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Glenn Beck's average Americans

September 29, 2009 2:42 pm ET by John V. Santore

On his Fox program last Friday (rebroadcast on Monday), Glenn Beck hosted a group of moms who theoretically represented what is on the minds of the American people. "Tonight," he explained, "we're going to talk to actual people about what concerns average Americans."

"When regular people oppose the government-run health care," Beck explained, "and let their voices be heard at town halls and tea parties all across the country, they're labeled 'angry mobs' and 'tea-baggers,' and now, 'domestic terrorists,' 'gun-toting radicals.' Do these look like gun-toting radicals to you?"

Beck drove the point home: "I think you're going to find their concerns quite normal, indeed, and rational."

So what are "normal" and "rational" concerns in the mind of Glenn Beck?

Average Americans believe that the Obama administration and the mainstream media are tearing America apart along racial lines

One of Beck's guests, an African-American woman named Mary Baker, stated her belief that "in this time in our nation, we should be together," before lamenting that, "It seems like we're being so torn apart." Beck asked who was to blame, and culprits were quickly assigned. "It's the government," one guest said. "It's the media, for sure," said another. Stephanie Scruggs, a 9-12 Project coordinator, was even more specific:

The only people I have heard doing the name-calling are Nancy Pelosi, the pundits on CNN, the pundits on ABC, NBC. I quit watching regular news on the night of the election when they called me a racist because I happen to live in the South and didn't vote for Barack Obama. So, I must be a racist. I don't watch them anymore.

Regarding Ms. Baker, she is the author of a recently published editorial entitled, "Why I am no longer an African American," a piece she mentioned on Beck's program. The article argues that Obama's election "has resulted in even more racial division" and that we are witnessing a resurgence of "anti-American sentiments" stemming form "the Black Power Movement, Nation of Islam, or the Black Nationalist Movement." "The classification of me as an African American," Ms. Baker writes, "says that although I live in America, my loyalty and allegiance are to Africa."

Ms. Baker concludes her piece with the following argument:

Is this division amongst us perpetrated by our very own government? It is obvious that the inspiration for the classification of African American has nothing to do with those born of African descent. It is a radical group of Black Americans who hold to the anti-American views of those shared by Jeremiah Wright, Professor Gates, Jesse Jackson, President Obama and many others who came out of the radical Civil Rights Movement.

Promoting the idea that Obama's election has turned black radicalism and nationalism into the official policies of the United States government is an explicit goal of the current conservative media movement. Stoking racial tensions is clearly a goal as well. And, as usual, the blame is fixed exactly 180 degrees away from where it should be. The promotion of such beliefs is not the work of the White House or MSNBC. Rather, it is Beck who is hyping the specter of race-based policies by invoking the theme of "reparations," and it was media conservatives who called the president and his first Supreme Court nominee, Sonia Sotomayor, racists. By contrast, it was President Obama who, during his first national speech in 2004, stated plainly and unequivocally, "We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America."

Average Americans believe that vaccinations are part of a government plot to exert "control" over our families

On the program, Beck implied that he was against flu shots. "I'm talking to one of the top five doctors in the world," he said (the world-renowned physician was not named), "and I'm trying to find out the flu. Am I going to allow the government to give my child a flu shot?"

"No, don't do it," a mother responded." "Take them out of school," said another. "You know what this is about?" a third guest asked. "One word -- it is about control." Later in the program, a mother who was homeschooling her children explained her decision: "I didn't want them being exposed to everything that they're exposed to in schools. I didn't want to vaccinate even on the government's schedule."

The list of government-mandated inoculations for children attending public and private schools includes such historically devastating diseases as hepatitis, pneumonia, whooping cough, measles, mumps, and polio. The fact that infection and death rates from these diseases have fallen so precipitously over the years is undoubtedly connected in large part to widespread inoculations. (A 2007 Harvard study estimated that 1.1 million cases of polio alone have been prevented in the United States.) And yet, Beck allowed his show to promote a generalized rejection of such a practice, one considered a staple of modern medicine.

Average Americans believe that the United Nations is stripping them of their right to raise their children as they see fit

On the program, a guest made the following claim, which Beck allowed to stand without challenge:

Parental rights are being taken away by the United Nations right now. Barbara Boxer is very involved with the United Nations Children's Rights Commission, trying to put our children's rights, including going to church, going to do homework, anything of that -- they can be taken out of your home.

The United Nations Special Commission on Human Rights is indeed focusing on issues involving children. As the commission's website explains:

While victims of injustice and poverty have always had trouble being heard, none have had more trouble, historically, than children. Whether exploited as child labourers or prostitutes, drafted as young teenagers into armed forces, forced as young girls into a lonely life as domestic workers, deprived of an education to work on the family farm, or denied adequate nutrition and health care, children need help and protection from an adult world that perpetrates most of the abuse.

Further statistics highlighted by the U.N. include:

In the last decade, an estimated two million children have been killed in armed conflict, many of them by some of the 100 million landmines thought to be concealed in 62 countries. A total of perhaps four to five million more have been disabled as a result of their experience in war, and more than 12 million have been made homeless.

And:

As for child labour, while experts agree that there are few accurate statistics available, the best estimates from the ILO [International Labour Organization] are that there are nearly 80 million children under 15 working as labourers. It is also estimated that the number of children under 18 involved in prostitution exceeds two million, one million of whom are in Asia and 300,000 in the United States.

Despite such horrific realities -- realities which the United Nations is at the very least publicizing in the hope that they might be addressed -- Beck allowed his program to serve as a forum for the broadcast of blatantly anti-U.N. views. The substance of the actual work of the U.N. Human Rights Commission was not addressed. This should be surprising, considering Beck's rage against the former ACORN employees who offered advice on how to set up a fake underage brothel.

Are these truly average Americans?

There were many other parts of the broadcast that are worthy of correction -- guests, for example, blamed Obama for "apologizing for freedom," bowing "to kings," and asking forgiveness "from dictators" -- all falsehoods that networks like Fox have actively pushed, even cropping the president's words in a deliberately deceptive fashion to make the point.

But the central question viewers should ask themselves after watching a show like this one is the following: Are these the kind of views we want to become "average" in America? Beck is doing his best to create such a reality. The confusion and misguided concern that result from his misinformation are obvious for all to see, and should make the deleterious nature of the conservative media machine all the more apparent.

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    • Author by all your eyes (September 29, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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      Sadly, in large swaths of rural, white America, these views are already "average." What's worse, I'm seeing more and more birther bumper stickers here in blue-state NJ. Very disturbing.
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      • Author by Cannonball (September 29, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
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        My mother in law has moved in with us for health reasons. She is a wonderful person, generous, friendly and engaging. The three care givers who visited her were of African, Indian and Pakastani descent. She engaged each of them in a personal nature with respect and genuine interest. Everyone who knows "Babe", loves her.

        However, she is afraid that Obama is too foreign too understand our needs and has never voted anything but a straight GOP ticket for fear of abortionists, homosexuals who assault children to make them homosexual, lazy black people who would rather be "on the dole than work for a living", democrats that are really socialists, and the faint of heart liberals who would dismantle our military and leave us at the mercy of terrorists and communists.

        This is your average GOP voter. She has never watched Fox channel or Rush Limbaugh. She spends her days doing crossword puzzles and watching the home shopping networks (you should see her collection of cheap jewelry!). Yes, there are the dead-enders who follow Glenn Beck types, but the majority of these people simply live in a self-constructed worldview defined by vague stereotypical impressions of yesteryears.

        We need to look at the generation growing on our high school and college campuses now...are they learning to use their brains to think or simply absorbing the cr@p on tv?
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        • Author by Major Tom (September 29, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
             
          ... AND where did these sterotypes emerge, and who perpetuates them>? I'm guessing she didn't just divine these opinions from the ether... I'm pretty sure there have been some people who have reinforced those opinions... and I'm pretty sure nowadays, those people watch fox and listen to limbaugh.
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          • Author by Cannonball (September 29, 2009 4:35 pm ET)
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            She's 85, so for her, it's just her children. Half are very liberal, like my wife, and the other half do listen to that garbage and believe it. But how could her kids fall into two separate camps with such a large divide? It can't be tv, it must be something more. I note that two of her GOP sons are ex-military and another one is a Yale grad with a J.D. from chicago Law School who works as a patent atty (but, ironically he despised the rich kids at yale who looked down on him for having to work parttime).

            Anyway, your point is well taken, but tv doesn't make one mindless, it simply that one watches the shows that support one's world view. And if you are saying that family helps form the worldview, I agree, but there must be more to it thna that are all her kids would think like she does.
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            • Author by afroxander (September 29, 2009 5:10 pm ET)
                 
              Two very excellent and insightful comments, Cannonball. Thank you for sharing. :)
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            • Author by LaurenMarie (September 30, 2009 8:28 pm ET)
                 
              Psychology studies have found that a lot of these views are innate and a result of evolutionary changes. For example, this fear of Obama trying to indoctrinate children and turn us into a socialist nation stems from primitive drives to protect the group from outside threats (origin of "birthers"), fear of change or unplanned events that threatens survival (first black president), etc.

              I'm actually pretty confident that your mother-in-laws views are her own and people like Glenn Beck did not create them, simply exacerbate these bassist human drives.
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        • Author by 4EverOutKasted (September 29, 2009 5:21 pm ET)
             
          Very good point. It's true some people are just set in their ways and isn't going to change. They're not influenced by media, some are just influenced on how they were raised. My personal opinon of the GOP is that they don't want to see any change. We should still live like the days of the constitution or Ronald Reagan Presidential times. It seem like that is their highlight (not either of the Bush's presidential times). Everything is all good as long as they are in charge. When a Democrat gets in power, the world will end because that Democrat's views aren't align with the GOP.
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      • Author by missy T (September 29, 2009 4:30 pm ET)
           
        Is Obama one of the Anti Christ Top Soldiers? He,Pelosi,Biden,Czars, and those Dem's that jumped on the band wagon have done nothing but create discord in America.

        I cannot believe what is going on here in America right now.

        Why the heck do we "Sane" Americans move to impeach this guy. The dem's use him to destroy the rest of us.

        Also, all the cash going to pay the salaries of these CZARS is rediculous.

        Is Obama too lazy to work on the issues himself? Does he pay them to do his work so that he has time to show up on TV and events in other countries?

        Show me or tell me one thing that Obama has done that we as americans can be proud of.

        He is so weak and looks like a fool.

        I especially think he and the rest of his party are cry babies. That is why they show so much bious to the Fox News Channel.

        How can you read someone's lips if their lips do not move.

        I am sick of everyone.

        Missy T
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 30, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
             
          You seem very informed, reasonable and well-adjusted, Missy T. Please stay away from sharp objects.
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    • Author by walstib (September 29, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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      They aren't average Americans but they sure sound like the average Georgians I have the misfortune to interact with on a daily basis.

      If only I could get away with the occasional, "Cracker, please"...
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 29, 2009 3:05 pm ET)
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        Well-below-average Americans, but from the bottom of the barrel perspective of Glenn Beck, average is relative.

        I do have to appreciate the idea that there wasn't any racism until Obama had the nerve to be elected President.Right wingers can't seem to get past the idea that something doesn't exist simply because they don't talk about it or because they deny it.
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        • Author by Victor Colorado (September 29, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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          Oh Col., you know we're dealing with very special powers of perception here. Take for instance Stephanie Scruggs, a 9-12 Project coordinator who has not watched the pundits on CNN, ABC, and NBC since November 3, 2008. Not tuning in and listening to any of the pundits on CNN, ABC, and NBC has not stopped her from knowing that the pundits on CNN, ABC, and NBC are the only people she's "heard doing the name-calling." She's super good at knowing stuff. Things too!
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 29, 2009 3:32 pm ET)
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            Many on the right wing seem to have these super powers. They may not be able to see obvious logic and credibility problems with their own trusted sources, but they are able to dissect sources they refuse to look at.
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            • Author by Victor Colorado (September 29, 2009 3:55 pm ET)
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              So true. Have you noticed how extra special pointofview's powers have become? Just yesterday he or she revealed to everyone who frequents these comment sections that I love Hilter. He or she got me good. I had asserted my opinion that the NYT in not liberal and I did so by citing the NYT's now infamous role in boosting the Bush Administration's lies to a preemptive war on Iraq. Then he outed me and my love for Hitler. Mad skillz has that one.
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              • Author by congero6189599 (September 29, 2009 5:04 pm ET)
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                Yea, I saw that VC he called you,us,"loony liberal hitler loving blah blah blahs," or something like that. Dang where does that come from. Mad skillz...on another thread kydem is predicting a major scandal that will be bring down the administration. You'd think that after getting everything wrong the last 8 yrs. they'd put up their crystal balls huh!
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (September 29, 2009 5:35 pm ET)
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                I saw that too, and was pretty impressed.I think what brought it on was an incident of the NY Times promoting some GOP theme, refuted by POinty's "Nah-ah, the NYTimes is liberal!"

                At first glance, this may not seem like much of an argument, but the liberal-ness of the Times is well documented in quotes from reliable jounalists like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh.

                As for the Hitler-loving remark, you may have missed it, but another very sober right wing poster recently revealed that "Neo-Cons" is code for "Jews". Have you made any disparaging remarks about Neocons? If so, your love of Hitler is clear.

                Also noted by many informed rightys is the fact that the National Socialist Party includes the word "socialist", which puts Hitler squarely on the left.

                The Left's fascination with Hitler is well documented at this site. If MMFA isn't posting pictures of teabaggers with signs depicting Hitler, or noticing the Goebbels-esque tactics of the right wing media, they're showing video clips of right wing tv hosts talking about Hitler.

                Hitler,Hitler,Hitler, it seems to be all the lefty's can talk about.

                I don't think I've seen a group of people this obsessed with Hitler since those millions of Hitler lovers went over to Europe in the 1940s just to be near Hitler.

                The only other explanation for the "Hitler Love" remark is that Pointy, like many other wingnuts here, has just given up trying to have a reality-based conversation, and is reduced to saying ridiculous things like "You love Hitler!".
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    • Author by The New Pilgrims (September 29, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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      This is the same Glenn Beck who once called a woman on live morning radio and mocked her recent miscarriage.

      This is the same Glenn Beck who once spent months touting the opening of a new underground amusement park and then mocked fans who tried to find it, unaware that the joke was on them.

      This is the same Glenn Beck who was admitted into Yale but couldn't even complete one class.

      And now he's suddenly America's self-appointed moral compass, champion of the downtrodden?

      Yeah, that's the Glenn Beck I'm talking about.
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    • Author by goesto11 (September 29, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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      There's no question that Obama's election "has resulted in even more racial division."

      That's because there are a lot of Americans who have completely lost their minds at the thought of a black man as president.

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    • Author by Major Tom (September 29, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
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      Yes, and what about those black helicopters sparying chem trails while cesus workers confiscate our guns and tin foil hats just because we stockpile gold and ammunition so we can home school our kids away from vaccinations and tolerance in preperation for the end of the world in 2012-when jesus told the Mayans we would all rapture into heaven while the rest of the world goes to hell?
      What about that smarty pants MMFA?
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      • Author by rumpleteasermom (September 29, 2009 4:13 pm ET)
           
        Just a favor to ask, Major - Please don't paint all homeschoolers with such a broad brush. I know you mean well and your post is witty and not really intended to vilify all homeschoolers.

        I happen to be a longtime homeschooling mom, 15 years now and one year to go till, my youngest is considered an adult. I believe Glenn Beck is certifiable and I probably disagree with 90% of the opinions held by his panel of "average" moms. I am agnostic at best, I am rather left-leaning although I prefer not to be labeled because while I lean extremely left on many things, I lean far to the other side occasionally too. I think health care reform is one of the most important issues on the table and a public option is imperative if we aren't going to go for a single-payer system but are going to mandate coverage. I think ACORN is being screwed by the media, the same media that ignored the YPM half of the voter registration fraud story last year and is only paying attention to the ACORN story because there are no rich guys complaining about the coverage being unfair.

        My point though, is that not all homeschoolers are religious wing-nuts. There are a lot of us out here who would surprise you if you think that.
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        • Author by Major Tom (September 30, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
             
          My aunt and uncle homeschool their kids... No Offense intended to all homeschoolers.
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        • Author by Major Tom (September 30, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
             
          My aunt and uncle homeschool their kids... No Offense intended to all homeschoolers.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (September 29, 2009 3:04 pm ET)
         
      I grew up around people with these "average American" views. I did everything I could possibly do to distance myself from them. But they still frighten me because I know these people really believe this garbage and won't change their minds for all my trying. The only way I know how to deal with them is to smile and walk the other way as quickly as possible, but keep looking over your shoulder, just in case.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (September 29, 2009 3:11 pm ET)
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      In other words, average Americans are ignorant, paranoid, conspiracy freaks who watch Glennn Beck.

      BTW, I wonder if Glennn Beck was nervous...you know, standing that close to an actual black pwerson.
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      • Author by Major Tom (September 29, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
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        Vaccinations? Really? What evil agenda could the government possibly be hiding with a polio shot?... Its easy to mock, but this is frightening that people are so willing to believe their government is actively trying to kill/sterilze them...

        ...and one of those mothers said she was upset with homosexual tolerance being taught in school... What is the alternative? Silence (or tacit approval of discrimination) or what? Chastising the poor kids?

        the next Beck show... White supremacist mothers and what they are concerned about?...
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        • Author by epkklk851 (September 29, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
             
          Vacination causes Autism, or so the word is on the grapevine. I had a Catholic school principal who seemed to believe that. And yes, I guess they want the schools to teach that being gay is a sin or a serious character defect. And it is fine to teach that if you know that everyone is straight and will never be or meet anyone who isn't, but I don't know where that place is. Homophobia is really rampant in schools sadly.
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          • Author by Major Tom (September 29, 2009 3:50 pm ET)
               
            Not sure about that Autism claim... I've heard that too, but my mother, before she retired, worked at the health dept and vaccinated thousands of kids. I don't think they became autistic, and I was vaccinated, and I'm certainly not... so...

            Vaccinations are also accused of causing guillen Bare Syndrome.. But my brother came down with that from getting the cold. (It is paralysis caused by the body's immune system attacking itself.) He was asked repeatedly if he had a vaccination recently, by everyone but the doctors, but he hadn't... so these tenuous examples of the evils of vaccinations are not compelling for me.
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            • Author by bintx (September 29, 2009 3:59 pm ET)
                 
              Are you talking about Guillain Barre Syndrome? Eating campylobacter jejuni contaminated chicken [which is ALL commercial chicken] which hasn't been properly cooked is the most common cause of it. [had a case where Plaintiff claimed undercooked chicken caused cj infection which, in turn, caused GBS. Learned WAY more about foodborne illness than I ever wanted to learn! LOL!]

              As a person with a genetic predisposition for autoimmune disorders, I am advised to avoid vaccinations, but the reason is not because there is something wrong with the vaccines . . . it's my genetic makeup.

              As for autism, the link has been debunked. Autism is more commonly diagnosed today than it was in the past. In the past, these children were labeled "mentally retarded."
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              • Author by Major Tom (September 29, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
                   
                Yeah.. I'm not known for my spelling abilities... I never heard about the poultry conection though, interesting.
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                • Author by bintx (September 29, 2009 4:49 pm ET)
                     
                  Campylobacter jejuni is also the number one cause of gastroenteritis in the world. Most people who have a cj infection think they have a "stomach virus." I learned WAY too much about foodborne illnesses! LOL! I didn't want to eat ANYTHING!

                  Did you brother recover completely from GBS? Most people usually do . . . hope he did, too.

                  http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol4no2/allos.htm
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                  • Author by Major Tom (September 29, 2009 5:00 pm ET)
                       
                    Yes, but it was touch and go... he was intubated for about 10 days. He almost died of multiple infections and complete paralysis. We moved him from a regular hospital to a hospital in a rich part of town. And his treatment was night and day... In the first hospital they refused to feed him after 5 days without food. They needed to get a doctor to ok giving him antibiotics and the doctor was never around... What's worse, the docs in the better hospital said they were doing the treatment incorrectly in the first... He recovered completely.. amazingly...
                    What I learned from this... Don't get sick in a poor neighborhood.
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                  • Author by epkklk851 (September 29, 2009 5:23 pm ET)
                       
                    Actually, if you remember back to the 70s, there was one flu shot associated with Guillain-Barre, but that makes sense, vaccinations are grown in chicken eggs, so that must have meant that the series in the 70s was contaminated. And it also explains why they would tell you to stay away from vaccinations, bintx. Interesting the things you pick up on MMFA.
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            • Author by epkklk851 (September 29, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
                 
              I had my daughters vaccinated, if it was good enough for me, well, it was good enough for them. I haven't ever investigated the claims of Autism. I saw something about a year ago that said there was no connection, but I haven't investigated. I know that diseases can spread through a school like wildfire if children aren't vaccinated, and some things are coming back because of the parents that don't vaccinate. When my children were small, there was an outbreak of hard measles that started in the San Bernardino County Jail. Several prisoners, young adults died because they hadn't been given a strong enough dose as a child. I happened to fall into the bubble date, and had to get a shot myself. I stood in line with a girl on each hand, I got my shot first, didn't flinch, and held their hands as they got their shots and we sang a song from "Charlotte's Web." Shots may cause problems, I really don't know, but I do know that measles can kill and so can diptheria and polio and thousands would get sick and maybe crippled. We are better off without them, so I say give that kid a shot.
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        • Author by John Paradox (September 29, 2009 3:52 pm ET)
             
          I regularly read about anti-vaxxers on another blog, and one thread recently blamed the 'left' (hippies, ecology extremists) for being the backers. Guess that idea has just been put to sleep (exc. in Fox World).
          There are even regular links on the blog to anti-anti-vax sites:
          http://antiantivax.flurf.net/
          http://factsnotfantasy.com/vaccines.html
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    • Author by rtejon (September 29, 2009 3:22 pm ET)
         
      I find it amusing that someone would suggest, with a straight face, that the UN wants to take away parenting duties, when every year, the US invariably has the highest divorce rate in the world.
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    • Author by mk3872 (September 29, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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      Yup, Beck is 100% right on!

      Calling blacks racists and that black kids beat up a white kid on a bus because he was white and that Obama has a problem with white people is NOT creating racial divisions. See?

      Calling them OUT on it, THAT is creating racial divisions.

      LOL!
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    • Author by bintx (September 29, 2009 3:34 pm ET)
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      These may be "average Americans," but they are woefully uninformed average Americans.
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    • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 29, 2009 3:44 pm ET)
         
      I'm a white male who lives in the south, though born in New York, who voted for Obama, and I don't agree with Fox News' sentiments.

      These people are spouting the ignorance that Fox passes off as news. They must have done a casting call at the NRA headquarters for these moms...

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      The Midnight Review
      Mum Is The Word
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      • Author by Major Tom (September 29, 2009 3:51 pm ET)
           
        They seemed to be very knowledgable of Ron Paul... So I guess at least some of them are libertarians.
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        • Author by themidnightreview.com (September 29, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
             
          Anyone who has taken a statistics course can tell that Beck did not create a balanced sample...
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          • Author by benjr (September 29, 2009 4:10 pm ET)
               
            You know logic and reason is like kryptonite for Beck. . . It's just so anti-American for you to bring that up. Why do you hate your country?
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    • Author by afroxander (September 29, 2009 4:03 pm ET)
         
      I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
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    • Author by SLRTX (September 29, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
         
      From your report: "guests, ... blamed Obama for "apologizing for freedom," bowing "to kings," and asking forgiveness "from dictators"

      None of these "average Americans" seem to remember GW Bush's hand-holding with the Saudi Prince:
      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/27/eveningnews/main691413.shtml

      Conservatives can't win on the real issues. So they pander to the ignorant and stupid. Unfortunately, there are a lot of ignorant and stupid people in this country.
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