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And conservatives say there's no racism in America ...

November 09, 2009 11:45 am ET by Jamison Foser

Neal Boortz: Rep. Maxine Waters is an "idiot" who "should be cleaning restrooms"

Ann Coulter: Without affirmative action, Rep. Waters couldn't get a job "that didn't involve wearing a paper hat"

And, of course, Don Imus famously referred to Gwen Ifill as a "cleaning lady"

Why is it that when some conservatives think of successful African American women, these are the first things that pop into their minds?

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    • Author by shaggles (November 09, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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      Cons don't say thre's no racism. They claim to be the victims of racism.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (November 09, 2009 11:54 am ET)
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        Well, they're certainly the victims of racist thinking.

        Their own, of course.
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      • Author by vysotsky (November 09, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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        Exactly. MMFA's only highlighting these comments because the people who made them are white. The injustice!
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      • Author by Diosnomeama (November 09, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
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        Of course there's still racism! Don't you remember, Obama has a "deep seated hatred of white people." As we all know, Glenn Beck has never ever been wrong about anything, ever. Didn't you know that the fact that whites own the vast majority of wealth and power here and abroad is just some crazy conspiracy by minority groups to bring the white man down? I read that somewhere, so it must be true. <---SARCASM.
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    • Author by progressiveright (November 09, 2009 11:54 am ET)
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      These are the people who say the most racist of statements and then say they are not racist. The people are liars of the upmost perfection.
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    • Author by goesto11 (November 09, 2009 11:58 am ET)
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      All during the interminable run-up to the 2008 election, we kept hearing the question: "Is America ready for a black president?"

      And now we know the answer: No, America was not ready for a black president.

      I think many American racists are not even aware that they are. They keep saying things like, "I just want to return to the America I used to know..." and they have trouble articulating exactly what they're uneasy about.

      But they're racists just the same.
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      • Author by SMTDL (November 09, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
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        Yes They are!!!They don't think they are racist because there are rarely any consequences for what they say or do.Even John McCain defended Don Imus and you have an elected Senator not only defending Rush limabaugh but demanding an apology from the NFL comissioner while saying he has heard nothing offensive from Limbaugh!!!You have blacks like Michael Steel and Walter Williams who let it go as well for fear of losing their "acceptance" byconservative thatnever see anything but reverse racism and anythingelse is trivial"playingteh race card" no matter how repugnant!Someone could call the President the N-word and somebody like Limbaugh will say it was his fault for bringing it on himself!!!
        What America do they want to go backto...segregated 50's and 60's .Jim Crow lynching era of the post Reconstruction days ....or back to the slavery endorsing period when the Constitution was adopted!?? Either way it is all a backsward step or steps..Why does anyone want to go backwards...fix what's really broken and go forward!!!Liberals/Progressives as always will have to do that because conservatives never do!Left to conservatives I don't think anyone would be voting now except white males!!!
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        • Author by goesto11 (November 09, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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          Don't be ridiculous.

          If conservatives had their way, voting wouldn't be restricted to white males -- they'd have to be white male land owners.

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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (November 09, 2009 12:23 pm ET)
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        goesto, you are os right. There have been several times when i've heard HANNITY AND LEVIN ranting "I want my country back." Too bad for them they'll have to wait for the next election to have a chance, and I hope they lose again.
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    • Author by DAWUSS (November 09, 2009 12:12 pm ET)
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      Outside of Coulter's comment, how are those racist? Similar comments could be made about white people...
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      • Author by goesto11 (November 09, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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        It seems silly to point this out, but context is significant in language.

        White people are not caricatured by referring to them as holding jobs as cleaning ladies or restroom cleaners. That's generally how racist Americans caricature minorities.

        I could refer to a white person being lazy, having a fondness for fried chicken and watermelon, or being prone to violence -- and no one would bat an eye.

        If I say those same things about a black person, those are racist statements.

        Get the difference?
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        • Author by DAWUSS (November 09, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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          Different standards for different people, there's equality for ya...
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          • Author by magnolialover (November 09, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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            And again, you're missing the historical signifigance of these things, and also how they were used as racist statements in the past.
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            • Author by DAWUSS (November 09, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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              Times change.
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            • Author by DAWUSS (November 09, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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              Times change.
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              • Author by vysotsky (November 09, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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                Yeah, times do indeed change. Once people actually recognized the material effects of generations of slavery, denial of property rights, denial of legal rights, formal segregation, informal segregation, and prejudice. Now people conveniently pretend that those centuries have absolutely no lasting effects or significance.

                How times change.
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              • Author by goesto11 (November 09, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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                I live and work in Durham, North Carolina. The Durham public schools were integrated in 1969.

                I work with people who went to high school here in Whites Only and Negroes Only schools.

                Racism isn't something that ended when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. It's alive and well, and its ugliest forms are very recent.

                It's a shame you can't appreciate that.
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                • Author by magnolialover (November 09, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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                  I also used to live and work in Durham, NC, and it's still a highly charged place to live in regards to race relations. And remember, it wasn't until the late 70's, or even early 80's when race relations in the South started to somewhat normalize, if that's a word that can be used as such. I mean, in the 80's, the KKK gunned people down in the streets of Greensboro, and nobody was ever arrested.
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                  • Author by goesto11 (November 09, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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                    The Greensboro shootings were even captured in vivid detail by news photographers.

                    And still no convictions of the KKK members (who showed up at the protest march with loaded guns in their trunk) responsible for the deaths.

                    It's hard for some younger people to appreciate it, but 1979 was not that long ago.

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                    • Author by magnolialover (November 09, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
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                      Indeed, the videos are out there for all to see, and yet, no convictions for the shootings, zero.

                      I wasn't that old in 1979, but it wasn't that long ago for certain.

                      In Durham, look at the tensions that exist between NCCU and Duke for instance. Duke, mostly white, and rich, NCCU, working class and black.
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                  • Author by congero6189599 (November 09, 2009 2:09 pm ET)
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                    Yea I remember that incident and it still shames us,and wasn't that long ago. It was clearly a set-up with police collaboration, look how long it took them to respond. I can't believe the lack of curiousity and knowledge of history. I remember someone posting to me how was Rush limbaugh telling a black caller to take the bone out of their nose racist!?! I think the poster was serious and young not trying to be funny. It caused me to stop and think about the level of intellect and knowledge of the people we are dealing with.
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                • Author by Tbone Slickens (November 10, 2009 11:11 am ET)
                     
                  Exactly goesto! Very recent indeed...Mike Nifong charging those racist white boys with rape of a hooker and the majority of the MSM (to include MMfA) and Duke U. tried them in a court of public opinion...

                  Wait...they were innocent, but, but, they just HAD to commit those crimes because, you know, she was a poor black girl who made the charges...

                  It is alive and well mainly used as a cudgel on your side.
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          • Author by goesto11 (November 09, 2009 12:31 pm ET)
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            You're living in the wrong century (not to mention the wrong country) if you don't believe we need different standards for different people.

            Or would you prefer a society where I (41-year-old male) should be able to marry a 12-year-old girl?

            Oh, dear! That 12-year-old girl doesn't have the same standards that adults have. You better go out and organize a Tea Party in support of marriage for 12-year-olds.

            You see, as an advanced and complex society, blanket standards rarely apply.
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          • Author by SMTDL (November 09, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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            Get your head out of the sand.White people caricatured,demeaned and streotyped blacks this way going back to slavery days but it continued thru the time of Stepenfetcit,Amos&Andy,etc.Why would these intelligent, learned bastions of knowledge stoop to using such a reference and not expect it to be offensive.They could have made any valid points with some fact or evidence to show whatever they were trying to say.Saying somebody or something is stupid has no credence if you can't show how that is the case by citing relevant facts rather than using disgreement or opinion.
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          • Author by vysotsky (November 09, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
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            "Different standards for different people, there's equality for ya..."


            You can't possibly be serious, dawuss. There's one standard here: "Don't be an a-hole". If white people had been enslaved and been denied the right to property and all legal rights for generations and then subjected to systematic segregation and denied voting rights, and then if white people had been redlined and denied housing, and then if their primary representation in media for decades had been as either servants or criminals or mysterious magical strangers... then yes, we could say that calling an accomplished white journalist a "cleaning lady" would have the same associations. But I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.

            So if you want to find out why these comments are racially charged, why don't you find a female African American superior where you work and call her a cleaning lady. Perhaps she could explain to you why that particular image carries racial overtones better than I can.
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      • Author by worrierking (November 09, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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        Don't take anyone's opinion as gospel.

        Do your own poll.

        Go to both an all white neighborhood and a minority neighborhood and in both say that you think Gwen Ifil looks like a cleaning lady and that Maxine Waters should be cleaning public restrooms.

        You'll get your answers.
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        • Author by goesto11 (November 09, 2009 12:52 pm ET)
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          Yes, context can be geographical, too!
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (November 09, 2009 1:01 pm ET)
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            What are you crazy Moonbats talking about ? There's not one "N" word in any of those comments. How can they be racist ?
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            • Author by historygeek001 (November 09, 2009 1:14 pm ET)
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              Besides, it's easy to see that they're not racist -- they tell us that they aren't! Why would anybody actually try to use anything as liberal/elitist/socialist/nazi/communist/etc. as CRITICAL THINKING to examine what they say? Just listen to them and they'll tell us what to think. That's much easier.
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      • Author by pete592 (November 09, 2009 1:30 pm ET)
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        Similar comments could be made about white people
        Not from Boortz, Coulter or Imus.
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    • Author by jfkisgr8 (November 09, 2009 1:59 pm ET)
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      If you say there's such a thing as reverse racism, you're a racist.
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    • Author by MeanMrSpicyMustard (November 09, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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      You guys are all forgetting that some of Ann Coulter's best friends are black.

      Like Michael Steele.

      And.

      Uh.

      Hmm.
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    • Author by srichardson (November 09, 2009 2:15 pm ET)
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      I guess it could be harder for someone who lives in an urban area to understand that racism still exists in America. (I honestly don't know how they couldn't see it considering the way innercity schools look compared to the suburbian schools.). I live in Northern Oklahoma and believe me, racism is everywhere. A small town about 15 miles from mine has an understood rule that if you are black and in city limits after dark, you will probably get shot. There are no black people who live in that town, or in the town that I reside. The kids in my class have been raised by racist parents and will often let the N word slip until I raise heck about it. I try to educate them by using biblical values (a right wing trick) but even that can't burst through the hate they see from their parents. The things these right wing nutjobs are saying are the EXACT things my racist neighbors say. So don't try to act like racism doesn't exist bc it is alive and well in the South. And people like Limbaugh, Coulter and Boortz know this.
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    • Author by Sks1 (November 09, 2009 2:25 pm ET)
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      of course conservatives think or want to make people believe there is no racism. I agree with others who ask the question to what america pepople are talking about when they say things such as i want my country back,,,well my question is what exactly has been taken from you? the people on the right throw all these baseless charges out there to use fear of htis black man being in the white house as a way to control peoples thinking and if pepople are gullible enuff to fall for it then yeahhhh the right wing extremists win...people should use their own common sense and make up their own minds by educating themselves on the facts and not allow themselves to used as sheep
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      • Author by magnolialover (November 09, 2009 6:22 pm ET)
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        I always ask people that same question. The one of, "If you want your country back, what have lost since 20 Jan 09?"

        They say something about tax money. I ask them if they make more than $300k/year, answer has always been NO, which means, they, like me, and 98% of the other folks in the country, have received a tax CUT under Obama.

        Then they say something about health care. What has changed I ask? Well, nothing, really, but Obama WANTS everyone to get health insurance. Is that so bad? Really? These are the same looney birds who complain about having to pay for uninsured people who use the ER as their doctor. Umm, hello?

        Thing is, they can't point to one thing that they've "lost" since Obama was elected, which leaves the fact that they're not very happy that a democrat is in office, and a black democrat at that (the latter is a smaller portion of people). Now, if they were really honest about things, they'd just say, I don't want a democrat in the White House, which I would say for about 80% of the tea partiers is probably the truth, for the other say, 20%, they REALLY have a problem with a black man running the country, as in, how dare that N***** tell ME what to do!!!

        They haven't lost anything under Obama, thing is, Obama has carried onward with a lot of W's policies, which SHOULD make these fools happy, but nothing does, and nothing will, except for a blundering fool like Palin to be sitting in the Oval Office. If we're dumb enough to elect someone like her as President, God help us all.
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