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November 05, 2009 11:20 am ET by Jamison Foser

Digby notes a question Andrea Mitchell asked David Axelrod yesterday, about whether Tuesday's Republican victories in two gubernatorial races will make it "much more difficult" to build a congressional coalition to vote for health care:

Andrea Mitchell: Is this going to make it much more difficult for you on the hill to build the coalitions for health care in the immediate future --- and there may even be a vote this Saturday ---do you think that Blue Dogs and moderates are going to be wary of the White House lead on this because they see these warning signs?

That reminded me of something Mitchell said a little earlier in yesterday's show: "There are warning signs here for him in term of building a coalition on health care ... because they're [the public] getting impatient."

This doesn't seem to make sense. If Tuesday showed us* that people are getting impatient for health care, shouldn't that make it easier to get the votes needed in congress to pass health care?

Over the last day and a half, it has frequently seemed that reporters reached the conclusion that the election results were bad news for health care reform, and then began desperately feeling around for an explanation for that conclusion.  And so they end up with arguments like Mitchell's: People are getting impatient for health care reform ... which is bad news for health care reform!  

* It probably didn't.  We're taking about two governor's races and two congressional elections.  Journalists are almost certainly reading too much into the results.

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    • Author by goesto11 (November 05, 2009 11:27 am ET)
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      I'll file Mitchell's report under "Dewey Defeats Truman"

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    • Author by mk3872 (November 05, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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      But didn't you hear? 2 states voted for Republican governors!

      The press has told me that means HCR won't pass in the U.S. Congress. Since I get all my news from the MSM, I know believe that governors are able to vote to stop federal legislation ...
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 05, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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        I feel sorry for the people who manufacture Republican bumper stickers. Half of their day must be spent doing double takes and re-checking the order to make sure they didn't screw up the wording.

        I'M AGAINST IT, AND I WANT IT NOW !!!

        GIVE ME NOTHING NOW !!!

        KEEP SCREWING ME, AND MAKE IT SNAPPY !!
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        • Author by rtwmd1230 (November 05, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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          NO GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE; NO MEDICARE CUTS!!
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 05, 2009 1:11 pm ET)
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            [http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/v/w/2/dont-steal-medicare.jpg]
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            • Author by DellDolly (November 05, 2009 1:47 pm ET)
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              In a recent op-ed column today, it was pointed out that the best healthcare in the USA is given to the group of people who have universal health care - those over 65, who are all covered by Medicare!

              So, when the Republicans try to boast about how American health care results are already terrific, the only group about which that boast is actually true is the group that has the healthcare that the Republicans want to deny us.

              If you've read about the CBO ranking of the Republican bill, they say that we keep the same number of uninsured people - their bill doesn't improve their status.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 05, 2009 5:37 pm ET)
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                DellDolly, this is the sort of self-contradicting nonsense from the wingnuts that I get such a laugh out of.They just don't seem to get together any clear ideas that don't completely blow up in their face, although it doesn't seem to matter to them.

                It's why I'm so amused by the wingnut posters who come here repeating these same illogical things, and throw their tantrums when "people make fun of them for having a different opinion".

                They just can't seem to grasp that ridiculous, fantasy-based bullsh*t is not an equally credible and opposing opinion to reality.
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            • Author by goesto11 (November 05, 2009 3:37 pm ET)
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              Get a brain, morans!
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        • Author by eweston8542983 (November 05, 2009 4:10 pm ET)
             
          POLITICAL SUKCESS! BY ANY MEANS! BY ANY DEFINITION! BY ANY VOICE IN MY HEAD!
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    • Author by twseattle (November 05, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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      It's the new politics, gaining two seats in congress makes it harder to build a coalition. Considering Her husband is the guy that engineered our current economic situation, it may be a step forward.
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