                        I refer you to John Dean's book Conservative Without Conscience. It explains this all quite well and with evidence.
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                        • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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                          Sigh. You AGAIN didn't respond to my point. You spewed your liberal garbage and avoided the issue. I asked how it would make ANY sense that most people are liberal but most people watch Fox. That doesn't make mathematical sense. Oh, and if you think I'm going to read some book from a radical that trashes conservatives, you've got another thing coming. You think that when you simply state things they become reality. That is strange. You have no evidence let alone proof of anything you're saying.
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                          • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 5:57 pm ET)
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                            I did reply, but I'll try to be more clear, because I really, really want to make you understand because you seem to be making another false analogy.

                            I said most people support GENERAL LIBERAL POLICIES, not that most people view themselves as "liberal".

                            And I explained to you that cons need their daily re-inforcement of "information" as opposed to liberals. Therefore, yes, conservative hate radio and Fox do have higher ratings.

                            Then I directed you to a book, written by John Dean, who despite appearing on Countdown sometimes, is not a radical anything. It doesn't trash conservatives so much as it explains their psychology.

                            Reading is good for you. It keeps you from looking uninformed about the issues of the day.

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                            • Author by starkcr31 (August 25, 2009 11:01 am ET)
                                 
                              Why would they "need" that if they support liberal policies? That doesn't make sense. I watch Fox News because I DON'T support liberal policies. So, what is in the conservative psyche in a nutshell since you've read that book?
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                      • Author by pete592 (August 24, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
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                        "If the majority of people lean to the left, why does Fox News utterly dominate the other cable news channels."

                        You're really, seriously putting forth cable news ratings as a political barometer of the nation?

                        You remember what happened in the '06 and '08 elections, right? And who continued to dominate cable news ratings during this time despite the huge freakin' mess that Bush and the Republicans made?
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                        • Author by pete592 (August 24, 2009 9:35 pm ET)
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                          But I give you credit for implying that Fox News is a right-wing organization. If only they themselves could stop living in denial.
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                          • Author by starkcr31 (August 25, 2009 11:05 am ET)
                               
                            Of course they are, just as MSNBC and CNN are left-wing. Every single one is biased.
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                        • Author by starkcr31 (August 25, 2009 11:03 am ET)
                             
                          Well, there must be a reason why the ratings are so high. I mean, if so many people are liberal, why would they watch Fox News? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If you want to talk about a mess, let's talk about what congress has done since '06. Do you think it's a coincidence that things start to downward spiral in 2006? At some point you are going to have to stop blaming Bush for everything and start taking responsibility for things.
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                          • Author by pete592 (August 25, 2009 11:21 am ET)
                               
                            "Do you think it's a coincidence that things start to downward spiral in 2006?"

                            The downward spiral was what I hope to be the final chapter of Rega-Busha-Clinto-nomics. It was the product of twenty-five years of insane trade policy, insane domestic policy and insane foreign policy. These problems were a VERY long time in the making and go back way further than one recent election.
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                            • Author by starkcr31 (August 25, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
                                 
                              So, let me see if understand this. Obama's insane spending policies are HELPING and Reagan DIDN'T turn the economy around during the 80's? I just want to be clear.
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                              • Author by pete592 (August 25, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
                                   
                                I didn't say anything about Obama's policies, he's only been in office for 8 months, and so far, I don't like what I'm seeing. The argument that his policies kept the economy from getting worse are starting to wear thin with me.

                                Reagan set in motion America's descent into bubble economies that look great on the surface, but have a foundation that's bound to fail sooner or later.

                                Now we're clear.
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                          • Author by pete592 (August 25, 2009 11:30 am ET)
                               
                            "I mean, if so many people are liberal, why would they watch Fox News?"

                            So, for example, on a good night O'Reilly will capture an audience of 2-3 million people.

                            Meanwhile, the U.S. is a nation of 300 million people. In addition, the top 20 primtime network programs capture audiences that are 3 to 4 times the size of O'Reilly's.

                            Cable news ratings represent the crumbs that are left over when most of the audience opts for drama, comedy, sports, talent and reality shows. Fox News simply gets the lion's share of the crumbs.

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                            • Author by starkcr31 (August 25, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
                                 
                              You are missing the point yet again. Just because American Idol has far more viewers than Fox News is irrelevant to my point. A CONSERVATIVE news channel has twice the viewers of any of the other LIBERAL news channels. That's a simple concept. I'm not comparing it to EVERY OTHER CHANNEL.
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                              • Author by pete592 (August 25, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
                                   
                                IMO, liberals don't like cable news. They consider all three cable news networks to be corporate machines that don't give a damn about the average Amercian. They believe cable news has bred journalistic malfeasance and has turned news into sensationalistic, marketable crap entertainment that's geared for profit, not informing people. Therefore, I think many liberals don't watch it, myself included.
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                                • Author by starkcr31 (August 26, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
                                     
                                  You know this how? Liberals don't watch the news? Just because you don't doesn't mean none of them do.
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          • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 3:18 pm ET)
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            Ratings don't matter in this case, he's losing advertisers, and that means, losing dollars. People watching don't pay the bills for his show, advertisers do.
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            • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
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              Well, when Glenn Beck's ratings get below the likes of Olbermann or Maddow, I'll eat my hat.
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              • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 3:44 pm ET)
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                Why do you keep bring up Maddow and Olberman? Last I heard, they didn't have 30+ advertisers leave their shows. And they have nothing to do with this. You're trying to change the subject, and of course, it's obvious.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
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                  If they did lose that many advertisers, they'd have quite a bit less than zero advertisers, which, the last time I checked, wasn't possible.
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          • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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            And you still didn't prove, you just misdirected your post, about how losing 30 some odd advertisers is not something new, and happens all the time to controversial hosts.

            Thing is, you might lose some, but 30+? I doubt that's normal.
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            • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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              You aren't looking at it in the right perspective. If Beck has 100 advertisers (exaggeration, but bear with me) and loses 30, he's not in that bad of shape. If Maddow loses 1 (of her 3), she's in trouble. You see?
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              • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 3:42 pm ET)
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                Again, we're not talking about equating Maddow with Beck, or Olberman for that matter. We're talking about Beck losing 30+ advertisers and the money that goes with it.

                You keep trying to change the subject, first starting that this is normal that 30 advertisers jump ship ALL the time. But you haven't proven out that this is normal that 30 advertisers would jump ship.

                Maddow and Olberman have lesser ratings, we know this, and again, ratings has nothing to do with advertisers leaving Beck's show at an alarming rate.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (August 24, 2009 4:13 pm ET)
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                  The guy is controversial. That's the bottom line. I'm sure Olbermann, Limbaugh and Hannity lose advertisers too. It comes with the territory. What makes Beck so much worse than the others?
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                  • Author by political_left-religious_right (August 25, 2009 10:45 am ET)
                       
                    "I'm sure Olbermann, Limbaugh and Hannity lose advertisers too." (emphasis added)

                    Don't you see, Mags? starkraving makes a claim, you request evidence, he tries deflecting for a long while, you stick to the topic, and finally he answers by giving you his ipse dixit. Another joyful peak into wingnut world.
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                    • Author by starkcr31 (August 25, 2009 11:08 am ET)
                         
                      I'm simply making a point that all controversial hosts, from Limbaugh to Hannity to Olbermann to Howard Stern loses advertisers. Why? Because advertisers don't want to alienate customers by supporting someone who may offend them. That's simple common sense.
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    • Author by only_myschly3567 (August 24, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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      "I believe this leftist Marxist liberal group, ColorofChance.org, is going to.. I believe this is just the tip, the TIP... Of the iceberg.
      They're going to be trying to get anyone, at first, anyone who's a conservative off the air. Then, once they've successfully silenced us who speak the truth, you will see. They WILL force all white people off the air. They're going to start with conservatives, and move their way, right to left, until there are no white people left presenting the news".

      That's my bet of what the transcript will be ^^
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (August 24, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
           
        Got racism?

        Un-freakin-believable.
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        • Author by magnolialover (August 24, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
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          I think only (above) was writing that rhetorically, as in, this is what Beck is going to say.

          That's how I read it anyway.
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    • Author by dewdrop_8171931 (August 24, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
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      This news brings a smile to my face. I'm sure his show will freaure a sob fest about how these companies are liberal fascists who support Nazi behavior. Ya know, typical GOP/neo-con mumbo-jumbo.
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    • Author by seroquel (August 24, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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      Hi! I'm back! Stark, I disagree with your hyberbole. 30+ advertisers leaving a show is big news. Poor Beck.(HAHAHAHAHA!)
      Ratings do not mean someone is right or correct. Just means they are a spectacle. Proof? American Idol. BIG RATINGS, yet a stupid waste of time.(On Fox, BTW). And a spectacle.
      These are the rules: You bring up something, you have your ducks in a row. Otherwise, you don't bring it up.
      Again, ratings don't make someone right. Just means they're popular-which we learned in high school had nothing to do with smarts.
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      • Author by starkcr31 (August 25, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
           
        So, according to your logic, everyone watches Beck because he's a spectacle?
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