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Beck's bust?  Will media covering 9/12 rally note huge turnout predictions?

September 11, 2009 6:55 pm ET by Jamison Foser

So, that Glenn Beck publicity stunt CNN plans to cover? Starting to look like it might be falling apart.

A few weeks ago, FreedomWorks suggested "hundreds of thousands" of people would attend the rally. Organizers said it could be "the largest gathering of fiscal conservatives ever."  More excited organizers predicted millions of attendees.

Millions!

But now, with the big day just hours away, organizers are frantically trying to lower expectations.  Politico's Glenn Thrush reports:

Adam Brandon, the press guy for Beck rally organizer FreedomWorks, tells my colleague Alex Isenstadt he expects the crowd to be in the 20-30,000 range.

30,000?  Down from predictions of "hundreds of thousands" -- and even millions?

If tomorrow's crowds really are as small as Brandon is now predicting, those CNN reports better involve frequent use of the word "flop."

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    • Author by flounder (September 11, 2009 7:10 pm ET)
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      I wonder if this is why the DNC sent out a release warning Dems in Congress that there might be millions of tea-baggers descending on town. They know that if Dems represent fear, the media gasbags are more likely to cover it, this they set the bar high as well.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (September 11, 2009 7:11 pm ET)
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      "the largest gathering of fiscal conservatives ever."

      With an average IQ of what? Isn't it dangerous to the environment or something to put that many stupid people together in one place?
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 11, 2009 7:36 pm ET)
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        That made me LOL, "fiscal conservatives", as if the Beckians are this sensible group concerned with economic matters.

        I'd say spending a bunch of money on gas and hotel rooms, missing a day of work (I'm assuming a few Beck fans aren't unemployed drug addicts) to stand out in a park with a few thousand other screeching, ill-informed wingnuts doesn't seem like the most sound use of finances.
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      • Author by jwcoop715110 (September 11, 2009 9:07 pm ET)
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        Not if they stick 'em on a shrinking ice floe with the palin klan, some oil execs and some starving Polar Bears. That would go a long way towards cleaning up the environment and healing the planet on any number of levels.

        Of course, given the probable turnout, you're still gonna have a lot of starving Polar Bears, but it's a step in the right direction and ya gotta start somewhere, so ya may as well start by feeding 'em psycho sarah and some tea-bagger trash.
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      • Author by sarcasm 101 (September 12, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
           
        You may be right, it could be dangerous to the environment. Just look at the number of liberals in Congress. It didn't take very many of them to screw the country up. We should try to get more of them in there. They just might reach critical mass and blow. The yield from their stupidity bomb should be in the megaton range.
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    • Author by Itsjustanevent (September 11, 2009 7:49 pm ET)
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      First, let me give you some background. I’m not a therapist. I was a health teacher for33 years, but I recognized early that simply dispensing information and advice was never going to cut it. So much of what people do wrong and what goes wrong in their lives happens because they or others generate more emotion than is necessary or helpful. I knew that if I was ever going to be more effective I was going to have to learn how to teach people to disturb themselves less and thereby free themselves to act in healthier ways. That’s why after I got my masters, I took 75 post graduate hours, most of it in counseling type areas, including 30 hours in Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy, made famous by the late Dr. Albert Ellis. In order to do my job, I had to learn the mechanisms by which people normally disturb themselves needlessly and to a dysfunctional degree. That’s why I recognize exactly what conservative talkers do. They work with those same mechanisms to encourage people to disturb themselves and then suggest that the cause of how they feel is Obama, Democrats and Liberals.

      There are six things going on.

      1) What people on the right and at town halls are really generating is technically anxiety. Anxiety is about things that haven’t happened yet, and often never do, and never will. Anxiety is a figment of imagination. The formula is “catastrophizing + awfulizing”. First you imagine something you perceive as bad happening, and then tell yourself if would be awful, the end of the world, if it did. Because if you said “So what, who cares” you wouldn’t get anxious.

      What guys like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck are really good at is presenting their listeners with possible, but highly unlikely scenarios about what they say Democrats, Obama and liberals want to do, and are going to do. They make it believable by routinely misrepresenting what Democrats, Obama and Liberals believe, thereby making the scenario seem like a perfectly logical extension of such beliefs.

      One of the most dishonest things they do on a regular basis is put words in the mouths of Obama, Democrats and liberals rather than letting them speak for themselves. Oh they use audio clips, but carefully edit those. They never have opposing points of view on that might challenge what they say, except for an occasionally distraught, inept caller that their screener knows they will be able to rip to shreds and ridicule. thereby adding more credibility to their case. They never allow themselves to be interviewed except for an occasional softball one on Fox. Ed was right, they’re cowards.

      One of the ways they foster the awfulizing is to tap into deep contempt we all were raised with for socialism and communism during the cold war by framing what Dems, Liberals and Obama want to do as just that.

      2) In relationships, if you want closeness, you have to have equality. If a father or husband acts like a dictator, the rest of the family can’t feel close to him. It works the same way with leaders and citizens of a country. So what do they do? Portray Obama as a wannabee dictator, thereby getting their listeners to disenfranchise themselves from the government as it is, even when Obama and Dems are trying to help many of those very same people.

      3) They are so effective at fostering anxiety that many people plug into fight or flight. You’re seeing the fight part of that at many town halls when people are angry and verbally attacking legislators, or bringing assault rifles with them.

      4) There are some points about anger that are relevant. Once people get mad, it’s hard to get them to let go of it because it gives them a false sense of power, righteousness and permission. These “righties” are on a high caused by being angry and no matter what facts are presented to them, it will be difficult, or maybe even impossible to get them down. The question is just how much the anger is going to dictate their behavior.

      But it’s also important to understand how people make themselves mad, and I’ll explain why I say it that way in a minute. Everyone has the right to want whatever they want. The mistake people make is to start to demand what they simply want, prefer and desire. When people get mad, they’ve basically demanded that everything and everybody be exactly the way they want it to be, and they’re weren’t. When I say it that way, how old does it sound like I am? Two or three maybe. That’s why Dr. Ellis called anger a temper tantrum, because you’re being demanding like a two or three year old.

      So conservative talkers and to a large extent Republicans are basically throwing temper tantrums and demanding that everything be the way they want it to be, and encouraging their listeners and supporters to do the same.

      5) One of the other types of irrational thinking they really encourage is label and damning. Label and damning is blatant overgeneralization. Like saying “liberals believe….” Or “liberals want to….” and implying that every single one does. I wish I had a nickel for everytime Limbaugh and the rest do that.. Conservative talkers have made Obama, Democrats and liberals into four letter words and encouraged their listeners to. The negative effect of label and damning others is it makes it harder to resolve conflicts and find common ground. You don’t want to try to work it out with someone you’ve labeled and damned. But that’s exactly what they want. Divide and conquer. Get 51% of the population on your side in elections, and win enough elections, and you have the power and control.

      6) The last thing they do is use everyone’s natural tendency to have an external locus of control. The vast majority of people wrongly believe and talk as if what others say and do makes them feel bad. It doesn’t. It’s what they think about what others say and do that makes them feel good or bad.

      We all have a host of cognitive choices we make all the time that determine how we feel. For example, how we choose to look at things, what meaning we attach to what happens, what we choose to focus on, what we compare things to, what we expect or imagine. It’s a choice because there’s always more than one way to look at things.

      Ironically, the people who most preach about taking personal responsibility neglect to take the ultimate in personal responsibility, responsibility for how they make themselves feel. They blame Obama, Democrats and Liberals for how they are making themselves feel by imagining things that haven’t even happened and probably never will. And they’re encouraging their listeners to do the same.

      I happened to catch Glenn Beck say “It drives me crazy that no one else sees this” when he was attempting to make a case for subliminal communist symbols on the concrete of Rockefeller Center. No Glenn, IT doesn’t drive you crazy, You drive yourself crazy, and the fact that no one else does see it should tell you something.

      I would love for you and Ed and other progressive talkers to start telling conservatives the way it really is. “No, Obama and Democrats aren’t upsetting you, you’re upsetting yourself. And you’re doing that by imagining things that haven’t happened yet, and in all likelihood, never will.
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      • Author by Mr. Buzztime (September 11, 2009 10:22 pm ET)
           
        A well-written post which I 99% agree with. But don't the same arguments apply to the far left that hated Bush for 8 years, thought he stole both elections, and believed Cheney to be the wickedest man on the planet?
        You say that Limbaugh and others use generalizations to attack liberals. True! They most certainly do. But doesn't the left do the same? I have been on this site for a few weeks and am appalled at the constant personal attacks and total disrespect for any opinion that differs from theirs. One statement today was something like "90% of conservatives are idiots, the other 10% are liars." (Or maybe it was reversed, 90% liars, 10% idiots) :)
        BOTH sides do all the things you describe in your post. The attitude is "We're right. You're clueless. You blindly follow your party's talking points, etc., etc., etc." Don't these people ever get tired of hurling insults?
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 12, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
             
          Mr. Buzztime, you're trying to make a comparison to people on a website reacting to the conservative media. Can you point out some examples of people on the left in the media or in political positions whose tactics are comparable to the Limbaughs and Becks?
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        • Author by Ecotopian (September 12, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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          You make some valid points. Certainly we're all human, we tend to generalize about our opponents, and many of us hurl insults when reasoned analysis would be more appropriate. But I suspect that someone trained in psychology could build a strong case that people at the right end of the spectrum are (1) more likely to retain faith in a position even in the face of contradictory facts; (2) more inclined to blindly follow the lead of opinion makers (e.g., talk show hosts; (3) more likely to lack self-awareness and movement awareness (e.g., rail against "rude" liberals while overlooking rudeness in themselves and in their own ranks; and (4) more likely to lack empathy for people who are not part of groups they identify with (Glenn Greenwald did a great essay on this characteristic called "Tribalistic Self-Absorption").

          In short, I don't think it's anywhere near as simple as "both sides do it." I'd very much like to hear more of the type of analysis that "Itsjustanevent" has presented---particular in terms of what makes arch-conservatives think and behave as they do. Perhaps he (she?) could provide us with some citations to relevant professional literature on such topics?
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      • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (September 11, 2009 11:01 pm ET)
           
        Wow! Your editorial perspective reminds me of how much of what you say was introduced to me by my therapist for my marriage counseling back in the early eighties. Too bad the righties would characterize everything you just said as "commie crap" that you just pulled out of of your liberal arse.
        Indeed "know thine enemy". I say mainstream media needs some therapy to enable them to do a better job in doing what they pretend to be experts on----that is to say journalism!
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    • Author by aBeck in 10-O-C (September 11, 2009 10:50 pm ET)
         
      It would be nice if the media would note, if only for political perspective, that an estimated 1.8 million people showed up for Obama's inauguration and that 38 million watched coverage of it on television---more than double the audience for 2004 Bush inauguration. I will be looking for tv ratings numbers when all is said and done---if only for political perspective, mind you.
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    • Author by yancy derringer (September 12, 2009 12:21 am ET)
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      They seem to think that the Obama administration is much more evil than even the evil that the anti-war protesters saw in Bush's plan-free optional war in Iraq.

      Now anti-war protesters in 2002-3 did not have a dedicated TV channel pushing for people to come, "stars" and a freak show with Beck to entertain, nor did we have an entire political party telling us that we had to come and stop the war or our nation would end and fall to ungodly forces, nor did we have 'hores for the corporate interests propping up and paying the bills for the protests. (yea I know, the corporations were scheduled to make too much money ever to oppose the war.)

      But let's see if Teabaggers can top these figures...

      If they don't draw at least 200,000 then their movement will have been proven to be a huge fraud, a small band of rabble rousing manipulated people absent reality, and a hoax that the media still gives time to.

      - On January 16, 2002, more than 200,000 Americans protested against the war in Washington, DC.

      -On October 26, 2002 over 100,000 people took part in a protest in Washington. 50,000 people took part in a demonstration in San Francisco.

      - January 18, 2003 in San Francisco, between 150,000 and 200,000 people attended the demonstration.

      - Largest war rally was in NY, some estimates point to upwards of 250,000 in a single event.
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    • Author by njguy93 (September 12, 2009 7:18 am ET)
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      This whole thing is a fraud. Complete Astro-Turf. Perhaps a few small blades of grass, but that's about it as far as the real grass goes, except maybe the grass you'r smoking if think these people are actually grass-roots. They are funded and organized largely by corporate interests and organizations, and sold by conservative frauds and/or racists who want to make the miniscule opposition to Barack Obama seem like something more than it is. Even if they manage to somehow stage-manage this thing and ship in a significant number of people, it's still a fraud at the end of the day and they know it.

      THANK YOU.
      njguy93@yahoo.com
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (September 12, 2009 7:43 am ET)
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        I've been watching some of the coverage, including interviews with some of the protestors. Some of the ones I've seen are retirees with time on their hands who go out of their way to say that they are just "regular" people. Well, no..."regular" don't take to the streets protesting bogus contrivances of right wing manipulators. These so-called "regular" people are, or have become, radical right wing extremists...and there's nothing "regular" about that. Unless, of course 'regular" has been redefined to mean biased, blindly partisan, ignorantly misinformed and radically extreme.
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    • Author by antiliberal (September 12, 2009 8:30 am ET)
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      you libs sure are an angry bunch. Hypocritical too. I bet if this was a code pink or some other left-wing loon event, the media would be all over it.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (September 12, 2009 10:19 am ET)
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        Who gives a rat's butt about Code Pink?
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (September 12, 2009 1:12 pm ET)
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        you libs sure are an angry bunch. Hypocritical too.


        Yeah, that's obvious from seeing us at town halls and Glenn Beck Troglapalooza parties, screeching like banshees about the things we totally ignored during eight years of the Bush administration.

        Oh, wait, that's not us...
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      • Author by yancy derringer (September 12, 2009 3:31 pm ET)
           
        If they were protesting something based in reality, maybe. Look at Eric's post about the crowds that protested the war, that didn't make the front page of the WP and got very little attention. As I said above, the war protesters did not have a cable news channel promoting the protests 24/7, a political party 100% behind them, corporate prostitutes to prop up and fund the whole effort and a freak show of Beck and all to entertain.
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    • Author by jperman (September 13, 2009 2:16 am ET)
         
      Does anyone actual read these links of”proof” above? The one comment their referencing here is as follows: "The march, organized by Armey’s political group FreedomWorks, is scheduled for Sept. 12 and is already generating hundreds of thousands of responses , the Texas Republican tells Newsmax.TV" (you can read it to click on suggest) How do you translate hundreds of thousands of responses to hundreds of thousands will show up? I know it’s convenient just to make things up but you can't post the proof right on your own site. Also I noticed that you couldn't find one reference to Millions mentioned (i clicked on them all). I'm sure you must just be referencing the DNC house memo PLANT that stated it (and then leaked to fox news), so they could latter claim the rally was a failure! Really that’s a trick older than this country. If you’re going to try and manipulate people come up with some new moves, your readers are after all the LIBS that can read.
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    • Author by jperman (September 13, 2009 2:34 am ET)
         
      So you can't post if someone might disagree or point out falsehoods i assume?
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    • Author by Mark Pfeifer (September 13, 2009 8:54 am ET)
         
      Huh. Interesting. The lowest estimates are from sources that pooh-pooh the "teabaggers" and they say 350,000. The organizers and conservative pundits are saying 2,000,000.

      I watched part of it on live cams. This was easily 10X the size of the largest anti-war protest I've seen in DC. There were easily 500,000 people there, probably more like 1,000,000.

      So they really *did* attract "hundreds of thousands". Does that mean Media Matters "better involve frequent use of the word 'flop'" in describing itself?

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