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RedState's Erickson smears Obama's Nobel Peace Prize as "an affirmative action quota"

October 09, 2009 8:53 am ET by Media Matters staff

From Erickson's October 9 RedState.com blog post:

Barack Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize: He's Becoming Jimmy Carter Faster Than Jimmy Carter Did.

 Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

Friday, October 9th at 8:22AM EDT

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I did not realize the Nobel Peace Prize had an affirmative action quota for, but that is the only thing I can think of for this news.

Obama has won the Nobel Peace Prize.

The deadline for nominations was two weeks after he was sworn in as President.

So in less than two weeks of entering office, Obama did something to qualify. What was it? Not closing Gitmo? Continuing the Bush administration's policies in the War on Terror but no longer using the name? Or pronouncing a policy of abject American capitulation to our enemies?

The Peace Prize reaffirms it s a joke. But now a sad joke.

Somewhere Bill Clinton's head just exploded.

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    • Author by OGFrostbite (October 09, 2009 9:05 am ET)
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      conservatives must be seething ....Obama a nobel prize winner!!!
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 09, 2009 2:54 pm ET)
           
        Quick question: What do Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, and Barack Obama have in common?

        Beck hates them all. (Most neocons only hate the last three.)
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    • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 9:05 am ET)
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      Racist, much?
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    • Author by wesley (October 09, 2009 9:12 am ET)
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      The most appropriate comment I've seen so far came from a dailykos poster:

      Awarding Pres.Obama the prize is "like awarding a student an "A" grade for studying for the test...without actually having to take the test".

      That pretty well sums up the career of Obama...a great big hat and durn few cattle.
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      • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 9:46 am ET)
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        You understand that Obama had nothing to do with either the nomination or the selection, right? This prize was given to Obama THE MAN and not Obama THE PRESIDENT. Obama, in his first 8 1/2 months, has reached out to repair the horrific damage that his predecessor wreaked on the world, both in terms of diplomacy and good will. Since he was nominated less than 2 weeks into his presidency, it would seem that his selection had NOTHING to do with his presidency at all.

        Grow up . . . just because your "team captains" Rush, Sean, et al, are telling you that you have to hate this man because he's on the wrong team doesn't mean that you should hate our country.
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        • Author by wzwriter (October 09, 2009 10:30 am ET)
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          Wesley's just being lazy - posting hateful things aboue President Obama here on MMFA is easier than putting on his sheets and burning crosses with his friends...
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        • Author by wesley (October 09, 2009 10:35 am ET)
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          I certainly don't hate Pres.Obama...but I find little to like about his politics.

          He has accomplished little in his career but win a few elections and give great speeches that are long on promise and short on delivery.

          Reminds me of the dog that chased the same car that passed in front of his yard for years and then one day caught it...and was faced with the sobering thought...now what the heck do I do with it?

          Awarding Pres.Obama...like giving the same award to Arafat...just points out the impotence and irrelevancy of the Nobel group. It's their award and they can do as they deem fit...my criticism of their award has nothing to do with hating anyone.
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          • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 10:54 am ET)
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            http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/09/world/AP-EU-Nobel-Peace-Citation.html?_r=1

            This is why he won. Has nothing to do with his accomplishments to date. Understand the reasoning.

            For the record, Obama was just as surprised as most folks.

            Oh, and Wesley, I've read your posts. His policies are very moderate . . . you hate the policies that your heroes are telling you are radical . . . they are not. Admit it . . . you hate Obama for who he is. A black Democrat in the White House.
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            • Author by wzwriter (October 09, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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              You're asking Wesley to follow a line of reasoning. That's like asking Stevie Wonder to follow a line painted on the floor.
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            • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
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              Holy crap, he won based on things he hasn't done yet and you find that acceptable?
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              • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 09, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
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                "Acceptable"? Starkraving, you don't get to decide whether it's acceptable or not--only Obama himself can decide whether or not to accept it.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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                  I'm asking if you think it makes any sense that he won based on things that may potentially happen and not on actual accomplishments.
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                  • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 09, 2009 5:33 pm ET)
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                    Well, others have already pointed out to you the list of actual accomplishments, so I won't bother to repeat them. But even then, your argument is bogus. After all, was Dr. King given the award because all of his works on civil rights was finished? Of course not.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
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                    He didn't win on anything potentially happening. He won based upon stuff he's already done.
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              • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 2:56 pm ET)
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                No, it's not true that he won based upon things he hasn't done yet.

                He won based upon things he has done.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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                  During 2 weeks in office?
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                  • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 6:59 pm ET)
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                    Are you really this stupid, that you can't understand the difference between when nominations close and when voting is completed?

                    And do you really think that the only time that he's being judged upon is since he was inaugurated? That nothing he said during the campaign might have influenced the decision?

                    Again, you're delusional at best.
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          • Author by bewildered (October 09, 2009 11:29 am ET)
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            Wesley,

            That's just it. In your first comment you didn't criticize the award you criticized the MAN(President Obama). Don't attempt to change your stance now that you've just noticed the error of your criticism.
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            • Author by wesley (October 09, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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              Let me help un-bewilder you.

              I have plenty of criticism for Pres.Obama and the Nobel group.

              Pres.Obama is undeserving and the award has become a farce...and neither criticism has anything to do with hate...and everything to do with a my dislike for their agendas.
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            • Author by kfraz43 (October 09, 2009 12:59 pm ET)
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              ...and if the Nobel group is full of "impotence and irrelevancy" as you say, Wesley, why even waste your energy criticizing either them or the recipient?
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        • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 10:57 am ET)
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          Well, the nominations closed in February, so this award was clearly for the goals he aims towards, not the reaching of those goals. But the Nobel Peace Prize committee believes, and I agree, that rewarding someone who has changed the way our nation looks at cooperative problem solving is what they wanted. According to them, it has everything to do with his attitude and his actions, and not his skin color at all.

          From their announcement

          The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

          Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts.

          Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.
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      • Author by srichardson (October 09, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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        You are pathetic. Obama could save the world from destruction and you people would find fault it it. You are really a sad, sad group of people.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 09, 2009 2:52 pm ET)
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        Weaseley, do you think that Dr. King was given the award because all the problems he was working on had been solved? As a matter of fact, how many Nobel laureates can you name who had "taken the test" and thus completed the assignment for which they were honored? Very few, if any.
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    • Author by The_Cat (October 09, 2009 9:23 am ET)
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      Well, now we know what the reaction would've been like had the President secured the 2016 Olympics for Chicago. It would have been an 'abusrd' and 'quota'-driven decision by the IOC, right? Yeah. Very very far right.
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    • Author by Janniel (October 09, 2009 9:29 am ET)
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      The rabid faction of the Republican Party just keep digging themselves further towards Hell. It's sad to see The Grand Old Party come to this.
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    • Author by archae (October 09, 2009 9:38 am ET)
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      The sam moron who tied Jennings to NAMBLA, based on nothing.
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 09, 2009 10:03 am ET)
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      I did not realize the Nobel Peace Prize had an affirmative action quota for, but that is the only thing I can think of for this news.

      This is but stupid and racist. Plain and simple and I'll explain why.

      Obviously this awarding of this prize IS purely political. There no question, and the committee admitted as much, that this was NOT for anything that Obama has accomplished thus far. No one is in disagreement there.

      But their motivation had nothing at all to do with race. And to suggest it did, ignores the far more obvious political motivation of making this decision: It is a clear repudiation of the Bush administration and their unilateral anti-diplomatic policies. You can question that judgement all you want, but what you can't do is argue it on the basis of race.

      That's just dumb.

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      Your text to link here...Just my take.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 09, 2009 2:49 pm ET)
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        Very good points. I have to wonder if Erickson has ever seen a list of past prize winners, including Dr. King, Ralph Bunche, Nelson Mandela, and Desmond Tutu (and that's just off the top of my head). Nobel laureates have one of the best blends of races, religions, and cultures of any people one could name. The whole notion of quotas is beyond ridiculous.
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      • Author by Wassupnow (October 09, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
           
        I agree that statement was racist and stupid! I don't care what color our President is but everyone seems to make anything said about him racist be it bad or good! Yes even the ones of you who are happy with him turn everything racist. If anyone disagrees with him it's because he's black even BINTX previous statement quote :"(Oh, and Wesley, I've read your posts. His policies are very moderate . . . you hate the policies that your heroes are telling you are radical . . . they are not. Admit it . . . you hate Obama for who he is. A black Democrat in the White House.)" That is just as racist as any thing else said here! I would love to have seen Rice & Powell on a Presidential ticket!!! Because of whom they are and how much they love and want to lead our United States of America!!!!
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    • Author by manofmystique (October 09, 2009 10:20 am ET)
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      These white people are brutal in their distain for this popular President. Affirmative Action is as stupid as most of the things they say about Obama’s accomplishments
      This is a man of hope and peace and all they can say "there is no upside [to winning the Nobel Prize for President Obama]. They want us to believe this is an Affirmative Action and there is no upside? What the hell are they talking about? Better yet, on what planet do they spend most of their time on? The Nobel Peace Prize is a world honor and recognition and has 1 million dollars attached to it. These idiots are envious and mad that Obama is nothing like they define him.
      They claim Obama is this and that, but Obama defines himself. He said he was a man of peace. Now he has the Nobel Peace Prize to booster his position. It’s the idiots on Talk TV and Radio who calls Obama naive, but how often are they right? I submit to you that they are wrong most of the time. This is another example.

      What has Obama done to win the Nobel Peace Prize? Here's what:

      --within a few weeks of taking office, he met personally with leaders in the Middle East and gave several public speeches that affirmed the U.S. was not on a Christian crusade
      --he began pulling troops out of Iraq
      --he persuaded European nations to start helping out in the war on terror, or whatever they're calling it now
      --at the 2009 G-8 summit he signalled that the U.S. is willing to start working on the problem of climate change, and he openly admitted that the political climate here at home was going to make his chore very difficult indeed
      --he persuaded the European nations, many of which were highly reluctant, to help shore up the financial system so that we weren't the only ones spending money on that problem
      --he hosted the recent G-20 summit during which he persuaded the heads of various nuclear nations to start working toward a nuclear-free world.
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      • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 10:55 am ET)
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        Exactly . . . he fulfilled ALL of the criteria set out by the Committee.
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      • Author by wesley (October 09, 2009 10:56 am ET)
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        Your list of Obama accomplishments just points out the obvious...he has proven himself to be a strong starter and a weak finisher.

        Your list is dotted with "gave public speeches"..."start working on"..."start working toward". While I don't expect Pres.Obama to cure cancer or invoke world peace in 9 months or even 4 years...his track record suggests that he won't actually finish any of the "accomplishments" that you cite.
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        • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 11:06 am ET)
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          No, his track record doesn't show that at all. It's just that you are a hater.

          But the previous poster was wrong. It's really wasn't given based upon much of anything that Obama has done while in office. It was given to him as a proactive award to encourage behavior like his. They believe that his vision of a better world is the important part!

          http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/home/announce-2009/

          The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

          Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts.

          Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future.
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        • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 11:10 am ET)
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          http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/09/world/AP-EU-Nobel-Peace-Citation.html?_r=1

          This is the reason he was chosen. BTW, you are aware that since taking office, all of his efforts to work with Republicans, as he promised, have been met with "No." It is their intent, as stated by several Republican members of Congress, to "bring him down." He has accomplished much more than the media and folks like you want to give him credit for . . . the Nobel Committee sees promise in his attempts to get rid of the level of hatred and distrust among nations down to more manageable levels. There will always be strife, but under the last administration, it was racheted up to extremely dangerous levels.

          Wesley, you hate the man for what he is, a black Democrat in the White House. His policies are not radical and they are not from the "far left." Do I agree with him on everything . . . not even close, but I also know that he doesn't have horns and a tail like he is being portrayed by your heroes on Fox and hate talk radio.
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        • Author by bewildered (October 09, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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          How could you possibly say that he is a weak finisher? It hasn't even been a year since he's been in office. The finish line hasn't come yet.
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        • Author by manofmystique (October 09, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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          Obama is doing his part to bring about peace in the world and he is doing it on a world stage, but of course he will need cooperation from others for it to be effective. But that is not why they award people the Nobel Peace Prize. They award the peace prize for your stance, belief and effort. On that qualification alone, Obama deserves the Prize.
          What you expect in unrealishtic and stupid. The Nobel Peace Prize is in recognition to Obama's approach to peace in the world, unlike that demon Bush, who stood for war. As far as Obama being a "weak finisher", I'm sure you don't realize how stupid that sounds. Obama has dedicated his life to peace, and he is not even half way through his first term in office. The fact is Obama has done more to bring about peace than any other President in modern history. Other President wanted to be bullies. Bullies are not peaceful people.
          Fox News is making idiots out of the people who watch them.
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          • Author by rms (October 09, 2009 2:02 pm ET)
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            "but of course he will need cooperation from others for it [seeking peace in the world] to be effective."

            Very true, but he will get none of it from Republicans, Fox "News," or talk radio.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 09, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
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          his track record suggests that he won't actually finish any of the "accomplishments" that you cite.

          Wes, your point here is totally undermined by your other point that he really HAS no track record!

          I'm fine with the "too soon" people - I would have prefered that this award come in 4-8 years as a reward for accomplishments, rather than goals.

          But the fact is that the goals (and his tactics to achieve them) are 180 degrees truned around from the goals and tactics of his predeccessor. And changing the DIRECTION of a country as big and powerful as the US is, in and of itself, an accomplishment.

          I think that Obama supporters (including the man himself) who are a bit suprised, and maybe even a bit embarrassed by this have a point. I thnk his critics are just whining like they alwasy do whenever someone points out that they're all a bunch of lying, greedy, cowardly jackassasses.

          Waaah! The MEDIA's biased! Waaah! ACADEMIA's biased!Waaah! The SCIENTISTS are biased! Waaah! The NOBEL COMMITTEE's biased!

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          Do you ever stop to think that the reason the whole world is against you guys is not because their biased, but rather that you're just WRONG?!
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          • Author by ginnyinco (October 09, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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            "But the fact is that the goals (and his tactics to achieve them) are 180 degrees truned around from the goals and tactics of his predeccessor. And changing the DIRECTION of a country as big and powerful as the US is, in and of itself, an accomplishment."

            Exactly. Because we cause more death and destruction than just about everybody else combined.

            Just as importantly, it truly is what the committee bases it's decision on. From their myth busting list posted here:
            http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ibu-kfROlVhexdt7vLCBR7KGa1gwD9B7CB282

            _ Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.
            More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.

            Teddy Rosevelt, the 1906 winner of the Peace Prize said:

            "Any man can withstand adversity, if you really want to test a man's character, give him power."

            Obama has shown he has the character to handle the power given to him. Those of us who voted for him cannot expect success without continued grassroots support.
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            • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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              Thanks for posting this. Anyone who doesn't believe that it was his vision and his overall attitude that was honored here should read that and weep.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 10, 2009 3:06 pm ET)
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          "Your list of Obama accomplishments just points out the obvious...he has proven himself to be a strong starter and a weak finisher." - wesley

          So, now Obama is already finished? Yeah, that's a reasonable analysis.
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    • Author by watershed (October 09, 2009 10:22 am ET)
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      I just like that it kinda kills "the world has REJECTED Obama" vibe the right has been using after the Olympics.
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      • Author by fairliberal (October 09, 2009 10:39 am ET)
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        No it doesn't the Nobel Committee is a rather small bunch of lefties. "The World" had nothing to do with this prize. And since the nominations were done before he did anything as president his term in office had nothing to do with it either. It is purely political, unless they are considering his work with the criminal group acorn.
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        • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 10:59 am ET)
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          You really, really, really are a very stupid person.

          http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/09/world/AP-EU-Nobel-Peace-Citation.html?_r=1

          This is why they made their decision. I think that you are the very first person I've ever seen claim that working for PEACE is a "lefty" value.

          Give the false ACORN story a rest, could you? Your hero Bill broke the law by sexually harassing Andrea Makris . . . does that mean that Fox is a criminal group for continuing to allow him to work for them? Get a life, fairliberal . . . walk AWAY from your television. There's a real world out there and it's NOTHING like the one that they describe to you on Fox 24/7. Go get some fresh air . . . sitting on the couch watch Fox 24/7 is not healthy for either the mind or body.

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        • Author by peace4all (October 09, 2009 11:05 am ET)
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          that's funny that there is a criminal group called Acorn. did you know that there is an organization named Acorn that works with the poor, in poor communities? they do all kinds of wonderful things. like help the poor get homes, food, and work with the poor to get them more involved in the process so that they can try and improve their lives. i have heard lately that thay have had some personnel issues with some employees giving out bad advise and some that were taking advantage of the system. but i guess you find some of that in any big entity. i sure hope that people don't confuse the Acorn i am speaking about with this criminal group you are speaking of.
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          • Author by srichardson (October 09, 2009 11:44 am ET)
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            Don't you know that one of the reason's that the republicans are so set on bringing down ACORN is because they help the poor! The repubs assume that anyone who doesn't have money chooses to live that way. All they need to do is get a job! They won't admit that there are so many working poor, people who are working two jobs at minimum wage and barely making it. They could care less about these people.
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            • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 09, 2009 1:12 pm ET)
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              You mean the same ACORN that won't permit it's employees to unionize. That ACORN? You mean the same ACORN that petitioned the state of California for an exemption to the state's minimum wage laws. They argued that they could hire more people for the pubilc good mind you if they weren't bound by the state's wage laws. Hypocricy anyone? They were right about the ability to hire more people, but the idea that this applies to other businesses as well seems to go completely over their drone-like collectivist brains. Minimum wage laws kill many entry level jobs while the minimum wage earner only benfits if he keeps his job. And in many instances real wages don't go up by much because employers pass along some or most of the higher minimum wage cost onto the customer. Minimum wage earners are consumers too, of course. Most minimum wage earners are young and are employed by small businesses and the burden falls disproportionatley on small businesses and the young the most. The places with the highest teen and young adult unemployment rates are generally the places with the highest minimum wages. A wage is a price and it should be determined by the market, not arrogant central planners.
              ACORN'S call to arms seems to be the phrase "social justice," ( a phrase coined by Karl Marx by the way)but exactly how has that worked out for the poor. The people who get the most "help" from the federal government are blacks and Native Americans. Look at what they have done to those communities with their "help."
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              • Author by rms (October 09, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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                WWS: Minimum wage laws kill many entry level jobs while the minimum wage earner only benfits if he keeps his job. And in many instances real wages don't go up by much because employers pass along some or most of the higher minimum wage cost onto the customer. Minimum wage earners are consumers too, of course. Most minimum wage earners are young and are employed by small businesses and the burden falls disproportionatley on small businesses and the young the most. The places with the highest teen and young adult unemployment rates are generally the places with the highest minimum wages."

                Please provide a link or two in support of all this. I don't believe your statistics.
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          • Author by sleepy joe (October 09, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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            "did you know that there is an organization named Acorn that works with the poor, in poor communities? they do all kinds of wonderful things. like help the poor get homes, food, and work with the poor to get them more involved in the process so that they can try and improve their lives."

            To these far right loons, that IS criminal activity.
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        • Author by The_Cat (October 09, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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          You do understand that he was nominated after his election because whoever nominated him thought he might prove himself worthy of the award by the time it came to hand it out, right, fairliberal? He wasn't nominated based on what he had already done, but on his campaign, and on what he pledged to do. That he has followed through, and reached out to the international community, in nuclear arms reduction among many other things, only shows that whoever nominated him was right to do so. The Nobel Committee is hoping to encourage President Obama in his stated goals, and I for one stand with him.

          If you're going to bring up ACORN, remember that it is an acronym, and should be all caps. Also, unless there have been convictions that I am not aware of, calling them criminal is a lie.
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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 09, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
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          "Purely Political"

          So what? How else would you work towards world peace, OTHER than politically?

          Dropping bombs on everyone who doesn't worship you? We tried that. Didn't work out to well, did it?

          Why do you always come here with NOTHING?

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          I'll give you credit though, Fair... You do keep coming back. You're like a naked firefighter: woefully underequipped, but you can't help but admire the enthusiasm.
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    • Author by mykkool (October 09, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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      Congratulations to President Obama.

      Once again President Obama has done himself proud. I travel the world a lot and it is clear that the people of the world appreciate and respect President Obama for his integrity, intelligence, unselfishness and genuine desire to make the world a better place and form a more perfect union. And now the Nobel Committee validates his commitment to a better world.

      What surprises me is that the Republicans hate this man so much. Even though he tries to include them in the process and the discussions we are having, they have to vilify him. It strikes me that President Obama should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to strengthen national diplomacy and form a more perfect union.

      But the zombie Republicans march on with only one purpose - to oppose everything Barack Obama tries to accomplish, even if it is in their best interest. The zombie Republicans fail to realize that in their irrational opposition to President Obama they are putting themselves on the wrong side of the issues that threaten to destroy the world and therefore have become not only the enemies of America, but of the world.
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      • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 10:49 am ET)
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        You have to actually DO SOMETHING to win this award.
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        • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 10:59 am ET)
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          http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/09/world/AP-EU-Nobel-Peace-Citation.html?_r=1

          This is why he won.
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        • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 11:11 am ET)
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          Obama did exactly what one has to do to win this prize.

          One has to be a leading voice to help resolve conflict in the world. That's a substantial action.

          He has energized the world community in a way that seemed unlikely after Bush did so much damage and lost so much goodwill capital because of his actions.

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          • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 11:20 am ET)
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            He hasn't done anything like that. What has he resolved? Has he stopped the Iraq war? Has he stopped the Afghanistan war? Has he closed Gitmo like he said he was going to? Has he convinced Iran to stop it's nuclear program? How about North Korea? Give me a break. Going around the world giving speeches about how terrible we are should not be enough to win the Nobel Peace Prize. Even Al Gore did more than that.
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            • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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              Did you read the reasoning by the Committee? You hate the man . . . he could do all of the things that you've mentioned above and you would STILL hate him.
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              • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 11:54 am ET)
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                I don't hate him at all but he hasn't done anything close to what should be required to win this award. The reasoning is a complete concoction. This award is a joke now but I guess I should have known that after Gore won it. Oh and did you miss the part where it said the nominations were made 2 weeks after he was elected? Are you trying to tell me he did all those things in 2 weeks?
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                • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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                  When he was nominated is irrelevant, starkcr. Are you capable of critical thinking at all? I mean SERIOUSLY.

                  Read the Committee's reasoning for his selection.

                  And, yes, you hate his guts.

                  BTW, just because you disagree with the selections doesn't make THEM the joke. Just saying.
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 1:39 pm ET)
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                    Hmm... so he was nominated for things he hadn't actually done yet (and still hasn't done). Should I get the Nobel Prize in Physics for intending to create perpetual motion? BTW, yes, it does make them a joke when they pick someone for no apparent reason. Just saying.
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                    • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 3:05 pm ET)
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                      Directly from the committee's spokesman.

                      _ Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.

                      More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.

                      Obama was rewarded because of his vision and his attitude.

                      http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ibu-kfROlVhexdt7vLCBR7KGa1gwD9B7CB282

                      Oh, and this was a story online hours before Obama's award was announced.
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                      • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
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                        Cool, I want world peace too so I guess I'll be winning next year.
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                • Author by The_Cat (October 09, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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                  You do understand that he was nominated after his election because whoever nominated him thought he might prove himself worthy of the award by the time it came to hand it out, right, starkcr31? He wasn't nominated based on what he had already done, but on his campaign, and on what he pledged to do. That he has followed through, and reached out to the international community, in nuclear arms reduction among many other things, only shows that whoever nominated him was right to do so. The Nobel Committee is hoping to encourage President Obama in his stated goals, and I for one stand with him.
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                  • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 09, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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                    He has expanded the warfare state. Look at his administration's actions. The military budget is up for this fiscal year. Hello! Does this compute in that drone-like mind of yours? And it is a massive joke that he was nominated for the award two weeks(!) after the election. This is just bat@#*! crazy absurd. It is also a blatantly political act on the committee's part. I liked a great deal of Obama's rhetoric on foreign policy( a great improvement over Bush's rhetoric), but I see no real change. He deserves credit for the cancellation of the missile shield in Europe, but it doesn't outweigh the expasion of the war formerly known as the War on Terror. You could see it ,too, if you weren't under the Dear Leader's spell.

                    Cheers!






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                    • Author by The_Cat (October 09, 2009 12:41 pm ET)
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                      Well, Welfare-Warfare State, if you just looked at numbers on the ledger, it does appear that President Obama has spending, yes. However, he has declined to use the Bush/Cheney accounting trick of funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan off the books, forcing Congress to vote them unbudgeted money. Money for our troops has increased, and I applaud his support of them. I also hope he will decided against a 'surge' in Afghanistan, and opt for reductions in troop levels instead. I do not think military force is the answer to that country's problems at the moment.

                      As for the Nobel Peace Prize, you do understand that he was nominated after his election because whoever nominated him thought he might prove himself worthy of the award by the time it came to hand it out, right? He wasn't nominated based on what he had already done, but on his campaign, and on what he pledged to do. That he has followed through, and reached out to the international community, in nuclear arms reduction among many other things, only shows that whoever nominated him was right to do so. The Nobel Committee is hoping to encourage President Obama in his stated goals, and I for one stand with him.
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            • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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              No one said that he has to have resolved anything to have won the award. What I said, and what I meant, and what the NP committee asserted was that the vision is what's important, not the results. It's the effort.

              This is like the strawman argument that since Obama hasn't been able to force the Republicans to act in a bipartisan way that he has failed. The failure is on the part of the Republicans, and all that we can expect of Obama is to do whatever he can to foster bipartisanship, which he clearly has done. He has shown that he will be a leading voice to help resolve conflict. That's what they are rewarding here.
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            • Author by RationalThinker (October 09, 2009 12:25 pm ET)
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              I like how everything you have listed as something he would need to accomplish to actually legitimately receive the NPP, is something he has publically and openly communicated that he would like to do …. Yet has had every attempt blocked by the party of no. Obama sets into motion the closing of Gitmo and you the Right publically criticize the man for it, but now you are saying he would need to actually close it to get the NPP. Make up your mind, get your stories straight, open your eyes and realize why you are so against the Man, and yes I am saying Man, because you have yet to prove any policy points that you can actually be against without sounding like a complete racist war loving hypocrite.
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    • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 10:48 am ET)
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      Someone needs to explain to me what this guy won the Nobel Peace Prize for. The God-like worship of this man is off the charts.
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      • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 11:00 am ET)
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        http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/09/world/AP-EU-Nobel-Peace-Citation.html?_r=1

        This is why he won. I don't know anyone who worships Barack Obama . . . that scenario is a fiction of Fox and the hate talk radio disc jockeys. Come out into the real world, stalker . . er, starkcr.
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        • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 11:10 am ET)
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          He won for his apology tours. That's great. I knew this prize was meaningless after Gore won it but I didn't know it was this bad.
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          • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 11:49 am ET)
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            You really need to turn off Fox. All of us people who don't watch Fox [the overwhelming MAJORITY of this country] and the rest of the world heard what Obama said on his visits to other countries. There were no apologies. Oh, I realize that folks like Hannity played truncated videos which gave the appearance that Obama said the exact opposite of what the speech actually said, but that's lying . . . one of the things Fox is best at.
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            • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 11:56 am ET)
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              I DID hear them. He constantly insulted our country and still does it today. I'm sick and tired of liberals saying how terrible we are.
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              • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 12:05 pm ET)
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                No, you didn't. You may have heard words, but you didn't listen to what he said. He did NOT insult our country.

                And, I will say again, just because someone disagrees with your phony conservatism doesn't mean they are liberal, just means that they recognize your phony conservatism and disagree with it. Also, neither "liberal" nor "conservative" are pejorative or conversely, complimentary, words and for you to constantly use them as such shows how uninformed you are.

                Personally, I'm sick of phony conservatives constantly attacking anyone who loves their country enough to accept it for what it is, warts and all. Pretending that it is perfect does not elevate it to perfection and sets it up for absolute failure.
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                • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 09, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
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                  I don't think Obama hates our country as it is now. He most certainly, though, holds our founder's vision of the country in contempt. The federated constitutional republic bestowed to us by the Founders where the federal government is powerful within a very limited sphere has been dead for a long time now. We have a Levaithan State now where the states are no longer sovereign, but, rather, are glorified vassal states to the heavily centralized federal government.
                  Our Founders also abhorred the thought of 20th and 21st century America's distibutive(collectivist, socialistic)naure. They warned of the citizenry using the treasury to loot their fellow citizens. Whether it be rich stealing from poor or vice versa. This is Obama's vision though. The founders favored private charity, markets, local communities, and civil society as instituions to help those in need. They rejected the coercion of the state in these matters. They were classical liberals as opposed to state- worshipping modern liberals.
                  The Old Republic has been dead for a long time. We have only the last vestiges of it. Jefferson, Alexis de Tocqueville and others warned that if the federal government alone( whether it be the executive, legislative, or judicial,) decided what was constituional, that the federal branch would inevitably justify consolidation of power into the federal branch. They warned that the constitution would just be a revered relic that would be, in effect, a blank sheet of paper. That is exactly what has happened.
                  Leftist intellectuals sometimes like to crow that we live under a shadow constitution in their journals( They would never openly explain this to the rubes though, of course.) They are sadly right. The constitutional law studied and taught today in most classrooms has everything to do with precedent (often precedent of judges hostile to the limitations placed on the federal government by our original constitution), and case law, and has almost nothing to do with the original intent of our founding document.
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                  • Author by The_Cat (October 09, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
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                    The founding fathers lived in a time before electricity.
                    In a time when it took months, not minutes, to travel all the way around the world. A time when surgeons and barbers were equivalent. A time when cannon and sail still ruled the sea. A time when powered flight, let alone travel to the moon, was a fantasy. A time when news traveled very slowly, and things changed very slowly. A time before the industrial revolution.

                    The principles are the founding fathers believed in, such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness have been expanded. They have become more inclusive. Not all the founding fathers even recognized slaves as people, as fellow human beings.

                    They balanced three arms of the federal government against each other, trying to prevent the very thing the Bush/Cheney administration was intent on: vesting power solely in one branch. The vote has been extended to men and women of every color who are citizens, whether by birth or adoption. I think America grows better over time, and our best days are yet ahead of us.
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              • Author by missgirl (October 09, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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                But you are terrible.
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              • Author by rms (October 09, 2009 2:11 pm ET)
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                "I DID hear them. He constantly insulted our country and still does it today."

                Your ability to understand is very, very weak. Your ability to take comments out of context is superb.
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              • Author by sleepy joe (October 09, 2009 2:20 pm ET)
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                He didn't constantly insult this country. He simply acknowledged that the country did some things that were wrong. But I forget - conservatives believe America could do no wrong.
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                • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 3:39 pm ET)
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                  Not true. We've made mistakes, but constantly insulting our country to appease people is unacceptable. How about, I don't know, maybe reminding people of all the good we've done for a change.
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                  • Author by sleepy joe (October 09, 2009 4:40 pm ET)
                       
                    I never heard him actually insult the country. He admitted to mistakes and apologized for them. But oncd again I forget - America is too great to apologize for anything.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 7:03 pm ET)
                       
                    Acknowledging errors is not insulting the country. Delusional still, I see.
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                  • Author by Brabantio (October 10, 2009 1:52 am ET)
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                    Remember this quote?
                    In Europe, the view that America is part of what has gone wrong in our world, rather than a force to help make it right, has become all too common.
                    I bet you do. It was soon followed by:
                    Both views miss the truth - that Europeans today are bearing new burdens and taking more responsibility in critical parts of the world; and that just as American bases built in the last century still help to defend the security of this continent, so does our country still sacrifice greatly for freedom around the globe.
                    Hell, the opening and closing of the speech are both about the Berlin Airlift. This was a widely publicized speech in front of an enormous crowd in Germany, but you don't think he tells anyone about the good we've done? The whole theme of the speech was that Europe and the USA needed to work together so we could be mutually beneficial.

                    And can you provide an example of an actual insult to our country? There has to be a way of criticizing policy without insulting the country, surely.
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      • Author by dave (October 09, 2009 11:20 am ET)
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        Well, he's spent us to death and gives great speeches? Does that count?
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        • Author by peace4all (October 09, 2009 11:37 am ET)
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          he spend us to death? i must have missed something. i know he spent some money on a stimulas package to help get the economy moving again, but from what i remember it was the last administration that ran up the record amount of debt in this country. you know with the wall street bail outs and the auto industry bailouts that the administration gave to them against the wishes of congress. but, to be fair, i live in a reality based world so i could be wrong on those points.
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          • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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            SOME money. That's hilarious. Yeah, a measly $1 trillion and look what it's gotten us: An unemployment rate just shy of 10% when it was promised it wouldn't go over 8.
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            • Author by The_Cat (October 09, 2009 12:13 pm ET)
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              You substitute words very easily. The unemployment rate was projected to top out at 10% or so if we had done nothing, but this projection was made last year, before the depth and extent of the problem was fully known. The administration projected that unemployment would not top 9%. They were wrong in their estimate. Hardly surprising given how bad things had actually gotten.

              They have budgeted over $700 billion in economic stimulus, and have spent around 10% of it. Your efforts to re-write history and move the goal are what's hilarious, starkcr31.
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              • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
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                If it was such an emergency, why has hardly any of it been spent? Actually, I can answer that. If people had actually seen what their money was being spent on (pork), there would have been outrage.
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                • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
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                  This is such a bogus argument. A good portion of money has already been spent. A lot more money has been committed to being spent, and those commitments have influenced the recovery, even if the money itself hasn't been spent. And much of the money will help keep the economy from backsliding and is being spent to help with the leftover economic problems that happen after a recovery 'officially' ends.

                  The economic stimulus didn't have unnecessary pork in it for the most part. It was all economic stimulus and only projects that could be justified by people other than the districts in which those projects were going to happen were approved. That's the exact opposite of pork.
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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                    It's actually less than 10% so no, it hasn't been spent. I guess you are saying "gang member tattoo removal" is a good way to stimulate the economy?
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                    • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 7:11 pm ET)
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                      Actually, no, you lie, it's not less than 10% or so.

                      Again, the projects were not pork and were the opposite of pork.

                      And the gang tattoo removal wasn't in the stimulus bill, and helping people get paying jobs by removing gang tattoos is going to help the economy. Every person with a paying job spends that money at local businesses, who then spend their profits at local businesses and it goes on and on.

                      It's an anti-crime bill - I thought you righty's all thought that any anti-crime bill was good?

                      But, as usual, nuance escapes you. That's what happens when one is delusional I guess. It was pretty simple for me to do the research and debunk this smear - why didn't you do it before you threw out the smear? Delusional to the end.
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            • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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              The stimulus money that was spent, and will continue to be spent, kept us from entering a depression, which would have cost our economy much more than the stimulus money ever would. Your shortsighted objection doesn't hold water.

              If you had to borrow $100 today from a friend to pay a bill, and pay back $110 next week when you got your paycheck, or you waited until next week, and had to pay $125 for that same bill, which would be better for your pocketbook? Borrowing money today to play the bill would clearly be better. Borrowing money to stimulate the economy to stop us from having a depression was well-spent money.

              And when they estimated that the unemployment rate would stay under 10%, it was before they had seen the horrible numbers from the last quarter of 2008. Their estimates were accurate given the info they had, and it's clear that given those poor results from the end of 2008, it's amazing how well the stimulus has done to keep the unemployment rate as low as it is.

              And when one thinks that we almost had a depression, and now we're hearing that the recession likely ended this summer, that's a pretty fast recovery, considering! The stimulus clearly did a lot of good, and since we almost had a depression, we still need that ongoing stimulus funding, so no, we don't stop it now and crash back down.
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        • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 11:53 am ET)
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          He hasn't "spent us to death." There was a stimulus package which economists have credited with keeping the unemployment figures down as low as they are right now . . . without it, they believe there would be vastly more unemployment. He proposed a budget which was actually less that Bush's last budget when you factor in the costs for Iraq and Afghanistan which Bush insisted on carrying "off-budget." Obama's proposed budget INCLUDED the costs of those two Bush created disasters. TARP was on Bush's watch. Bush took a significant surplus and turned it into a record deficit. And, as for what he has done . . . this is what the Nobel Committee stated as their reasons.

          http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/09/world/AP-EU-Nobel-Peace-Citation.html?_r=1
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          • Author by dave (October 09, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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            And who is paying for that stimulus package?


            But I agree with you on one point, GWB had a problem with spending too. It doesn't get BHO off of the hook...he's in charge now.
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            • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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              A better question is who is saving because of that stimulus package.

              If our economy had been allowed to go from recession to depression, it would have cost our economy hugely. Lost jobs, lost profits, losses through foreclosure and bankruptcy much worse than they are today.

              There is necessary spending, like this stimulus bill, and there is unnecessary spending, like what Bush did.

              Remember, Bush gave tax cuts we could ill afford, and then after our economy entered a recession after 9/11, he pushed another round when it was clear that it would cause deficit spending. He wanted to make those tax cuts permanent, for cripes sake! He wanted to cripple government.

              Obama, on the other hand, has clearly stated that he wants to cut the amt that the govt spends and get us back on firmer financial footing. He is pushing healthcare reform for that very reason!

              It's going to take a while to undo the damage that Bush did, yet you want to call him a failure when he's just now introduced his first budget!
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              • Author by dave (October 09, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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                And unemployment has gone down due to BO's plan? Spending has gone down? WTF?
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                • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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                  Yes, undeniably unemployment is lower than it would have been without the stimulus? Are you slow or something? How can you not know this?

                  And yeah, the cost to our economy for the stimulus package is much less than the cost to our economy would have been if we had had a depression!!!! We will all save in the future because we didn't have a depression. As I explained elsewhere, if you have a bill that's coming due, and you borrow $100 to pay it, and then pay it back with $110 the next week when you get a paycheck, that's less than waiting to pay it with your next paycheck and having to pay $125 with a late-payment penalty. That's what would have happened if we'd been penny-wise and pound-foolish with regard to economic stimulus spending! We would have had a much greater cost to our economy, in the long run, had the stimulus (and TARP I and II) not been passed.

                  On top of that, the first Obama budget had much less reckless spending than Bush's last budget, and according to what I've read, actually is lower than Bush's if one adds in the war expenditures tht Bush dishonestly left off the prior budgets he did.

                  Your argument has been demolished.
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                  • Author by starkcr31 (October 09, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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                    So you can predict what WOULD HAVE HAPPENED? Are you psychic or just slow yourself?
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                    • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 7:14 pm ET)
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                      Yes, I (along with any educated economist) knows what happens to the economy in a recession and in a depression.

                      This is not rocket science. It made economic sense in the short term and the long term to prevent a Depression!
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    • Author by PJBurke (October 09, 2009 10:51 am ET)
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      Erickson is so dumb. He confuses the nomination deadline with the decision deadline. The committee spent several months collecting and considering all the supporting evidence, and now they have reached a decision.

      What Hatriots these knuckle-walking Reich Wingers are.
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    • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 11:01 am ET)
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      What did Obama do in the few weeks before nominations closed? A heck of a lot. He campaigned. He spoke in Europe to adoring crowds who were even more impressed by him after he spoke than before.

      It's really sad that there's a righty who thinks that cooperation with others is a bad thing, but then again, we had Josh Bolton as the UN Ambassador that Bush forced into the post.

      It's amazing and wonderful that Obama won. Just terrific.
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      • Author by twseattle (October 09, 2009 11:31 am ET)
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        Sort of like the world said "WE want to vote for Him, too."!

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      • Author by dave (October 09, 2009 11:42 am ET)
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        Lombardi Trophy would have been nice....would have made as much sense.
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        • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 11:56 am ET)
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          You are aware that Obama didn't lobby for this award nor expect it, right? You hate the man . . . that's fine, but don't hate him more because he got this award. Unless you are on the Nobel Committee, I don't think you get a vote in who received it.
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    • Author by srichardson (October 09, 2009 11:30 am ET)
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      You would think these people would be proud that the President of the United States was awarded such an honor. Instead they choose to turn it into a subject that deals with racial issues. Conservatives can no longer accuse the liberals or democrats of using race in the arguments against Obama's presidency. This is clear proof that they are the ones who insert race into anything Obama does.
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      • Author by dave (October 09, 2009 11:47 am ET)
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        Cons had nothing to do with this. If you can explain why BO deserved this, then have at it, but he really has done nothing except spend the US into oblivion, IMHO.
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        • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 11:59 am ET)
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          Obama has NOT spent this country into oblivion. You are quoting false talking points with no basis in fact. It was GWB who spent this country into oblivion. If you were REALLY a conservative, you would be hopping mad at Bush and his rubber stamp Congress which took us from having a rather large budget surplus to the largest deficit in our history. Bush's last budget was actually greater than Obama's proposed budget when you factor in the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan which Bush insisted on funding off budget. Obama's budget INCLUDED the cost for these disasters.

          I gave you the reasons cited by the Committee above.
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        • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 12:34 pm ET)
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          The Noble Prize Committee told us why they did it. It was because of his vision. It was because of the attitude he has about international cooperation.

          They want to promote this attitude.

          For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."
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      • Author by rasotis (October 09, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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        One very clear and recent accomplishment of President Obama was to stop deployment of missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic. This action has led to Russia abandoning their plans to deploy missiles near Poland. Obama's leadership on this issue is a bona fide accomplishment that furthers the cause of peace.
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    • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 09, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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      If this doesn't prove the politization of the Nobel Committee then nothing will. He is about to expand the war in Afghanistan while military operatons go in Pakistan without war even being declared. This guy was the most bellicose candidate in regard to Pakistan during the democratic primaries as well. Are our troops home from Iraq? We will still have a massive troop presence there at the end of this guy's term for certain; at least 50 thousand. Has the administration promised otherwise? I'm still waiting for the left to organize protests in the street against the expanding warfront.
      And I haven't even mentioned the rhetoric coming out of the Mr. Obama's State Department and Pentagon in regard to Iran's threat to our national security. That country has 1 percent of our annual defence budget and they want me to believe that they are a threat to us? Really?? ( As an aside, has the Patriot Act been repealed? Where is the outrage?)
      The only thing positive done of any real substance on the foreign policy front was the decision to reign in the missile defense shield in Europe. That doesn't outweigh his expansion of the warfare state. It seems many of you are willing to overlook and apologize for much of this because the president has a D in front of his name. Mr. Obama's rhetoric is sweeter and much less bellicose than the last Warmonger-in-Chief, but his actions are another matter entirely.
      I have read most of the other posts and I would like to say that this site is doubleplusgood. Mr. Orwell would be proud from a strictly predictive view. Instead of his "two minutes of hate" though, we have a "two minutes of phony peace." Mr. Obama will graciously take his bows and the warfare state will continue apace.

      Cheers!
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      • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
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        Actually he is likely to send more troops but that is not expanding the war - it's expanding the effort to bring peace to that nation. Because it's a dangerous place, we can't do it with civilians, but that's the effort that's coming up - more peacekeeping efforts, not more war-waging efforts.

        And in Iraq? There's a mandate from Iraq to get the US servicemen out - and Obama is doing it faster than he had to do it.

        His vision is what is being rewarded here with this award.
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        • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (October 09, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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          You keep calling our warfare state's belligerence "peacekeeping efforts." I prefer reality. You are welcome to join me.
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          • Author by CohibaMan (October 09, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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            "Reality"? Is that what you're calling your strange delusions these days?

            Our current presence in Afghanistan is a peacekeeping effort. Withdrawing from Afghanistan would be as dangerous as prematurely withdrawing from Iraq would have been - the country would be plunged into a bloody civil war that would probably result in the violent Taliban or a similar group taking power once again.

            Any "belligerence" occurred when we invaded in the first place, which certainly did not occur under the current president's watch. Some, such as myself, would argue that the "belligerence" was both justified and necessary but that is neither here nor there. "Reality", as you put it, dictates that violence in the region will go off the charts if we withdraw.

            That's why the continued presence of our troops is characteristic of a "peacekeeping effort." I'd argue that, during the time they were needed, our efforts in Iraq over the past 5 or 6 years were much the same.
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    • Author by zamfir273114 (October 09, 2009 1:16 pm ET)
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      Well, he is the "token" president. Let him enjoy it.
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (October 10, 2009 3:40 pm ET)
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        See, wesley, this is a perfect example of the racism in those that oppose Obama. Thanks for the example, zam.
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    • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 09, 2009 3:02 pm ET)
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      Somewhere Bill Clinton's head just exploded.

      Why, Erickson? Actually, just look around the blogosphere and the rest of the media. Why, just look at the comments above. Whose heads are exploding? Wesley, fairliberal, stark, etc. It's the people on your side whose heads are exploding.

      Clinton's head and ours are doing just fine, thanks.
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