Glenn Beck and the great straw-man massacre of 2009
September 23, 2009 11:43 am ET by Simon Maloy
So I'm about 70 pages into Glenn Beck's newest book, Arguing with Idiots, and I have to admit, Beck does paint a pretty convincing picture of an idiot. The premise of the book is that Beck is engaged in an ongoing argument with "the idiot," who comes armed with some truly idiotic statements, such as, "They may not be perfect, but France is doing socialism right -- we should be more like them," and, "Private schools aren't beholden to unions, but they should be closed because they're only for the rich."
It should be noted, however, that in these 70 pages, Beck provides just one example -- just one -- of a real person or group actually making the argument he attributes to "the idiot." The rest of "the idiot's" absurdly simplified arguments add up to a crude caricature of the progressive, socialist, communist, fascist, peacenik, pot-smoking, transgender hippies that, in Beck's mind, are destroying the country.
Page 70 offers an excellent example of what I'm talking about. After three pages devoted largely to attacking teachers who refuse to grade papers in red ink, "the idiot" argues: "If we only put as much money into this country's schools as we do its defense, everything would be fine." Beck offers this riposte:
We are all familiar with the bumper stickers pining for the day that the defense budget goes to the schools and the Pentagon has to hold a bake sale, but comparing educational spending with national defense isn't particularly fair, clever, or logical.
First of all, we have to spend on money on defense because if we don't defend our country -- well, the schools won't matter much. Take the Republic of Georgia for instance. Do you really think citizens there are worried about standardized test scores or drunk Russian soldiers driving tanks down their streets?
So we've moved on from Arguing with Idiots to Arguing with Bumper Stickers. I can't tell if that's a step forward, backward, or sideways. Either way, I'm not familiar with those bumper stickers, nor am I familiar with any public education advocates who argue that we stop spending money on national defense. And what does Georgia have to do with any of this? Does anyone begrudge Georgia for spending on its national defense? None of this makes any sense.
To read this book is to watch Glenn Beck argue with himself, and then boast about how he's winning the debate.

















First: Does the monocle seem to leave you confused about the message his book is trying to convey? Could it perhaps be Glenn Beck's impersonation of the subject (or at least one of the many subjects) of his argument? (the idiot, if you didn't already know the answer).
Second: If you don't think that people are idiots, follow this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE5Y3AJpL6g
And, if you think I'm at all racist, here's another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyXxjyFnpck
None of this means that all people are idiots (after all, these examples are merely anecdotal sources; there is no way case examples can make inferences for the whole population). In fact, there might never be an unbiased way to accurately distinguish who in the U.S. is an idiot and who isn't ("idiot," after all, is a rather subjective term).
But, even so, I'm fairly certain that there are quite a few idiots scattered throughout the U.S. If you don't believe me, take a look at this website:
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
I hope you can see Beck's point of view a little bit more. I certainly do.
Third: I sure hope you weren't insulted by that commercial. Only if that conditional statement applied to you would you ever even have a reason to be mad at it (after all, if you were able to find that website, then you obviously wouldn't be an idiot (according to said commercial's own definition).
Fourth: Again, if you're not an idiot, don't worry about it. Glenn Beck isn't patronizing you, he's just patronizing everyone else. You obviously aren't an idiot, since you've educated yourself with his book.
Fifth: True. He is advocating his book. Just like J.K. Rowling advocated for hers, and Barack Obama advocated for his. Isn't that just a characteristic of someone who's trying to get his/her book out into the public eye and (surprise, surprise) make a little money off of it?
And, last of all, I hope you don't have to argue with any idiots anytime soon. But, if in the event that you come across a particularly argumentative idiot, you've now got Glenn Beck's own ammunition on how to argue back with them. See? That wasn't such a big waste of time, now was it?
The Strawman is sacred (h/t to the much-missed Solon) to the right.
One of the most unintentionally funny comments I've seen at this site was the righty who sarcastically congratulated me on getting through an entire post without using the word strawman.He had never pointed out any examples of my using the term inaccurately, but I doubt he understood that he had insulted himself.
I don't know what happened to Solon. I know he wasn't one to suffer idiots (real idiots, not Beck-style invented idiots) and he could get pretty brutal with the more obtuse right wingers, so he got banned once before.
There have been a few wingnut posters here who use that as their M.O. Keep acting like an idiot until somebody gives up trying to reason with an idiot, and calls them an idiot. The idiot can then flag that person for name-calling.
BTW, the comments at Redstate are pretty funny/scary.The paranoid shut-ins seem to have been convinced that ACORN needs to be destroyed, and that the O'Keefe propaganda videos
are the journalistic achievement of the year.
Heck, I'm lucky to remember which sport a team plays from just the name and city.
Don't know about you, but wouldn't that be an awfully long bumper sticker?
The really scary thing about old Glennie's book is someone will actually believe this trash.
Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.
"It will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber."
It can be found at lots of sites:
http://www.northernsun.com/n/s/5729.html
http://www.stickergiant.com/bomber-bake-sale_b5729.html
Among other places.
Glenn misquotes it.
Not sure whether they ever actually made it into a bumper sticker, but considering America's two closest neighbors are nowhere near the military threat to the US that Russia is to Georgia (Remember, the US military budget during the 20s and early 30s was next to nothing), that's not an outright bad idea.
-- I'm not just an entertainer. I'm an influence, a wielder of opinion, a force... a force! -- Lonesome Rhodes
I suppose I'm partly to blame for reading the Bible and not just blindly accepting what everyone else says about it.
-- This whole country's just like my flock of sheep! Rednecks, crackers, hillbillies, hausfraus, shut-ins, pea-pickers - everybody that's got to jump when somebody else blows the whistle. ...They're mine! I own 'em! They think like I do. Only they're even more stupid than I am, so I gotta think for 'em. --
Forget reading his book...just watch the movie "A Face in the Crowd" about the rise and fall of Lonesome Rhodes.
And, I do think he believes he's winning.
BTW - The last time I saw anything arguing with a bumper sticker, it ran on 4 legs and barked after the car it was chasing.
The bumper sticker which you stated you were unfamiliar with is somewhat dated--perhaps it's before your time--but it is easily one of the ten best liberal bumper stickers of all time.
"It will be a great day when the schools have all the money they need and the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber." T-shirt with slogan
As usual, Beck is mischaracterizing. The sticker does not state that all money being spent on the military should be given to the schools; it is instead claiming that the military is fully funded but the nation's education system, by contrast, is not.
http://www.wilpf.org/
(/snark)
It Will Be a Great Day When the Schools Get All the Money They Need and the Air Force Has to Hold a Bake Sale to Buy a Bomber!
I guess the main point I want everyone to get is that we should be more individual oriented rather that party affiliation. That way, we'd be more apt to coming together as a nation and solving our many problems. Take care all.
Someone needs to write a book "Educating Morons", that points out the falacy of the logic of people like Glenn Beck.
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