Will Fox News hold Beck to its Dan Rather standard?
September 16, 2009 12:14 pm ET by Jamison Foser
Fox News' Glenn Beck recently aired a video indicating that an ACORN employee shot and killed her husband, without first bothering to verify whether the husband is, in fact, dead. He isn't. The video is, in other words, a fraud. But that didn't stop Beck from calling it evidence of "murder" and perhaps even "premeditated murder." Of a person who is still alive.
Sean Hannity aired it, too.
Here's a bunch of Fox News "reporters" who are outraged about the murder. Which didn't happen. Because the guy is still alive:
So, given Fox's promotion of this hoax-video ... how did Fox react to the allegedly-forged documents used in a CBS news report about George W. Bush's apparent failure to fulfill his commitments to the Texas Air National Guard?
Here's Hannity, after Rather was replaced as anchor of CBS Evening News:
HANNITY: I'm not as forgiving as you are here, Bernie [Goldberg], and I'll tell you why. This case of forged documents, this was 50 days outside of a political election. If it weren't for brave people like Ben Barnes' daughter and Colonel Killian's wife and Colonel Killian's son, you know something? This could have had an impact, a significant impact, may have even resulted in a different outcome in this election.
This -- this is a disgrace, what went on here, that they ignored all of the exculpatory evidence, Bernie. And the fact is, crimes were even committed, if you believe -- you know, according to reports, forging documents and transmitting them, that's a federal crime, a state crime and a county crime in Texas.
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First of all, I want to point out, he's not gone. He's still at "60 Minutes," at least for the time being. So he hasn't gone away here. Secondly...
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HANNITY: An article in The New York Observer today revealed some new information about the CBS investigation into the "Memogate" scandal. According to the story, freelance producer Michael Smith, he taped many of his conversations with CBS investigators and executives in the weeks after the scandal broke.
Smith told The Observer that the tapes of his conversations proved that nobody at CBS, quote, "seemed interested in the truth."
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You used the word "bias." You used the word "arrogant." You know, based on this story that he broke here, not caring about getting to the truth of the investigation, maybe we can add the words, "elitist," "political," "liberal," "unethical," even? [Fox News Channel, Hannity & Colmes, 3/9/05]
And Fox News Correspondent Rick Leventhal:
LEVENTHAL: Unlike his colleague, Tom Brokaw, who retired with glowing tributes late last year, Rather leaves under the dark clouds of his flawed "60 Minutes Wednesday" report on President Bush's National Guard service that aired last September.
It was based on documents most likely forged. He tried to defend the piece and its questionable source materials, but later, apologized on air. One of his co-workers was fired, three others were asked to resign; Rather and his bosses were not. [3/5/09]
And Fox anchor John Gibson:
GIBSON: Ellis, can you explain why Dan Rather, with all the experience we've been talking about and Rick talked about, would commit the basic errors that went on in Memogate, if there was not a bias behind it?
HENICAN: No. Because he screwed up. He made a mistake as a reporter and got embarrassed. It had so little to do with ideology and so much to do with bad reporting. People in this business make that mistake.
GIBSON: Rich Noyes, Dan Rather obviously made a mistake, but Ellis doesn't seem to be willing to admit that the case you're making, that the reason Rather made the mistake was he was disposed to disliking Bush and he would bend his own rules.
HENICAN: You have no idea whether that's why he made the mistake. That's silly for both of you to say.
GIBSON: Well, I do know, but why?
HENICAN: You have no evidence of that at all! You're against the guy.
GIBSON: His career is the evidence!
HENICAN: No! The guy made a mistake! You have no idea what's in his heart! That's silly!
GIBSON: Rich, isn't that evidence?
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GIBSON: Ellis, you don't think that what was going on in this Memogate story, whether Rather was behind it, or it was really Mary Mapes, but Rather went along with, was bring down this President? Rather called himself a big-game hunter! [3/5/09]
Any chance we'll see this level of outrage directed at Glenn Beck for unquestioningly airing an apparently fraudulent tape in order to portray an ACORN employee as a murderer? Beck has, after all, been pretty clear that he is trying to bring ACORN down.
UPDATE: Sean Hannity & Bernie Goldberg, November 23, 2004:
HANNITY: You're way ahead of the curve every time these stories come out.But you know, I met Dan Rather during the convention. He couldn't have been nicer. On a personal level he was a very nice man. And I mean that sincerely.
But let's just go down a path for a second here. Imagine, 50 days out of an election, somebody gave me documents, little old radio and TV talk show host Sean Hannity, that turned out to be forged documents about John Kerry, and similarly, they had connections to the Bush campaign. Would I be here tonight talking to you?
GOLDBERG: Well, you might be here or you might not be here, but every liberal in America would be all over you and all over Fox.And liberals are, if not defending Dan Rather, they're saying things like, "Well, let's not judge him by that," and things like that.
Listen, if Dan Rather got documents from his, quote, "unimpeachable source," and that unimpeachable source was somebody who came from the right instead of the left and was out to bring down John Kerry and his campaign instead of George Bush and his campaign, there's no way Dan would have ever proceeded with that story.
Hannity, 1/10/05:
HANNITY: You're missing the point here, though. This is 50 days out of an election. It could be a turning point in the election. And if these are forged documents, that is a crime. That is a corrupting of the news and a betrayal of trust on a level that I don't think we've seen in our lifetime.
Hannity, 9/10/04:
HANNITY: I was just thinking to myself, you tell me if I'm wrong here, if Republicans had forged documents or had gotten forged documents and gave it to a news organization, and they turned out to be false, wouldn't this be a much bigger story in the mainstream media?











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I have said all along that the film makers, by not releasing the full unedited versions of the film, and by not telling the whole story, were not to be trusted.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/acorn-prostitute-video-staff-helped-child-pimp-evade-charges
Hey, why did the Senate vote to cut off funds to acorn, why did acorn get dumped by the census, why did acorn suspend operations? Oh because they are innocent again, of couse. Those poor people, being picked on again.
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Idiots
Please...no more informing. I wish to be as uninformed as possible...which is why I'm reading what you read.
Right is right! Wrong is wrong! It really is that easy!!!
Amazing, truly and utterly amazing. If they used their same standards on themselves, as they did with Dan Rather, none of them would have a job. Ever.
What the heck is going on? Even if you were to completely throw away the damning videos of ACORN's immoral actions you are still left with a plethora of evidence that this is one of the most corrupt and unethical organizations on the planet let alone in our country! Why is this such a hard concept to comprehend? Right is right...wrong is wrong...where's the problem?
The reason there isn't "real reporting" on ACORN elsewhere is that it's a non-story.
If you tune into Beck to find out "what's happening", you're being sold a bad bill of goods, since he lies, makes things up, obfuscates, and never, or hardly ever, tells the real story behind his "stories".
The reason why there wasn't any big thing about ACORN before this, is because it wasn't a big story, not in the least. They're a community organizing group, who does good work, and like any company/group of this size, you're going to have morons working for sometimes. Said morons, were fired.
Not to mention that they planted Bush in the "safest" plane in the Air Force, one with no military function in the Vietnam War, and which had been withdrawn from the Pacific Theater before Bush ever sat in one.
The National Guard during the Vietnam War was where rich families tucked away their "heirs." That's why there were waiting lists for consideration of acceptance.
I know, my brother, whose draft number was 42, tried to join.
Whatever anyone did to either serve or evade service is OK with me. As long as the person who avoided the war wasn't a supporter of the war.
Too many of todays wingnut leaders like Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh and O'Reilly all found shelter from the storm while proclaiming their support for our being there. Emphasis on "our" not on 'their".
First, never cared for GW, never will but; don't heap scorn on him because of the type of plane the gaurd used. The guard always has out of date aircraft, since they have to take the militaries hand me downs.
In the late 60's early 70's people joined the guard to stay OUT of Nam.
This is was GW did, yeah it probably took some pull to get in, either overt or covert, but; it did happen.
Throwing stones in a glass house again, are ya?
2008...the dawn of gimick and identity politics.
...and yes, I am including McCain's lame attempt of making Palin his running mate. It was a gimmick designed to match Obama's multitude of gimmicks and there's no excuse for McCain's idiocy.
Day in and day out it manufactures news out of thin air.
It's supposed opinion programs rarely put any out other than lies and republican spin.
I can only hope that someone finds a law or regulation that can be used to straighten out their dangerous rhetoric
That's why they have a gazillion viewers and MSNBC has twelve viewers.
You should rethink your logic.
http://speakmymindblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/order-of-protection-for-her-husband.pdf
previous potential for criminality(not a clue what this means)...
http://speakmymindblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pc-criminal-charges.pdf
Not surprising in the least. It wouldn't be the first time a "criminal" exagerrated his/her exploits to impress a fellow criminal into using his/her services.
So was faux megligent in ACCURATELY reporting that the ACORN employee said she murdered her ex-husband?
Didn't BECK state it was merely a "POTENTIAL ADMISSION" of guilt in murder? yes. Afterall, they didn't have all the facts. But until they did, its still only a "POTENTIAL" and THAT is accurate.
Did BECK state that 100 percent, the murder admission of the ACORN employee was true and beyond question? NO.
There are serious problems with what faux/beck does. But this is REALLY stretching it.
My hat's off to you. Good post!!!
Face it, Beck and Fox got punked on this one. The woman didn't kill her husband, and she was playing those 2 for the fools they were.
we already know that the federal government(under Obama) just cut off most funding for Acorn,at LEAST 60 million bucks. and MIGHT launch an investigation into their activities.
Acorn's company/corporate sponsors, NOW have an out NOT to be strong-armed to sponsor ACORN.
Like this sponsor that was paying millions before per year...
http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2009/09/15/jpmorgan-chase-asked-stop-funding-acorn.
Oh, did I mention part of the problem of the economic crisis is banks trying(and pushed by Acorn) to make a profit(and enabling) inner city folk to buy properties when they were not financially ready?
Say again.....
WHO got PUNKed?
FOX news, of course.
It's pretty funny that you say that the gov't is cutting off 60 million bucks for ACORN--when they have only received 54 million over the last 10 years. It is completely untrue that ACORN caused part of the economic scandal. You are just repeating right-wing propaganda.
FOX conveniently forgot to do that...they'd rather go for the sensationalistic headline. Beck and Hannity must have failed journalism...if they ever took it in the first place.
The real problem occurs when a clown starts telling the truth occasionally. and becomes a real ?h?t disturber. OH, he is acting like a journalist! Oh, he caught somebody stupidly with his pants down! Let's adopt him as a jounalist so we can straitjacket/muzzle him!
NO. A clown is a clown is a clown. Who occasionally says something real and true and that matters. Like Jon Stewart.
Should a clown be held to clown standards or journalist standards?
You decide.
THANK YOU.
njguy93@yahoo.com
...at the White House and ABC
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/15/eveningnews/main5313869.shtml?tag=dis
...at the New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/us/politics/16acorn.html?_r=1&sq=acorn&st=cse&adxnnl=1&scp=2&adxnnlx=1253131500-o5imCB2csuP7kwPAmTFg7w
...at CBS
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/15/eveningnews/main5313869.shtml?tag=dis
...and the LA Times
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-acorn16-2009sep16,0,1980998.story
Funny how they all didnt dare report on it before ACORN itself called the actions of some of its employees 'indefensible'.
The difference is that "Lame Stream Media" ACTUALLY COVERS those 'indefensible' actions by NFL players.
Arnold wants investigation
Well, considering how well Arnold has run his state, we know there's on Repub we don't have to worry about.
So Hannity shouldn't live by his own standards? I guess that is typical right-wing hypocrisy. I wonder when Blackwater will be investigated.
Oh, my bad...I thought you meant "Whitewater". Sorry.
BOOM!
Right is right. Wrong is wrong. It really is that simple.
Or is it "Poser"?
Should be "Hoser".
"Any chance we'll see this level of outrage directed at Glenn Beck for unquestioningly airing an apparently fraudulent tape..." - Foser
Two lies in one sentence.
Here's the running portion of Becks' commentary sliced and diced by MediaMudders:
"...is this theater? I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. Um, but gosh even to me it seems like this is a potential admission of murder and the way she was describing doing some groundwork beforehand, you know so everyone in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder."
Here's the what comes immediately after - you know, the parts Hoser, uh, I mean Foser, intentional cut out:
"[i] In fairness, I don't understand people who stay in abusive relationships. I don't. I get it. I get it. And maybe a jury might conclude that it was justifiable homicide. I don't know but we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Theresa's husband from ten years ago was killed. Or if he's dead. Or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody is asking questions."
Here's the uncut, unedited, unMeddiaMudders video
So I guess Beck DID question the Acorn babe's story, eh?
And as far as any tape being, "in other words, a fraud.", that would be the one Poser, uh, I mean Foser, and MeddiaMudders presents here.
I don’t know but we haven’t been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Theresa’s husband from ten years ago was killed. Or if he’s dead. Or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don’t know. Nobody is asking questions.
I watched the full video, but let's say Teresa is just having fun with these guys. Why? Was it more important to lie about murder, give tips on evading law enforcement, talk about your contacts in govt. and then bring in your neighbor (who also had to be part of the joke) to talk about prostitution in the neighborhood?
And why would MM leave out what Beck said? Seems to me the larger issue is the exposed corruption of Acorn. Five cities get this kind of response? FIVE? With more on the way. The reason we have journalists are to keep people in check so this doesn't happen. We should be applauding the people who exposed this so programs that DO help people are held to a higher standard - NOT denigrating the people who brought the corruption to light. We can all agree that child sex trafficking is wrong right?