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Obama's Nobel Prize triggers another wave of America-bashing from right-wing media

October 09, 2009 10:37 am ET by Eric Boehlert

Well, at least conservatives are consistent in their open disdain for American achievement under Obama.

Reminiscent of the Friday Freakout that followed the glorious news that Chicago, and the United States, had been denied the honor of hosing the Summer Olympic Games (Hallelujah!), the same Obama-hating voices in the right-wing media are outraged that the President of the United States has won the Nobel Prize.

In other words, Obama/America loses = good. Obama/America wins = bad.

And no, unhinged critics aren't simply wondering if it's too early in Obama's first term to win such a prestigious award. They're letting loose the divisive hate rhetoric (you'd expect anything less?), and demeaning the international achievement.

In the right-wing blogosphere, Obama's global honor is unfolding like a nightmare.

Question: Why does the conservative media hate America?

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (October 09, 2009 10:41 am ET)
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      Potential loss of profit and power to their corporate masters?
      Maybe they just really hate his hair, but somehow can't think of any way to make it a nut busting issue.
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    • Author by pete592 (October 09, 2009 11:11 am ET)
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      Count me in the "wondering if it's too early in Obama's first term to win such a prestigious award" crowd.
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      • Author by newzhound (October 09, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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        That was my initial reaction. Then I read and heard more about why the Prize Committee did this now. They want to recognize the positive trends. And they wish to encourage both Mr. Obama and the rest of the world to continue down this path.

        Apparently they reasoned that if they waited until all the goals had been accomplished - some of them may not have been met. Did they then lose their opportunity to guide the process by taking this most positive step now?

        Certainly makes good sense to me.
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      • Author by manofmystique (October 09, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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        The only way it would be to early to win the Nobel Peace Prize; if Obama was once a war-monger and then, all of a sudden, changed his mind. Under those circumstances it would be too early to give the Prize to him. That doesn't apply here.
        Why are so many people stuck on stupid? I guess listening to Fox News will have that effect on white folks.
        We are talking about the President of the United State, not George W. Bush. Obama has ALWAYS stood for peace, now he is in a position to make a difference. Obama has since talked to the world and make it clear what he stands for, and it is peace.
        Folks need to start using common sense and stop listening to envious, hateful people who can't see any good in their own President.
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        • Author by pete592 (October 09, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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          I know he stands for peace, I know he's in a position to make a difference, and I have faith that he will. I just think that to be deserving of such a prize, he does need to make a difference, not just be in the position to make one.
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          • Author by pongotwistleton (October 09, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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            Obama has accomplished nothing to deserve this award. He's brokered no peace deals/negotiations anywhere in the world, has accomplished nothing in the way of stemming nuclear proliferation, and has accomplished nothing in the way of bringing any belligerant nation into the international fold.

            On the other hand, on his orders, the U.S. continues to illegally detain people in Guantanemo and continues to occupy Iraq. He eschews his responsibilities in afghanistan by depriving his own armed forces the appropriate force level and supplies that would allow the troops stationed there to defend themselves and stem the escalating violence. And due to his policy of appeasement with Iran, the regime there will soon develop nuclear weapons, with the result of widespread proliferation among every country in that region.

            Now someone please tell me, what has Obama accomplished to deserve the nobel peace prize?
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            • Author by worrierking (October 09, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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              He's consistently tried to reach out to the most aggressive, war supporters on the planet and been rebuffed numerous times, yet he still tries to work with the Republican Party.

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              • Author by New Frontier (October 09, 2009 1:57 pm ET)
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                The Nobel puts the lie to the "Obama is destroying Western civilization" chorus that's been coming from the wingnuts for six months, and now: They simply. Cannot. Deal. With it.
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              • Author by wesley (October 09, 2009 2:59 pm ET)
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                king,

                I'd like to see some specifics on the meme that Pres.Obama has tried to work with those that hold opposite views.

                When has he offered to cede his stance on an issue with republicans...in the interest of reaching out for a compromise?

                I understand that compromise is a two-way street and that republicans don't have much of a record of compromise...but that is not my question.

                My question concerns Pres.Obama's record of actual compromise.
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                • Author by worrierking (October 09, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
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                  Dropping the single payer option in the health care bill in order to compromise with the Republicans.

                  Dropping the public option if it means getting a few Republican supporters.

                  The President has offered to work with Republicans to reform malpractice laws to bring down the cost of health insurance.

                  He's attempted to compromise with Republicans on off shore oil exploration.

                  He's tried to work with the Republicans on every issue and on every issue they've been unwilling to work with him.

                  He's compromised more in eight months than GWB did in eight years.

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                • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
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                  Well, the only reason that the economic stimulus bill was about half tax cuts (pretty inefficient stimulus to the economy) and half govt spending (pretty efficient stimulus) was because the Republicans wanted all those tax cuts. That's the way Obama crafted it before he was even elected, to try to appease those on the right. Turns out, the right didn't want to play nice, but he tried.
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            • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (October 10, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
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              Now someone please tell me, what has Obama accomplished to deserve the nobel peace prize?


              HE'S NOT GEORGE BUSH!!!!!!!
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          • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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            The Nobel Peace Prize committee, the people who know what their standards are, totally disagree with you, Pete, that Obama's vision doesn't qualify. They unanimously agreed that his being in a position to be a thought leader is the perfect recipient of this award.
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            • Author by pongotwistleton (October 09, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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              He wins because he's a "thought leader." What the hell does that mean? If he translates his "thoughts" into actions which further world peace, then fine, he's as deserving of anybody. But again, what the heck has he accomplished so far?
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              • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
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                Okay, since you've missed it the first five times it's been said, I will post one more time what the Nobel Peace Prize Committee said about this. They, after all, are the group who determines what qualifications the recipients should have.

                "The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

                Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future.

                For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."

                Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics.

                Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting.

                The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations.

                Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play.


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                • Author by pongotwistleton (October 09, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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                  Thanks for that post. It confirms my point that other than his meaningless achievement of having a vision of hope, Obama has done absolutely nothing to earn an award that traditionally has been bestowed on the basis of someone's accomplishments.
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                  • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
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                    For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."

                    Your delusions nonwithstanding, Obama is exactly the kind of person who has earned this award.

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                    • Author by pongotwistleton (October 09, 2009 2:04 pm ET)
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                      Again, he's simply a spokesman who espouses policies with which the committee supports. Notwithstanding your sycophantic delusions, he's done nothing but talk. What good has resulted from any of his platitudes of "hope" and "change"? Time will tell if he's nothing more than a half-decent orator who regurgitates the same speeches over and over, but so far his accomplishments as a world leader are nil.
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                  • Author by New Frontier (October 09, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
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                    his meaningless achievement

                    If Alfred Nobel hadn't already invited dynamite, we would definitely have it now, in the form of these wingnut skulls exploding. Feels like the 4th of July.
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          • Author by wesley (October 09, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
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            -- he does need to make a difference, not just be in the position to make one. -- pete

            I agree...irrespective of the stated motives and requirements by the Nobel group.

            The IOC could make a rule that they have decided to award medals based on the entrant's efforts rather than the actual results...well within their jurisdiction...but it doesn't mean that others have to agree with their methodology.

            There are, without a doubt, some on the right who will condemn any action or inaction by Pres.Obama...and some on the left that will defend his every action...all one has to do is read the comments made on this site.

            My disagreement with giving the award to Pres.Obama is that it appears to me to be nothing more than an shallow political ploy...and nothing to do with hating anyone.

            I appreciate your candor. While we disagree on the politics of Pres.Obama...we don't have to flame his every action or mindlessly support everything concerning him.
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            • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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              The IOC would be changing the qualifications for winning a medal, in your analogy.

              The Nobel Peace Prize committee hasn't changed their standards. They have given these prizes to many people and groups who only have aspirations and haven't accomplished much yet.

              The flaw in your argument is that your ignorance of the standards that the committee has long used to make their selections is no defense.
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          • Author by manofmystique (October 09, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
               
            you contradict yourself. "I have faith he will [make a difference]". Then you said "I just think that to be deserving of such a prize, he does need to make a difference" If you have faith he will make a difference why don't you realize Obama is a work in progress?
            A smart man knows you used your position (power)to advocate peace. That is what Obama is doing. It is incumbent for nations and people to accept this call and carry out the initiative. This is what is asked of a peacemaker.
            When nations and people heed Obama's call and peace prevails that would be the result (the actions of others).
            Stop watching Fox. Fox hates their own President. Use common sense and think for yourself.
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            • Author by Brabantio (October 09, 2009 3:58 pm ET)
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              That's not a contradiction. The future is not the same as the present, and his distinction makes that quite clear.

              The labeling of anyone who doesn't agree with you as a FOX viewer is highly obnoxious and entirely uncalled for. Pete has a solid track record as a liberal here, that doesn't mean he has to agree that Obama should get the prize for his intentions.
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              • Author by manofmystique (October 09, 2009 4:31 pm ET)
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                His distinction is as silly as your defense of this idiot. Obama is a man of peace before and after he won the presidency. He is recognized around the world and he has spoken to the world about peace. You think American jackasses appreciates peace? Try again. They don't that's why they have a problem with a peace-offering-peace-making President. Christian Americans should be thankful that a man of peace is in the oval office. But America is a melting pot of hypocrits and that include you and your friend. What I say about you idiots is true not "obnoxious". You do not think for yourself. You follow the people who hate this President. Obama can not do anything right, according to them. Stop defending stupidity and hate. It is hate behind all the criticism of this well intented President. But Fox News and their viewers are blinded by stupidity and hate. Are you one of those lame-brains who think Obama shouldn't accept the award? Please, not talking points from liars, like Fox News and the Republican Party.
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                • Author by Brabantio (October 09, 2009 4:47 pm ET)
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                  Whether he's a "man of peace" isn't really the question. Out of however many nominees, does that in itself put him above anyone else?
                  But America is a melting pot of hypocrits and that include you and your friend.
                  What, precisely, am I being hypocritical about? You should clarify this sort of thing
                  What I say about you idiots is true not "obnoxious". You do not think for yourself. You follow the people who hate this President. Obama can not do anything right, according to them.
                  You are insane. Pete explicitly said that he thinks Obama will accomplish things to deserve the prize in the future. On what planet is that consistent with following people who hate Obama and think he can't do anything right?

                  Get medicated.
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                • Author by wesley (October 09, 2009 10:42 pm ET)
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                  -- His distinction is as silly as your defense of this idiot....But America is a melting pot of hypocrits and that include you and your friend. What I say about you idiots is true not "obnoxious". You do not think for yourself. You follow the people who hate this President.... Are you one of those lame-brains who think Obama shouldn't accept the award? -- manofmystique

                  The only mystique here is the ability to sit up and take nourishment.

                  Idiot? Hypocrite? Lame-brain?...not hardly.

                  Pete...an avowed staunch liberal...dares to offer an independent thought...and is admonished by a radical that can't except divergent thinking if it is critical to Pres.Obama.

                  This isn't a case of "drinking" liberal Koolaid...it's a case of taking it right "in the vein"...proving that neither liberals or conservatives have a lock on insanity.

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                  • Author by manofmystique (October 10, 2009 9:30 am ET)
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                    "The only mystique here is the ability to sit up and take nourishment".

                    You are silly; "nourishment"? what is healthy about the sick state of affairs in America today where stupidity and treasonous behavior florishes? You sound like a man who likes things the way they are. That means you have no idea where America is heading if we don't change course. I do. We are heading to self-destruction. Republicans no longer give a damn about democracy or their image. Just look at who they are listening too. Their listening to the lowest form of man: Birthers, Deathers, Tea-baggers, Rush Limbaugh, Sean (the biggest liar in the world) Hannity and the outright nut Glen Beck. All of these devils want to overthrow the government. You think I'm "radical?". These are the ones you should be concerned about. What is insane is watching Republicans spit on democracy [we had an election and the people have spoken] and put politics ahead of country and accept it as responsible leadership. I disagree with the concept of conservative and liberals because right and wrong is left out the equation, replaced by idiology and Party loyality. It is hard to come together for the sake of truth and right when you are separated by lables.
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        • Author by Brabantio (October 09, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
             
          Why are so many people stuck on stupid? I guess listening to Fox News will have that effect on white folks.
          This is a pretty subjective matter, really. It's not like if you don't think that he deserved to win this year based on intentions over a couple of hundred other nominees, then you must be a FOX viewer. There's some discussion to be had there.

          It's especially nonsensical to bring up race here. It's not like conservatives applauded the award when it was given to Carter or Gore.
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          • Author by manofmystique (October 10, 2009 8:49 am ET)
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            Who are you? A man of peace is a criteria and Obama is a man of peace. Do you think Bush qualified for the Nobel Peace Prize?

            "Out of however many nominees, does that in itself put him above anyone else?"

            Apparently the panel who decided on the nominee believed Obama was a great candidate for the Prize and they gave their reasons, like it or not. That's what counts.

            I believe Obama is an excellent choice, based on his peace stance, his effort to bring about peace in the world. His speech to humanity. Obama is the leader of the most power nation in the world and he spoke to the world about Peace. Whether you agree or not, Obama is a great choice and the selection panel agrees.

            "This is a pretty subjective matter, really. It's not like if you don't think that he deserved to win this year based on intentions over a couple of hundred other nominees, then you must be a FOX viewer. There's some discussion to be had there".

            Fox News is a lying propaganda network who show their distain for the President. This is where most idiots get their information and talking point. You seem to follower Fox News deceptive "fair and balanced" line of BS.
            How hypocritical can a News show be, yet they have huge ratings. That means there are a lot of mis-informed people out there.

            You may vent your disagreement all you want, but there is no need for more discussion on this issue. Obama is the 2009 Nobel Prize winner. Obama accepted the award and that's the name of that tune.

            "It's especially nonsensical to bring up race here. It's not like conservatives applauded the award when it was given to Carter or Gore".

            Those who have a problem bringing up race are the very ones who needs a reality check. All of these daily obnoxious criticism and attacks on this President is due to Obama's race. Thats a fact. Those who deny this is the case should no longer be a part of the discussion. They need to join the mis-guilded Birthers and Tea-party idiots.

            Race is behind the senseless reactions to everything Obama does. You won't admit it but this is why you have a problem with this years Nobel Prize winner. Were you this outspoken when Gore won it? Gore wasn't an advocate for peace, although he was considered a peaceful man.
            You think I am insane; do me a favor and examining my previous posts. You will discover that a great deal of people agrees with with my observation and perspective.
            What is insane is white people trying to convince intelligent black people that race has nothing to do with their sudden dislike and childrish behavior toward their own President. You think black people are not aware why Republicans won't help this President? You think we don't know why Republicans are a Party of no? You think we don't know why they don't (as a group denounce Rush Limbaugh, Sean [Klan]nity and that nutcase Glen Beck? I can go on and on, but race is behind Repubicans/conservatives treasonous actions.
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            • Author by Brabantio (October 10, 2009 11:27 am ET)
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              Do you think Bush qualified for the Nobel Peace Prize?
              Hell no.
              Apparently the panel who decided on the nominee believed Obama was a great candidate for the Prize and they gave their reasons, like it or not. That's what counts.
              Who is saying that the decision can be appealed? It's still debatable by the public. Why do you feel a need to shout down opinions other than your own?
              Fox News is a lying propaganda network who show their distain for the President. This is where most idiots get their information and talking point. You seem to follower Fox News deceptive "fair and balanced" line of BS.
              I'm not following FOX at all. I think it's too early, that's all. It's not a criticism of Obama in the slightest. And guess what? "The selection panel agrees" does not prove that anyone that disagrees with them is an idiot, and it especially doesn't prove that anyone that disagrees with them is a FOX viewer. This effort to smear those that actually do think for themselves is despicable behavior on your part.
              Those who have a problem bringing up race are the very ones who needs a reality check. All of these daily obnoxious criticism and attacks on this President is due to Obama's race. Thats a fact. Those who deny this is the case should no longer be a part of the discussion. They need to join the mis-guilded Birthers and Tea-party idiots.
              No, because there were daily obnoxious criticisms of Clinton as well. Race is an amplifying factor, yes. It is not the sole basis for all the nonsense spouted against him. Like I said, this is a perfect example. Carter was criticized when he got the Nobel Prize as well. That man is white. Gore was criticized as well. That man is also white. You need to identify specific criticisms and specific people in order to make that argument. The affirmative action criticism is racist. Saying that it's too early for him to win is not racist.
              You won't admit it but this is why you have a problem with this years Nobel Prize winner. Were you this outspoken when Gore won it? Gore wasn't an advocate for peace, although he was considered a peaceful man.
              I don't remember being a part of any discussions when Gore won it. If the situation was very similar, then I would say that there were probably better choices. One distinction I think people are missing is that if people are given the award to motivate them, then that would apply better to people who don't have a hell of a lot of power. The Tutu comparison, for instance. Did he have all the power to change things, or was it an uphill battle for him? Obama has the most powerful office in the land and a Democratic Congress behind him. So it's not like he needs motivation or the award is necessary to inspire those around him to accomplish something.
              You will discover that a great deal of people agrees with with my observation and perspective.
              I literally could not care less. I think the award is debatable. I'm not losing sleep over it, I just think it should have waited a while (and if it was really a racist thing, why would I want him to get it at any time?). So if people agree with you that he deserved it now, that's their prerogative, and it's a subjective matter as I said. However, when you take perfectly honest and reasoned dissent from people who have established themselves as liberals years before you ever set foot here and attribute racism and partisanship to them, that is insane. You will not see anyone back you up on that, because they know better.
              What is insane is white people trying to convince intelligent black people that race has nothing to do with their sudden dislike and childrish behavior toward their own President.
              No, I didn't say that it had "nothing to do with" it. It's not the cause, though. It's an amplifier. The right acts irrationally about Gore, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Carter, Kerry, Ted Kennedy, etc. It wasn't racist then, so there must be some other motivation involved.
              You think black people are not aware why Republicans won't help this President? You think we don't know why Republicans are a Party of no? You think we don't know why they don't (as a group denounce Rush Limbaugh, Sean [Klan]nity and that nutcase Glen Beck? I can go on and on, but race is behind Repubicans/conservatives treasonous actions.
              They've never denounced right-wing pundits, though. They hold together as much as they possibly can, because a)they want to push the debate as far to the right as they can, and extremist pundits help the cause, and b)infighting comes off as weak in the public eye. There's a very strong political aspect there anyway, before the question of race even enters the equation.
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        • Author by stefiz (October 09, 2009 2:38 pm ET)
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          listening to the hateful people who can't see any good in their own President makes them feel justified in their own blinding unreasonable hate!
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    • Author by Ecotopian (October 09, 2009 11:13 am ET)
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      The righties are showing a talent for instantly switching the "Party Line" that would have won the admiration of Soviet propagandists. Last week, the loss of America's Olympic showed the world's rejection of Obama. This week, the Nobel Prize shows the world's worship of Obama.

      (I must credit "Sky Pete," who used the logical contradiction to tweak the outraged wingnuts at townhall.com this morning.)
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      • Author by CohibaMan (October 09, 2009 11:38 am ET)
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        Exactly what I came here to point out.

        Limbaugh's reasoning in particular for cheering the rejection of Chicago's bid was that it supposedly served as a referendum of sorts of world opinion towards Obama. Now, a week or so later, it turns out that Obama won the Nobel Prize. Sort of defeats the purpose of all that right-wing joy, now doesn't it?

        Admittedly, I'm torn on this. The Nobel Prize ought to be awarded at the summit of one's acheivements towards world peace. It is usually a recognition of long years of toil for a cause. With that said, I am glad they gave it to him... the committee does not make such decisions lightly. Turning around world opinion of the United States after the previous presidency is an enormous task and President Obama has been doing beautifully.

        The right-wingers have been going on and on about the futility of the so-called "Obama Apology Tour" in the wake of the rejection of Chicago's bid for the Olympics. They called it a rejection of President Obama and ridiculed the hell out of him for even trying. Now he's been awarded a Nobel Prize for those very efforts, something far more prestigious than having your country host the Olympics.

        Looks like the Far Right was wrong again. We should push this for all its worth - it's nice to see their awful rhetoric blow up in their face. It's also nice that we won't have to listen to them go on-and-on about what a failure President Obama is because of Chicago.
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        • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 11:58 am ET)
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          I think if you do some research you'll discover that your idea about when the Nobel Peace Prize "ought" to be given out is not what the Nobel Peach Prize committee thinks they "ought" to do.

          The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

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        • Author by manofmystique (October 11, 2009 8:29 pm ET)
             
          This is unusual because most white guys who try to deal with me would have broken by now and resorted to the lowest denomination to make a point (name-calling, insults). You are very diplomatic and reasonable and I have to respect that. I want to rule out a superiority complex most white people think they inherited over all other people, but for some reason you want to somehow suggest I am wrong with everything I say. Folks lose credibility fast if they try to make such a claim. I know what I am talking about and I know white people (most) will have a problem accepting that, just like they have a problem with a black President.
          I believe you and I could go tit for tat forever and I invite you to continue to respond to any of my future posts.
          It is obvious you and I are on different planets because you somehow can find an issue with everything I say. Could I be that bad? Not a chance. Like Fox News you see things from a Conservative, Liberal perspective and I see things from right and wrong, good and bad, God and the devil.
          That will put us at odds on every issue and that is exactly what is happening here. I do not try to dispute everything someone says because nobody can be all wrong. According to you I am wrong on everything. How is that possible?
          For the record I disagree with many of your post an responses, but I have to admire how you hold your composure and maintain decorum. You are a first (white guy).
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      • Author by Moochie (October 09, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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        To me, the sorriest aspect of the so-far-right-to-be-almost-left's mindless parroting of blithering inanities is the obvious revelation that with them, the light's on but nobody's home. Tragic, really.

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    • Author by newzhound (October 09, 2009 11:13 am ET)
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      The Republicans made much of Osama Bin Laden's tape released just before the Bush-Gore election. Of course, they spun it as Bin Laden supporting Mr. Gore.

      Now we have remarkable similarities between the response to Mr. Obama being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize by the Taliban in Afghanistan and Fox News, et. al., here in the United States.

      As a matter of fact, what are substantive differences between what the Taliban has to say about this and the representatives of the American Taliban - Faux Noise?
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      • Author by LORISNJ (October 09, 2009 11:18 am ET)
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        I think the tape of Bin Laden was right before the 2004 election and they spun it as Bin Laden supporting Kerry. But I agree with your post.
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        • Author by newzhound (October 09, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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          Thank you. I wrote that from memory - and like a number of things at my age, it isn't what it used to be.

          I believe you are correct.
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    • Author by ddc09 (October 09, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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      What has he accomplished?

      Clearly the NPP org is putting the carriage before the horse. But what else would one expect from a thoroughly politically leftist club.

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      • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 11:38 am ET)
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        http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/09/world/AP-EU-Nobel-Peace-Citation.html?_r=1

        I wasn't aware that being committed to world peace was a "leftist" ideology.
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        • Author by neon desert (October 09, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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          Didn't Bush & Co. make that clear?

          And listen to Beck, Hannity, Limpaugh... Over and over I hear them profess the foreign policy of the right being that as long as there is a country that doesn't agree with America - the greatest most moral country ever in the world - the persuasive powers of our awesome military is just wasting oxygen.
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        • Author by Ecotopian (October 09, 2009 3:30 pm ET)
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          Dontcha' know? It's in the same category as reliance on facts, respect for scientific expertise, and recognition that "drill, baby, drill" does not constitute a sane energy policy. Obviously leftist in every case.
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      • Author by CohibaMan (October 09, 2009 11:42 am ET)
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        It's really gotta be hurting you guys that the Olympic Chicago decision wasn't actually the worldwide rejection of Obama that the Right claimed it to be...
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      • Author by roundhouse (October 09, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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        Bitter much?

        The DNC nailed down haters like you in their response.

        "The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists -- the Taliban and Hamas this morning -- in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize, Republicans cheered when America failed to land the Olympics and now they are criticizing the President of the United States for receiving the Nobel Peace prize -- an award he did not seek but that is nonetheless an honor in which every American can take great pride -- unless of course you are the Republican Party. The 2009 version of the Republican Party has no boundaries, has no shame and has proved that they will put politics above patriotism at every turn. It's no wonder only 20 percent of Americans admit to being Republicans anymore - it's an embarrassing label to claim."


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      • Author by New Frontier (October 09, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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        What has he accomplished?


        According to your guys, he's destroying America, the Constitution, and Western civilization via a coup. In just 8 months. Are you saying none of that is really true???
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        • Author by ddc09 (October 10, 2009 12:20 am ET)
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          and who exactly are my guys? take the foot out of your mouth.

          he has done nothing yet. nada. zip, zero. he has a war to either end now or continue, "man of peace" well that remains to be seen doesn't it. both in Iraq and Afghanistan. both are his wars now, bush is over, done, fini. Iran? that also remains to be seen. at least make an effort to think for yourself first before making assumptions.

          No, he does not deserve such an honor at the moment. In a few years after all his lofty promises become realities. I'd even settle for one.
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    • Author by jcsatx (October 09, 2009 11:20 am ET)
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      I'm not a right winger and I think it's ridiculous that he won.
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      • Author by bintx (October 09, 2009 11:38 am ET)
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        http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/09/world/AP-EU-Nobel-Peace-Citation.html?_r=1

        Read why they gave it to him.
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      • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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        And the committee that should know what they're doing says that you are wrong.

        So, maybe you should rethink your opposition - that would be the reasonable thing to do. I don't care what your political philosophy is. It doesn't stop you from from not understanding something and failing to even try to understand it, and it doesn't give you an excuse to have a knee-jerk reaction to it.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 09, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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        I was surprised by it myself, but it certainly wasn't the Nobel committee's worst hour--that was either giving it to Kissinger or never giving it to Gandhi.

        But let's take a moment and reflect--if it was "ridiculous" that Obama won it, then who do you think should have received it, instead? Does any particular statesman or diplomat, anyone exercising influence in a peaceful cause, even any organization have a greater claim right now than Obama?

        Please explain who and why someone else should have won the award. If you can't, then it's not "ridiculous" to give it to Obama.
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    • Author by progressiveright (October 09, 2009 11:39 am ET)
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      Not sure if President Obama is deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize yet or if the committee should have waited a year or two. I think he will earn this award but has not earned it yet. This was given on hope not on accomplishment. The right is shooting this award down because they want Obama to fail and this is a victory for him.
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      • Author by vwcat (October 09, 2009 11:58 am ET)
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        I do think it is too soon for him to win the award but, oh, the fun seeing rightie heads exploding.
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      • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
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        He didn't win it for things he has done, other than express his intentions. And what they are rewarding are his intentions. That's what they think is their goal, so it is your mistaken impression about what the qualifying actions are for this award.

        As the committee said, "For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman."
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        • Author by Brabantio (October 09, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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          The question is whether this is consistent with previous awards or not. They have the right to select whoever they like, but if the award is typically given for actions which have tangible effects, then giving the award for intentions is going to create some debate. That seems pretty natural to me.
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          • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 1:12 pm ET)
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            The award is not always given to people who have accomplished stuff. Often it's given to people with the leadership and the vision to accomplish stuff.

            Like South Africa's Desmond Tutu getting the prize before Aparteid had been ended.

            Like the prize Al Gore won, before much progress had been made on global climate change - he got the award for his vision.

            Like the man and the organization who are working to ban landmines - did I miss when that goal was anything close to accomplished with tangible effects, or is it still a pie-in-the-sky vision?

            I think they would have preferred even more visionaries to give this prize to over the years.
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            • Author by Brabantio (October 09, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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              True, but a handful of such examples still leave questions about what typically wins the prize. And there's also a question of how much groundwork was laid down by people like Tutu for their cause before winning the award. Did he announce he planned on ending Apartheid and then shortly thereafter got nominated? Are "intentions" by themselves often a qualifier for the prize?

              It seems early for me, especially with all of the issues left from Bush still up in the air. If Obama had made huge strides in those areas, then it would make a little more sense. And to suggest that it's their decision, therefore it can't be questioned by anyone else seems pretty shaky. Not to put too fine a point on it, but "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle" could have won "best picture" at the Academy Awards and you could use the same reasoning to shut down any debate on that decision.
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              • Author by DellDolly (October 09, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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                The Nobel Peace Prize committee has said that they'd prefer to give the prize to visionaries to inspire others.

                For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."
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                • Author by Brabantio (October 09, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
                     
                  I read that quote already, but I'm not sure how the only way to stimulate that policy and those attitudes is by giving the prize to visionaries as opposed to those who have made accomplishments.
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      • Author by manofmystique (October 09, 2009 4:35 pm ET)
           
        Not sure? Use some common sense.

        This is a man of hope and peace and all they can say "there is no upside [to winning the Nobel Prize for President Obama]. They want us to believe this is an Affirmative Action and there is no upside? What the hell are they talking about? Better yet, on what planet do they spend most of their time on? The Nobel Peace Prize is a world honor and recognition and has 1 million dollars attached to it. These idiots are envious and mad that Obama is nothing like they define him.
        They claim Obama is this and that, but Obama defines himself. He said he was a man of peace. Now he has the Nobel Peace Prize to booster his position. It’s the idiots on Talk TV and Radio who calls Obama naive, but how often are they right? I submit to you that they are wrong most of the time. This is another example.
        Obama is doing his part to bring about peace in the world and he is doing it on a world stage, but of course he will need cooperation from others for it to be effective. But that is not why they award people the Nobel Peace Prize. They award the peace prize for your stance, belief and effort. On that qualification alone, Obama deserves the Prize.
        What you expect in un-realistic and stupid. The Nobel Peace Prize is in recognition to Obama's stance and effort. As far as Obama being a "weak finisher", I’m sure you don't realize how stupid that sounds. Obama has dedicated his life to peace, and he is not even half way through his first term in office
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    • Author by vwcat (October 09, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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      When hearing the news I told my husband to watch, the rightwing will be saying in a few hours 'see, I knew he was just Jimmy Carter.."
      I see the rightwing did not disappoint and were throwing that around rather quick.
      Mostly, the rightwing gives themselves away again. their biggest problem outside of their intense, unfathomable hate for Obama is that the last republican to win the award was Teddy Roosevelt.
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      • Author by roundhouse (October 09, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
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        And then TR left the Republican Party. Or did he leave the Republicans in their corporate dust before he won the Peace Prize? Either way, he had the good sense to abandon them.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 09, 2009 5:58 pm ET)
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        Actually, the last Republican to win it was Henry Kissinger, and that was easily the worst single blunder the Nobel committee ever made.
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    • Author by pamom (October 09, 2009 12:00 pm ET)
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      I don't know if it's too soon or not, but I for one am PROUD of my President and my country.

      I'm also thoroughly enjoying the reaction of the right.
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      • Author by New Frontier (October 09, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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        I'm also thoroughly enjoying the reaction of the right.

        Me too. It is fascinating to see them react to having to reconcile their "Obama is a dangerous man!" mantras with this Nobel Peace Prize.
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    • Author by steeve (October 09, 2009 12:42 pm ET)
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      It's not "too early" because it has nothing to do with Obama.

      This award is a manifestation of raw hatred towards Bush, expressed in the genteel way of a committee that isn't allowed to express raw hatred.

      It's okay to hate someone who did hateful things.
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    • Author by midcinmann (October 09, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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      I'm as proud and I can be of President Barack Obama. If your not a part of the group that makes these decisions, why do you think you know anything about why he should or should not have been chosen for the Nobel Peace Prize?
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    • Author by paul8616 (October 09, 2009 3:22 pm ET)
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      Boehlert: "Question: Why does the conservative media hate America?"

      Answer, they don't really hate America. They simply love themselves more than they love anything else. It's called 'narcissism.' They are drama queens, and they are upset that *they* didn't get a big prestigious award, too. Thus they throw a tantrum, defaming the recipient of the award they, themselves, wish they had gotten.

      They'll never admit this to themselves or anyone else. But it's clear to see that they are jealous of anyone who's smarter or has achieved more than they have.

      With this in mind, I propose a Nobel Runner-Up Award to give to each these critics, in hopes that the feeling of achievement related to receiving it will allow them to lighten up, just a little bit.
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    • Author by sleepy joe (October 09, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
         
      Take it up with the Norwegian Nobel Committee if you don't agree with their selection. Putting down the President for winning the award does nothing but make you look like a hater.
      "We hate his policies so the rest of the world should hate him too!"
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    • Author by redc1c4 (October 10, 2009 1:48 am ET)
         
      "...had been denied the honor of hosing the Summer Olympic Games,"

      so you're admitting that the sole purpose of the Chicago bid was to to engage in an unprecedented, even by IOC standards, orgy of greed, graft and patronage on a scale of gall that might even make a veteran Democrat blush?

      how decent of you to admit the truth, even if it was a Freudian slip on y'all's part.

      we don't hate America: that's your raison d'etre, and your efforts to destroy it are doomed as long as people still believe in personal freedom. America isn't a place, it's an idea. if you hate my country and my fellow citzens, here's who you hate:

      An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek.

      An American may also be Canadian, Mexican, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani, or Afghan.

      An American may also be a Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans.

      An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim.

      In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan. The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses.

      An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.

      An American lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world.

      The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness.

      An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need.

      When the Soviet army overran Afghanistan 30 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country!

      As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan.

      Americans welcome the best, the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best athletes. But they also welcome the least!

      The national symbol of America, The Statue of Liberty, welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America.

      Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11, 2001, earning a better life for their families. The World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 other countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.

      So you can try to kill an American if you must.

      Hitler did.

      So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and every bloodthirsty tyrant in the history of the world.

      But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself. Because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.

      it's too bad you don't feel that way, but hey: it's still a free country, despite your best efforts.

      you're welcome.
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    • Author by fkstickur (October 10, 2009 8:13 am ET)
         
      They don't hate America, they only hate your type.
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