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On FoxNews.com's Freedom Watch, Napolitano and guest push "secession" from Obama "regime"

September 29, 2009 8:15 am ET by Media Matters staff

During a discussion on FoxNews.com's Freedom Watch, senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano claimed that the White House is taking "an aggressive role in local politics" and wondered if "secession movements" are the answer to maintaining "freedom."  Guest Lew Rockwell - a regular on FoxNews.com - said that "we need to return to the original American principles of secession, of nullification, and of interposition."

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    • Author by tbone (September 29, 2009 8:27 am ET)
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      Lew, which states would you propose secede exactly? I know, let's call them the Confederate States of America! Because that worked out so well the last time.

      Jackasses.
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      • Author by worrierking (September 29, 2009 8:33 am ET)
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        Except this time, no one will stop them.

        Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out Red States.
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    • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 29, 2009 8:34 am ET)
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      It is funny because Sean Hannity has called for the White House to get involved in local politics in regarding the delta smelt. They like stirring up trouble at every which way. This kind of speech is dangerous, and what he is calling for is not an American principle, but a Confederate principle... Does Napolitano understand how a Federal government works? Why are they even airing a segment titled "Secession Movements"? They are trying to legitimize seditious fringe groups.
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      • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (September 29, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
           
        The federal government is the one butting in to local politics by not allowing the water to flow to these people in California. This action was taken by the federal government. Local politicians didn't stop the water from reaching these people. You've (unbelievably) got it exactly backward. The only people that can undo this law are the federal govt. bureaucracies that enacted the laws in the first place. Hannity, the neo-conservative bufoon, can get one right every now and then, too. These people in California are needlessly suffering because of bureaucratic overreach.

        Cheers!
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    • Author by bilbo_dies (September 29, 2009 8:44 am ET)
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      Andrew P. Napolitano (b. June 6, 1950, in Newark, New Jersey) is a former New Jersey Superior Court Judge and now an analyst for FOX News Channel. He is a graduate of Princeton University (where he was a founding member of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton with Justice Samuel Alito) and Notre Dame Law School. Napolitano resigned his judgeship in 1995 to pursue his writing and television career.

      You think that as a former judge he would have more sense than this but; since he is obviously more concerned with his "career" he probably feels this is the best way to keep the dollars rolling in.

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      • Author by reggieperrin (September 30, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
           
        Napolitano was a huge bush critic, do you think taking positions AGAINST Bush's illegal wars (as Napolitano did) is a sure way of keeping and enhancing a career at fox news ???????

        If Lew rockwell had been talking about secession under the Bush "regime", which he did, you guys wouldn't have batted a eyelid, only now lord Obama is in you take notice, the lefts hypocrisy is almost as bad as the rights.
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    • Author by magnolialover (September 29, 2009 9:33 am ET)
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      First of all, and the first question I have is this.

      What freedoms have any of these people lost? Answer? None. They have lost NOTHING. If they don't like the outcome of the election (which apparently, they don't), then work to change the future outcomes of other elections. Talking about seceding is stupid, dangerous, and anti-American. Don't like the government? Let's quite the Union! Yeah, that's the answer.

      These are the kooks in our country, who are getting exposure via FoxNews, and of course, nobody on FoxNews is really disagreeing with them, and they are giving voice to the really super lunatic fringe here. Is this really good and or responsible? That's what FoxNews has to think about in their coverage.
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      • Author by The_Cat (September 29, 2009 10:59 am ET)
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        They are a collection of quitters. Things don't go their way at every single turn, they want to pick up toys and stomp off in a huff. Under George W. Bush, arguably the worst president in 100 years, exactly zero Democratic governors talked secession.

        For me, Sarah Palin is valuable simply because she is a shining example of the new conservative strain of American. She is a quitter, barely making it halfway through her term as governor of Alaska. Had she been elected V.P., how long would she have lasted? Can you see Russia from Alaska? Perhaps from very remote parts of it. Does that equal foreign policy experience? Hardly. She exemplifies the idea that it's better to have opinions than facts, and to use the two interchangeably.

        And, of course, there is FOX Propaganda, the ideal outlet to stir up just these kinds of thoughtless yokels. If it weren't happening in my country, I could actually laugh about it.
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    • Author by Major Tom (September 29, 2009 10:07 am ET)
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      One has to wonder if the secret service is paying specific attention to Fox News Broadcasters... They assert they are simply acting as the voice of oppostion, but they are using rhetoric that is basically treasonous, and intentionally instigating opposition. I'm not saying they don't have the right to say what they are, I'm just saying that they are obviously walking a fine line.
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      • Author by mk3872 (September 29, 2009 10:42 am ET)
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        Conservative media like FNC are out of control. There is ZERO accountability and no controls over their analysts and pundits. So long as the advertising $$ keep coming in, this will not stop.
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      • Author by walstib (September 29, 2009 11:26 am ET)
           
        Took a tour of the Secret Service HQ a while back and was lucky enough to see their info monitoring room - as well as the Beast - and they had CNN, Fox News, and some soap operas on the big screens... smaller ones were monitoring random cable channels...

        The Secret Service tracks these wackjobs.
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        • Author by JustinRaimondo (September 30, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
             
          Oh yes, we definitely need the Secret Service to keep track of how Amerians exercise their First Amendment rights: the FBI, the CIA, and the DIA, too. After all, no one must criticize the Regime!

          Since when did "liberals" become totalitarians? Sheesh!
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    • Author by New Frontier (September 29, 2009 10:56 am ET)
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      These adults are no different than immature kids who don't get everything their way, so they threaten to leave home. But they're too scared to actually do it.
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    • Author by The_Cat (September 29, 2009 11:03 am ET)
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      Napalitano is right about one thing: The way to influence midterm elections is not by organizing communities and encouraging more people to vote. That's the wussy, democratic way. That way, you only hear the voice of the people. Much better if you have your local state attorney generals persecute organizations who register poor and minority voters, and keep them from the voting booth. Much better to purge these same Americans from the voting lists. Right Mr. Rove? I mean, if you can just witch hunt the competition out of business, you don't even have the bother of a campaign. Why, you could probably enjoy a permanent Republican majority if... ooops. Did I say too much?
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    • Author by mk3872 (September 29, 2009 11:07 am ET)
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      Isn't calling for riots and secession just the right-wing bellyaching and whining about LOSING the election ??
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    • Author by The_Cat (September 29, 2009 11:08 am ET)
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      So, Napalitano and Rockwell are on California's side, and will be doing everything they can to keep the medical marijuana shops open, and out from under the thumb of the DEA, right? Right? Are they even aware of the ramifications of the foolishness they're discussing?
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (September 29, 2009 12:45 pm ET)
           
        Napalitano seems to be a strict individualist/state rightest. Other than that I don't think he cares about the medical maijuana issue at all.

        Is there a difference between the controlled distribution of marijuana and say any other prescription drug? Any drug can be abused, societies issue is figuring out how to they want to handle the issue. It is like politics and religion. Complex and sure to cheese someone off when you have a debate about it.
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    • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (September 29, 2009 1:15 pm ET)
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      I would first like to state, as a new member, that this site and its participants are doubleplusgood!
      The concept of secession was an important principle in the 18th and 19th centuries. The original states would have never agreed to enter the union without it. Our Founders and most of the citizenry( being a little more sophisticated in this regard than the majority of the public today) understood this to be the last line of defence aginst an out of control federal government. It didn't start with this president, of course, it's been a long time in the making. We lost our federated constitutional republic a long time ago. We now have a heavily centralized national goverment with the allegedly sovereign state nothing more than glorified vassal states to the Leviathan in D.C.
      I wonder, where will you colectivists turn when the real crisis comes? I am speaking of the currency crisis that is coming. Our glorious central planners and statists in congress are making sure that that outcome is inevitable. Will you again support an economic deictatorship like F.D.R.'s?
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    • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (September 29, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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      As a new member, I would like to state that this site is doubleplusgood!
      The concept of secession was important to the founders and the general public(being a little more sophisticated about such thing than today's public) because they recognized it as a last defense against an out of control federal government. The old federated constitutiotnal republic has been dead for a long time. We now have a highly centralized national(as opposed to federated)government where the alledgedly sovereign states are vassal state to the Leviathan in D.C. We now have a "living consitution," which means we are governed by a blank sheet of paper. This monster didn't begin with the last two buffons in office, but it is accelerating at warp speed now.
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    • Author by GaryD (September 29, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
         
      I suggest Virginia (Where I live), Texas, Georgia, S. Carolina, Mississippi, Tennessee, Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Alaska...
      The thing is that the states are angry because over the past couple decades, they've lost the power they were supposed to have. (The federal government powers are only what's enumerated in the Constitution, Article I, Sec VIII. The states get powers over all other items such as health care, taxes, education...)
      Why they waited so long, who knows.
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    • Author by ThePiperFromArkansas (September 30, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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      Wow. It's amazing how very little anyone here knows about...anything. For starters, those who equivilate Lew Rockwell and Judge Napolitano with the Republicans are way out of line. These are two men who are advocates of liberty, which holds no value to either party. Neither endorsed a mainstream Republican candidate nor would they. What is always sickening is the comments that secession is seditious and treasonous. We are a country which was founded upon secession. Maybe everyone here needs to go back and take American History, because not a single one of you know what you are talking about.

      Also, here are a couple of sites you should visit if you want know what these men actually advocate, not what you hear from your demaguoges in the media.

      www.lewrockwell.com
      www.mises.org

      Read up and hopefully you'll learn some history.
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    • Author by siaoliao (September 30, 2009 12:30 pm ET)
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      What's wrong with secession? Don't we approve of the colonists' secession from Great Britain and the former Soviet satellites secession from the USSR?
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    • Author by dickfitz29302 (September 30, 2009 11:18 pm ET)
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      Napolitano and Rockwell are 100% correct- the only chance that this country has is to split into small separate regions, governed autonomously. Get rid of Washington DC and let each state or region take care of their own internal matters. Don't like the drug laws in California? Move to Arizona. Don't like the tax system in Florida? Move to Texas. If each state was forced to compete with the others for money and population, then they would pass laws that made life easier for their citizens.

      As it stands now we are all captives of DC, and the "One Size MUST Fit ALL" policies is enacts. Competing states would have incentive to manage their own laws more effectively.

      The US experiment had a good run. Let it be seen as a failure, and start anew.
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    • Author by freestylefellowship (October 01, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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      It's amazing the amount of hate simply endorsing the PRINCIPLE of secession evokes from some people. I suppose they just ignore the fact that the modern American state was founded on the principle of secession.. but I suppose that was different. You can't SECEDE from AMERICA, Land of the Free! You must be a racist slave-owning flag burner! They gave you a vote in a completely controlled 2 party election, what more do you want? The complete ignorance of some of these comments is unfathomable.
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