Pat Boone drops eliminationist rhetoric, still telling lies about Obama
November 07, 2009 2:36 pm ET by Terry Krepel
Pat Boone may have dialed back the eliminationist rhetoric for his latest column (published at WorldNetDaily; it remains to be seen whether Newsmax will publish it after removing the eliminationist one), but he's still lying and misleading about Barack Obama.
Boone claims that "Candidate Obama swore that he'd veto any of these porky earmarks that found their way into any bill that crossed his desk" yet signed a bill containing "contained $7.7 billion in nearly 9,000 earmarks." In fact, Obama never promised to eliminate earmarks; rather, he promised to reform the earmark process and eliminate wasteul spending.
Boone also writes that "Our president informed the Muslim world that 'America is no longer a Christian nation.' " As we noted the last time he did this, Boone is taking Obama's words out of context; Obama actually said that America is not just a Christian nation but "also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."
As he has before, Boone embraces the birther movement, bashing Obama for his "steadfast refusal to provide to the public who deserves and wants it an actual copy of his birth certificate! Not the 'certification of live birth' that has been produced and accepted by a strangely gullible and meek Congress." Boone adds:
The growing number of determined citizens who are demanding transparency are being derided and smeared as "birthers," in the hope that they'll be written off as irrational or politically biased.
But my question is -- and has been for over a year now -- "MR. OBAMA, IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE, WHY ARE YOU SPENDING A FORTUNE TO HIDE IT?"
It's an acknowledged fact that Barack Obama Jr. was born to an 18-year-old American girl and a Kenyan father, a British citizen. Some have seen an actual videotape, now strangely unavailable, in which the boy's fraternal grandmother describes being in the delivery room in Mombasa, Kenya, when young Barack was born.
In fact, there is no "actual videotape" of this. There is, however, a selectively edited audio clip of a phone call made to the grandmother by Anabaptist minister Ron McRae that leaves out the part in which it appears that the grandmother's misunderstood what McRae was asking and that, when asked more directly whether Obama was born in Kenya, the grandmother's answer is no. McRae has spread other dubious claims about Obama and is apparently opposed to race-mixing.
We probably shouldn't be expecting scrupulous accuracy from retired pop idols, but couldn't Boone at least try to get his facts straight?
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Obama may be Constitutional law professor, but for him it's just a grade & jst a piece of paper. He claims the Constitution is "deeply flawed". A "remarkable document"? The design of the best gevernment ever know to the wordld & he thinks it's remarkable & deeply flawed. Yet he has sworn to uphold it?
Why should we do what you haven't done? Seriously.
Politeness says I should ask whether you've, for instance, read the Federalist, then await the reply. But it just saves time to state flat-out that you haven't. You've just been told by your masters that they back you up.
Sorry to hear that you don't think the constitution is a remarkable document.
As far as the Federalist, no I haven't read it completely but I have read many book & articles regarding this time in our history. i am currently reading "The 5000 Leap" which too also discusses the greatness of the birth of our nation and how incredibly wise our Founders were.
See unfortunately I went to a public school where we all know American History & the Constitution isn't exactly one of their strong points.
9Don't believe me? Just asks anyone out of high school in the last 3 years how much they know about the US History & our Constitution. I rest my case!) I've been out of school a lot longer than that & the schools have only gotten worse in this department. My liberal professor in college wasn't that helpful as well so most of my learning has been self taught from desire. Yes you are right I haven't read the Federalist yet but I'm sure it will only secure the foundation I have gotten through previous studies.
So why do you do it? You haven't been able to put forth a cogent argument that I've ever seen, yet you continue to return. Why?
We aren't a Christian nation. We weren't founded on Christian beliefs or as a Judeo-Christian nation. We just weren't. All your wishing and hoping and stomping of feet and whining won't change that.
Your "foundation" is a sham. It is built upon quicksand. It will not support a single one of your previous arguments, nor can it possibly support this one.
We are a nation that has a majority of Christians, but if our founding fathers were alive today, the tea partiers of today, would be making up silly signs against them.
The flag-waving aside, and the terrible writing aside, I strongly object to your idea that the U.S. Constitution is divinely inspired. Divine inspiration, or theopneustos, is a referrant to the Scriptures alone. Frankly, you're courting heresy by claiming otherwise.
As far as the Federalist, no I haven't read it completely but I have read many book [sic] & articles regarding this time in our history. i [sic] am currently reading "The 5000 Leap" which too also [sic] discusses the greatness of the birth of our nation and how incredibly wise our Founders [sic] were.
No one claims the founders weren't wise. The dispute is that they weren't all, or even primarily, fundamentalist Christians.
See unfortunately I went to a public school
Bummer you weren't taught English and spelling therein.
where we all know American History & the Constitution isn't [sic] exactly one of their strong points.
Which may explain your stunning ignorance of them.
9Don't [sic] believe me? Just asks [sic] anyone out of high school in the last 3 years how much they know about the US History & our Constitution. I rest my case!)
Suggesting we do something is not making a case. You've added logical errors to all the rest. I could just "rest my case" here about you being an uneducated buffoon, but I'll let you ramble on.
I've been out of school a lot longer than that & the schools have only gotten worse in this department.
Your evidence? Oh, never mind.
My liberal professor in college wasn't that helpful as well [sic]
You went to college? I frankly find that a bit hard to believe, especially if you only had one professor.
so most of my learning has been self taught from desire.
You've had a lousy teacher, then.
Yes you are right I haven't read the Federalist yet but I'm sure it will only secure the foundation I have gotten through previous studies.
You admit you haven't read it, but you know it will prove you right? That's not education, that's sheer delusion.
Class dismissed.
At it's inception, the U.S. Constitution did not ascribe rights to Blacks and women based in part on a perception that both Blacks and women were dependent on White males for their very survival.
Omigod, now I'm gonna get it, because I admitted the the USA wasn't perfect....
Um, no. It was actually built more on the philosophical principles of the Enlightenment and the Constitution specifically declares that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article VI, Section 3.) The founders were as likely to be deists as Christians and in some cases (Washington, for example) the Christianity was more formal than real.
He claims the Constitution is "deeply flawed"
Didn't that come from his "doctoral thesis," the one that turned out to be a complete hoax? (His actual thesis was on US-USSR nuclear disarmament negotiations.)
You may not need a nanny, but you clearly need a clue.
[June 28, 1813; Letter to Thomas Jefferson]
“We recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!”
[April 18, 1775, on the eve of the Revolutionary War after a British major ordered John Adams, John Hancock, and those with them to disperse in “the name of George the Sovereign King of England." ]
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”[letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress]
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798
George Washington
"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere
“The name of American, belongs to you…[and] with slight shades of difference, you have the same religion.”
--George Washington in his Farewell Address to the American people, Paragraph 10; September 17, 1796 | photo of farewell address
“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”
--George Washington in a speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors."
Benjamin Franklin
“The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?”
Jefferson
I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
Thomas Jefferson
Alexander Hamilton:
Hamilton worked with the Reverend James Bayard to form the Christian Constitutional Society to help spread over the world the two things which Hamilton said made America great:
(1) Christianity
(2) a Constitution formed under Christianity
Alexander Hamilton explained in an 1802 letter to James Bayard:
"I now offer you the outline of the plan they have suggested. Let an association be formed to be denominated 'The Christian Constitutional Society,' its object to be first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States."
"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
"For my own part, I sincerely esteem it a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests." [1787 after the Constitutional Convention]
These are just a few of the Founder. Are you sure they weren't Christian? Even if some were Deists, it still doesn't stop the fact these Founders thought the personal freedom came from a Divine Sovereignty and not from any person or goverment. They clearly acknowledged that a religious and moral people were the only way to maintain a prosperous nation. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”-John Adams
As far as your "doctoral thesis" point. That is incorrect. he actually said it in 2001 on a Chicago radio station. That is addressed further down.
There's that reading comprehension difficulty right wingers always have. I said, quoting exactly, "The founders were as likely to be deists as Christians." Attempting to claim I either said or implied that none of them were Christian is as invalid as your attempt to imply they all were.
Even if some were Deists
Hold it right there. Your claim was that the US was "built on the principles of the Judeo/Christian faith." Now you're admitting that at least some were deists? You've just retracted your original claim.
Quickly referring to your cherry-picked quotes:
- If you'd read more about Washington, you'd know that in public he was quite pious because he regarded it as politically wise. In private, he rarely even mentioned religion and people who knew him said they didn't know for sure just what his beliefs were.
- Franklin's quote, the one you use, makes no reference to anything that could by any stretch of the imagination be called Christianity.
- Jefferson was a deist who was so much a creature of the Enlightenment that he had a Bible that he went through and literally cut out - I mean cut out with a knife - all the references to miracles.
The question remains: If this was supposed to be a "Judeo-Christian nation," why does the Constitution specifically bar any religious test for office or public trust? It would have been simple enough to have Article VI, Section 3 reject religious tests "other than a belief in Almighty God." Why does the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion? It would have been easy enough to have it guarantee such freedom "to all varieties of the Christian faith." (Or "Judeo-Christian faith," if you prefer.)
If you drop what various individuals said and instead look at what the authors of the Constitution actually produced, you see a document that seems to go out of its way to avoid putting things in religious terms. The word "God" appears nowhere in the document, nor do "Jesus" or "Christ" and the single occasion of "Lord" comes in the phrase "year of our Lord."
I'm sure that there were some then, as there are now (present company included), who imagine the US to be a nation founded on their particular religious beliefs. That doesn't mean that's what happened.
This country was built on the principle that people of ALL faiths and of NO faiths should be able to practice in whatever manner they wish.
"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
And, the Constitution was "deeply flawed," but I believe you are taking his words out of context.
“The original Constitution as well as the Civil War Amendments,” he replied. “But I think it is an imperfect document, and I think it is a document that reflects some deep flaws in American culture, the Colonial culture nascent at that time.
“African-Americans were not -- first of all they weren’t African-Americans -- the Africans at the time were not considered as part of the polity that was of concern to the Framers. I think that as Richard said it was a ‘nagging problem’ in the same way that these days we might think of environmental issues, or some other problem where you have to balance cost-benefits, as opposed to seeing it as a moral problem involving persons of moral worth.
“And in that sense,” Obama continued, “I think we can say that the Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day, and that the Framers had that same blind spot. I don’t think the two views are contradictory, to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now, and to say that it also reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day.”
Love your songs. I own 3 of your albums. You've got a lot of talent. Please don't embarass yourself.
Best way to not embarrass yourself? Get your head out of your ass.
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This is a nice piece of funny that predates those inflated crowd numbers.
At the height of the birfer movement conservatives were playing "can you top this" with how much money Obama's spent on legal fees. They all gave specific numbers, and it kept going up and up into the millions. But every single one of the numbers was invented out of nothing. Obama has never spent a penny defending this nonsense.
Back in the Clinton days you could count on a tiny grain of truth hiding somewhere behind winger lies. Not anymore.
That's because you guys are a bunch of kooky racist wingnuts, Pat.