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Will Fox News hold Beck to its Dan Rather standard?

September 16, 2009 12:14 pm ET by Jamison Foser

Fox News' Glenn Beck recently aired a video indicating that an ACORN employee shot and killed her husband, without first bothering to verify whether the husband is, in fact, dead.  He isn't.  The video is, in other words, a fraud.  But that didn't stop Beck from calling it evidence of "murder" and perhaps even "premeditated murder."  Of a person who is still alive.

Sean Hannity aired it, too.

Here's a bunch of Fox News "reporters" who are outraged about the murder.  Which didn't happen.  Because the guy is still alive:

So, given Fox's promotion of this hoax-video ... how did Fox react to the allegedly-forged documents used in a CBS news report about George W. Bush's apparent failure to fulfill his commitments to the Texas Air National Guard?

Here's Hannity, after Rather was replaced as anchor of CBS Evening News:

HANNITY: I'm not as forgiving as you are here, Bernie [Goldberg], and I'll tell you why. This case of forged documents, this was 50 days outside of a political election. If it weren't for brave people like Ben Barnes' daughter and Colonel Killian's wife and Colonel Killian's son, you know something? This could have had an impact, a significant impact, may have even resulted in a different outcome in this election.

This -- this is a disgrace, what went on here, that they ignored all of the exculpatory evidence, Bernie. And the fact is, crimes were even committed, if you believe -- you know, according to reports, forging documents and transmitting them, that's a federal crime, a state crime and a county crime in Texas. 

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First of all, I want to point out, he's not gone. He's still at "60 Minutes," at least for the time being. So he hasn't gone away here. Secondly...

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HANNITY:  An article in The New York Observer today revealed some new information about the CBS investigation into the "Memogate" scandal. According to the story, freelance producer Michael Smith, he taped many of his conversations with CBS investigators and executives in the weeks after the scandal broke.

Smith told The Observer that the tapes of his conversations proved that nobody at CBS, quote, "seemed interested in the truth."

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You used the word "bias." You used the word "arrogant." You know, based on this story that he broke here, not caring about getting to the truth of the investigation, maybe we can add the words, "elitist," "political," "liberal," "unethical," even? [Fox News Channel, Hannity & Colmes, 3/9/05]

And Fox News Correspondent Rick Leventhal:

LEVENTHAL: Unlike his colleague, Tom Brokaw, who retired with glowing tributes late last year, Rather leaves under the dark clouds of his flawed "60 Minutes Wednesday" report on President Bush's National Guard service that aired last September.

It was based on documents most likely forged. He tried to defend the piece and its questionable source materials, but later, apologized on air. One of his co-workers was fired, three others were asked to resign; Rather and his bosses were not. [3/5/09]

And Fox anchor John Gibson:

GIBSON: Ellis, can you explain why Dan Rather, with all the experience we've been talking about and Rick talked about, would commit the basic errors that went on in Memogate, if there was not a bias behind it?

HENICAN: No. Because he screwed up. He made a mistake as a reporter and got embarrassed. It had so little to do with ideology and so much to do with bad reporting. People in this business make that mistake.

GIBSON: Rich Noyes, Dan Rather obviously made a mistake, but Ellis doesn't seem to be willing to admit that the case you're making, that the reason Rather made the mistake was he was disposed to disliking Bush and he would bend his own rules.

HENICAN: You have no idea whether that's why he made the mistake. That's silly for both of you to say.

GIBSON: Well, I do know, but why?

HENICAN: You have no evidence of that at all! You're against the guy.

GIBSON: His career is the evidence!

HENICAN: No! The guy made a mistake! You have no idea what's in his heart! That's silly!

GIBSON: Rich, isn't that evidence?

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GIBSON: Ellis, you don't think that what was going on in this Memogate story, whether Rather was behind it, or it was really Mary Mapes, but Rather went along with, was bring down this President? Rather called himself a big-game hunter! [3/5/09]

Any chance we'll see this level of outrage directed at Glenn Beck for unquestioningly airing an apparently fraudulent tape in order to portray an ACORN employee as a murderer?  Beck has, after all, been pretty clear that he is trying to bring ACORN down.

UPDATE: Sean Hannity & Bernie Goldberg, November 23, 2004:

HANNITY: You're way ahead of the curve every time these stories come out.But you know, I met Dan Rather during the convention. He couldn't have been nicer. On a personal level he was a very nice man. And I mean that sincerely.
But let's just go down a path for a second here. Imagine, 50 days out of an election, somebody gave me documents, little old radio and TV talk show host Sean Hannity, that turned out to be forged documents about John Kerry, and similarly, they had connections to the Bush campaign. Would I be here tonight talking to you?
GOLDBERG: Well, you might be here or you might not be here, but every liberal in America would be all over you and all over Fox.And liberals are, if not defending Dan Rather, they're saying things like, "Well, let's not judge him by that," and things like that.
Listen, if Dan Rather got documents from his, quote, "unimpeachable source," and that unimpeachable source was somebody who came from the right instead of the left and was out to bring down John Kerry and his campaign instead of George Bush and his campaign, there's no way Dan would have ever proceeded with that story.

Hannity, 1/10/05:

HANNITY: You're missing the point here, though. This is 50 days out of an election. It could be a turning point in the election. And if these are forged documents, that is a crime. That is a corrupting of the news and a betrayal of trust on a level that I don't think we've seen in our lifetime.

Hannity, 9/10/04:

HANNITY: I was just thinking to myself, you tell me if I'm wrong here, if Republicans had forged documents or had gotten forged documents and gave it to a news organization, and they turned out to be false, wouldn't this be a much bigger story in the mainstream media?

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    • Author by goesto11 (September 16, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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      "Fox News" and "standard" in the same headline?

      Bwahahahahhhahhhhaaaa!
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    • Author by funnymanpants (September 16, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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      I too thought of the Dan Rather story. This if FOX's Dan Rather moment, but I doubt there will be as much outcry.

      I have said all along that the film makers, by not releasing the full unedited versions of the film, and by not telling the whole story, were not to be trusted.
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      • Author by fairliberal (September 16, 2009 11:11 pm ET)
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        Here is a 10 minute clip, maybe that will hold you over.

        http://www.nowpublic.com/world/acorn-prostitute-video-staff-helped-child-pimp-evade-charges

        Hey, why did the Senate vote to cut off funds to acorn, why did acorn get dumped by the census, why did acorn suspend operations? Oh because they are innocent again, of couse. Those poor people, being picked on again.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (September 16, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
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      Unfortuantely, Conservtaives don't WANT to be well-infomred. They want their egos massaged and to have their ludicrous preconceptions pandered to. Fox News and AM Talk Radio are their drugs. As long as nothing contrary to their warped world view is ever presented? All is Right with the world.

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      Idiots
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      • Author by fairliberal (September 16, 2009 11:12 pm ET)
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        You dismiss the tapes of acorn and say the cons don't want to be informed, that is really comical.
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      • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:48 am ET)
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        Thanks for the massage, Ed.

        Please...no more informing. I wish to be as uninformed as possible...which is why I'm reading what you read.

        Right is right! Wrong is wrong! It really is that easy!!!
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    • Author by MickD (September 16, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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      Whew, good luck passing this one off. This might be grounds for a nice "60 Minutes" piece, if they had the cajones to take on the Rupert and Roger show. My guess, they don't. They'll allow themselves to be maligned for the sake of corporate balance.
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      • Author by fairliberal (September 16, 2009 11:14 pm ET)
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        Isn't it interesting how you cite 60 minutes, but will dismiss the very same methods that they used and you apparently admire. Oh I see, conservatives are using those methods so it is evil and ficticious. I forgot about the 2nd set of rules.
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    • Author by magnolialover (September 16, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
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      This is what I've been thinking about recently. These guys were so MAD at Dan Rather for doing a story that has never really been refuted (as in George W. Bush actually wasn't or didn't serve his proper time in the Air National Guard as was requred), it's just that he got tied up in some fake documents. Doesn't mean the story wasn't true (it was). Rather apologized for the misstep, and these guys, who peddle lies almost 24/7, and they're OK with that?

      Amazing, truly and utterly amazing. If they used their same standards on themselves, as they did with Dan Rather, none of them would have a job. Ever.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 17, 2009 7:53 am ET)
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        it's just that he got tied up in some fake documents.
        There is still no proof of that statement. The secretary who typed the original memos said the information in the documents was what she typed and was accurate. The general was known as a person who wanted the latest and greatest cutting-edge technology, and documents with the type of formatting shown in the documents presented by Rather have been duplicated on contemporary IBM Selectric typewriters of the same model used by the general.
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    • Author by felixw (September 16, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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      The rest of the media is helping Glenn Beck out. Because they don't cover any story that reflects badly on the administration, the audience is forced to tune into Beck to find out what's happening. Beck is far from perfect. But blaming him on the Acorn story is ridiculous. If there was real reporting on Acorn elsewhere, the truth and fictions could be easily sorted out.
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      • Author by bintx (September 16, 2009 1:06 pm ET)
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        Oh, GIVE ME A BREAK! The reason there is no "real reporting on Acorn" is because it's NOT A STORY! Fox MADE it a story.
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        • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:50 am ET)
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          Yeah...forget about asking questions. Just take your marching orders and file in rank.

          What the heck is going on? Even if you were to completely throw away the damning videos of ACORN's immoral actions you are still left with a plethora of evidence that this is one of the most corrupt and unethical organizations on the planet let alone in our country! Why is this such a hard concept to comprehend? Right is right...wrong is wrong...where's the problem?
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      • Author by fawltylogic (September 16, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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        Blaming Beck for the Acorn story is "ridiculous", because it's really the fault of those who have said NOTHING about it? Wow, that's some pretzel logic right there.

        The reason there isn't "real reporting" on ACORN elsewhere is that it's a non-story.
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 16, 2009 1:10 pm ET)
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        You mean, except for the ACORN story that I've seen on every other media outlet.
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 16, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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        Umm, there are plenty of stories in the media that reflect badly upon the administration (ACORN not being one of them, since, they have nothing to do with the current administration).

        If you tune into Beck to find out "what's happening", you're being sold a bad bill of goods, since he lies, makes things up, obfuscates, and never, or hardly ever, tells the real story behind his "stories".

        The reason why there wasn't any big thing about ACORN before this, is because it wasn't a big story, not in the least. They're a community organizing group, who does good work, and like any company/group of this size, you're going to have morons working for sometimes. Said morons, were fired.

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    • Author by epkklk851 (September 16, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
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      It would be nice if Fox actually held its own on-air personalities to the same standards that it held Dan, wouldn't it? But we are talking about Fox here, which has more in common with the old style yellow kid journalism of the 19th Century than it did with the House that Murrow Built. Dan Rather spent forty years being a good reporter and he made one serious mistake and was forced out with a cloud over his head. It was a shameful business, all around. This is even slimier, but I am sure that Fox will continue to play it as real news and any criticism of these ridiculous gotcha films will be attacked furiously. For Shame!
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      • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:52 am ET)
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        I should have known that the left would try to redeem Dan Rather's doctoring of military records. I wish I could say that I'm surprised.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 17, 2009 7:55 am ET)
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        It would be nice if Fox actually held its own on-air personalities to the same standards that it held Dan, wouldn't it?
        CBS never went to court to fight for the right to lie in its "news" stories, as Fox did.
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    • Author by JoshSN (September 16, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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      Not to mention this review of the relevant Air Force regulations showing that Bush, in fact, failed to meet his USANG requirements.

      Not to mention that they planted Bush in the "safest" plane in the Air Force, one with no military function in the Vietnam War, and which had been withdrawn from the Pacific Theater before Bush ever sat in one.
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      • Author by bintx (September 16, 2009 1:06 pm ET)
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        Yep, I saw those documents when they were released pursuant to the AP's FOIA lawsuit.

        The National Guard during the Vietnam War was where rich families tucked away their "heirs." That's why there were waiting lists for consideration of acceptance.

        I know, my brother, whose draft number was 42, tried to join.
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        • Author by worrierking (September 16, 2009 1:13 pm ET)
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          I agree. But would like to add that there's no shame involved in having been a member of the reserves or the NG back in those times. As long as one entered fairly without skipping over other applicants who were not as well connected.

          Whatever anyone did to either serve or evade service is OK with me. As long as the person who avoided the war wasn't a supporter of the war.

          Too many of todays wingnut leaders like Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh and O'Reilly all found shelter from the storm while proclaiming their support for our being there. Emphasis on "our" not on 'their".
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      • Author by dr. matt (September 16, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
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        If herr dubyah wanted to go to Nam, he could have joined a non-reserve branch of the military. Simple as that.
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (September 16, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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        Not to mention that they planted Bush in the "safest" plane in the Air Force, one with no military function in the Vietnam War, and which had been withdrawn from the Pacific Theater before Bush ever sat in one.

        First, never cared for GW, never will but; don't heap scorn on him because of the type of plane the gaurd used. The guard always has out of date aircraft, since they have to take the militaries hand me downs.

        In the late 60's early 70's people joined the guard to stay OUT of Nam.
        This is was GW did, yeah it probably took some pull to get in, either overt or covert, but; it did happen.
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        • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:53 am ET)
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          Umm, Billy Bob...where was your prince, Bill Clinton, during the Vietnam War???

          Throwing stones in a glass house again, are ya?
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    • Author by bintx (September 16, 2009 1:03 pm ET)
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      Wonder why the MSM didn't cover this? [snark]
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    • Author by fawltylogic (September 16, 2009 1:06 pm ET)
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      Fox News got punked! :)
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      • Author by snoopy (September 16, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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        But that won't stop failedliberal from coming here claiming a moral high ground gained through lies and spliced tapes. But it is quite entertaining to watch her thrash around trying to say "I told you so!".
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      • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:56 am ET)
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        Not as much as the American people got punked when they fell victim to the greatest presidential marketing campaign in American history! Obama will serve four years, collect his lifelong pension, and live out the remainder of his life writing books and giving speeches...now, that's hope we can all believe in.

        2008...the dawn of gimick and identity politics.

        ...and yes, I am including McCain's lame attempt of making Palin his running mate. It was a gimmick designed to match Obama's multitude of gimmicks and there's no excuse for McCain's idiocy.
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (September 16, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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      FoxNews has no intention of living up to any standard whatsoever.

      Day in and day out it manufactures news out of thin air.

      It's supposed opinion programs rarely put any out other than lies and republican spin.

      I can only hope that someone finds a law or regulation that can be used to straighten out their dangerous rhetoric
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      • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:57 am ET)
           
        Right.

        That's why they have a gazillion viewers and MSNBC has twelve viewers.

        You should rethink your logic.
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    • Author by jenster (September 16, 2009 1:42 pm ET)
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      So what what we are saying is that the ACORN amployee "fraudulently" bragged about offing her ex-husband and that FOX reported it. Absolutely true, she merely harrassed and threatened him to the point her ex got a restraining order against her!

      http://speakmymindblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/order-of-protection-for-her-husband.pdf

      previous potential for criminality(not a clue what this means)...

      http://speakmymindblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pc-criminal-charges.pdf

      Not surprising in the least. It wouldn't be the first time a "criminal" exagerrated his/her exploits to impress a fellow criminal into using his/her services.

      So was faux megligent in ACCURATELY reporting that the ACORN employee said she murdered her ex-husband?

      Didn't BECK state it was merely a "POTENTIAL ADMISSION" of guilt in murder? yes. Afterall, they didn't have all the facts. But until they did, its still only a "POTENTIAL" and THAT is accurate.

      Did BECK state that 100 percent, the murder admission of the ACORN employee was true and beyond question? NO.

      There are serious problems with what faux/beck does. But this is REALLY stretching it.





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      • Author by JaysoninFL (September 16, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
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        Fox news making up and reporting false news stories?? WHAT?!?! THE FOX NEWS CHANNEL....that becon of truth and journalistic integrity?? NNNNNOOOOOOOOO....NEVER!!! Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity would NEVER been on a network that would outright LIE about news!!! NO WAY!! Next your going to tell me that Saddam didnt have a part in 9/11....OR...OR that George W. Bush won the election in 2000 fair and square!!
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      • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:58 am ET)
           
        Wow. Honest and progressive.

        My hat's off to you. Good post!!!
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    • Author by shaggles (September 16, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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      They already told you they won't hold him to any standard when the whole 'I think this guy is a racist' thing hit the fan.
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    • Author by grunt (September 16, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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      In the same segment Glenn Beck said they are investigating whether or not she actually killed anyone. He said this video possibly conatins evidence of a homicide or premeditated murder. He never said it was 100%, evidence that a crime took place. His researchers were checking into whether or not she had actually killed anyone.
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      • Author by magnolialover (September 16, 2009 3:06 pm ET)
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        Yeah, Beck's researchers. Whoever they may be, they do such a crack job already.

        Face it, Beck and Fox got punked on this one. The woman didn't kill her husband, and she was playing those 2 for the fools they were.
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        • Author by jenster (September 16, 2009 3:51 pm ET)
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          ahh, but WHO lost their funding while BECK is still on the air? beck is being subsidised by murdoch. Considering beck quadrupled the viewership in his time slot(which expand to the primetime slots too), Id say he' would have to lose at least 80% of his aidentifiable ad revenue BEFORE Murdoch would even take a second look.

          we already know that the federal government(under Obama) just cut off most funding for Acorn,at LEAST 60 million bucks. and MIGHT launch an investigation into their activities.

          Acorn's company/corporate sponsors, NOW have an out NOT to be strong-armed to sponsor ACORN.

          Like this sponsor that was paying millions before per year...

          http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2009/09/15/jpmorgan-chase-asked-stop-funding-acorn.

          Oh, did I mention part of the problem of the economic crisis is banks trying(and pushed by Acorn) to make a profit(and enabling) inner city folk to buy properties when they were not financially ready?

          Say again.....

          WHO got PUNKed?
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          • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 12:17 am ET)
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            >>WHO got PUNKed?

            FOX news, of course.

            It's pretty funny that you say that the gov't is cutting off 60 million bucks for ACORN--when they have only received 54 million over the last 10 years. It is completely untrue that ACORN caused part of the economic scandal. You are just repeating right-wing propaganda.
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      • Author by Tiredog (September 16, 2009 3:42 pm ET)
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        First semester journalism: You check out statements like that. You don't take the word of the person making the statement, you verify it independently.

        FOX conveniently forgot to do that...they'd rather go for the sensationalistic headline. Beck and Hannity must have failed journalism...if they ever took it in the first place.
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        • Author by jenster (September 16, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
             
          I would say for a self-confessed clown, opinion-based tv/radio host racontour there shouldn't be a strict standard. Apart from Michael Savage telling a gay man that he should die from aids, for which he got properly and justifiably chucked, it's got to be really BAD before something happens.

          The real problem occurs when a clown starts telling the truth occasionally. and becomes a real ?h?t disturber. OH, he is acting like a journalist! Oh, he caught somebody stupidly with his pants down! Let's adopt him as a jounalist so we can straitjacket/muzzle him!

          NO. A clown is a clown is a clown. Who occasionally says something real and true and that matters. Like Jon Stewart.

          Should a clown be held to clown standards or journalist standards?

          You decide.
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      • Author by shaggles (September 16, 2009 6:49 pm ET)
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        'I've been trying to debunk this story but I can't.' Sounds familiar.
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      • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:59 am ET)
           
        Thank you, grunt.
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    • Author by grunt (September 16, 2009 4:09 pm ET)
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      Beck and Hannity aren't journalists. They don't claim to be. They are self avowed commentators. There is a major difference. Keith Olbermann probably still considers himself a journalist. That would be the biggest joke of all.
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      • Author by njguy93 (September 16, 2009 9:01 pm ET)
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        Keith Olbermann uses facts and statistics to back up what he says on the air. He doesn't just make things up and lie and distort the way that Beck and Hannity do. Let's not forget Bill O'Reilly either. That's the difference. While Olbermann has an obvious point of view, he still backs up what he says with facts, and that's why conservatives hate him 100 times more than already would anyway. He actually has made mistakes before, and has admitted them on the air and apologized for them. You would have a better chance of meeting the tooth fairy than seeing Beck or Hannity do that.

        THANK YOU.
        njguy93@yahoo.com
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      • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:59 am ET)
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        No...Olbermann IS the biggest joke of all. He and his twelve viewers across the nation are beyond redemption.
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    • Author by MaineiacMan (September 16, 2009 4:09 pm ET)
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      Shoot the messenger all you want. The message has survived and some think skulls are actually reporting on it, FINALLY!

      ...at the White House and ABC
      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/15/eveningnews/main5313869.shtml?tag=dis

      ...at the New York Times
      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/us/politics/16acorn.html?_r=1&sq=acorn&st=cse&adxnnl=1&scp=2&adxnnlx=1253131500-o5imCB2csuP7kwPAmTFg7w

      ...at CBS
      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/15/eveningnews/main5313869.shtml?tag=dis

      ...and the LA Times
      http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-acorn16-2009sep16,0,1980998.story

      Funny how they all didnt dare report on it before ACORN itself called the actions of some of its employees 'indefensible'.
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      • Author by steeve (September 16, 2009 7:58 pm ET)
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        The actions of some NFL players are indefensible too. Time to disband the NFL.
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        • Author by MaineiacMan (September 17, 2009 9:06 am ET)
             
          Steeve,

          The difference is that "Lame Stream Media" ACTUALLY COVERS those 'indefensible' actions by NFL players.
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (September 17, 2009 12:15 am ET)
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        Watch out...the governator want to investigate! What the gov wants...the gov gets!

        Arnold wants investigation

        [http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/gallery2/foto37.jpg]
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        • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 12:19 am ET)
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          >>Watch out...the governator want to investigate!

          Well, considering how well Arnold has run his state, we know there's on Repub we don't have to worry about.
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      • Author by funnymanpants (September 17, 2009 12:22 am ET)
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        >>Shoot the messenger all you want. The message has survived and some think skulls are actually reporting on it, FINALLY!

        So Hannity shouldn't live by his own standards? I guess that is typical right-wing hypocrisy. I wonder when Blackwater will be investigated.
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        • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 2:02 am ET)
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          The Clintons are above the law. You should know this already. There is no "rule of law" when it comes to democrats...otherwise, Charlie Rangel would be in a prison cell.

          Oh, my bad...I thought you meant "Whitewater". Sorry.
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        • Author by MaineiacMan (September 17, 2009 5:22 am ET)
             
          Another "shoot the messenger" distraction comment. I'll play along on this one. Considering that Obama is President now....you tell me, where is the Blackwater investigation? I dont see ANY Dems calling for the government to investigate Blackwater now and guess what....they have the votes, they could investigate them if they wanted to. Face it, Blackwater was just a "boogieman" of the Dems while GWB was in office.

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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (September 17, 2009 8:19 am ET)
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          The only "blackwater" Fox will ever see will be from the slime left in the tub after it bathes, if it ever does.
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        • Author by MaineiacMan (September 17, 2009 9:49 am ET)
             
          Nice try, if you dont have an ACTUAL point just yell "Blackwater!" or how about this one "Haliburton!". Why dont you tell me when Blackwater will be investigated? I mean afterall Obama is President now. If you havent figured out that Blackwater was a "boogieman" for Dems when GWB was in office then I dont know what to tell you.
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      • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 2:00 am ET)
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        That's what I call "laying the hammer down"!

        BOOM!
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    • Author by Mitthead (September 17, 2009 1:46 am ET)
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      Yet...the sponsors are lining up at the door for a piece of the Glenn Beck pie! It would seem that YOU are outnumbered.

      Right is right. Wrong is wrong. It really is that simple.
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    • Author by jgritty (September 17, 2009 2:34 pm ET)
         
      The answer to the headline is: No, they will not. The question still remains though, "Why won't they respond to the allegations that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990?"
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    • Author by MjM (September 17, 2009 6:06 pm ET)
         
      Wow. REALLY nice hack job, Foser.

      Or is it "Poser"?

      Should be "Hoser".

      "Any chance we'll see this level of outrage directed at Glenn Beck for unquestioningly airing an apparently fraudulent tape..." - Foser

      Two lies in one sentence.

      Here's the running portion of Becks' commentary sliced and diced by MediaMudders:

      "...is this theater? I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. Um, but gosh even to me it seems like this is a potential admission of murder and the way she was describing doing some groundwork beforehand, you know so everyone in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder."

      Here's the what comes immediately after - you know, the parts Hoser, uh, I mean Foser, intentional cut out:

      "[i] In fairness, I don't understand people who stay in abusive relationships. I don't. I get it. I get it. And maybe a jury might conclude that it was justifiable homicide. I don't know but we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Theresa's husband from ten years ago was killed. Or if he's dead. Or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody is asking questions."

      Here's the uncut, unedited, unMeddiaMudders video

      So I guess Beck DID question the Acorn babe's story, eh?

      And as far as any tape being, "in other words, a fraud.", that would be the one Poser, uh, I mean Foser, and MeddiaMudders presents here.
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    • Author by David Combs (September 19, 2009 11:54 am ET)
         
      Well, Glenn Beck did say:

      I don’t know but we haven’t been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Theresa’s husband from ten years ago was killed. Or if he’s dead. Or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don’t know. Nobody is asking questions.

      I watched the full video, but let's say Teresa is just having fun with these guys. Why? Was it more important to lie about murder, give tips on evading law enforcement, talk about your contacts in govt. and then bring in your neighbor (who also had to be part of the joke) to talk about prostitution in the neighborhood?

      And why would MM leave out what Beck said? Seems to me the larger issue is the exposed corruption of Acorn. Five cities get this kind of response? FIVE? With more on the way. The reason we have journalists are to keep people in check so this doesn't happen. We should be applauding the people who exposed this so programs that DO help people are held to a higher standard - NOT denigrating the people who brought the corruption to light. We can all agree that child sex trafficking is wrong right?
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