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October 05, 2009 12:32 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

Can you say talking points? Somewhere inside the GOP, the message went out over the weekend that right-wing media and the "loons" on the AM dial don't speak for the party, or "real Americans."

Question: Was Friday's Chicago hate-fest the tipping point?

This is likely just a preview for the coming GOP civil war that will erupt in 2011 and 2012 surrounding the party's next presidential pick. Of course, what will be so fascinating to watch is that one side of the purely partisan debate will be led by media outlets. There will likely be a Fox News/talk radio candidate representing the far, far right.

 Can't wait.

UPDATED: Make that four. GOP strategist Mike Murphy over the weekend:

These radio guys can’t deliver a pizza, let alone a nomination. And you can case study that out in the last election.

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    • Author by QrazyQat (October 05, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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      "These radio guys can’t deliver a pizza, let alone a nomination. And you can case study that out in the last election."

      Two words: Sarah Palin.
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      • Author by liberalXtian (October 05, 2009 5:10 pm ET)
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        Exactly. Nominating Sarah Palin satisfied the Right Wing lunatics, but did nothing to appeal to the mainstream independents. Now, having no actual parrty leader after last years disasterous (for Republicans) elections, the crazies in the media have taken over and made the republican party an insane asylum.

        The question now is whether or not party leaders can shut them down, or at least control them in time before next year's elections. I don't think they can. They have no leader, and Beck, Rush, etal. have been spewing garbage and hate for too long, they now have a sense of power they will not give up, and they are making millions off of it. The right wing media have also created the tea baggers who will also demand a constant reinforcement of their hate and fantasy world view.

        They all have a tiger by the tail, and I don't see how they can let go. Can they lose any more seats in Congress? Once they become truly the party of the south, can they ever come back?
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    • Author by shaggles (October 05, 2009 1:04 pm ET)
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      I agree with what Mike Murphy said. Limbaugh smeared John McCain for years but McCain still got the nom.
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      • Author by northerner (October 05, 2009 4:23 pm ET)
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        Let's just get over the notion that McCain "won" the nomination. The reality is, he was way way down the list when, one by one, the other candidates self-destructed.

        "Noun, verb, and 9/11", Mittens, Frederick of Hollywood...all seen as the next big hope. All imploded by the magnitude of their own egos and incompetence.

        Then the media bought into, and amplified, the meme that McCain was the winner. But he was pretty much the last man standing. He was all they had left. Suddenly, those who had cast him aside initially started trumpeting McCain as their champion.
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        • Author by ShootTheMessenger (October 06, 2009 1:34 pm ET)
             
          Let's just get over the notion that McCain "won" the nomination. The reality is, he was way way down the list when, one by one, the other candidates self-destructed.

          And let's not forget how McCain broke election law by accepting a campaign-saving loan, on whose terms he later reneged.
          (Yet they smeared Obama as having broke a campaign promise; which he did not.)
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          • Author by highliter (October 06, 2009 5:38 pm ET)
               
            Yet they smeared Obama as having broke a campaign promise; which he did not.)


            Sorry but yes he did he promised to use public funding for his campaign, but that quickly changed after he figured out he have a 2 to 1 money lead on McCain if he didnt use public funding.
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    • Author by MickD (October 05, 2009 1:04 pm ET)
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      I find it strange how eager these mouthpieces are willing to sign on to what is essentially the Atwater/Rove strategy, which has lost them elections for the last two cycles. What will change by doing this? Not many independent thinkers in the Repub ranks.
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      • Author by Nihilist (October 05, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
           
        lee atwater on his death bed, regretted his behavior and tactics, and did see the light but it was too late. ailes and his ilk have ruined the gop for the next few generations until the smart gop steps up and challenges the rightwing noise machine....
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    • Author by Disputed Zone (October 05, 2009 1:08 pm ET)
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      This is likely just a preview for the coming GOP civil war that will erupt in 2011 and 2012 surrounding the party's next presidential pick.


      I cant wait either. It's important that the alliance between traditional and movement conservatives is broken, and the 2012 Republican primary promises rip open the existing cracks.
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      • Author by historygeek001 (October 05, 2009 2:13 pm ET)
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        Craig:

        I HOPE that the wingnuts and actual Conservatives break apart, but I kinda think that the wingnuts will continue to dominate the media -- they're the ones with the money, and money talks.
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    • Author by gg (October 05, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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      One really has to wonder, why now?
      It is really in response to the hate that is being spewed on the right wing radio shows, something that has been going on for years or is it because Glenn Beck has broken ranks by saying Obama is a better president then McCain would have been. (Not that I would believe a word Beck says).
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      • Author by bintx (October 05, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
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        I think it's because some of these folks are actually rational and understand that the hate speech has gotten way out of hand. I was listening to Beck on the radio this morning . . . crazy time. Seriously, it's crazy time.
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        • Author by LoriW (October 05, 2009 8:10 pm ET)
             
          Talk about crazy time, have you listened to Limbaugh lately? Aside from all of the hate spewing, he literally contradicts himself within a 10-20 minute time span. He seems totally out of control.
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    • Author by yancy derringer (October 05, 2009 2:28 pm ET)
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      Ultimately all republicans will come home and vote for their far right ideology. If they meant their criticisms they would have quit the party when Palin accepted the VP nomination. Look who the "moderate" Pawlenty just hired. These people are all the same, they have stood by and cheered as our nation has gone to reality free hell.

      This is all about remaking their image, to act like some of them had nothing to do with Beck and Rush and the horrors the theofascist right has created the last 30 years.

      This is about putting on a new skin, not a "civil war" - that's BS.

      Watch as liberals help them by cheering their latest con as if some of them really have changed.

      How many times did Graham speak out against Palin? If that doesn't tell you they are playing a con game I don't what would.

      When they quit their party, which has become a national security problem and repent openly, admit how wrong they have been, how deceptive they have been, how low they have been, then I would consider accepting them back in the reality based community, until they do that acting like this anything more than a PR con job is very shortsighted.
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    • Author by rikntx (October 05, 2009 2:43 pm ET)
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      This may be a pipe dream, but I cannot help but wonder what the radio boys will be saying if the Dems actually make gains in next year's mid term elections?
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      • Author by Midnight Kevin (October 06, 2009 1:51 am ET)
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        They would probably state that they are the true majority, and that the Democrats have convinced Americans that they are "moderates" when they are really radical liberals. They would also blame the liberal bias in the "fringe" media for causing them to lose... although one could hope that they lose and see their failure as a rejection of the shift to the far right, and become more centrist... the Republicans could probably win every election if they adopted more liberal social stances and stressed compassionate fiscal responsibility.

        I predict Democrats in traditionally conservative districts will end up losing, but the Democrats may see some gains in more metropolitan areas where the conservative hatred has turned off some important voter groups...

        If the Democrats were smart, they will start to sneak in immigration reform right before next years elections, which will surely incite the hatred of the right, and draw more Hispanics and foreign born citizens to vote Democratic...
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        The Midnight Review
        Mum Is The Word
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      • Author by highliter (October 06, 2009 5:39 pm ET)
           
        You actually think the Dems are gonna make gains?
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 05, 2009 3:42 pm ET)
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      Question: Was Friday's Chicago hate-fest the tipping point?

      I think so. Last time I'll use this, I promise! :)
      [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5d_-el6Lv5c/SsaHqH95AZI/AAAAAAAAABA/3iYtR-aZrSo/s400/Chicago.bmp]

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      I hope Chicago was liestning!
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    • Author by jfkisgr8 (October 07, 2009 9:02 am ET)
         
      The GOP can't win, not because of Sarah Palin, right-wing radio or guys like Mike Murphy standing up to psychos like Mark Levin- they can't win because their ideas are bankrupt.
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