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Smarter right-wing hacks, please

October 23, 2009 4:51 pm ET by Jamison Foser

Matthew Vadum, pretending he isn't embarrassed by what happened the last time he attacked me, has come back for more:

As I noted yesterday, thin-skinned Jamison Foser of Media Matters wrote Oct. 16  that "some conservative activists induced a statistically insignificant number of the organization's low-level employees to behave badly." [emphasis added]

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So far ACORN employees in Baltimore, Washington, D.C., New York City, San Bernardino, San Diego, and Philadelphia have been shown on video behaving badly. On all the videos, ACORN personnel have been cooperative and helpful to the make-believe pimp and prostitute.

So far ACORN personnel in six offices have acted badly. That's six out of six, or 100%.

What are the chances of that happening?

This is -obviously- not statistically insignificant.

Actually, in statistics when a phenomenon keeps repeating itself over and over again and you're batting 1000, it's called a "trend."

Ok.  First of all, it isn't "batting 1000," it's "batting 1.000."  See, when you divide a number by itself, you don't get 1000 -- you get 1.

Now: I referred to "a statistically insignificant number of the organization's low-level employees" -- not "a statistically-insignificant number of the organization's offices."  Vadum knows this; he quoted it.  He even took the time to bold part of it.  He just didn't take a moment to comprehend it.

So this whole business of "six out of six" is completely irrelevant to anything.  If you have six offices, each of which contain 10,000 employees, and each of which employs one person who robs a bank, is it accurate to say a statistically-significant number of your employees robs banks?  Of course not.  It's utter nonsense.

Now, this next part is awesome:

With the release of the Philadelphia video Wednesday, let's add up the total number of ACORN employees behaving badly.

Unless I'm leaving somebody out:

Baltimore (2): Shera Williams and Tonja Thompson

Washington, D.C. (3): Sherona Boone, Lavernia Boone, unidentified woman

New York City (2): Volda Albert and Milagros Rivera

San Bernardino (1): Tresa Kaelke

San Diego (1): Juan Carlos Vera

Philadelphia (1): Katherine Conway Russell

That's a total of 10 ACORN employees. Of the 10 ACORN employees videotaped, all 10 have acted badly. That's 100% too.

Uh, Matt?  Why would you assume that tapes have been released of every employee they talked to?  That's utter nonsense.  If I videotape 100 people who know Matt Vadum, and 10 of them say he's an idiot, and I release videotape of only those 10 people, then say "See?  That's 10 of 10 people videotaped!  100%" ... Well, if I did that, I'd be a dishonest hack.  And if you just assumed that I released videotape of everyone I talked to, you'd be a sucker.

Eventually, Vadum seems to realize he's going to have to actually address the total number of ACORN employees: 

ACORN chief organizer Bertha Lewis told "Democracy Now!" Sept. 17 that ACORN has 700 employees.

Assuming Lewis is telling the truth (which is a very risky assumption to make given her proven mendacity) then 1.4% of ACORN's workforce has been shown on video behaving badly.

Of course 1.4% is not as impressive a sample as 8.4% but it is certainly not small.

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He's asking people to believe that the 100% of the 10 ACORN employees (representing 1.4% of ACORN's total workforce) shown in videos behaving badly is a statistically insignificant fluke.

Oooh, ooh!  Let me try ... OK, I'll take a sample of the Senate Republican caucus ... Let's go with David Vitter.  White guy, from the South, conservative -- he's pretty representative.  And he constitutes a whopping 2.5% of the caucus.  Oh, wow -- I just realized that 100% of the Senate Republicans chosen (representing 2.5% of all Senate Republicans) has been caught using the services of a prostitute!  Surely this cannot be a statistically insignificant fluke!

Isn't it fun to do math the Matthew Vadum way?

Fun -- and utterly stupid.

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    • Author by toombsie (October 23, 2009 4:56 pm ET)
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      Jamison, I think you are wrong. If you videotaped 100 people who knew Matt Vadum, you'd get way more than 10 that would say he's an "idiot." But despite that, using his math, you'd still get 100% so I can forgive your error.
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    • Author by mattcable250650 (October 23, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
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      According to Wikipedia: "ACORN has over 400,000 members and more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters"
      So 10 employees would actually be %0.000025 of their total workforce.
      Yeah, I think "statistically insignificant" pretty much sums it up.
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      • Author by bilbo_dies (October 23, 2009 8:57 pm ET)
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        From what ACORN themselves say they have:
        "over 700 employees in 60+ offices"

        That would mean that less then .8% (the six people fired) did something that they shouldn't have.

        If anyone learns anything from the ACORN situation it is that any organization can have people in it that might do something illegal, immoral, or improper.

        I may not agree with everything that ACORN does but; I do believe in helping others who have less than me or have had fewer opportunities.
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      • Author by kydem09 (October 24, 2009 7:22 am ET)
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        Wikipedia as a source. Now THAT'S impressive.
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        • Author by political_left-religious_right (October 26, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
             
          And by not providing a different source or giving any reason at all why he might think that Wikipedia's numbers are incorrect, ky-dim's non-response indicates that he thinks that Matthew Vadum is a more legitimate source. Is that really the case, or is ky-dim just playing the dunce for no good reason?
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      • Author by Dubwa (October 24, 2009 11:45 pm ET)
           
        Not all Germans killed jews.
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    • Author by JonPaul (October 23, 2009 6:29 pm ET)
         
      I know both your tone (and the tone of the comments so far) is tongue-in-cheek, but I feel it would behoove you to state the truth--Vadum knows what he wrote is a lie. There's no way someone with two brain cells to rub together could acquire this information and 'accidentally' misinterpret it to this degree. He's a liar, and a bad one.

      Eventually, right wing shills will realize that today's media isn't conducive to the kind of lies propagated by Nixon, Reagan and even the more recent Bush lies. Of course, we'll still have the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute to fabricate 'studies', but it's a start.
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    • Author by DellDolly (October 23, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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      And since we haven't seen the unedited videotapes, we don't know that the portraits his edited videos have painted are accurate pictures either.

      But I agree, Jamison, it's amazing how some people who are clearly outmatched keep providing more proof in public of their incompetence.
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    • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© (October 23, 2009 7:47 pm ET)
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      Smarter right-wing hacks, JF?

      You might as well ask pigs to fly.
      ~
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    • Author by themidnightreview.com (October 24, 2009 9:24 am ET)
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      Wasn't the San Bernadino employee the one who jokes around killing her husband? And wasn't the sound off on the Philiadelphia tape?

      That would actually bring the total to 8 out of 10, so using his math, 80% of the people are bad, but then taking into consideration the number of ACORN employees, that would be equal to .002%.

      Considering .75% of the American population is in jail, I would have to say that if there was any wrongdoing on ACORN's part, it is statistically lower then then American population as a whole.

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    • Author by dash63 (October 25, 2009 8:41 pm ET)
         
      Im amazed that anyone fell for the gag. What a couple of bad actors.I think just the fact that people beleived them is pretty
      much a reason to have them fired.
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