If he takes a leadership role in exposing this crapola on his show, rather than just a Tweet fest, then I'll join you in the "give 'em hell." Is he willing to risk it?
It's getting completely ridiculous when the head story on channel 13 news in Houston is Obama's speech to children to stay in school and how some parents are worried about the speech and plan to keep their kids home. The people are absolutely insane. Anything Obama does now is cause for an uproar even though he's been playing directly into Republican's hands. If he was actually giving us that change he told he'd give us, then I wouldn't care so much what they were saying. But Obama has done NOTHING and the Republicans are accusing him of being Hitler.
What has he done so far? He has bailed out the banks and let them go back to business as usual, he has decreased transparency even though he said he'd make government more transparent, he has intensified the war in Afghanistan, he has given up on the public option, he has cut a deal with drug companies to effectively insure their enormous profits for many years to come, he has ignored habeas corpus, etc. Do Republican's fault him on those things? No, they complain that he is indoctrinating the youth with a "stay in school speech" and is planning on "killing grandma." It's unbelievable. If you are going to be mad at him at least have legitimate complaints.
He was 100% correct.
1989 was a watershed year for the right. They started in earnest going off their rockers when Reagan started feeding them BS, but 1989 they were well on their way to what we see today.
Ah... the king of morning flip-flop is apparently in "flop" mode. We'll see what talking points he sticks to next week... there's a reason people are leaving the Morning Joke in droves.
If you criticize both sides, you're lying half the time.
That's not normally true, but it's true when one of the sides is insane. You can't rationally criticize the non-insane party from the perspective of the insane party.
The only legitimate criticism of democrats comes from the left.
Very good Joe, I can agree with everything you said. Say it louder and say it more often and how about on TV, too. I don't tweet or twitter, just like lots of other people, but they need to hear this, too.
Joe's and my politics diverge on issues we both think are important. But he and I are in agreement here. I want a strong, thoughtful Republican party to keep my Democratic party on its toes, to keep the debate honest, and to keep pushing on those issues where I agree with them and not my own party. The increasingly shrill tone of the debate is cause for concern. When the President cannot even speak to school children about school, because everything he does is suspect, his critics have gone from respectful dissent to unpatriotic, unAmerican bombthrowers. While there was plenty of Bush-bashing in the last administration (and I engaged in my share), I have no memory of the left bringing guns to rallies, or insinuating that the government should be violently overthrown.
You see, Tbone, some people are not ALWAYS right and some people not ALWAYS wrong (though Rush, Glenn, Ann, et al try to prove me wrong). What you will find with many people on the left, Tbone, and many on the right, is that we will see issues as separate, and that we will often base our opinions on the merits of the argument, and not necessarily the one who makes the argument. Can you understand that?
And here I always thought it was to point out conservative mis-information.
Thus, no matter who, when someone is spouting crazy stuff, they get called out for it.
If the same person is pointing out others are spouting crazy stuff, then they are used as a data point.
I like to use good ole Chris Matthews as an example.
Some days he is on air going with the flow, just repeating the crazy stuff without any context or fact checking.
The next day he may be on air pointing out that a story is untrue, once you take the time to check the facts.
I have seen MMFA post story lines about him doing both.
I always thought of myself a conservative. There is no longer anything conservative about the GOP. I read the Bible daily. There is no longer anything Christian about the Christian Right. There is nothing right about the right. All the talk about fascism and socialism and which party wanting to torture people, wire tap people, send jobs to Communist China. Hitler's first move was to destroy unions and make it a Christian only nation. Now we have the closest thing to brown shirts at the town halls bullies walking around armed. Heckling people in wheel chairs. Obvious who will be the first in the ovens with these people. I have hated comparing anyone to the Nazi regime, it is a insult to what my father fought against. The more I look at what is happening, they are following exactly the same line. Now they want to take the kids out of school to re-educate them in the name of protection from the Bolsheviks. Yes, indoctrination IS in full swing from a minority party using tried and true methods to force their will on a democracy. Complete with propaganda ministries and banners. And the backing of international corporations.
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Give 'em hell, Joe!
What has he done so far? He has bailed out the banks and let them go back to business as usual, he has decreased transparency even though he said he'd make government more transparent, he has intensified the war in Afghanistan, he has given up on the public option, he has cut a deal with drug companies to effectively insure their enormous profits for many years to come, he has ignored habeas corpus, etc. Do Republican's fault him on those things? No, they complain that he is indoctrinating the youth with a "stay in school speech" and is planning on "killing grandma." It's unbelievable. If you are going to be mad at him at least have legitimate complaints.
He was 100% correct.
1989 was a watershed year for the right. They started in earnest going off their rockers when Reagan started feeding them BS, but 1989 they were well on their way to what we see today.
That's not normally true, but it's true when one of the sides is insane. You can't rationally criticize the non-insane party from the perspective of the insane party.
The only legitimate criticism of democrats comes from the left.
Give him some time and the next thing you hear will be the next version of "Death Panels or Bither" nonsense.
He is still a died in the wool repub, he just is smart enough to know that you can only push the crazy stuff so far or so long.
I thought Joe was an evil right wing hack along with the bobble head bleach blonde?
He takes the R's to task and now he's A OK! I love this site!
Thus, no matter who, when someone is spouting crazy stuff, they get called out for it.
If the same person is pointing out others are spouting crazy stuff, then they are used as a data point.
I like to use good ole Chris Matthews as an example.
Some days he is on air going with the flow, just repeating the crazy stuff without any context or fact checking.
The next day he may be on air pointing out that a story is untrue, once you take the time to check the facts.
I have seen MMFA post story lines about him doing both.