Newsmax columnist: Military coup "to resolve the 'Obama problem' " is not "unrealistic"
September 29, 2009 5:57 pm ET by Terry Krepel
From John L. Perry's September 29 Newsmax column:
There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.
America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it.
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Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?
Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.
Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.
Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don't shrug and say, "We can always worry about that later."
In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.
UPDATE: Newsmax has removed the column. More here. And here's a copy of the column Newsmax removed.
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Hopefully these RW gun-nut seperatist traitors have the good sense to realise that ANY organized violence against any State or the Federal Gov't of the United States will not only fail laughably, but would likely result in legislation that makes the USA Patriot Act look like the Declaration of Independence. (At which point the ACLU would be the RW's ONLY HOPE. Ironic, isn't it?)
I'd honestly hate to see that happen, because I actually BELIEVE in the 1st and 2nd Ammendments. Last time I checked though, they didn't protect sedition, secession or armed insurrection. I hope these fools can think at least two steps ahead, but sadly I doubt it.
The way things are going, they're going to ruin this country whether they win or lose. The only path that doesn't lead to one hell or the other would be for them to STFU, grow the f--- up and start acting like responsible adult citizens of this great nation. But they don't seem to want to do THAT anytime soon.
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Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are the worst Americans since Benedict Arnold
1) To prevent armed insurrection by putting fear of the People in the Government thus forcing the government to follow the People
2) To make armed insurrection an option if, and only if, the government has stopped responding to all of the preceding methods outlined in the First Amendment (freedom of speech, freedom to protest, freedom to petition for redress of grievances) and there's no peaceful option.
Secession is an absolute right of the states. Jefferson recommended that we first try nullification (refusing to enforce tyrannical federal laws), but he spoke at length about the right to secession. States entered the union freely, on their own accord, thus they should be allowed to exit it freely, on their own accord.
Read a freaking book.
I don't support any kind of overthrow because it will inevitably lead to civil war and it's not the time, but we need to vote this guy out in 2012 because he is just another George Bush. If we keep going for terrible presidents armed insurrection will be assured and the country will go through another civil war.
You show me a single, solitary "tyranical law" and I'll march right along side you when the revolution happens.
Until then? You got nothin'. And yes, people who spew this kind of ignorant rheteric ARE RW nut-cases.
PROVE ME WORNG. ONE EXAMPLE. THAT'S ALL I ASK.
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Otherwise: GET A BRAIN, MORAN!!!
Because you've still yet to give even HALF of an example of anything UNCONSTITUTONAL.
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Try again, once you're vertical again.
Start with the Patriot Act. Then, read history. History is the story of one repressive, tyrannical government followed by another, sprinkled with a few gaps where there is some semblance of freedom. For the most part, the Republic that our forefathers fought and died for is the exception to history, rather than the rule. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. That means once it is obtained, it must continually be guarded with a vengeance. Because as history proves over and over again, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Do you need any more to go on?
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I WAS udner the impression that was who we were talking about after all.
How about some new examples of unconstitutional and/or tyrannical laws signed or actions taken by Obama, though?
Firing the CEO of GM - LOL
The American Reinvestment and Recovery Act -
Do you even realize how much unconstitutional garbage there was in this thing? My city is getting a 3.6 million dollar foot path; when the people who originally asked for the grant were questioned regarding it they said that they were absolutely shocked that they got the grant.
The "Czars" -
Well if he has the right to fire the CEO of a private company surely he has the right to appoint someone to decide how much money is too much money and force the overprosperous bastard back down to an acceptable pay grade!
Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act -
Just what the hell gives the Federal government the power to ban flavored cigarettes?
Giving GM and Chrysler money from TARP - That blank check trick sure did work wonders!
Helping Families Save Their Homes Act -
"No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."
Cash for Clunkers - Let me guess, interstate commerce?
And what do we have on the horizon?
More socialized health care, Cap and Trade, increased power to the Federal Reserve which is an unconstitutional monster in the first place, NAIS and more. Tomorrow's forecast? Tyranny with a 50% chance of revolution.
Some point to the "general welfare" stipulation in Clause 1 as a key provision granting the federal government the authority to regulate health care. However, in The Federalist No. 41, James Madison, the "Father of the Constitution," argued that "general welfare" in Clause 1 does not give the federal government unlimited power, and thereby rendering each of the following clauses redundant. Madison asked rhetorically, "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power? He continued, "Nothing is more natural nor more common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars."
In Federalist Paper No. 45, "The Alleged Danger From the Powers of the Union to the State Governments Considered", James Madison stated: "Having shown that no one of the powers transferred to the federal government is unnecessary or improper, the next question to be considered is, whether the whole mass of them will be dangerous to the portion of authority left in the several States... The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State".
Madison sought to address concerns of critics who warned that the "general welfare" clause opened the door to unlimited abuse. The Federalist Papers were public arguments to try to convince people to ratify the Constitution. They weren't just writing about the general welfare clause for the heck of it. There was a real concern by people who were opposed to the Constitution that the general welfare clause would give unlimited power to the federal government to do whatever it wanted, claiming it was done to 'support the general welfare.' Referencing the "general welfare" concerns, Madison even accused critics of "laboring for objections" by "stooping to such a misconstruction." It wasn't just the opponents of the Constitution saying there had to be limits to this. It was the proponents of the Constitution who were saying, in order for it to be general welfare, it must apply to one of the enumerated powers. Because the power to regulate each citizen's medical care is not included among enumerated powers, the federal government does not have the authority to mess with America's health care system.
What about the courts? What have they had to say on this matter? Well, In Linder v. United States, 268 U.S. 5, 18, 45 S. Ct. 446 (1925), the court ruled: "Obviously, direct control of medical practice in the states is beyond the power the federal government." And in U.S. v. Anthony, 15 Supp. 553, 555, (S.D. Ca., 1936) and U.S. v. Evers, 453 F. Supp. 1141, 1150 (M.D. Ala., 1978), the court ruled: "...The direct control of medical practice has been left to the states." And, in Railroad Retirement Board v. Alton Railroad Co, 295 U.S. 330, 55 S. Ct. 758 (1935), the United States Supreme Court said, "Provision for free medical assistance, nursing, clothing, food, housing, and education of children, and a hundred other matters might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry.... These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power.”
The federal government does not have the power to regulate Americans simply because they are there. Significantly, in two key cases, United States v. Lopez (1995) and United States v. Morrison (2000), the Supreme Court specifically rejected the proposition that the commerce clause allowed Congress to regulate noneconomic activities merely because, through a chain of causal effects, they might have an economic impact. These decisions reflect judicial recognition that the commerce clause is not infinitely elastic and that, by enumerating its powers, the framers denied Congress the type of general police power that is freely exercised by the states.
Lastly, Congress cannot use its power to tax solely as a means of controlling conduct that it could not otherwise reach through the commerce clause or any other constitutional provision. In the 1922 case Bailey v. Drexel Furniture, the Supreme Court ruled that Congress could not impose a "tax" to penalize conduct that it could not also regulate under the commerce clause.
The U.S. Constitution does not authorize ANY form of government run insurance, nor government interference in Health care, period. This is a matter for each state to decide for themselves; just as it was meant, and expressed, in the 10th Amendment, which states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people".
It is estimated that "obamacare" will cost at least 100 Billion dollars a year (1 Trillion over 10 years). Where is that money going to come from? According to David Walker, the U.S. comptroller general and head of the Government Accountability Office, we already have "53 Trillion in liabilities and unfunded commitments, from Medicare, to Social Security, to public debt on pensions, that will grow by $2 trillion to $3 trillion every year and burden our children and their children after them... and that within the next five years, if nothing is done”, will bring us a serious economic catastrophe”.
If that weren't enough, we have an 11.6 Trillion dollar National Debt (and climbing). In only his first six months in office, President Obama watched as the government added to the debt a staggering 1 TRILLION dollars; a new record! Add to that the 2.3 Trillion dollars stolen from and owed to the Social Security Trust Fund; and the 4 Trillion dollars missing (and unaccounted for) from the Pentagon over the last 20 years.
And lastly, a 2.2 Trillion Dollar Budget Deficit for fiscal year 2009 (also a new record), and “trillion-dollar deficits for years to come” according to CBO estimates. This is a staggering amount of money! Do you realize just how much 1 Trillion dollars is? Well, if you put 1 Million dollars a day in a piggy bank, every day for 2,000 Years (year 9 thru 2009), you would ONLY have 730,000,000,000. (That's 730 BILLION dollars). 1,000,000.00 X 365 (Days) = 365,000,000.00. 365,000,000.00 X 2,000 (Years) = 730,000,000,000.00. A Million dollars a day for 2,000 Years, and you don't even have 3/4 of a Trillion dollars.
Instead of talking about spending even more money we do NOT have, we should be making serious cuts to the federal government Immediately! When will America wake up?
"Secession is an absolute right of the states."
I've got 600,000 civil war dead that say otherwise, you doofus.
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Try again.
I don't know your age, but from your language and description of "nut cases" or what ever you said, i think you could be young. Young enough not to see a right being ripped from you. We are slowly but steadily losing our rights, ironically, in the call of freedom and tolerance. Young people don't remember or have the experience to see what "a" leads to "b", to "c" etc. some of the rw gun nuts, you are talking about are aligned with the founders of this country. I don't agree that the founders were all Christians, etc, but one thing is for sure, they believed in freedom and the freedom to change governments when the existing one is not doing right. Without this right, or the knowledge and care of this right, we are under tyrannical reign. There doesn't need to be a specific example for you. In my opinion, the request of a specific example proves the existance of it. When a government does a little that the people don't agree with, well, whatever. But there is nothing that this government is doing that anyone agrees with. And if you do agree with it, it is because you have believed the spin. now I personally believe Obama has good intentions and truly wants what is best for this country, however, he is not experienced enough or "free" enough to do it. He has to answer to all those people that control him and his party. The other side isn't any different, I know that. I don't know what we are going to do, but, I do know that many opposed the Revolution. many opposed the Civil war. They both happened and this country was better because of it. One of the founders said something like, and I am not quoting for fear of getting it wrong, but it was something like "one who trades freedom for peace, nor will have it or deserves it". I for one do not want world peace if it means giving up a sovereign nation. I don't want peace in this country if it means losing all we have to other countries in the name of a world united nation. forget that. i will stop now, i just wanted to say that from your comments, you reminded me of a short sighted child who was looking to satisfy a small issue and unknowlingly created a monster. Thank God for the RW who at least hold true to their beliefs regardless of peace or sacrafice.
Now let's have some fun...
There doesn't need to be a specific example for you. In my opinion, the request of a specific example proves the existance of it.
Typical conservative. Ask for evidence, get none. And waht's worse, though par for the course, the LACK of evidence is somehow used as proof. (I bet you're a religious man too, aren't you?) Thanks for conceding the point: you got nothing.
When a government does a little that the people don't agree with, well, whatever.
Now I see how you viewed Bush and his trillion dollar boondoggle in Iraq that's killed 4000+ american soldiers. "Whatever."
But there is nothing that this government is doing that anyone agrees with.
An absurd exageration even by your standards. Where did you get this? Fox news? AM Radio? And what IS IT about what they're doing that YOU (not 'everyone', that's b*llsh!t) YOU disagree with? Anything that's ACTUALLY HAPPENING or just more nonsense spoon-fed to you by Fox and Talk Radio?
"one who trades freedom for peace, nor will have it or deserves it".
I believe it was Benjamin Franklin, and you got it close enough for argument's sake. (I think it was "security," not "peace," but close enough.) I love that quote, personally. I believe in it too. It's pretty much how I felt about the USA Patriot Act. YOU, OTOH, have still failed to show how it's remotely relevant to the Dem's and Obama.
I for one do not want world peace if it means giving up a sovereign nation. I don't want peace in this country if it means losing all we have to other countries in the name of a world united nation.
What the hell are you babbling about?! No one except the Great Gasbag (Limbaugh) and his fellow merchants of insanity are talking about ANYTHING like this! What does this even MEAN?! "Losing" to other coutnries? WTF are you talking about?!
I asked you to prove ME WRONG, and instead you revealed the depths of your own partisan insanity and ignorance.
So try again. Prove me wrong. Name ONE THING. Give me ONE, SOLITARY EXAMPLE of any of the nonsense you're babbling about. PROVE there's anything to any of it. Anythign at all. You can't. Becasue it's all soapbxo b*llsh!t. And you either KNOW IT, or your even more insane than your rhetoric.
PROVE me wrong JUST ONCE and I'll take it all back.
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You guys lost. Get over it.
But you still haven't given me even a single releavnt example of how this applies OBABA. I DID give you ONE example of how I would apply it to criticise BUSH. I can give you more, if you like. Just ask.
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(We Liberals are good that way: we like EVIDNECE to support our positions.)
Trust me, it really does help.
Did I get this right? You praise the Civil War in which Lincoln stated that the state didn't have the right to secede. A war in which the national government established it's primacy over the states and yet you still maintain that we have the right is secede from the government. In that war 600,000 men died over states rights and slavery. You want a civil war over what? Freedom. What freedom don't you have?
You can live anywhere in this country you want.
You can write or say anything about the government you want.
You can own as many gun as you want and even take them to townhalls were the President is speaking.
You have Habeus Corpus back after the Republicans took it away.
Plus many more.
What freedom do you not have? I know the answer. You don't want to pay any taxes. You want to live in the greatest country in the world and not pay a red cent. Got it.
Yeah, hi, stubborn fact here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuWVHT1WUY&feature=player_embedded
Young people don't remember or have the experience to see what "a" leads to "b", to "c" etc. some of the rw gun nuts, you are talking about are aligned with the founders of this country. I don't agree that the founders were all Christians, etc, but one thing is for sure, they believed in freedom and the freedom to change governments when the existing one is not doing right
Its popular with the right to take some quotes about revolution from the founders. The founders started out as revolutionaries, so of course at times the praised revolution. But look what they did when they go power and what they planned for the United States.
Article 1 Section 9: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
Article 4 Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Its most noteworthy that shortly after the country was established George Washington led three state militias to put down a tax revolt, the Whiskey Rebellion.
From all this I conclude that the founding fathers intended that insurrections be put down by the government. They did not intend for the people to rise up and overthrow. They wisely left elections for that.
We are now suffering a Tyranny that utterly ignores the Constitution at its convenience. The Constitution does not enforce itself. The People must enforce it. Both the Republicans and Democrats have proven themselves to be enemies of the Constitution.
Apparently, your brilliant plan is to keep watching the incremental dismantling of the Constitution and of this once great Republic. How very brave! Patrick Henry would be proud!
You got nothing dude. But go ahead, give it a try. It should be amusing.
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Just saying the word "uncostitutional" doesn't MAKE it such.
You really have to ask yourself if the Founding Fathers wanted a strict set of rules that were meant to explicitly address everything, or a document that limits government powers and would apply to scenarios not specifically imagined at the time. It's sort of odd to imagine saying "if we don't do this, the economy would crash" and the Founding Fathers saying "it's not in the Constitution, so too bad".
No, the Interstate Commerce clause most certainly does not give the government the power to funnel money into a private corporation. What the hell kind of logic brought you to this conclusion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helping_Families_Save_Their_Homes_Act_of_2009
You're a traitor. Period. You'd have been a traitor to overthrow Bush, and just as much a traitor to overthrow Obama.
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So says THIS Patriot
Bill Clinton was stage #1(8yrs)
GWB was stage #2 (another 8 yrs)
And stage #3 is now, the last president for life and has been predicted by a Bulgarian lady that died in '96.( She was called the Nostradamus of the East and was a blind lady!) Democrats as well Republicans knew who is or was Obama. You should have election day by 1st of April which is the fools day if I am correct and you are the dumbest of the dumbest on this face of the Earth. You respect the perverts but have disrespect for God and this is the results for what you have at this time. You are nothing but numbers. I am glad that I have a country, but you lost yours without a shoot! Some are just victims but most are just idiots and that's all I have to say. Go and get educated next time.............
This IS BEYOND disgusting! Come on, people . . . we had an election, you LOST, that's all. YOU LOST!
Did the people who voted for him want him to renew the Patriot Act? Did they want him to expand the war in Afghanistan? Did they want him to simply torture people outside of the country instead? Did they want him to push thousands of pages of law through without letting anyone, including the representatives, to vote for it?
Europeans are correct when they say that Americans are the least sophisticated political thinkers in the First World.
With the way things are going, I don't think the current party in ontrol will be after the election.
Woodrow Wilson believed so.
They both were wrong.
Dream about peace all you like. When you wake up, you face humanity in its reality, not in your fantasy.
Don't let them rattle your cage so much with their impotent rambling, and do remember that is all this is. Recall Shays rebellion.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/12/765544/-1984,-All-Over-Again
The "Obama Problem." That little phrase there is scary in itself.
I have held off on invoking the Nazi comparison, in honor of Godwin's Law, but these people are just Nazi's, plain and simple.
The Obama problem, the Jewish problem. It's all the same thing, isn't it?
Turn off Fox "news" and LImbaugh, and try to inform yourself. Your entire post is a bunch of ignorant and ridiculous questions.
Rather than do the hard work of applying some critical thinking and understanding that you're being fed right wing propaganda, you come here asking others to answer questions that insult the intelligence of anybody who is paying attention.
People work very hard to attain the knowledge they have, why do you expect them to redistribute it to you just because you're too lazy to think for yourself?
No more handouts, I'm more of a "teach a man to fish" type. Print out your questions above, then go to some reliable sources and try to figure out how you've made a fool of yourself.
Wow, you talk about critical thinking but you offer nothing of substance to back it up. What home work have you done? All I see is the standard blaming of Fox News and Rush. You talk about Fox news but what about CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC and all the other former media outlets that are now part of the Obama propaganda machine. Why should anyone listen to them? You act as if to question or disagree with the Democrats or Obama is wrong and unintelligent but what is truly unintelligent is to not question the polices of any administration. Once the questioning stops or is stifled totalitarianism takes over. Is that what you and the left want? It seems so.
Also what critical thinking could possibly bring anyone to believe we should redistribute the wealth from those that work hard for it to others. Actually critical thinking would bring logical people to conclude that if you redistribute enough wealth after a while the people producing will decide it is not worth working only to have their wealth taken away and given to people who don't. At that point who's wealth will you redistribute? That is the problem with the lefts short sided approach, still they use big words and double talk to make it look as if there is substance behind their words just as you have so eloquently done in your post.
In conclusion you ask jd023 to get some reliable sources but I ask you what do you consider a reliable source? Nancy Pelosi, who lied about what she knew about water boarding and when she knew it; Dan Rather, who helped doctor paper work slandering George W Bush; Ted Kennedy, will pretty much everything he did, I mean does Chappaquiddick ring any bells; Hilary Clinton and the White Water scandal or our fearless leader Obama, who said on national TV that the house health care bill didn't cover illegals immigrants, and didn't ration care when the bill posted on the house website clearly states it does. (If Bush had said that he would have been crucified by the media.) Shall I name more because the list goes on and on?
Clearly you should look in the mirror before calling someone a fool.
Okay, Obama has never said that he did not want people to make a profit, just because he wants to RAISE taxes for 1% of the population who are RICHER then the remaining 99%. There should not be this huge gap in peoples wealth, Corporate Greed is what is destroying America.
This isn't about taking peoples wealth, this is about evening the playing field so other people can be successful.
"...It wasn't the poor or illegal immigrants who were the beneficiaries of the Wall St. bailout; it was the investment banks which, not even a year later, are wallowing in record profits and bonuses thanks to massive taxpayer-funded welfare. The endlessly expanding (and secret) balance sheet of the Federal Reserve isn't going to fund midnight basketball programs or health care for Mexican immigrants but is enabling extreme profiteering by the very people who, just a year ago, almost brought the global economic system to full-scale collapse. Our endless wars and always-expanding Surveillance State -- fueled by constant fear-mongering campaigns against the Latest Scary Enemy -- keep the National Security corporations drowning in profits, paid for by middle-class taxes. And even health-care reform -- which supposedly began with anger over extreme insurance company profiteering at the expense of people's health -- will be an enormous boon to that same industry, as tens of millions of people are forced by the Government to become their customers with the central mechanism to control costs (the public option) blocked by that same industry. That's why those industries are enthusiastically in favor of reform: because, as always, they will benefit massively from it.
This is what is so strange and remarkable about these tea-party protests. The people who win when government acts aren't the poor, minorities or illegal immigrants -- the prime targets of these protesters' resentment. Their plight only worsens by the day. In Washington, members of those groups are even more powerless than "middle-income Americans." That's so obvious. The people who win whenever the federal government expands its power are the ones who, through their massive resources and lobbyists armies, control what the government does: the richest and most powerful corporations. And yet -- in an extreme paradox -- those are the people who are venerated by the Right: they simultaneously spew rage at what's happening in Washington while revering and defending the interests of the oligarchs who are most responsible..."------Glenn Greenwald
That fits you to a tee. You cons are weird and foolish,and a bunch of cowards can't wait to see what you come out with next as you rush to put your heads in the corporate noose yelling all the while about the poor,minority and undocumented. P.T. Barnum had it right about a sucker born every minute.
What a bunch of insufferable whiners conservatives are.
Without taxes or government, you wouldn't be making money, YOU WOULD BE IN THE WILDERNESS, ok?
If the majority of people vote for high taxes, then the only constutional course of action is to give them high taxes. If you support overthrowing the government simply because you don't like what the majority voted for, then you are anti-democratic, not pro-democratic. Understand?
And since you are such a defender of freedom, how do you feel about Dubya's warrantless wiretapping, the patriot act or torture, hey "downwithtyrants". Oh that's right, that doesn't matter to you does it? Could it be that you don't actually have a problem with tyrannical behavior, as long as its done by a tyrant you approve of?
You are one pathetically misinformed individual. Now go back to brainwashing yourself, you wart on the body politic.
Actually, we live in a Constitutional Republic, and the people don't vote for any particular law or tax unless it comes in the form of an amendment. It would be unconstitutional to allow them to just vote on a law. They are only to vote for their representatives and their representatives are only to vote for constitutional legislation. If they vote in a bunch of representatives who can find a constitutional way to raise taxes, so be it; that's the legitimate extent of Democracy in America. Keep in mind, though, that these taxes would all have to actually follow the Constitution, so they'd have to be slapped on things like gasoline and loaves of bread.
Obama has not done ANYTHING even CLOSE to socialism. Like I said, you are woefully uninformed.
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
It's NOT Fascism!™
So hypothetically speaking, say a guy appoints someone to go out and change the wages of wealthy executives? Is that stringent socioeconomic control?
What if he fires the chairman of a private company? Is that stringent socioeconomic control?
Hypothetically speaking, say a bunch of protestors are ran off in Pittsburgh by tazers, tear gas and sound torture devices, is that terroristic suppression of opposition?
When every single complaint is met with accusations of racism, is that not a slight spin on racism in and of itself? Is that not a form of censorship?
If the man uses the power to send hundreds of thousands of men to war without anyone else's vote, is that not centralization of authority?
If the man has the sole discretion to hold people without trial, is that not centralization of authority?
So the only question is, what the hell is a dictator?
DICTATOR - a ruler who is unconstrained by law
Wait, so he can lock anyone he wants up without a trial? Sounds like a ruler who is unconstrained by law to me.
Can you define jingoism?
The fact that he didn't nationalize the banks should be enough for any rational person to understand he is no socialist.
Problem is... people foaming at the mouth are seldom rational.
I'm sure you did it all by yourself, too. You paved your own roads, taught youself everything you need to know, healed yourself of all your illnesses, gave yourself your first job, and put out all your own fires and caught all your own criminals. You did it, and ytou're the only one.
I'm sure you worked hard, but guess what? You are not the only one who did, and YOU do not live in this country by yourself. Whatvere it is you did, someone took a chance on you, when they accepted you on the team, into a school, into a job, whatever product you sell, you couldn't do it by yourself. If you're the CEO, your company wouldn't exist without subordinates and customers. You are not an island, you are part of a society that helped make you who you are today. So take your arrogant "self-made man" attitude and be damn grateful that you live in a country where you can pay back a little bit more than the next guy because it allowed you a chance and some luck to be so successful.
They're not, and if they ever actually had to provide everything themselves, they wouldn't last a day.
After all, it's government provided electricity that allows them to watch their beloved fox news, and we know they couldn't live without that.
Well, YOU clearly can't ...
Yes, as a matter of fact. Canada. France. Germany. The UK. Italy. The Netherlands. Sweden. Need I go on?
Socialism is nothing like communism. It's basically capitalism where the really, really important things (things that kill people) are state controlled, i.e. police, fire departments, military, hospitals. You know, sort of like us but with a more efficient social security and welfare system.
If the majority of the American people elect a person as President, it stands to reason that the things he promises to do during the campaign are not contrary to "fundamental or core beliefs that Americans have". If the majority of Americans support something, then by definition it can't be against American values.
I have no right to tell you what to do and what to think and so don´t others. I respect your oppinion but I´d like to offer you cross-cultural insight. I am of an icelandic nationality and currently live in Iceland. I work nightshifts and at daytime study at a University, from my salary 40% disappears to taxes. A fraction of that percentage goes to social healthcare and I don´t mind paying healthcare for others since they also pay for me although some pay less than others and less than I do. I don´t think of it as stealing money from me but I perceive it as donating my money to a good charity. I have not yet met any other fellow citizen that has ever complained about social healthcare. We look at it as helping each other and in some way it unites us to a great extend. I think it would be sad if we were protective about our money in regard to social healthcare because it would fraction the widespread social emotion of unity. I have difficulties understanding why you would not like to help others who are less fortunate. But please don´t missunderstand me, I am prone to cross-cultural bias and so are you. It is strange how different our two cultures are and how it affects our judgement and perception, since both our countries are democratic and capitalist in their constitutions. (Iceland has the oldest democratic parliament in the world dateing back to appr. 1000 AD)
As a uniformed military officer, I can guarantee you that we will never, EVER, work to overthrow our elected President. The image of a square-jawed fundamentalist in uniform is just that--an image. We're the most diverse workforce in America, with most of our enlisted men being minorities. We come from all walks of life. We come from every religion. We come from every state. Keep in mind that most of us are young. Don't forget that nearly half of us voted for Obama last year. This Perry guy--I don't know what his problem is, but he doesn't speak for anyone who puts on the uniform of our great nation. Talk like this offends me to the core--how dare he try to claim to support the troops while thinking we're capable of overthrowing our own commander-in-chief? It's people like him who are the reason I'm no longer a Republican.
I served in the military and fully realize that they are the only demographic in the world that are subjected to more propaganda and disinformation than the American people themselves. You are told who to love, who to hate, who to help and who to kill. You believe what you are told to believe. You vote how you are told to vote. Never say never.
Thank you for serving our country, and please pass along my well
wishes to your troops.
Your post confirms my feelings on the subject. No member of our
armed services would consider overthrowing the C-in-C. Rest assured
there's a bunch of Democrats that really appreciate your service
and dedication. We have faith in the good judgement of our folks in
uniform.
Unfortunately, while the Smith Act is still in effect, it would be
nearly impossible to charge our buddy J. L. Perry, and get a conviction.
No, because at that point they'll be forced to come up with actual specific things to be upset about rather than a bunch of vapid generalities. That'll be a head-scratcher.
No. But the day MAY come that a TRAITOROUS General, and some TRAITOROUS officers supporting him, might try this. And when they do they should be arrested and tried for treason, since the CONSTITUITION clearly puts the military under the control of the gov't and not the other way around.
These RW scumbags are traitors. They accused us for it for years, just beacue we disagreed, and now they talk OPENLY about sedition. They'll destroy the country just so they can hand onto to their ill begotten money. They make me sick.
I hope they try it. Then they can be jailed or put down like the unpatriotic dogs that they are, and they rest of us can move on without their interference.
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Is this deliberate, and just showing their inability to do "subtlety", or do these Newsmax pinheads need to hire somebody with some general knowledge of history to go over their scribbling before they post them?
UGH! C'mon, people, this stuff has to stop NOW before it completely destroys our country. I don't CARE about the stupid political clubs, I care about my country and this is just wrong.
Yes, I read it the same way and it makes me so sick. Most Germans were decent people and they really didn't understand what was happening to them until it was too late, and then, with the Nazis in place, they couldn't do anything for fear of the monster machine that they had helped to create, no matter how unintensionally. We could loose our country over this. But about our problem, we can frame this in the terms of the McCarthy era, those people were home grown, and while careers were ruined, very few people really died, and they lost power when people realized how dangerous and destructive their rhetoric was. I try to think on that, so I don't get discouraged. I believe that someone like Murrow or Joseph Welch will spring up and poke a hole in this horrible movement and the normal people will regain their senses.
Edward R. Murrow where are you?
Could it be the closest that we can come to someone like Murrow is:
"Jon Stewart"?
Making them look retarded, on tv no less, has a huge backlash potential. Plus the fact that at most, they probably have only a high school or community college education, coupled with a history of violence, is also another cause for concern with politics on TV/Radio/THE INTERNET. I'm sure eventually he'll get on it, though. People can be really stupid sometimes.
And yet, his name comes up again and again as someone who will talk truth to power and hold it accountable.
I don't think it's his fault, nor ours; it is a reflection of the vacuum that serious political journalism is today.
Turn off Fox and hate talk radio. They are LYING to you.
The bottom line is the standard retort for the democrats is if you disagree with us you are uninformed and a hate monger. Too bad you can't win a debate of ideas with that. Read your history.
Obama is working from the Socialist playbook and if you actually look at what he has done and is doing with open eyes the parallels are obvious and scary.
Point 2: The Chinese, by and large, are very happy with their country. Standards of living are improving dramatically, the economy has weathered the recession relatively well, and the government has been resolutely focusing on the long term. Obviuosly not all in China are happy, the the average Joe is by and large fine with the trend.
Point 3: Cuba I am less familiar with, but the government there has seen the handwriting on the wall, and knows it must change soon or collapse.
If you think about it the left could not and would not support Bush on anything he did. They beat him up daily on the war in Iraq and Getmo but the last I checked under Obama's watch we are still in Iraq and Getmo is still open. Where is the outcry? Where is Cindy Shehan? Actually Obama is on the verge of sending more troops to Afghanistan as we speak. So the lack of democratic disapproval tells me it was never about the war or getmo it was about Bush and the dems collective hatred of him. So I have little sympathy for the political quagmire Obama has found himself in. For some reason the democrats seem to believe to be bi-partisan you have to come to their way of thinking. There is no compromise in the middle. Funny how that works.
Do you see how you're coming off as nonsensical here?
Every president has had his opposition, but I don't recall dreamy speculation about military solutions to "The Clinton Problem" or "The BUsh Problem".
I really can't figure out if people who write stuff like this are doing it with a wink to their audience, with enough plausible deniability that their defenders can cry "Race Card!", or if it's subconscious, and their inner Klan/ Nazi simply seeps into it.
If they WIN, then we have a military coup and the Constitution is forever ruined. GONE in the very name of protecting it.
If the try and FAIL, then we'll have resulting legislations (for gun control, security, etc...) that will make the USA PATRIOT ACT look like the BILL OF RIGHTS.
The only "good" outcome will be from them shutting the f--- up, GROWING the f--- up, and starting to act like REAL patriots and responsible, adult citiznes of this great country.
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My optimism has never been lower. I never appreciated just how low these traitorous scumbags would stoop.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058576/
But if it were to come to that, if there are potential traitors, within the ranks of the military, who would take up arms against the elected government of the nation, they might find their parents and grand parents, who so far have not disgraced the uniforms they once wore, in the streets taking up arms against them.
Christ, we fought to bring democracy to those who didn't want it, we can fight to keep it here.
Me too. This is nuts. It's silly. If anyone in the military actually suggested this, the other 99% would be on their case instantly. This is an affront to all loyal members of the armed forces. Nutball. Speak out all you want, but insurrection and failure to honor the chain of command is unforgivable. Remember Douglas MacArthur? It a basic principle of our military.
Um, not that I think there's an "Obama problem," but if you do then how about, let's see...the 2012 election? The 2010 midterm elections? I understand that the wingnuts may rightly think that their electoral prospects are dim, but Christ almighty.
Someone I know thinks that because "those people" are in power right now, they're just going to stay there forever, and the world will just keep becoming less friendly to people of his kind. On what evidence this theory is based, I have no idea.
Maybe we NEED to switch parties every four years or so, if it will keep people from becoming so complacent they a) think their party being in power is The Right Way, Finally Here For Good, and b) freak out completely at the thought that someone other than their own choice is running the country.
As bintx says, some people did lose the election. Some other people won the election, who had previously lost two elections in a row. And apparently, some people need WAY more practice being able to gracefully NOT be the dominant power. That's actually (GASP!) PART OF DEMOCRACY. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Part of democracy is DEALING WITH THAT — and knowing that THE NEXT ELECTION is your chance to set things right. Duh. Democracy comes with a built-in fix. That was the entire point of it.
Maybe we should just let the crazy people THINK they're in charge, if it will keep them from panicking and effing up the lives of everyone around them with their thoughtless flailing. Sheesh.
18 USC 2385
"knowingly or willfully advocate, abet, advise or teach the duty, necessity, desirability or propriety of overthrowing the Government of the United States or of any State by force or violence, or for anyone to organize any association which teaches, advises or encourages such an overthrow, or for anyone to become a member of or to affiliate with any such association
Perry should be arrested and charged. Might not get a conviction, but it's time to start treating seditious behavior for what it is.
Who does this cretin think Obama's "controllers" are? Bill Ayers? Reverend Wright? It never ceases to amaze me how people on the right fall into these fantasies while failing to acknowledge the very real, very serious threat that President Eisenhower warned about half a century ago---the military-industrial complex.
It is especially astonishing in the wake of the Bush "Peckerhead" administration, what with Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Donald Rumsfeld, et al -- the embodiment of evil if ever it walked the earth.
The embodiment of evil if ever it walked the earth is Obama, Pelosi, Reid.
Good luck with that.
Time to tear down the house to build a bigger, flue-less, walk-in, frictionless chimney that can be seen from space.
Santa will come for sure.
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The far-right always seems to believe the military is on their side, yet the evidence always shows the opposite.
Oh, and it's a fairly large staple among the birthers that a military coup will be used to "remove the usurper". Wingnuts of a feather....
Now that the right has clearly put both secession and military coups on the table, can we not call them out as the anti-American swine that they are? Patriots? Not even close.
I'd rather not, as that is, on the fact of it, an impossibility.
What a moran!
In case these devout, family values, Christian republicans, who are to their core morally bankrupt and contemptuous of every prinicple this country was founded on haven't gotten it through their fat, America-hating heads, yet, they don't speak for America - the overwhelming majority who voted for Barack Hussein Obama to the president of THEIR United States of America - do! And if they think forcibly removing the president that the American people elected into THEIR White House is going to be removed and no blood is going to spill at FOX News, EIB Network, Crawford, Texas, and racist, America-hating neighborhoods across MY country, just f***kin' try it!
US Law against Sedition. Find out what district this man lives in and e-mail the federal district attorney.
This, uh, this...isn't this, um, isn't this sedition? Like, the very definition of it?
Umm, I think they're called elections.
No, it would be impossible actually, because those generals and officers would by definition not be patriotic.
Remember how right-wingers would scream "traitors" at liberals? Here's a guy that literally advocates treason. Amazing. And disgusting.
Hey, how about winning the next election? Then again, maybe that isn't really realistic...
You cannot have a military coup to "restore the Constitution". A military coup violates the Constitution! Under the Constitution, the President is the Commander in Chief of the military! Anybody in the military who tries to use military power in a "coup" is, by definition, going against the Constitution!!!
Yeah, because we're not like those "uncivilized" Third World nations, right Johnny.
But what the hell is a "civilized" military coup? Is that one where they say "please come with us" as the gun is pointed at your head or say "sorry about this" as they machine gun unarmed protesters?
And for further insight, take a look at the baggers and the hallers.
I often wonder, what does it take to be too embarrassing for the usual idiots to defend. I think Newsmax may have tested that boundary.
It's always interesting to me when one of the right wing propaganda sources gets off their leash a little too far, as in this crazy bit of treason from Newsmax, most of the regular wingnut posters crawl under their rocks, and a few unbalanced fruitcake lurkers are suddenly inspired enough to comment.
Until they can find another item about some more subdued or benign propaganda, at which point they can continue nit-picking and wondering why MMFA is overreacting.
This isn't about disrespect to the president, it's about advocating treason
These conservatives are serving up 'Sour Grapes' but in a horrific manner.
Disgusting.
Will the right wing echo machine take this up today, that's a good question. Are we going to see the 3 stooges on Fox Noise this morning start the echo? How about Hannity, El-Rushbo?
One side of me says they won't, because NOBODY is that stupid, but then I see this article tells me, yes the right wing is that stupid.
get in office,then find out they can do very little.
The president is only a figurehead,and has been since they
killed JFK. A coup could never happen in this country. Our military is trained to obey orders. That's what they do. And
when ordered to kill our own citizens,whether the threat is real
or not,they will do as they're told.
Obama and the Democrats are no more Socialist or Marxist than Bush, Cheney and the Republicans were Fascists. In fact a better case could have been made for that. I don't recall any Liberal advocating a coup or assassination though. The Republicans have got to rein in these crazies or risk alienating what's left of their sane constituency.
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2384
§ 2384. Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
All the links I've followed to find this column lead to their home page where I can't even "find" it with my browser.
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States . . . or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both
That knock at your door may be the Feds. I'd go out the back way if I were you.
The very fact that someone even could advocate a revolution is beyond me. AND I can say as a Sailor who served three overseas tours in the Middle East, that I am offended beyond belief that this so-called author could even suggest our military forces would be the instrument of such a revolution. I love our country and our legally-elected President (I am not sure we can say President Bush was legally elected) and think I speak for most of us that we would never be a party to violating the constitution in such a dishonest manner.
This rhetoric by the Becks, Hannitys and Limbaughs of this world is getting totally out of control. Add to that the almost daily appearances of former government folk from the Bush dynasty, like Bolton, Cheney, and Rove and their constant criticisms of Obama and you really do begin to see just how obsessed these people are and how much they hate Obama.
You lost; get over it and will Bolton, Cheney, Rove et al please, PLEASE, go away into exile. They were extremists when in power and even more so out of power.
This, , this, and this, are absolutely knowingly and willfully advocating, advising and teaching "...the duty necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States...". There's simply no question, despite the pallid demurer he issued in the opening . Describing such an event in glowing terms is advocating it, as any properly agnostic journalism prof. would have told you, had you bothered to do the work. Jackass.
I want to see Obama serve out his 4 years then I want him out. He has continued Bush's assault on Liberty and the Constitution and he ought to be criticized for it. I don't support an overthrow because I know it would lead to civil war, but I don't support Fascism either.
First, freedom of speech must always suffer certain necessary constraints. The old saw about yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater comes to mind. Advocating the overthrow of the government is illegal, and the Constitutionality of the concept of minimally constrained free speech has been consistently upheld by all three branches of government.
As to the "Intention" reading of the Constitution, that's been roundly debunked. There were as many differences of opinion in the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention as there were members. Saying that we should interpret the Constitution by divining the intent of the Framers is simplistic and naive. Which Framer? Jefferson abhorred democracy and described it as "mob rule." Payne wanted a theocracy like good old Mother England had in ye olde days of Cromwell. Morris and Franklin just wanted to get drunk and get laid without having to answer to the morality police. None of them agreed on the "true" purpose of any singled Constitutional clause, and so I have to ask, who gets to choose which Framer's perspective defines the intent of the Framers by which we interpret the Constitution?
And the Second Amendment? That was put into place because the Framers didn't want to shoulder the expense of a permanent standing army. That well regulated militia it refers to? Yeah, the Constitution gives the authority to regulate it to the various states, subject to the oversight of the Congress. Not exactly an institution designed to make the government fear the people.
It's usually not worth arguing with people who can't read, so I'll just leave you alone.
Somebody's going to jail or is going to be shot for treason!!!
You are certainly right when you say that professional military officers wouldn't violate their Constitutional oath by committing treason but that's not the danger. The danger is that some lone nut or small group of nuts will read this and be inspired that political assassination is somehow justified (those nuts who aren't able to make it in the military and decide often to make their own militias). Of course when that happens these conservative commentators will say that they were never condoning this.
Racism is certainly providing a stronger wind for these political arsonists, though.
In fact, while the Owners have so many of us caught in the L/R paradigm, squabbling as if we are still sovereign, taking "sides", our sovereignty is long gone - believers will be the last to learn, and by then it will be too late. Good luck with your blind party loyalty, believers - you are being played, and it's going to cost us all!
From a Political Atheist
... "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
Well it is simple! The Constitutional Republic is a Democratic Republic. A democracy is government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system. Now a republic and this is what made America last as long as it did! A republic is a government in which the people elect representatives to speak for them. Before the 1st bailout from the Bush admin the people spoke to their representatives LOUDLY that NO We The People will not agree to this theft from even the unborn taxpayers but congress took the stance that they new better than We The People and passed legislation to print trillions of dollars and GIVE IT to the BIG banks. That legislation KILLED the Republic in which it stood creating a simple democracy. A simple democracy stinks as per the founders of the REPUBLIC.
Obama and Bush jr. are no different in their action’s. Obama campaigned on support of the US Constitution. But recently took the chair of the UN security council violating blatantly Article I section 9. No sitting president ever has done this because of this Article in the US Constitution. Obama can now give orders to UN troops. Bush jr. violated the US Constitution (just 1 point of it) by spying on We The People on a massive scale and Obama has not stopped but supports the same programs. The 2 wars of Iraq and Afghanistan were started by Bush jr. but Obama is escalating not stopping the wars and it appears Pakistan and Iran are the next targets of occupation and now even Yemen may come next. The neocons and the think tank that created The New American Century is still being carried out to the letter! The lies are spewing from the MSM daily as always. The US government as a whole is in violation of the US Constitution and basically at this point the US Constitution only exists in lip service by the US government. The bias of the FAR right and FAR left and the people who commented on this story clearly proves that division of the two are means to conquer America. It is clear to me in a bipartisan unbiased view of the TRUTH that America and it’s Republic form of government is now in the dustbin of history so if the US military comes to the conclusion that the US Constitution has been destroyed via an administrated coup just like the presidential election of POTUS in 2000 then tit for tat period! The US military and the oath taken by ALL of them to protect and defend the US Constitution provides them the RIGHT to a tit for tat solution. This intelligent analysis is intended to analyze both Bush jr. and Obama’s action’s as being unconstitutional and with enough analysis becomes a NO BRAINER! Try hard folks not to lose your attention span of 15 minutes while reading this comment. Read it many times and study it! Try hard folks to not trip over this TRUTH and get up and run from it. If you do run look up cognitive dissonance and the definition of IT! MSM dishes this actual disease out daily!
The "Nazi" argument is one of the silliest I've ever seen. Are all of the countries that have national health care Nazi? Think carefully. They're not even all socialist, as if socialism was inextricably tied to Nazis anyway.First off, accusing someone of being a racist, fairly or not, is not racism. That is not what the word means. Secondly, I very clearly attributed the bulk of the reaction to Obama to partisanship, not racism. At the same time, it's just as stupid to claim that race plays no part in this severely unhinged behavior as it is to claim that it's the only contributing factor. The racism makes the already divisive atmosphere worse.
Nobody's spent as much time pushing back against unwarranted accusations of racism here as I have, so directing that post at me was not wise.
Nothing to do with Democrat, nothing to do with "black".
From a Political Atheist
But the Right is not mad at him about that stuff. The Right is mad at him because he's going to Copenhagen to try to win the bid for the Olympics, the Right is mad at him for telling school kids to "stay in school," the Right is mad at him for doing what all the top economists told him he must do to get the economy back on track (pass the stimulus), and then the Right gets mad at him when they say the stimulus isn't working fast enough even though Obama put in 400 billion in tax cuts to appease the Right, the very tax cuts that undermine the stimulus bill and make it less effective. They are basically mad at him for none of the justified reasons to be mad at him, and instead are just consumed by the fact that he's a Democrat and the fact that's black and their rage is just egged on by talk radio and Fox News as they hype reports about "white kids getting beat up by black kids in obama's world," etc. All the false cries of socialism, Nazism, etc - these are things not to be mad at Obama about. Obama is not a socialist, he's not a Nazi - but that is what they are complaining about. It's totally ridiculous. Now we have this guy saying that he hopes the military has a coup and throws him out of power - how American! I'm sure the founding fathers would love that one.
Please watch these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C62KAmMzu0E
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4675077383139148549#
America is the most hated country in the world who has gone to war against 50 sovereign states since WWII, Your not living in the land of the free anymore and its your duty to find out the truth.
Its not a black white issue, its a fight for humanity against the corporate nazis who have usurped your Govt.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!
Looking at Iraq and Afghanistan, one is tempted to channel Dr. Phil: "And how's that working for you?"
Moving on....these "redistibutionist" and "socialist" talking points have gone from making me cringe to making me vomit. Perhaps "devil worshipper" or "escaped intergalactic criminal from the Andromeda galaxy" will gain some traction if repeated enough. "Did you know that Obama is actually Zaphod Beeblebrox with a haircut and a suit? It's true! Glen wouldn't lie! Look! He's boiling a frog to prove it!"
Unfortunately, these memes are both malleable and viscous. Unlike that laughable attempt by Oily Taint and her crayon drawing of a "document", they are harder to discount, in that they require exposition and patience (on the part of the advocate of reason) and some willingness to recognize reason (on the part of the listener) when it's right in front of them to disprove.
It is time you realize that you are in the minority in this nation and it is time for more liberal, realistic policies that help the majority of us Americans. The only way to change our government is through elections or justified impeachment, which should have happened to both Bush and Cheney.
We certainly will not agree with everything the President proposes or that Congress will pass, but I hope and pray that they do a better job than the band of fools that were replaced.
Tell me, for a typical week, how many hours do you spend listening to Glenn Beck? My guess is at least 10+ hours a week.
It's very disturbing to see how we Americans have totally forgotten how to be civil to each other when we disagree. It's okay to be passionate about what you believe in, just accept that not everyone is going to agree with you, and THAT'S OKAY.
What scares me the most is that, at the rate we're going, it won't be long when whoever is in power in the government is going to outlaw thoughts not inline with the official propoganda machine, be it RW or LW.
It's hard to have much hope for our country when I read the stuff written in this blog...
I read almost all these comments, and others on other websites, people are upset about this... I am not the only one.
In other countries, this guy would have been hauled off and shot, tortured first to find out who all his buddies were.
Thank God you live in this country people.
You're idiots and there truly isn't anything more to be said about that. The likelihood that you could still snap out of it when your masters have you so well trained and their methods have become so slick, is virtually zero. You're sheep headed for the slaughter and frankly you deserve nothing better.
Something belief-clingers can't seem to latch onto, but will have to deal with one way or the other.
Where was this talk of revolution and coups when George Bush lied to us about a war and tens of thousands of people were killed or injured for no reason? (If you are thinking to yourself that the justification for that war lies in our sincere desire to spread democracy and freedom, you have absolutely no geopolitical knowledge and should crawl back under the rock you came from)
Where were the protests when the Bush administration was dishing out tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans? (That's why we have the deficit we do; a simple understanding of economics will tell you that it would be impossible for Obama to have such a profound effect on the economy being in office such a short time.)
Where was this talk of coups and secession when George Bush was allowing big corporations run amok and devestating our economy for years to come?
Check your facts people. George Bush expanded the powers of the president more than any other president in the last 50 years. He was the most secretive and insincere of any president in recent history. He was manipulated by a group of neoconservatives to do their destructive bidding which completely undermined our standing in the world, economically and politically.
Come out of your no-fly zone of truth and debate these issues with the intelligence they merit. And please stop letting corporate interests spoon-feed you sound bites so you can further their cause. Believe me, when those interests have completely cashed in on your ignorance, those sound bites are going to taste awfully nasty in your mouths.
A coup? The suggestion is outrageous and dangerous. Sounds like the ideas of conservatives who didn't get their way. Hey, a very large number of us had to deal with eight years of Bush B.S., why can't you people suck it up and take it now?
These bankers and the FED have done a SUPERB job of accomplishing their goals toward bringing this country down to 3rd world status and making American citizens PAY “world taxes” (using Cap & Trade, IMF, UN, WHO) to bring 3rd world countries up to U.S.level. No more 2 cars, vacation homes, sufficient food, etc. for Americans! We are too RICH! These bankers have STOLEN “your” parents’ retirement funds to offshore accounts, and have stolen assets that would have been passed to YOU.
We seniors in our early 60’s never expected to see this fiasco in our liifetimes, but WE are doing something about it! This fiasco was pre-planned years ago -- starting before Bush Sr -- and escalating in every successive administration. All our industry and jobs shipped overseas (never mind WE “created” the technology), stripping banking laws and protections. BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES ARE COMPLICIT IN THE DELIIBERATE DESTRUCTION OF OUR COUNTRY!
Obama has been "GROOMED" by the Bilderburgers, Club of Rome, Committee of 300, Coucil on Foreign Relations, and Trilateral Commission (more Rockefellers and Rothschilds and the FED) to take this country DOWN, and it's occurring so fast we cannot AFFORD another 3 years of this.
When he “SEALS” all this birth and education records (because they show he was a citizen of another country when he enrolled in certain schools) and spends MILLIONS of our tax dollars to fight dozens of court battles to KEEP HIS RECORDS “sealed”, something is WRONG! He’s used the power of his “handlers” like the Bilderburgers and FED owners to have dozens of lawsuits seeking proof of this birth certificate thrown out of court, even twice at the Supreme Court. The details of all these actions are at http://www.worldnetdaily.com
It’s evident, at least to me, that Obama is ILLEGALLY in office under our constitutional laws. He has repeatedly proven himself to be a LIAR without conscience, saying one thing in one soundbite and the exact opposite in another, i.e., health bill. It's SAD to see the freedom we've fought for so long will come to a screeching halt when today's seniors are gone due to the IGNORANCE reflected in some of these remarks and the ignorance of the constitution which REQUIRES the President of the U.S. to be a "natural born" citizen. Certified Proof of this to every state was "required” BEFORE the election but the proper certifications were NOT made.