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With the Obama's school "controversy," the press gets (willingly) duped again

September 08, 2009 8:58 am ET by Eric Boehlert

Am I the only one feeling a strong sense of deja vu, now that the text of Obama's school address has been released and everyone can confirm the obvious, that not one of the idiotic claims made by the right-wing about how the President of the United States was doing to "indoctrinate" school children was even remotely based on fact? The whole "controversy" was simply concocted by the radical right, and naturally the Beltway press dutifully chronicled the insanity, under the heading of "news."

Why was it "news"? Because "conservative critics" had made a charge (that had no basis in reality). Because "conservative critics," who had no idea what Obama would say to students, had prematurely dreamt up some loony tunes claim about how Obama shouldn't be allowed to urge children to excel in school. And now with the text having been made public (and the damage already done to Obama), critics are shifting into never-mind mode.

The strong sense of been-here/done-this comes from the premature idiocy that surrounded ABC's primetime health care special in June. Prior to the telecast right-wingers, led by the factually allergic Matt Drudge, claimed ABC wouldn't allow critics to ask Obama any questions; that the town hall forum was fixed. Proof of the allegation? There was none. Indeed, critics had no idea what the special would look like. But because "conservative critics" had manufactured out of whole cloth some crazy allegation, the press covered it as news.

And guess what? When the ABC special aired, it was obvious that the allegation of a "fix" was totally bogus. (Duh!) So what did the critics do? They shifted into never-mind mode. In fact, after the ABC forum aired, the same right-wing blogger who claimed critics would be banned by ABC, highlighted all the skeptical questions that had been put to Obama.

As I wrote in June [emphasis added]: 

This is the latest example of a unique brand of media criticism that conservatives have perfected -- the pre-emptive critique. Drudge and company have no idea what the substance of ABC's special will look or sound like, but they've already decided it's a crime against journalism.

With the current school "controversy," the right-wing simply adopted its time-honored pre-emptive critique of the press and adopted it for the real world. i.e. They had no idea what Obama would say to school children, but they decided it would be evil. Just like they decided, based on nothing, that ABC's special would be evil. In both cases the press played along, and in both cases the right-wing allegations turned out to be completely bogus.

Question No. 1: How many more times is the press going to get duped?

Question No. 2: How many elite media pundits will step up and denounce the transparent insanity of the school "controversy" now that even its ring leaders concede it was bogus?

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    • Author by epkklk851 (September 08, 2009 9:20 am ET)
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      When I was a kid, I participated in a model Presidential nomination convention put on by a High School in Oregon, people like Jerry Brown, Morris Udall, Jimmy Carter, Frank Church, Ronald Reagan, and George Bush. I attended two of them, which explains the different political parties, and because I worked for the host teacher, I was on the stage and sat near all of these speakers. My parents didn't give permission and I was thrilled to listen to them speak, even the ones I didn't like or agree with (Reagan, Bush) and I think other students should get this chance, too. What is wrong with President speaking to students about the importance about staying in school, getting good grades, and being a better person? Evil Communist/Fascist propoganda if you ask me.
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      • Author by pointofview (September 08, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
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        This pretty much says it all

        When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
        By: Byron York
        Chief Political Correspondent
        09/08/09 7:11 AM EDT

        http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

        The dems always have a double standard close at hand!!
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        • Author by Victor Colorado (September 08, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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          That's weird, I copied and pasted that article and found no mention of any reports of unease and fear of GHWB having access to to school kids. It's probably because he was such a nice man.
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          • Author by wzwriter (September 08, 2009 1:22 pm ET)
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            That's weird, I copied and pasted that article and found no mention of any reports of unease and fear of GHWB having access to to school kids. It's probably because he was such a nice man.

            Actually, Victor, it was because you read the article objectively, while POV looks at the world through his right-leaning skewed sense of reality. His view is about as distorted as a fun house mirror.
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          • Author by highliter (September 08, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
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            the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported

            "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

            The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High

            Did you miss these quotes in the article.

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              • Author by Victor Colorado (September 08, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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                Inject race if you must but - again - there were no reports of fear of GHWB having access to to school kids. None.
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              • Author by snoopy (September 08, 2009 3:00 pm ET)
                   
                an angry racist calling someone who disagrees with him an angry racist. Is that you, Glen?
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                • Author by wzwriter (September 08, 2009 3:51 pm ET)
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                  Methinks the laundry put too much starch in POV's sheets the last time he had them cleaned......

                  [http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/hatred-2.jpg]
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              • Author by wzwriter (September 08, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
                   
                Actually, POV, I'm thoughtful and intelligent. You, OTOH, are a wingnut and a fool.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (September 08, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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              >>the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit.

              Which is fair criticism. No one accused Bush of "indoctrinating" the children with "socialists" propaganda.
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            • Author by funnymanpants (September 08, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
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              From your article comes this gem:

              "That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it 'cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters.'"

              This is legitimate criticism, whether you agree with it or not. Obviously, if the president is cutting funding for schools and then giving a speech, the NEA (which is hardly a Democratic ally, by the way) should protest.
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        • Author by Sara Bellum (September 08, 2009 2:41 pm ET)
             
          However, they were protesting against the money that was being spent on such a speech rather than saying Bush was trying to indoctrinate children. Slight difference there but nice try though!
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        • Author by kb2440 (September 09, 2009 1:34 am ET)
             
          Nice try. It's always convenient to leave out a few facts isn't it? Bush sr speech was given in October, about a month before the election. THAT was the reason that the DNC protested it aand requested that an investigation be held. nd there were no proitests PRIOR to that said anything about Bush on a personal level, such as "beware the scary Black man comming to get yer chilluns"
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        • Author by jediknight65 (September 09, 2009 9:13 am ET)
             
          yes and grade school logic is how we should be debating each other.

          "well they did it first!" keep up your whining.

          i don't have a problem with the speech the president gave yesterday. and ya know what. the fact that the first president bush gave a similar speech, i have no problem with. though at the time i was in grade school. even had i been able to watch it, i probably didn't care to really pay attention. if i could go back in time. i wouldn't have a problem with any president giving a speech.

          by your logic everything the previous administration has done was in revenge because of clinton beating out poppy bush and everything that was ever accomplished by democratic majorities.

          how's your buddy karl rove doing? how soon are you going to be spitting out the speech was not what was planned to be given, and that it was changed so that the "socialist political agenda" was removed?
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    • Author by mk3872 (September 08, 2009 9:33 am ET)
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      Well put, Eric.

      But please explain to me how this cycle will EVER end when the majority of media in this country is controlled by 2-3 large corporate entities with many of them controlled by Murdoch, a meglamaniac determined to control the message with his lopsided right-wing conservative ideology?
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      • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 11:02 am ET)
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        The fact that you think the majority of the media is conservative is so absurd that I'm speechless. Have ever watched the news (other than Fox) or read a newspaper?
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        • Author by dmacgregor (September 08, 2009 11:41 am ET)
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          I believe mk3872 is right that our media is mostly conservative. But may I respectfully ask both him/her and you to provide some facts to support your beliefs that most of our media is either conservative or liberal?
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        • Author by mk3872 (September 08, 2009 11:42 am ET)
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          Not what I said. Read it again.

          The media in this country is controlled by large corporate entities.

          Perhaps you are saying that means that the media is defacto conservative by nature as are their corporate parents? I would not argue that.

          But to have one of the world's largest media/news orgs (News Corp) with the most-watched cable news show being overwhelming right-wing conservative based on their leader's ideals is not a good thing for journalism.
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          • Author by dmacgregor (September 08, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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            I know it isn't what you said but I believe the large corporate entities benefit from and thus mostly support the conservative ideaology.
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        • Author by snoopy (September 08, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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          Wow, and that's just your bachelor's degree that you brag about speaking. Imagine what you could say when you brag about a master's degree!
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        • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 08, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
             
          I love the claims that there is a liberal media bias. That is only because those not listening to Fox News or The Drudge Report, or any other conservative news outlet must be liberal.

          Just because another news network may not pick up on a story perpetuated by the right-wing does not mean they are pro-Obama. There is good news and bad news, and fabricating stories or establishing fact before the fact is not journalism at all, but is more like starting a forest fire and leaving the scene.

          I heard many coworkers complain that Obama had no right to speak with school children, but then when told about previous presidents meeting with school children, the response was all the same - "This is different."

          The same goes for Glenn Beck's conspiracies. When I mention statements made by Beck himself, or complete text of speeches that he cites out of context, the response is "But his is real... nota conspiracy."

          Indoctrination anyone?
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        • Author by achrispage6992 (September 08, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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          The fact that you think the majority of the media is conservative is so absurd that I'm speechless. Have ever watched the news (other than Fox) or read a newspaper?

          Here is the problem with your logic stark. You point to watching the news (other than Fox) and reading a newspaper as evidence of liberal bias. You never even attempt to give a specific example of how each one propogates liberal bias. Secondly, if it is your contention that bias is wrong, then isn't it just as wrong for FOX to use conservative bias? Thirdly, this argument of bias that comes from the right seems to be based on the notion that any news story that isn't favorable to conservative ideology is somehow biased. Just because NBC, ABC or CBS, doesn't tout conservative ideology doens't mean they are bastions of liberal thought sir. For once I would really like for you or any conservative to give a specific example of a hard news story from any of the three networks which is glaringly biased toward liberals.

          Stop pointing to FOX as anything different than what you accuse others of being. Let's be honest, out of a 16 hour news day on FOX how much time is spent doing hard news as opposed how much time is spent having conservative mouthpieces propogate their ideology on a network which labels itself "Fair and Balanced?" Think about it, how dishonest can one be?
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        • Author by jediknight65 (September 09, 2009 9:16 am ET)
             
          the fact that the msm picked up on this bull crap about the speech is evidence that you are wrong. but there is a reason for that. when bush 43 was in power and demonized anyone and everyone who disagreed with him. the media slowly grew afraid of being called unpatriotic.

          but you are right that the majority of the media isnt conservative. its just afraid of the conservative media shouting loudly. (fox news, wash times, wsj just to name a few outlets)
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      • Author by gmohandasa (September 08, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
           
        I hate to be another conspiracy theorist here but I really think Rupert Murdoch is a real life Charles Foster Kane. I wish he would get more attention and blame than he does. It seems like he's the one pulling the strings behind FOX news and all of the news papers he owns. The WSJ and the like are just a joke now.
        Rupert = enemy of democracy

        Chairman Rockefeller's Opening Statement on Future of Journalism Hearing
        "For centuries, journalism has been a pillar of our democracy and a watchdog the public relies on. Newspapers and broadcasters have been a check on the excesses of government, business and individuals. When investigatory journalists have uncovered truths and scandals, their work has often brought people together, motivated the public to be guided by our better angels, and push for change. But more than that, on a daily basis, dedicated reporters work around the clock to filter the news gems from the dross, and provide us with the knowledge we need to conduct our lives as well-informed citizens. Put simply, good journalism is vital to our democracy."
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        • Author by jediknight65 (September 09, 2009 9:21 am ET)
             
          the real life charles foster kane was none other than the predecessor of rupert as "the man who owns the news" was none other than William Randolph Hearst.

          there is a wonderful movie that explores the developement of citizen kane.

          its called RKO 281 starring leiv schriber and john malkovich.
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    • Author by MickD (September 08, 2009 9:34 am ET)
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      The mainstream media takes the bait every time because its good, juicy news. The Repub propagandists know this and that's why they sit in a room with Obama's schedule in front of them wondering where the next opportunity will come from.

      Unless the media calls out this tripe or ignores it, it's gonna happen again and again.

      The Repubs cannot gain power from ideas, they can only gain power through fear.
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    • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 9:43 am ET)
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      And, I saw a story today, that the GOP Chair from Florida, who was talking about indoctrination and socialist agenda last week, after reading the speech, has changed his tune of course. Which doens't negate his crazy lunacy from last week.
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      • Author by epkklk851 (September 08, 2009 9:49 am ET)
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        I say, record it and put it in a campaign ad against him if he runs again. I love it when candidates shoot themselves in the foot, even better when it comes back and kicks them again.
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      • Author by worrierking (September 08, 2009 9:57 am ET)
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        Wingnuts pull the emergency cord to stop the crazy train whenever they need to appeal to a broader audience. A good example is St. Rudy of 9/11.

        Give the guy a week or so and he'll be back on board blowing the whistle as he drives through some red state backwater.
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      • Author by jediknight65 (September 08, 2009 11:03 am ET)
           
        by tomorrow he will have flipped back because the neo cons will come after him.
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    • Author by Victor Colorado (September 08, 2009 9:54 am ET)
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      MSM pits Americans against each other. The election of President Obama was stunning. Media's insane efforts to bring him down are equally stunning. MSM rubber stamped the last President's lies into an un-winnable war that ended tens of thousands of lives; six years later they report news of widespread opposition to this President's message to kids to work hard and stay and school. My outrage is absolutely beyond words.
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    • Author by NG_Officer (September 08, 2009 10:07 am ET)
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      Once I saw that the text had been released, I told my wife it would not be long until some right-winger made the claim that THIS speech isn't the original; that it had been changed because of the controversy. I flipped to FoxNews and Rick Santorum (on Megyn Kelly’s show) obliged.
      Unfortunately, I could not find the clip, but he actually said that he believes the speech was replaced with one that had no socialist rhetoric.
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      • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (September 08, 2009 10:17 am ET)
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        "They've changed the speech" was entirely predictable just like you said. I am sure El Rushbo and Hannity will regurgitate the same nonsense later today, then more of the nonsense tonight on Fox Noise.

        The "original" speech may just show up on some right wing crackpot website.
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        • Author by John Paradox (September 08, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
             
          Found, no doubt by Orly Taitz.....
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        • Author by jediknight65 (September 09, 2009 9:23 am ET)
             
          yeah and the dark overlord himself karl rove came out and said it. so you can be sure that will be the next talking points for a few weeks
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 08, 2009 10:25 am ET)
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        NG, I didn't see that, but another spin to distract from the past weeks hysteria. Newt Gingrich on Fox a few minutes ago, saying the speech is ok with him, and if Obama would adopt the tone of the school speech with his speeches to America , the country would be better off.

        Also, I've seen some funny stuff on Facebook over the last week. For anybody who's not familiar with these social networking sites, there are a load of quizzes and polls online, and peoples responses show up on a users home page.

        Somebody is putting out polls based on leading questions and imaginary events. I've seen " Is Obama turning the U.S. into a Socialist country? (Yes, no, or don't know)", "Should Obama get a national holiday simply for being the first black prez, regardless of his performance in office?", and most recently "Should children be forced to listen to Obama's speech without parental consent?", to which a friend-of-a-friend rsponded "no", with an added "HELL NO!!' in the comment box.

        Boehlert sums it up nicely with the "Never mind mode". These right wing yakkers and pundints don't hold themselves to any higher standard than the average wingnut website troll. Twist & scream, throw some stuff at the wall, try to direct the discussion towards hallucinations.When it all fizzles out, just move on to the next panic.

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        • Author by jediknight65 (September 08, 2009 11:04 am ET)
             
          problem is col. idk what there is left for them. with this, they truly dredged the bottom of the barrel and the only place for them left to go is to begin making openly racist remarks.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 08, 2009 11:18 am ET)
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            ...idk what there is left for them...

            That's the thing, Jedi. As long as the media coddles the nuts, and lets every failed crazy crusade fall into the memory hole, they never need to come up with anything new. The right has been recycling the same un-American/ communist/socialist themes for half a century.

            They only need to get some positive reinforcement occasionally (see Van Jones) to convince themselves they're doing something right. They have an uncanny ability (aided by the media) to forget everything except what they want to remember.
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            • Author by jediknight65 (September 08, 2009 12:20 pm ET)
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              but this school speech thing was truly sick. i didn't think it was possible for them to sink any lower.
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              • Author by snoopy (September 08, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
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                rest assured they will yet again amaze us with their willingness to go even deeper into the sewer.
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                • Author by jediknight65 (September 09, 2009 9:24 am ET)
                     
                  what's amazing is that im a part of the republican party and im just truly sickened by this. a apolitical thing like education gets made into the latest firestorm
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        • Author by John Paradox (September 08, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
             
          " Is Obama turning the U.S. into a Socialist country? (Yes, no, or don't know)",

          Sounds a lot like the official RNC polls I've put online:
          2009 Obama Agenda Survey, State of the Republican Party Survey and Congressional District Census. (all 3, scroll for each at: Polls via dittobuster.com click on blog
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          • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
               
            I had a friend of mine posted one of those polls the other day. The question was: Would you vote for Sarah Palin for President in 2012.

            His answer, resoundingly YES!!!!

            His reasoning: Because she never lies, does what she says she's going to do, and is trustworthy to get the job done.

            I had to respond about her quitting her job before she finished it, the lies about death panels, and her ethics charges in Alaska brought forth by Republicans.

            He didn't like my response so much.
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            • Author by open_mind (September 08, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
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              I am glad you did that Mag. The only way for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing. Many of these silly right-wing ideas/myths become mainstream without knowledgeable opposition.
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            • Author by starkcr31 (September 08, 2009 3:05 pm ET)
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              I'm not disagreeing with you about Palin. However, everything you described can be applied to Obama, so what's the difference?
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              • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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                What in the world are you talking about again?

                What job did Obama quit (other than the Senate when he was elected President)?

                What lies has Obama told about death panels? Let me help you, there are none.

                What ethics charges have been laid against Obama? None.

                Your comment makes no sense.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (September 09, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
                     
                  "Because she never lies, does what she says she's going to do, and is trustworthy to get the job done."

                  That can certainly be applied to Obama.
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              • Author by jediknight65 (September 09, 2009 9:28 am ET)
                   
                what do you mean?

                what lies have been perpetuated by the president? well there was a few promises he made that he has not come through on yet. but there is still time.

                now as for the neo con repuke party? well they lie from both ends of their mouths out all sides of their multiple faces and their backsides.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (September 09, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
                     
                  Yeah, democrats never lie, do they? I mean Clinton only committed perjury and Pelosi lied to congress about her knowledge about CIA interrogation techniques, but that's no big deal is it?
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 08, 2009 3:42 pm ET)
               
            Holy cow, John, is that for real? I was chuckling along, thinking I was reading a Colbert-style spoof. Please tell me that's a joke.

            But the questions I've seen in the Facebook polls are very close to that, may be where they got them.
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            • Author by jediknight65 (September 09, 2009 9:32 am ET)
                 
              i especially enjoyed the questioned about greatest weaknesses.

              especially the one bubble that said "republicans didn't vote liek republicans"

              guilty as charged and proud of it. ive already sent a letter to michael steele expressing my gripes with the party. i doubt ill get a true response if one at all
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        • Author by ex-punk (September 09, 2009 2:31 am ET)
             
          Someone with more time than I have should investigate this. I've read that Sarah Palin is polling on face book. These questions all have a conservative slant, often without a logical answer.
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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        I was thinking that same thing myself this morning, or this weekend. How long it would be before we had people on the TV squaking about how "this" speech was NOT the original speech, of course, of which proof they have ZERO. I'm sure we'll hear that refrain for the rest of this week, yet, provoking another mock outrage at Obama.

        I can hear it now, "SEE ladies and gentlemen, he had to change his original speech because of the PRESSURE we have put on him."

        And so on. It's utterly and completely predictable, and meanwhile, we'll have the rest of the MSM falling over themselves to not say anything bad about the stupid conservatives who were pushing this meme last week, because they'd never want to appear like they're liberally biased.
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        • Author by political_left-religious_right (September 08, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
             
          Exactly right, Mags. I heard this very nonsense from WJR's Paul W. Smith (who has subbed for Limbaugh--enough said). He insisted that Obama's speech had changed greatly, and congratulated himself and his lemmings for "putting pressure" on Obama to do so.

          I only wish it were a "never mind" situation. At least then the neocons wouldn't be pretending to have earned some kind of victory through their foolish paranoid fantasies.
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        • Author by political_left-religious_right (September 08, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
             
          Exactly right, Mags. I heard this very nonsense from WJR's Paul W. Smith (who has subbed for Limbaugh--enough said). He insisted that Obama's speech had changed greatly, and congratulated himself and his lemmings for "putting pressure" on Obama to do so.

          I only wish it were a "never mind" situation. At least then the neocons wouldn't be pretending to have earned some kind of victory through their foolish paranoid fantasies.
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      • Author by wookie (September 08, 2009 11:30 am ET)
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        The "surrender Earthlings, resistance is futile" speech was polling badly so he will do the stay in school one.
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 08, 2009 3:49 pm ET)
             
          Har! Careful, Wookie, onr of the visiting Freepers will be copying and pasting your post as evidence.

          I had the pleasure of hearing Boss Hogg Limbaugh's drug-addled take on the speech;

          ***It was a conservative message about personal responsibility, and included references to God, and it would have been slammed by the media if delivered by a Republican.

          *** It was a joke, and the exact opposite of what Obama believes, but his supporters know that.

          I'm not sure how this second part works, a president goes out and gives a speech that is promoting everything he doesn't believe, to influence future generations to support values he hates... or something. And those who agree with him can read between the lines, and know that he means the exact opposite.

          OK, that's enough trying to make sense of Limbaugh for now, I'm starting to feel like I'm on drugs.
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          • Author by jediknight65 (September 09, 2009 9:33 am ET)
               
            but its limbaugh. so he doesn't have to make any sense. especially when he contradicts himself
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 09, 2009 11:22 am ET)
                 
              That's why I listen to his show whenever I have a chance. Fascinating how often he contradicts himself within minutes, and how he can "explain" every possible outcome of any event as supporting his dogma.

              Not fascinating that he engages in all of these transparent twists and turns of logic and truth, but that his dittobots will call in and tell him how enthusiastically they agree with all of it, ignoring that it's impossible to agree with all of it without a complete detachment from reality and logic.
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      • Author by jediknight65 (September 09, 2009 9:22 am ET)
           
        and that is why rick santorum is no longer my senator and why i did not vote for him
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    • Author by vwcat (September 08, 2009 10:46 am ET)
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      the media will continue to do so because the rightwing knows what the media laps up. the shiny object of drama, conflict and sound bites.
      Facts are just so boring and not 'sexy' enough for the so-called news these days.
      It really doesn't matter that this irresponsible way of doing news now does damage to someone as long as it hypes up the gossip and the ratings.
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    • Author by jediknight65 (September 08, 2009 11:01 am ET)
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      this whole controversy was crap from the beginning and the fact that it was given a forum to begin with is disgusting. this should not have been an issue to begin with.
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      • Author by fishergirlusmc (September 08, 2009 11:30 am ET)
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        When George HW Bush spoke to the Alice Deal JHS didn't Dick Gephartd denounce this speech and call for hearings as to why the GAO was using the DOE for producing paid political ads for the president? I wonder how MMFA could have forgotten this. I don't think most people mind that ANY president adresses students, I think the anger came over the LESSON PLAN that the DOE was trying to push.
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        • Author by NG_Officer (September 08, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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          1. Wow, one article in WaPo about Gephardt denouncing the speech. This does not equate to faux-controversy of Obama’s speech.
          2. The "LESSON PLAN" has suggestions, all using language like:
          Teachers can build...
          Teachers can ask...
          Students could record questions...
          Students could discuss...
          Nowhere does it state that the teacher MUST follow the lesson plan.
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          • Author by fishergirlusmc (September 08, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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            Gephardt did not just denounce the speech, he called for hearings about it. At the time he was one of the leaders of the democratic Party.
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            • Author by NG_Officer (September 08, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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              And it got how much media attention?
              Did the hearings take place?
              Get over your faux outrage...
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            • Author by jediknight65 (September 08, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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              and were there hearings about it? no.

              was there an investigation? no

              hmmm funny how there is no so much outrage when our current president wants to speak to students. and there was barely a perceptible peep from people who disagreed with it.

              oh the hypocrisies continue.
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            • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
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              And guess what? He was wrong to do that.

              And again, false equivalency alert. When did the so called liberal media jump on board and start talking about Bush indoctrinating kids? When did they start yelping about the President somehow subverting our children and that parents were "scared" that Bush was going to talk to our kids?

              Never happened.

              Again, where was the large scale outrage we've seen with the Obama speech compared to one guy talking about?
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        • Author by Victor Colorado (September 08, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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          The anger is coming from white people who don't respect our black president. They didn't vote for him and they don't think he has a right to talk to their kids. For crying out loud, stop embarrassing yourself.
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          • Author by snoopy (September 08, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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            They are just getting started, vic. Expect even more insane stupidity from the right...

            http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/another-beckian-mom-speaks-out-again
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            • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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              This was satire Snoop, although in the comments section there, as someone else wrote, it's getting hard to tell the satire from the real stuff.

              I did hear an interview this weekend where a "concerned" Mom said she didn't want her kids to hear the speech regardless of what was in it, because she believed that there was going to be subliminal messages in it from Obama.

              True story.
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          • Author by pointofview (September 08, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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            As usual, it has nothing to do with race.

            http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html
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            • Author by Victor Colorado (September 08, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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              Why post it twice? It wasn't related up thread and it's not related here. Complaining of how taxpayer money is spent has absolutely NOTHING to do with the outcry over President Obama urging kids to study and stay in school. There has been no reporting of a possible misuse of funds - it's all about some insane and creepy fear of Obama talking to kids. Think before you post, Pointy.
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              • Author by snoopy (September 08, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
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                He posted it more than once because repetition is how rightwingers make something sound like a fact. It only works in one direction though, because proving them wrong over and over again never sinks in.
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                • Author by Victor Colorado (September 08, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
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                  http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

                  http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

                  http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

                  Holy, crap, look how much truthier it just got!!!
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                  • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
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                    False equivalency alert!

                    As the rest of you have said, there is nothing to suggest that GHW Bush shouldn't have been talking to the kids, there weren't parents pulling their kids from class, Bush wasn't accused of being Mao-ist, or representing the viewpoint of North Korea or Hitler when he talked to the kids.

                    And if the outcry was so loud for Bush, how come the only outcry we hear about it is the same story about Gephardt talking about?

                    And guess what? Dick was wrong.

                    Now, if someone wanted to question the use of taxpayer money for Obama to give this speech, that's a rational point of view, and or a legit question to ask. And I believe there were a few folks out there who asked this same question, but they were overridden by the screachers talking about stalinism, socialism, and the fascist tones in the speech (that didn't exist).
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                    • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 08, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
                         
                      But it looks like the wingnut zombies have been given their marching orders for the day.

                      I don't really care that it works on them, they're too far gone, it's just insulting that they still post this pap here.

                      Some have been doing it for years, making laughing stocks of themselves over and over, yet they continue to go to the same sources, and continue to believe that the idiocy they swallow is eventually going to fool those who show on a regular basis that they see right through it.

                      It's like watching dogs walking into those invisible electric fences, except the dogs tend to learn something.
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                    • Author by foghornleghorn (September 09, 2009 10:05 am ET)
                         
                      Now, if someone wanted to question the use of taxpayer money for Obama to give this speech, that's a rational point of view,

                      I disagree. The whole "outrage" over government spending recently, like it hasn't been going on since the dawn of our country, is simply more teabagger whining about the black man spending the white man's tax money.

                      And heaven forbid, you spend it on encouraging kids to stay in school and set goals and work hard.
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          • Author by fishergirlusmc (September 08, 2009 2:40 pm ET)
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            Victor,
            Millions of white people voted for Obama. He could not have won the election if whites did not vote for him. Why do you always pull the race card? YOU are the only one who mentions race. If people disagree with the president, it does not make them racist. And by the way he is NOT black. He happens to be mixed race.
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            • Author by Victor Colorado (September 08, 2009 2:50 pm ET)
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              But I'm talking about the white people who didn't vote for Obama because he was too "inexperienced", the white people who now refuse to let him give a speech to their kids because he's too "socialist". They have no respect for the President of the US and I have no respect for them. Race is playing a part in their lunacy. It's AMAZING to me that people can pretend that it's not.















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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 08, 2009 4:02 pm ET)
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                Wow. It just gets better and better. The fact that Obama has millions of white supporters offered as definitive proof that the Obama-haters can't possibly be racist.

                I'm stunned that I can still be stunned by you dittobots.
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            • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 3:26 pm ET)
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              He is black because that's what his appearance is on the outside. If you were to take him, place him into a room and nobody knew him, and asked if he were black, people would say, he's black.

              It goes back to the old "one drop" rule of the South. One drop of black blood makes you black.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 08, 2009 4:06 pm ET)
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                Mag, I heard somebody of mixed race put it pretty neatly (may have even been Obama, can't recall) when asked why people tend to self-identify with the minority side.

                It was a comment about trying to flag down a taxi at night, and made the whole "half-black" theme seem painfully ignorant.

                Not that we won't see some more brilliant cons mention here that Obama is only half-black to help them feel better and ignore their problem.
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            • Author by Victor Colorado (September 08, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
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              By the way, fishergirlusmc,

              POV insists the fear fest over Obama talking to school kids has nothing to do with race and I insist race is definitely playing a part. Why specifically do you side with POV?
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              • Author by fishergirlusmc (September 08, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
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                I answered YOUR post Victor which said that whites were disrespecting the President because he's black. I hope our country is way passed that. Are there still racists amongst us, absolutely but you seem to think any critism of the President is racist. This country has been critical of every single president we've ever had and race never played a part. As I stated, I think people were upset about the lesson plan that the DOE had put forth.
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                • Author by Victor Colorado (September 08, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
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                  I "seem" to think any criticism of the President is racist because you "seem" to only chime in when I'm pointing out the criticism that smacks of racism. Parental fear of President Obama having "unfettered access" to schoolchildren (MY GOD, NO!!!!!!!!) has, in my humble opinion, a racist flavor to it. I'll ask you once more: Do you side w/ POV who insists that the fear fest over Obama talking to school kids has nothing to do with race?
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                  • Author by fishergirlusmc (September 08, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
                       
                    During the Presidential Inauguration almost every school in the nation showed it to their students. I'm sure some parents may feel the way you say [God Help Them] but I believe it was about the lesson plan that the flames were fanned. If George Bush spoke to our kids and then the DOE had a lesson plan on how we can help GWB and what does GWB expect from me, I hope parents would be outraged. I personally have no problem with the President speaking with children, he should do it more often. God knows were turning out dummies any help is welcome.
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                    • Author by Victor Colorado (September 08, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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                      The freak out that I've seen reported has NOTHING to do with a lesson plan and EVERYTHING to do with him having access to and giving a speech to kids. It was about the speech, not some lesson plan. A bunch of schools refused to air his SPEECH. You can pretend it's about a lesson plan, though. Heck, you can even pretend the reason that only white parents protested and refused to have their kids hear the speech was because he's a "socialist." It's fun to pretend.
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                      • Author by genyus (September 08, 2009 10:29 pm ET)
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                        What's wrong with a lesson plan? Any speech given by any president is, by default, a historical event and worthy of study and analysis. Vic is right that this has been about the speech. The lesson plan issue just popped up in recent hours, but no one has explained what is wrong with it. This lesson plan issue reeks of deflection from what increasingly appears to be an embarassing pre-emptive criticism of what turned out to be a speech that many of the early critics now feel was worthy.
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                    • Author by funnymanpants (September 09, 2009 12:27 am ET)
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                      >>but I believe it was about the lesson plan

                      What a poor excuse! This is just a right-wing talking point. The outcry started before the lesson plans were even available, and the criticism did not focus on the lesson plans. You keep ignoring that.

                      Further, in 1991, when Bush 1 gave his speech, he asked the students "Tell me what you can do to help me reach my goals." So the outrage about the lesson plans is also fake.
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (September 09, 2009 10:09 am ET)
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                  This country has been critical of every single president we've ever had and race never played a part. - fishergirl

                  In case you missed it, we've never had a black president before.

                  FAIL.

                  Ever hear these "criticisms" before?

                  Cue the crying town hall teabagger: "I want my country back" (from the black man). Or - "This isn't the country I remember" (due to the black man being in the White House).
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        • Author by jediknight65 (September 08, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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          yeah and did anything come of that?.....don't think so.

          no hearings, nothing. aklot of smoke and mirrors unlike this.

          in fact i remember that speech bush 41 made. i was in school at the time. and i dont recall any parent even daring to suggest they would keep their kid home from school that day.

          the problem is that the same respect afforded to previous presidents does not exist.

          the side that you support will do anything and everything, to derail our president. that is where my anger lies.

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        • Author by funnymanpants (September 08, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
             
          >>When George HW Bush spoke to the Alice Deal JHS didn't Dick Gephartd denounce this speech and call for hearings as to why the GAO was using the DOE for producing paid political ads for the president? ...I think the anger came over the LESSON PLAN that the DOE was trying to push.

          The criticism of Bush was valid (though stupid). The Dems criticized the Bush for misusing funds. No one called accused him of "indoctrinating" children with "socialist" propaganda. No one accused the president of recruiting youth the way Hitler did.

          This criticism has nothing to do with the "lesson plan," so stop repeating Rush talking points. The lesson plans were innocuous, calling for students to write letters on how to help the president. Students do this all the time. And if it was really the lesson plans, then why didn't the right wing focus on what was wrong with the lesson plans instead of resorting to hyperbolic vitriol, which polifactcheck ruled a pants on fire lie?

          Has anyone else noticed how the right has suddenly shifter their argument? All along it has been that Obama was "indoctrinating" our children. Now it is "Well, the Dems did it too!"
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    • Author by VA321 (September 08, 2009 11:20 am ET)
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      I think it's very telling that Obama has found a way to make the kids' first day of school all about him. He's no dummy-he's brilliant, and he knew darn well this would dominate the news and kids' first day of school-anyone want to refute that? If you do, you're admitting he and his advisors were too stupid to know it would be the top news story.
      Side note - read the transcript and count the number of times he says "I" and compare it to any Reagan or Clinton speech-at least those presidents knew it was about the audience or topic at hand, not themselves.
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 08, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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        No, it's not telling. Obama wanted to encourage kids to stay in school, and do well. It's about them, no matter how many times he says "I" in it. He also didn't think this would monopolize the news cycles, the stoopid people who decided to make this an "issue" were the ones who made sure that happened.

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      • Author by National_Insecurity (September 08, 2009 4:59 pm ET)
           
        That's the best you can do?

        Suggesting a motivational speech to students would lead the news when public debate is about our $2.5 trillion a year health care industry is beyond irrational. He'd be lucky to get 7 seconds. Would more than 7 seconds of Bush 43's reading of "My Pet Goat" have ever made the news on a normal news day?

        Counting the number of words is meaningful? (I know you didn't count them yourself, you found this on another blog, didn't you?) Did you actually read/watch the speech? It was autobiographical in referring to his experience as a sometimes lazy student with other interests than studying - what other pronoun do you use if not "I" in an autobiography? If you were a high school sophomore you'd get a D for analysis.

        But I'm assuming you've at least obtained your GED, so I'll give you an F. You'll never get a gig with Drudge or FauxNews, much less AEI or Heritage. Stick with you day job.

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    • Author by shaggles (September 08, 2009 11:27 am ET)
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      Eric nailed it. Every time they mentioned this speech on the news this holiday weekend it was described as "controversial." What's controversial about it? Telling kids to study hard and stay in school? Just because a bunch of cons are jumping up and down and screaming about it doesn't mean it is controversial. Maybe the media should spend a little time examining the motive of the Reps.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 08, 2009 4:13 pm ET)
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        Shaggles, I heard a report on the radio (one of the wingnut stations, in the between-show news bites), after-the-fact, reporting that Obama had already given the speech. Last line of the report (paraphrased as closely as I can remember it); The speech was controversial, as many predicted it would be used to promote Obama's policies.

        Even after all of their paranoid predictions fell flat, they still have no problem reporting that the speech was controversial, but can't mention that it was only controversial because they're right wing lunatics.
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    • Author by alienofwar (September 08, 2009 11:51 am ET)
         
      You know, if rhetoric like this came from an independent political party, than I doubt the media would pay much attention...but because many Republicans actually believe this, the media thinks it is important to report. So, just because it's popular....it's some how newsworthy.

      We really need to strengthen the public news media in this country so that Americans have a source of REAL news that is not influenced by the appetite for profit.
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    • Author by tg10is (September 08, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
         
      Answer to question 1. The press isn't being duped, they are reporting what the right wing owners of the 7 largest news corporations tell them to. Who is being duped? The American public, who continue to swallow the "liberal bias" argument put forth by the same right wing media.

      Answer to question 2. Zero. The right is already claiming victory, insisting that by warning the public of this danger, Obama was forced to CHANGE THE TOPIC.
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    • Author by dewdrop_8171931 (September 08, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
         
      This country is hella pathetic. I cannot believe the fights conservatives chose to start. Oh wait, this is about education and we know how they HATE educated people.
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    • Author by TheAncients (September 08, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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      Was watching ABC national news last night - piece on Obama talking to the kids.

      Started off mentioning the "controversy", and how some redneck FL congressman changed his mind about the speech from "socialist indoctrination" to "guess it's OK" after the WH released the text.

      So the "roving" reporter finishes up by saying, "President Obama came into office promising to reach across the isle and deal with the opposition. So far, the President gets a failing grade."

      The Liberal Media in action...

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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (September 09, 2009 12:10 pm ET)
           
        Unbelievable, isn't it? The president gives an entirely non-controversial speech, says exactly what he promised to say weeks before, and his opposition claim that he failed and that they instead earned some kind of victory.

        Obama has reached across the aisle, and repeatedly had his hand slapped by the minority party. It's time to start ignoring them altogether, and do what we elected him to do. So what if they treat him viciously? It won't be any different than it is now.
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    • Author by mishelley (September 08, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
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      The sad thing here is that at the public school I work at about 30-35 students were not allowed to watch the speech and 4 teachers "opted-out" of watching it.


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      • Author by National_Insecurity (September 08, 2009 5:03 pm ET)
           
        It's painfully sad, isn't it?

        If you were to conduct a longitudinal study you'll probably discover how misinformed they are about many topics. I have neighbors who are literally afraid to watch it, and they are severely misinformed about real numbers of health care.
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    • Author by mightymo (September 09, 2009 1:54 am ET)
         
      After reading all the comments to this point...an Out-of-Body (Twilight Zone) feeling came over me.

      OMG We're all being played...USED! Us, down here in the trenches, The Left and the Right, the Fringies on both sides, et al.!

      STOP, step back and look up toward the highest reaches of our society; look to your left and then to your right...what do you see? Our handlers, looking down with amusement. "OK" says the One to the Other, Get your side ginned up, its your turn to keep these fools distracted." "Bottom line comes first, ya know!"

      ...quess its past my bedtime %(
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