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WaPo's Milbank, who called Clinton a "bitch," complains about "attacks" from Media Matters

September 10, 2009 4:39 pm ET by Jamison Foser

It seems Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank isn't happy that I pointed out the absurdity of his claim that Democratic congressman Al Green made a "fascist salute" to Barack Obama during last night's speech.  From Milbank's online discussion today:

Media Matters: Hey Dana, you did it! Media Matters isn't happy with your false moral equivalance. WaPo's Milbank: Dem. Rep. Green made "fascist salute" to Obama (MediaMatters, Sept. 10)

Dana Milbank: Excellent! After just 3 minutes as a hack for Barack I am back to being a right-wing stooge.

It's too bad about Media Matters. I'm sure Mr. Brock et al have some good points to make, but because they attack everybody for everything all the time, it winds up discrediting the good stuff they do and make it appear that they are just making noise.

It's too bad about the Washington Post.  I'm sure* Mr. Milbank has some good points to make, but because he runs around calling Hillary Clinton a "bitch" and Nico Pitney a "dick" and accusing members of congress of making "fascist salutes" and dressing up in a smoking jacket to act out his sophomoric little skits (oh, wait: those were cancelled) and generally behaving like a not-particularly-bright thirteen-year-old, it winds up discrediting the good stuff the Post does.

Anyway, I'm glad Milbank responded, because it gives me an opportunity to address something I left out of my post last night: Milbank's column was a complaint about the decline in civility in public discourse:

As President Obama addressed a joint session of Congress on Wednesday night, the nation's rapidly deteriorating discourse hit yet another low.

...

The national debate, already raw for years, had coarsened over the summer

And so on.

Yeah, that's right: Dana Milbank, whose dress-up skit show was cancelled after he called the Secretary of State a "bitch," was handing out lessons in civility.  And now he's offering lessons in being taken seriously.  I'll pass.

* No, not really.

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    • Author by dr. matt (September 10, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (September 10, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
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      Nice work,

      Sometimes it's hard to fathom the unbelievable arrogance of some of these corporate, Beltway hacks. Milbank's credibility disappeared quite some time ago.
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    • Author by The_Cat (September 10, 2009 5:10 pm ET)
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      I would be disappointed if MMfA didn't take a swing at every single piece of misinformation and outright lie that they saw come down the pike. That includes people like Dana Milbank, who apparently has been known as both a right wing stooge and an Obama hack, to quote the man himself. Quite a range to cover. Leaving that aside, though, his interpretation of the gesture as a fascist salute was obviously incorrect and deserved comment. If he doesn't like being called out for saying something ridiculous in his newspaper column, perhaps he would be more comfortable flipping burgers.

      As for manners, as soon as he both learns some, and displays proficiency in the use, he is welcome to point out when others lapse. Dana, remember the old saw about throwing stones if you live in a glass house...
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      • Author by MickD (September 10, 2009 5:18 pm ET)
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        Who was that sycophant who set him up? Perhaps Dana the whiner himself?
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        • Author by almaevans6781 (September 10, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
             
          Howie Cowie the Putz will NOT even mention Media Matters. I have asked him about MMfA a ton of times -- never answers.
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        • Author by Mauckjw (September 10, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
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          Me, actually. I subscribe to Media Matters Dana Milbank RSS feed to keep up. Dana is a fairly liberal columnist who doesn't shy away from pointing out flaws in democrats. Every time he lands a good one on a dem the left wing blogosphere goes bonkers. Today’s reaction just seems like looking for something to be mad about. I wonder if Media Matters has attacked Obama for preemptively taking single payer off the table and then jettisoning a measly public option in the hopes of making the Republicans happy. Media Matters may have and if so they are at least consistent. Today Milbank wrote an article mostly disparaging republicans but adds this sentence, "Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.), sitting on the Republican side, insisted on making a victory sign with his hand and waving it at Obama. Rep. Al Green (D-Tex.), also on the GOP side of the aisle, felt the need to pound his fist in the air and make what looked, awkwardly, like a fascist salute." Why is that a malicious observation?
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          • Author by The_Cat (September 11, 2009 9:59 am ET)
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            To begin with, Mauckjw, it was not a fascist salute. Remember Hitler? Arm stretched rigidly forth from the shoulder, palm down? That was a fascist salute, and actually borrowed from Italy who dusted off an old salute from Imperial Rome.

            I think part of the tempest in a teapot results from all the right wing radio jocks, and their negative comparisons of our president with, among other things, fascists. So, not only did Mr. Milbank mistakenly identify the gesture, his chosen comparison seemed to support those who have called our president a fascist, a Nazi, and a racist. It may seem a small point, but it's best not to let things like this gain any traction at all.
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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (September 10, 2009 5:46 pm ET)
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      Next thing you know they will be doing those terrorist fist bumps. Where does it all end ?
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    • Author by toombsie (September 10, 2009 5:48 pm ET)
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      Point Jamison Foser!

      Actually I think you just aced it down the line with this bashing.
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    • Author by tangaroa (September 10, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
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      When was Milbank ever a "Hack for Barak"? I seem to remember a time during the campaign last year when Milbank took a quote of Obama's WAAAAAY out of context so that Obama appeared to be saying the opposite of what he really said, then blasted Obama for it. And when Milbank was confronted on it our "Hack for Barak" refused to offer an apology or even a clarification for it, saying in effect, "Get over it and stop whining." Which led to his being kicked off MSNBC.
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    • Author by steeve (September 10, 2009 6:44 pm ET)
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      "they attack everybody for everything all the time"

      should be corrected to

      "they attack everybody all the time"

      See, the media sucks 100% of the time, so it should be criticized 100% of the time. But it's criticized for sucking, not for existing.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (September 11, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
           
        "I never gave anybody hell. I just told them the truth and they thought it was hell." --Harry Truman

        MMFA "attacks" by quoting people in context. That's what happens in actual civilized discourse, the thing that Milbank claims he wants but apparently has no real interest in.
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    • Author by cpinva (September 11, 2009 12:01 am ET)
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      After just 3 minutes as a hack for Barack I am back to being a right-wing stooge.


      not hardly, it would be an insult to real right-wing stooges. mr. milbank has been a hack forever. that he gets something right once in while is akin to the "1,000 monkeys at typewriters will eventually end up with shakespeare" bit, it's bound to happen.

      that doesn't negate his basic hackery.
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