Scarborough: "Whoever shouted out that the president was lying is a dumbass"
September 09, 2009 9:01 pm ET by Media Matters staff
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I hope someone has ID'ed this giant POS scumbag, dumba** loser, pr*ck, hick, terrorist, filthy kkkonservative subhuman filth.
South Carolina Republican Rep. Joe Wilson shouted "You lie!" after Obama had talked about illegal immigrants.
http://joewilson.house.gov/
But squirm, he did.
The difference was, the Democrats that did the shouting were in a "protest zone" or pre-screened from getting in the event. Bush never was subjected to any shouting. The insular president, indeed.
FALSE EQUIVALENCY ALERT
Failed analogy...how shocking from the terrorist reich-wing.
I remember that Cindy Sheehan wore a T-shirt reading "2,245 Dead. How many more?" to Bush's State of the Union address in 2006 and was removed and arrested by Capitol Police over it. But no shouting, and definitely not by members of Congress.
Code Pink shouted during the SOTU at least twice.
Hey um... funny guy
Not the same thing, unless your a right-wing thug!
The comparison can not be made, except by a child!
You are a fool for even trying to claim this to be at the same level!
How can I say this...
CODE PINK IS NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL... REP. JOE WILSON (R-SC) .... ---> IS <---
I thought it was a SOTU, but one of our esteemed colleagues disagreed, so I may be wrong about that. It WAS a presidential address though that was interrupted twice.
Someone wrote "Bush never was subjected to any shouting" and Tbone pointed out that Code Pink shouted at Bush.
That doesn't sound like he was trying to make a false equivalency between an elected rep and protesters in the gallery. He simply noted that someone did shout at Bush.
BTW during the '05 SOTU Bush was booed by Dems. It stunk then and it stinks now.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200502040014
Many hosts and pundits suggested the Democrats' reaction was the first of its kind:
TED KOPPEL (ABC host): When the president talked about the bankruptcy of Social Security, there were clearly some Democrats on the floor who thought that that was taking it too far. And they did something that, apparently, no one at this table has ever heard before. They booed. [ABC, Nightline, 2/2/05; Koppel's panel consisted of former Bush adviser Mary Matalin, former Reagan chief of staff Ken Duberstein, and former Clinton speechwriter Michael Waldman]
JOHN ROBERTS (CBS White House correspondent): At a couple points in this address, it looked more like the British Parliament than the United States Congress. I've never heard the minority party shout at the president during the State of the Union address. [CBS, post-speech coverage, 2/2/05]
JOE SCARBOROUGH (former U.S. representative (R-FL) and MSNBC host): After the Democrats booed and hissed, Republicans were on the floor saying, you know, we never once did that to Clinton. So every time he would talk about Social Security, the roars got a little louder. And they got behind their president. [MSNBC, Hardball, 2/2/05]
BOB BARR (former U.S. representative (R-GA) and CNN contributor): It will be a very, very difficult battle as we saw by the unprecedented and, I think, highly improper virtual booing of the president when he simply said that the system is going to be bankrupt and the time is now to fix it. [CNN, Inside Politics, 2/3/05]
JOE WATKINS (radio host and CNN substitute host): Did you hear it? Certainly not the polite protocol usually practiced when a president speaks to Congress. If a Democrat one day delivers a State of the Union address, I hope the Republicans won't lower themselves to such a disrespectful level. I hope last night's behavior by a few lawmakers doesn't set a new precedent, that both parties can agree to remain civil, even when voicing disagreements."
Right after the sppech... I think it was Wolf over at CNN that said those papers were supposedly the rabid right-wings attempt at health care reform...
My guess is that the paper were as full of numbers and information as the papers John Boner... er Boehner held up at that budget conference about 6 months ago?
He says just enough occasional things that make sense to lull us into thinking he's not so bad.
But this is, after all, a guy who worships Pat Buchanan. Joe's as nutty and racist as you suspect most Republicans are.
"The personal, deeply vituperative tone of the debate over healthcare reform seems to suggest that Americans' anger is not just about whether a ``public option'' is part of a reform package. The fear is less about encroaching socialism than it is about getting lost and forgotten in a rapidly changing society. Change isn't slowing down, and the bad news is that these feelings of losing control are not likely to go away any time soon."
From:`Resentment' politics hijacked the right
By: Grebory Rodriguez (posted 9-5-09)
To see complete article (sorry, you'll have to copy/paste),
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/other-views/story/1218579.html
As for Republicans, this at least goes to show that their entire spiel during the Bush years about respecting the "Commander in Chief" and the "war president" was nothing but propaganda.
One need only have watched Maddow's show (and I don't dislike Maddow) and witnessed the parade of liberals trying to defend a speech that was a zero. The democrats are absolutely in disarray.
From Boxer...to Axlerod...to Frank...they stumbled along and stepped on their tongues trying to defend the indefensible.
Healthcare reform...as described by Pres.Obama or his rabid liberal supporters is dead and thank god. Now maybe we can get down to serious discussions about reforming healthcare.
That's obvious from that last two election results.
Definition of radical liberal's plans for reforming healthcare? Easy...see Pelosi.
Yea, keep up the real intelligent posts. Why don't you just go to free republic if you are going to rant and name call?
This is also just my two cents: The Public Option is to health reform as the 2nd Amendment is to the Bill of Rights. It and free speech are what make all the rest of it possible.
Of course, I've been wrong before.
Seriously, Wes, you're kidding, right?
It's not even about his ratings bonanza validating his credibility. Beck's ratings have simply proved the impotence of the attempt to bring him down with an advertiser's boycott.
Since CoC launched their boycott...supported fully by mmfa...Beck's ratings have gone up...with no lack of advertisers...and the summary dismissal of Van Jones.
No, to be precise, you are a Becky worshiper. That's obvious.
Facts and reality are not on your side....as usual. But, we are not surprised coming from you kind.
First, the fact that they're almost always wrong about everything, yet they have this idea that anybody cares what they think, and...
Second, the fact that they're almost always wrong about everything, and they try to make predictions about the mood of the country.
I'm reminded of the first major speech by that nincompoop from Alaska when she was chosen as the GOP VP candidate. I watched her speech, and had such mixed emotions. Pain (from being doubled over with laughter), Shame (that a viable political party in my country had to settle for her, coupled with emails from overseas friends giving me a load of shyte about her), and a peaceful feeling that the Republicans had just handed the election to the Dems with that moronic offering to the lowest rung of the conservative ladder.
Then I logged onto this site, and saw that actual real Americans had watched the same speech, and thought it was totally awesome.
Wingnuts just see what they want to see.
Here's an example from when That goofball from Alaska accepted the nomination ( Sorry, POV, don't mean to pick on you, just the first example I came up with)
The pathetic examples provided by MMFA and the scant role played by Obama in both the state and the US senate really drives the speech of Gov. Palin home. Her speech was extremely well delivered, and demonstrated she has the courage, strength, and experience to be a very capable VP. She hit a home run last night.[url=http://mediamatters.org/research/200809040007](y pointofview September 04, 2008 1:13 pm ET) [/url]
Hahahahahahaha. Whatta sucker.
I'll try that again. Hahahahahaha !!!
by anotheramerican (September 01, 2008 4:03 pm ET)
It'll be very interesting to see how Obama fares against McCain and Palin does against Biden in those debates.
If by "interesting' you mean "kicked their azzes".
BTW, Van Jones was not "dismissed," he quit and he was also not involved in the CoC boycott. Jones left CoC in 2007.
My letters to Beck's advertisers had nothing to do with any organized boycott. I wrote my letters the day after I saw him make his ridiculous statement. It was just the final straw, for me. I've seen this man incite violence and stoke hatred with his lies for many years and I just felt like I had to say something. I wrote his advertisers ON MY OWN and asked them if they really wanted someone like Beck representing their products. No threats, just a question. Apparently, most of them have decided that they don't.
Pres.Obama proved he was a superior campaigner...making great speeches on the stump.
Unfortunately, as a leader he is proving what many thought before...an empty suit when it comes to leading the country or his own political party.
Tonite's speech was miles away from being a Churchill moment...not even close to a president's finest hour...which he sorely needed.
Thank God for that. A Democrat had to rescue that hack.
Churchill had some good moments. Mostly in the 40s, which is where the GOP is stuck. Obama had some moments, they were just a half century ahead of Churchill, pretty confusing to repubs.
Yea, great information here, Wesley. You are really providing some good material that makes me think. Seriously, do you really think that if you post an opinion with some disparaging remarks that it counts as an argument?
I can say I was inmpressed with a speech from a president who can keep his cool and remain calm during his speeches then a former president who blows up over questions or stumbles over his words when talking to reporters or his fellow government members. OOPS I think I just suggested GWB! LOL!
Apparently, he's not. Did you see the poll I posted below?
I think Wesley just likes to act like a troll--do some trash talking without any facts and then disappear.
You are such a partisan hack it is almost funny. In fact, Obama got a 14 point bump amongst people that watched it.
Woops!
The fact that a Republican yelled out "lie" during the Obama speech shows the Republican party is in disarray and health care reform will now pass.
Gee, posting opinions as fact is easy and fun! Let me try again:
The Republicans response was an absolute zero and shows Obama's plan will pass.
Wow that is easy! Thanks for the tip, Wesley!
Two out of three Americans who watched President Barack Obama's health care reform speech Wednesday night favor his health care plans — a 14-point gain among speech-watchers, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation national poll of people who tuned into Obama's address Wednesday night to a joint session of Congress.
link
By the way, you apparently don't even use that pop-reference correctly.
September 2007 by a 341-79 vote, the House passed a resolution condemning the Moveon.org advertisement questioning General Petraeus honesty in his account on the situation of the Iraq War.
Republicans from both Houses had the absolute gall to demand Democrats apologize for this advertisement. Not an advertisement from one of their own elected Officials but from a Liberal organization that supports Democrats more over Republicans!
Are the Dem's going to take to the Floor and demand an apology from Congressman Joe Wilson and all the Republicans for Mr. Wilson calling our President a Liar? Are they going to waste time and money passing a new Bill? Doubtful Democrats tend to be "grown-ups"
Wilson needs to immediately resign and not take his Healthcare or Retirement with him!
His non-apology-apology is pure butt covering BS.
Barack Obama is our President! He certainly deserves more respect then any General, Admrial or frankly, any other Public figure.
While Bush et al declared an unprovoked war in Iraq, no Dem ever spoke in Chamber like this! Code Pinkers were carried out of the House.
Perhaps Dems really do believe more fully in the Constitution, not only when it is convienent for them.
THANK YOU.
njguy93@yahoo.com
THANK YOU.
njguy93@yahoo.com
But I agree that rudeness cuts both ways and that what passes for journalism in the US is either blind or biased. In the past 30 years there has been a rising level of disrespect for the President, beginning with Nixon, of course, but mostly due to class and race polarization of politics and the desperate clawing for power by an incumbent Congress with a "For Life" ticket to ride. Term limits would help correct all of these incivilities.
I personally think the Democrats have been more abusive and rude than the Republicans and that it is high time for someone on the Right to say, "The Emperor is naked!"
Obama is naked because he exposed himself (metaphorically and politically) by not "reaching across the aisle", by ignoring Republican proposals, by letting Nancy and Harry write the bills, and by not having a bill of his own. This White House will be remembered for real incompetence.
And the Republic cannot stand on incompetence.
1) Democrats criticizing Bush in press conferences, interviews, etc., is quite different than shouting out a disrespectful lie in the middle of a JOINT SESSION of Congress. There are rules against that sort of thing.
2) It is not the duty of the president to write legislation, it is the Constitutional duty of Congress. The President may propose, but it's up to Congress to legislate. The President's duties are to set policy and to enforce the laws created by Congress. Republican proposals were not ignored, there very many which were included; however, Republicans' seem to have the idea that a "bipartisan" bill would be a bill that deleted all Democratic proposals and left only their own.