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WaPo's Milbank: Dem. Rep. Green made "fascist salute" to Obama

September 10, 2009 1:10 am ET by Jamison Foser

During President Obama's health care speech Wednesday night, Republican Rep. Joe Wilson yelled out "You lie!" -- an outburst Wilson later apologized for after blistering criticism (not to mention a flurry of online donations to his Democratic opponent.)

Of course, whenever reporters like Dana Milbank note such boorish behavior by a Republican, they must quickly include something some Democrat did so they seem "balanced," even if the Democrat's actions aren't even remotely comparable.  Sure enough, here's Milbank:

And, in truth, there were provocations from the Democratic side. Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.), sitting on the Republican side, insisted on making a victory sign with his hand and waving it at Obama. 

Yeah.  That's the same.  (And "insisted upon"?  Really?  Was there some effort to prevent Pascrell from doing so?)

Milbank, continuing directly:

Rep. Al Green (D-Tex.), also on the GOP side of the aisle, felt the need to pound his fist in the air and make what looked, awkwardly, like a fascist salute.

Um ... What?  "Fascist salute"?  What does that even mean?

Milbank doesn't say.  But it does dovetail nicely with the Right's overheated comparisons of Obama to Hitler and Mao.

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    • Author by ReasonAndResolve (September 10, 2009 1:25 am ET)
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      In fairness to Milibank, Wilson takes the brunt of her criticism in that column.
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      • Author by funnymanpants (September 10, 2009 2:13 am ET)
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        >>In fairness to Milibank, Wilson takes the brunt of her criticism in that column.

        Yes, I agree. The article is highly critical of the Repubs. I can't believe how rudely they acted. Apparently, they have come to believe their own propaganda that Obama is a "socialists," and therefore to be treated with contempt.
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        • Author by jtragos (September 10, 2009 10:29 am ET)
             
          Both you and ReasonAndResolve are giving Millbank better than he deserves. Before he gets to the passage that Jamison quotes, Millbank summarizes the classless conduct of the Republicans aside from Wilson: "There was booing...", "They hissed...", "They grumbled...", "...there was scoffing and outright laughter on the GOP side...", "Several Republicans shouted..."
          That's not Millbank being "highly critical", that's simply reporting. Those behaviors are considered out of bounds and disrespectful. Reactions of support and affirmation such as applause, victory signs, or thumbs up, however, are not.
          One could perhaps make the claim that signs of support by any President's party -- such as standing and applauding every other sentence during the State of the Union speech -- are a covert type of in-your-face to the opposing party, but they are socially accepted behaviors nonetheless. So Millbank attempting to paint those actions as provocative is simply, as Jamison points out, false balance.
          But "provocative" is actually the correct word for Millbanks' use of language in describing both of the Democrats' actions.
          BTW, anytime a Villager prefaces his/her reporting with "And, in truth", as if he/she is about to come clean with something we would all have to agree with if only we could just admit it, you know you're about to be sold a bill of goods. It's an innoculation against criticism; a preemptive, less agressive "You can't handle the truth". When you need to beg agreement before you make your case, you generally don't have one.
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      • Author by WorldViewer (September 10, 2009 9:04 am ET)
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        Dana Milbank is a man. Well, given his recent journalistic track record, he's more of a boy, but he does possess an expressed Y chromosome.
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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 10, 2009 10:23 am ET)
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        Who cares? If she wants to criticise one of her own that's fine. Downright principled in fact, and anyone of any political philosophy should take pride in making sure their own house is clean.

        But there's just no reason to take the digs at the opposition when doing so. In doing this she sacrifices any credit she might have gotten for being principled, all to make a pointless attack that the conservative apologists that it was intended to appease apparently missed anyway.

        It's plainly a false comparison. It's a blatant attempt to turn nothing into something in an effort somehow make one side look better, driving home that your criticism is limited to just the ONE MAN.

        It's hackery. Irrelevant, ridiculous hackery. Nothing more.

        Well done, MMFA, for calling out this nonsense.
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    • Author by mustardman (September 10, 2009 1:33 am ET)
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      UPDATE:

      This support Joe Wilson's Dem opponent site raised $67,607 so far. Most of it since his 'liar' comment.
      http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/19079

      http://i30.tinypic.com/t9e71z.gif
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    • Author by captfoster2 (September 10, 2009 2:07 am ET)
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      Now I understand why Dana Milbanks is no longer seen on the Countdown or Rachel's and Ed's shows much anymore.

      Come to think of it... it has been several months or maybe longer than that since last I saw Dana guesting with Olbermann?

      Did I miss something?
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      • Author by njguy93 (September 10, 2009 3:02 am ET)
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        Dana Milbank left MSNBC in late July 2008. He went over to CNN shortly after that. He also wrote a column shortly before he left where he apparnenly made some mistake, and Keith called him out on it and said until he corrected that mistake and apologized for it he wouldn't be coming back on Countdown. I kind of got the feeling that him and Keith never really liked each other anyway. Always seemed like there was some kind of tension between them on the air.

        THANK YOU.
        njguy93@yahoo.com
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    • Author by funnymanpants (September 10, 2009 2:11 am ET)
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      Jeez! I didn't realize how rude the Repubs were. Has there ever been such rudeness before? From the column linked to in the blog entry:

      But while the majority of both parties' lawmakers behaved as adults, the insolence by House Republicans stole the show. There was derisive laughter on that side of the chamber when Obama noted that "there remain some significant details to be ironed out." They applauded as he spoke of "all the misinformation that's been spread over the past few months." They laughed again when he said that "many Americans have grown nervous about reform."

      When Obama addressed the charge that he plans "panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens," someone on the GOP side shouted out "shame!" The president went on: "Such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical." "Read the bill!" someone shouted back. Obama mentioned those who accuse him of a government takeover of health care. "It's true," someone shouted back.
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    • Author by njguy93 (September 10, 2009 2:59 am ET)
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      Unfortunately, this isn't the first time or the last that we will see nonsense like this. Whenever the media mentions Republican thuggery, they always bend over backwards to try to mention something, anything that they think might be comparable to it. And most of the time, they make ridiculous comparisons that are laughable. Pumping your fist in the air is a common thing that most people do when they're excited or pumped up. There's nothing fascist about it. Milbank knows this. He's just once again doing the old contortion that many in the media do when bringing up Republican savagery because they don't want to be attacked as the evil liberal media.

      THANK YOU.
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      • Author by The_Cat (September 10, 2009 9:14 am ET)
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        The gesture actually put me in mind of the old Arsenio Hall show, to be honest. He must've been fascist, too, along with his studio audience. There needs to be a reminder of what fair and balanced actually means. Currently, the standard seems to be that you can report any bad thing about Democrats you want, but if you're going to report something bad about Republicans, then you need to include anything at all bad by the Democrats unless you wish to be labeled 'liberal media'. Ridiculous.
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      • Author by fawltylogic (September 10, 2009 10:47 am ET)
           
        Well said. This idiotic desire to always balance out Republican lies and behavior with something not-even-remotely-comparable by Democrats is ridiculous. But they keep doing it, to show that they're not "liberals".

        "Reality has a well known liberal bias" rings more true than ever after reading an article like this.
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    • Author by pete592 (September 10, 2009 3:35 am ET)
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      "Um ... What? "Fascist salute"? What does that even mean?"

      I think Milbank has his bogeymen mixed up. The raised fist, from what I've read, is actually anti-fascist.
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    • Author by dr. matt (September 10, 2009 7:55 am ET)
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      Was it anything like a "terrorist fist bump"?

      [http://www.nrk.no/banden/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/obama_fist_bump1.jpg]
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    • Author by vwcat (September 10, 2009 9:54 am ET)
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      fascist??? I guess all those rabid sports fans in the stadiums across America are really secret fascists since it's a common 'sign' made when someone scores, ect.
      Imagine that.
      Sports fans are really fascists..
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    • Author by truthseeker77 (September 10, 2009 7:06 pm ET)
         
      Where's the video of Green's salute? How can we know whether the salute is or isn't a fascist salute without seeing the video?
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    • Author by truthseeker77 (September 10, 2009 7:10 pm ET)
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      Wait a second. The facist salute is performed with the open hand, not a fist, according to Google image results when I type "fascist salute:"

      [http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/headwideopen/mussolini090909.jpg]
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    • Author by nirvision (September 10, 2009 8:10 pm ET)
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      What about these lovely-and-not-at-all-bitter people?

      [http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2258/tpmow.jpg][http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/tpmow.jpg/1/w170.png]
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