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Richard Cohen, the Washington Post's pro-torture "liberal."

September 01, 2009 11:09 am ET by Jamison Foser

Richard Cohen is, supposedly, a liberal columnist for the Washington Post.  Never mind that he embraced the Iraq war, belittling those who did not buy the Bush administration's trumped-up case for war as "fools or Frenchmen."  Never mind his defense of the Bush administration's outting of Valerie Plame, or his defense of Monica Goodling, or his defense of financial services executives who ran their companies into the ground and the business media that stood idly by while it happened, or his outrage that Stephen Colbert dared make fun of President Bush's low approval ratings at the White House correspondents dinner -- or the fact that he didn't seem to mind Bush's jokes at an earlier dinner about failing to find WMD in Iraq.

Never mind all that.  Richard Cohen is the Washington Post's idea of a liberal.  And Richard Cohen loves him some torture.

Here, Cohen describes the capture of a hypothetical terrorist:

Now he is in American custody. What will happen? How do we get him to reveal his group's plans and the names of his colleagues? It will be hard. It will, in fact, be harder than it used to be. He can no longer be waterboarded. He knows this. He cannot be deprived of more than a set amount of sleep. He cannot be beaten or thrown up against even a soft wall. He cannot be threatened with shooting or even frightened by the prospect of an electric drill. Nothing really can be threatened against his relatives -- that they will be killed or sexually abused.

"Harder than it used to be"?  Only if torture works.  If torture doesn't work, it may well be easier than it used to be.

Note, also, Cohen's nonchalant descriptions of torture: The repeated use of the word "even," designed to make the tactics (physically assualting a captive, making her think you're going to drill a damn hole in her head) sound like no big deal. A prohibition on making a captive think you're going to rape and murder his seven year old daughter is turned into "nothing really can be threated against his relatives."

Next, Cohen suggests that torture is little more than what New York Times reporter Judith Miller went through: "Special prosecutors are often themselves like interrogators -- they don't know when to stop. They go on and on because, well, they can go on and on. One of them managed to put Judith Miller of The New York Times in jail -- a wee bit of torture right there."

Yes, that's right: Judith Miller's prison sentance -- during which she had to suffer the indignity of her newspaper arriving a day late, leaving her woefully uninformed for her frequent visits from people like Tom Browkaw and Bob Dole -- was kind of like being waterboarded and having your captors threaten to rape and murder your children.  

Back to Cohen:

No one can possibly believe that America is now safer because of the new restrictions on enhanced interrogation and the subsequent appointment of a special prosecutor.

Nonsense.  If you think torture doesn't work -- and there is a great deal of evidence that it doesn't -- then of course America is safer for not torturing.  We no longer waste time on tactics that don't work.  We no longer enrage the world by engaging in barbaric and inhuman torture.  

Cohen's claim is absurd on its face.  But it is also a striking reminder of one of his darkest moments as a columnist:

Richard Cohen, in a column headlined "A Winning Hand For Powell," declared that Powell's presentation "had to prove to anyone that Iraq not only hasn't accounted for its weapons of mass destruction but without a doubt still retains them. Only a fool -- or possibly a Frenchman -- could conclude otherwise." Cohen was careful to make clear that he based his own conclusion not upon an examination of Powell's arguments and evidence, but on Powell himself: "The clincher ... was the totality of the material and the fact that Powell himself had presented it. In this case, the messenger may have been more important than the message."

Once again, Richard Cohen mistakes his own inability to see through conservative talking points for the truthfulness of those talking points.

Sure, Cohen makes a late assertion of his "abhorrence of torture."  But after wading through his spurious claims about torture working, only a fool would believe him.

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    • Author by bilbo_dies (September 01, 2009 11:35 am ET)
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      No one can possibly believe that America is now safer because of the new restrictions on enhanced interrogation and the subsequent appointment of a special prosecutor.

      Boy, he sure has us there. Anyone with a brain can't believe that we are safer because we have gone back to our standard of not using torture.

      Of course the obverse of that is that no one with a brain could believe that we were safer when we did condone torture.

      Obviously I narrowed my audience above. Some people will believe what they believe no matter what the data shows.

      We can go on and on but; I believe that the "real experts", people who have the experience in interogating prisoners, have said time and time again that torture doesn't work. Sure, you can get them to talk but; what are they telling you that is the truth and what are they making up just to stop the pain.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 01, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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        How can anyone feel safer knowing that they live in a country who's government condones torture?! That's like saying they'd feel safer in Iraq or Afganistan or Iran or any number of other third world medieval sh!thole countries that condone torture. The reason that you can feel SAFE HERE is that our government DOES NOT CONDONE TORTURE.

        And Dick Cheney belongs in the Hague. That man did more to threaten my freedom than Al Quaeda ever could, without his traitorous cowardice in power anyway.
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    • Author by shaggles (September 01, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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      It doesn't matter if torture works or not (it doesn't according to experts.) It's illegal and immoral. The fact that it is illegal alone makes us less safe. The surest way of putting a criminal back out on the street is abusing his rights. Why don't the pro-torture advocates get that?
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (September 01, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
           
        Ah, but; torture is illegal only as long as we say it is.
        If we change the law to allow it (oh, and ignore those silly treaty's that we signed) then it isn't against the law.

        As far as being immoral. It is only immoral as long as society in general agrees that it is immoral. As soon as we decide it is a moral choice then it is.

        Sorry, just parsing those fine hairs. (as I know others will)
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    • Author by Liberal Leader (September 01, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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      Mr Cohen,
      Is it possible that you could be wrong regarding torture? Based on your stellar track record over the last few years regarding war? How about having a conversation with an expert on torture who actually does believe the new standards in place make America more safe than she was? I am sure a google search could lead you to one. Considering your statement that "no one could possibly" think America is safer might not only enlighte you but WAPO readers. But you just keep sticking to your hunches, they have really been spot on this decade.
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    • Author by SLRTX (September 01, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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      One may slice & dice around the purpose of the bill of rights in the Constitution, by saying it only applies to U.S. Citizens.

      But, anyone who "holds these truths to be self-evident" (I know, I'm now quoting from the Declaration of Independence), knows that our founding fathers added the bill of rights to the Constitution (almost as an after-thought, by the way) as a way to ensure human rights are maintained. And that we are, above all, a civilized society, bound to treat even the most despicable among us with justice and civility. Mob hangings and torture are out. Justice goes hand & hand with freedom.

      Torture can only gain a confession, true or false, to what the interrogator wants to hear. That's why it was so effective during the inquisitions. Of course we all know how effect THAT was at discovering all those heretics. How many innocent people were burned at the stake?

      Torture has NEVER been an effective tool to gain intel, because is is coerced. The best intel is given freely.
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    • Author by fishergirlusmc (September 01, 2009 1:52 pm ET)
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      If you captured Osama Bin Laden today and thought there was a ticking time bomb scenerio what line of questioning would the new FBI team ask him? How would they prevent the destruction of a major US city or wouldn't they. What techniques would be on the table in this particular case.
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      • Author by SLRTX (September 01, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
           
        What if you captured Osama Bin Ladin today and thought there was ticking time bomb.

        What if he was tortured into confessing where the bomb was?

        What if, when the scene was investigated, no bomb was found?

        What if, the interrogators thought Mr. Bin Ladin was just being difficult, so they up the severity of the interrogation to make him really confess?

        Cycle repeats.

        What if, someone later finds out that they really had Bin Ladin in custody, not Bin Laden. (See the misspelling was intentional.)

        And what if, they find out poor 'ol Mr. Bin Ladin was just some schlep goat herder who was minding his own business one day, when out of the blue he was surrounded by armed men, claiming he was Bin Laden?

        Oh, sorry. Tortured the wrong guy. Never mind.

        That's why I am opposed to torture.

        Once you start down that path, it's hard to decide where to stop.

        Remember Abu Ghraib prison?
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        • Author by Jurgan (September 01, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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          Here's the best response to the ticking time bomb scenario (aside from the fact that it's unprecedented): Let's allow that an agent somehow knows for sure that he has a conspirator in custody, and he knows that this conspirator knows about an imminent attack, and he knows that something in this person's psychological make-up that makes him susceptible to torture, such that he will give up accurate information. That's a lot of hypotheticals, but let's suppose. So the agent tortures him, and he gives up information that saves thousands of lives. Now what? The agent is arrested for illegal interrogation and put on trial. Does anyone really think a jury of twelve will convict this agent? He'll probably be acquitted, or at least shown leniency in sentencing. And you know what? I'm okay with that. The agent was in an impossible situation, and he probably made the best moral choice he could. Was it right? That's above my paygrade. But I'd forgive him, because he was in a severe moral dilemma and he made the best choice he could. That doesn't mean we should legalize torture or preemptively immunize all potential torturers. It's likely to do more harm than good, aside from being immoral, which is why it's illegal. Courts are there to provide oversight and judgment in unusual circumstances like the above, but we shouldn't short circuit them by passing a law saying anything goes on the justification that it might help in an extremely unlikely situation.

          Believe it or, I'm taking this argument from, of all people, John Mccain, writing in Newsweek. A shame that a man with such moral clarity on such an important issue sold out when he decided he wanted to be president.

          I've seen this argument summarized this way: "Would you kill a baby to save a thousand lives? Yes? So should we legalize baby-killing?"
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          • Author by bilbo_dies (September 01, 2009 4:48 pm ET)
               
            It is the 24 scenario all over again.
            Jack knows (in TV you really do know) that something is in the works.
            He is working against a know clock.
            He has a suspect that he knows has information he needs.
            Jack does what is necessary to get that information, no matter what.

            Problem is, reality isn't TV. There are no do overs.

            Besides, Jack knows he is wrong for doing what he does, he just feels he doesn't have a choice. Jack will face the blame and do the time, if needed, when it is all said and done.

            Let's see any of the torture apologists agree to stand up for some CIA agent who crossed the line and agree to do the time that the agenst would have to serve for breaking the law.
            Remember, in Jack's world, torture is illegal.
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          • Author by fishergirlusmc (September 01, 2009 4:52 pm ET)
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            What are the guidelines that an interrogator for the FBI would be allowed to take? Is it strictly the Army Field Manuel? Are we now saying the government will not be able to protect the citizens? I appreciate your post and I guess it really will be every man for himself. I guess our governments duty to protect us is false, it is impossible for them to do that.
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            • Author by phredicles (September 01, 2009 6:27 pm ET)
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              Four points:

              1. Wow, for someone who claims to have been in the armed forces, that's some serious lack of respect for the Army Field Manual.

              2. The government did a decent job of protecting the country during World War II without torturing people.

              3. When the government ignores its own laws, no citizen is safe. I would have thought big-gummint-hatin' right-wingers would appreciate that readily.

              4. I believe you would profit from reading up on logical fallacies, especially one called a "false dilemma".
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