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UPDATED: So, what really happened to Lou Dobbs?

November 12, 2009 11:52 am ET by Karl Frisch

So, what really happened to Lou Dobbs? According to The New York Times: "Months ago the president of CNN/U.S., Jonathan Klein, offered a choice to Lou Dobbs ... [he] could vent his opinions on radio and anchor an objective newscast on television, or he could leave CNN." This after months of intense pressure from those concerned with the content broadcast nightly on Dobbs' CNN program -- leading some in the press to describe the host as a "publicity nightmare" for the network. It is in that environment, that Dobbs announced last night his immediate departure from CNN, his cable news home for nearly 30 years.

Media Matters released the following statement responding to the late breaking news:

"For too long, CNN provided Lou Dobbs with its stamp of approval as he pursued a dangerous, one-sided and all too often false conspiracy tinged crusade against immigrants," said Eric Burns, president of Media Matters. "This is a happy day for all those who care about this nation of immigrants and believe in the power of media to elevate the political discourse."

Since CNN's Lou Dobbs first began spreading false, racially charged conspiracy theories about President Obama's birth certificate in July of this year, Media Matters for America has published 299 research items, video/audio clips, column, and blog posts about his misinformation and hate speech. Below are some of the most significant examples of work Media Matters has done -- this year and in the past -- to combat Dobbs' pernicious influence on the national dialogue.

The Drop Dobbs campaign and other efforts. Media Matters played a leading role in the Drop Dobbs Coalition (DropDobbs.com), which was launched to call attention to Dobbs' incendiary hate speech and falsehoods. Through this coalition, Media Matters worked successfully behind the scenes to persuade major corporations to stop advertising on Lou Dobbs Tonight. The coalition includes numerous national civil rights and other groups concerned about the kind of hate promoted daily by Dobbs on his television and radio programs. In addition to Media Matters in partnership with NDN, the coalition, representing over 2 million people, includes the National Council of La Raza, LULAC, the National Hispanic Media Coalition, America's Voice Education Fund, The Hispanic Institute, the Southern Poverty Law Center, Netroots Nation, Voto Latino, Labor Council for Latin American Advancement, the Center for New Community, Reform Immigration for America, the Dolores Huerta Foundation, the National Puerto Rican Coalition and the Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials. There were also many others around the country involved in complementary efforts including the amazing grassroots organizing and activism conducted by Presente.org through their BastaDobbs campaign.
 
Media Matters released ads -- which CNN refused to run -- calling for Dobbs to be held accountable. In August, CNN refused to air a Media Mattes ad calling on the network to credibly address Dobbs' continued promotion of birther conspiracy theories. In October, CNN refused to air an ad produced by America's Voice and Media Matters calling out the network for giving Dobbs a prominent platform. Both ads ultimately ran on competing cable networks.
 
Dobbs repeatedly advanced false conspiracy theories about Obama's birth certificate. As Media Matters extensively documented, Dobbs suggested on his July 15, 2009, CNN show that the birth certificate Obama provided to FactCheck.org was not "the real document" and suggested on his radio show that day that it was not "the real deal." After asking if Obama should be "more forthcoming" about his birth certificate, Dobbs added: "One of our callers, by the way, pointed out that he didn't release -- he didn't release his medical records, either. Now isn't that interesting? And hasn't produced some other documents. What's the deal? What is the deal here? I'm starting to think we have a -- we have a document issue. Do you suppose he's un -- no, I won't even use the word undocumented. It wouldn't be right." On his July 21, 2009, radio show, Dobbs faulted "certain quarters of the national liberal media" for "absolutely trying to knock down the issue of President Obama's birth certificate." On his July 23, 2009, radio show, Dobbs addressed media reports on his conspiracy theories by declaring, "I do believe in a national left-wing media conspiracy in which they work in concert and attack like hell."
 
Dobbs used CNN to engage in wild conspiracy theories and legitimize hate groups. Dobbs' birth certificate obsession wasn't the first outrageous theory that he promoted on CNN. As Media Matters documented, Dobbs has repeatedly accused the U.S. government of secretly plotting with the governments of Mexico and Canada to merge the three countries into a "North American Union" -- a charge his own CNN colleagues labeled a "conspiracy theor[y]." Dobbs has promoted the smear that Mexican immigrants are conspiring to reclaim the U.S. Southwest for Mexico and at one point illustrated this theory by using a graphic sourced to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a hate group that "oppose[s] all efforts to mix the races of mankind." Dobbs famously aired a false report about a purported spike in leprosy cases linked to illegal immigration and repeatedly defended his show's reporting even after it had been proven wrong.
 
Dobbs had close ties to "hate group" FAIR. In September, Dobbs helped lead the annual "Hold Their Feet to the Fire" radio host rally organized by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) -- an organization the Southern Poverty Law Center has designated a "hate group." On August 28, Media Matters president Eric Burns wrote an open letter to CNN president Jonathan Klein urging him to prohibit Dobbs from participating in the FAIR event. Media Matters also documented that Dobbs used his CNN show to report on the FAIR rally without disclosing during those reports that he was helping lead it. A year earlier, Dobbs had broadcast his CNN show from the FAIR rally. In addition, the group has given Dobbs an award for "his continued efforts in leading the immigration reform movement through both his talk radio show and his television show." In the past year, Dobbs has cited FAIR as a credible source on immigration issues at least six times and has routinely failed to disclose his close association with the group.
 
Dobbs smeared U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce as sympathetic to "Mexico's export of drugs and illegal aliens." On March 10, 2009, Dobbs criticized Obama for delivering a speech on education to the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. Dobbs accused Obama of "pandering to the pro-amnesty open-borders lobby" and aired a clip of a FAIR spokesman saying, "We don't want the president to make it appear as if he's favoring one particular group in the disposition of public benefits." Dobbs also said, "Making a decision to talk about a national initiative on education from the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, which is effectively an organization that is interested in the export of American capital and production to Mexico, and Mexico's export of drugs and illegal aliens to the United States. This is crazy stuff." On March 17, 2009, Dobbs said he "made a mistake," explaining, "I, of course, do not believe that the chamber supports or condones either drug or human trafficking. My apologies to the ... U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, and I hope that they will forgive me for that misspeaking."
 
Report: CNN's Lou Dobbs problem and the immigration debate. In September, Media Matters released a report on the most egregious conspiracy theories, hate speech, and undisclosed conflicts of interest in Dobbs' immigration reporting. Among other things, Media Matters documented that Dobbs used his CNN show to report on and praise a Hazleton, Pennsylvania, ordinance targeting undocumented immigrants without disclosing that he had been helping to fundraise for the town's legal defense fund.
 
Report: "Dobbs' immigration obsession out of step with CNN's news coverage." In July, Media Matters released a report documenting the extent to which Dobbs' broadcast was consumed by the topic of immigration, and undocumented immigrants specifically. Media Matters showed that over a period of six months, Dobbs had more than three times as many broadcast hours that included briefs, segments, and panel discussions on immigration -- often focusing on undocumented immigrants -- as The Situation Room, which is three times as long as Dobbs. In word count, the difference was even starker, with Dobbs devoting about 528 words per hour to discussions of immigration -- 13 times more than The Situation Room's 40 words-per-hour average.
 
Report: Conservative guests outnumber progressives on Lou Dobbs Tonight. In May, Media Matters released a report documenting that in the first four months of 2009, 52 percent more Republicans and conservatives appeared as guests on Lou Dobbs Tonight than Democrats and progressives. These results were consistent with a 2006 Media Matters study on Dobbs' guest lineup.
 
Lou Dobbs' right-wing war on health care reform. In August, Media Matters released a report documenting Dobbs' repeated use of discredited right-wing smears about health care reform efforts, including the notions that end-of-life counseling could lead to "euthanasia" and that Obama said he "doesn't even know what's in" the House health care bill. Dobbs also touted GOP Sen. John Barrasso as "one of the leading experts on ... health care" and provided a forum for serial misinformer Betsy McCaughey to falsely claim that the economic recovery package would allow the federal government to eliminate "whatever" it deems to be "unnecessary" health care.
 
Dobbs declared, "Mexico has become our enemy." As Media Matters documented, Dobbs complained on his March 3, 2009, radio show that there are people "trying to control our political agendas" and "social agendas with political correctness, trying to control thought, and, of course, speech through political correctness." He added that while it may be "politically incorrect," it is "absolutely factually correct" that "Mexico has become our enemy."

Online videos used to boost campaign against Dobbs. Media Matters effectively used its official YouTube channel to generate pressure against Dobbs through new media outlets. The ad addressing Dobbs' continued promotion of birther conspiracy theories that CNN refused to air in August generated nearly 168,000 views online, and at the same time, led to a huge media presence both in the traditional and new media. Moreover, a mini-documentary Media Matters produced for DropDobbs.com received more than 60,000 views since the launch of that site. In late July, when Dobbs was repeatedly advancing false conspiracy theories about Obama's birth certificate, Media Matters was able to expose his efforts through rapid response videos, releasing four videos from July 27 through July 30 on its YouTube channel exposing CNN's Dobbs problem; the videos generated well over 80,000 views. All together, Media Matters' special rapid response videos exposing Dobbs have generated well over 300,000 views.

So, what’s next for Dobbs? In October, The New York Times reported that "Dobbs ... met for dinner with Roger E. Ailes, the chairman of Fox News, last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the meeting" and that one of those sources "said Mr. Dobbs is a potential hire for the Fox Business Network." Well, that move may be a bit tough to pull off. Fox News' Geraldo Rivera recently ripped Dobbs for his Latino-bashing rhetoric saying he "is not coming to Fox News." Following news of Dobbs' resignation, Fox Business anchor Liz Claman tweeted, "Clearly Geraldo won." Rivera is by no means Dobbs' only obstacle. Dobbs had recently been involved in an on-air spat with new Fox Business hire John Stossel. After the former reporter of ABC's 20/20 said "I don't subscribe to Lou Dobbs-kind of rants about immigrants wrecking America," Dobbs went on the attack, calling Stossell a "self important ass" and his criticism, "myopic idiocy."

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    • Author by Bad News (November 12, 2009 12:00 pm ET)
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      Lou Dobbs was a Stain on CNN's integrity.
      Mr. Dobbs was CNN's version of Sean Hannity.
      By losing this Racist they have begun the process of regaining their Sanity.
      This was the only way of avoiding a Journalistic Calamity.

      Speak truth to power.


      Mr. News
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      • Author by The Lonewacko Blog (November 12, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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        Speak truth to power??? You're joking, right?

        If anyone "spoke truth to power", it was Dobbs: he to a good extent tried to interfere with attempts by the GOP, Dems, crooked business, and racial power groups to profit from illegal activity. The combined power of the illegal activity-supporting establishment is far greater than anything Dobbs had. Perhaps you should try your best to think this through in a bit more depth.

        As for MMFA's screed, if you follow the links they don't tell you everything about what Dobbs has discussed and they don't really disprove anything. Not only that, but when it comes to the NAU, they're quite willing to take the Bush administration's word for things. In MMFA's world, the Bush adminisration was lying about just about everything, except for the things the Bush admin did that MMFA supported. In that case, the Bush admin was right (per MMFA). That doesn't sound too much like "speaking truth to power", now does it?

        And, regarding the groups that MMFA is closely linked to, you might want to do your research before trusting what MMFA tells you. See my extensive coverage of the National Council of La Raza and of the League of United Latin American Citizens.

        The first group gave an award to someone who'd proposed genocide.

        The second group has a national official who's made "reconquista" remarks and whose CA chapter doesn't think the U.S.-Mexico border is valid.

        And, MMFA is locked at the hips with them.
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        • Author by wzwriter (November 12, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
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          And your brain is non-functioning.
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        • Author by snoopy (November 12, 2009 6:19 pm ET)
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          Awww, poor baby. Now that y'all are being forced to live by the same self responsibility you demand of everything else y'all resort to crying about being picked on. How typical.
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          • Author by Cheney2012 (November 13, 2009 6:08 am ET)
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            As usual the creeps here have no substance to counter Lone's argument.
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            • Author by wzwriter (November 13, 2009 9:32 am ET)
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              How do you counter stupidity??
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              • Author by fairliberal (November 13, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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                Again , you prove the point. Well done!
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                • Author by spooky3 (November 13, 2009 9:37 pm ET)
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                  When MMFA has repeatedly presented evidence that a poster simply dismisses without presenting any evidence to the contrary, one can only conclude that evidence is of no interest to that poster, and it is a waste of time to review it. It's not complicated.
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                  • Author by benjr (November 13, 2009 11:15 pm ET)
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                    Exactly. Cheney, fairlib, etc., consistently post drivel without any proof to back up their arguments. When MMfA and posters here actually provide proof to back up the point that Dobbs was, at the very least, negligent, if not willfully dishonest about the topics he presented on his show, we still hear the noise machine cry about lack of evidence. Dobbs finally had to answer for his rhetoric.

                    By the way, I read Lonewacko's links. Really, linking to your own site is juvenile, but where do you have any proof that MMfA is "locked at the hips with them"? Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. I believe that I can fly; if I jump off a building guess what's going to happen?
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                  • Author by benjr (November 13, 2009 11:15 pm ET)
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                    Exactly. Cheney, fairlib, etc., consistently post drivel without any proof to back up their arguments. When MMfA and posters here actually provide proof to back up the point that Dobbs was, at the very least, negligent, if not willfully dishonest about the topics he presented on his show, we still hear the noise machine cry about lack of evidence. Dobbs finally had to answer for his rhetoric.

                    By the way, I read Lonewacko's links. Really, linking to your own site is juvenile, but where do you have any proof that MMfA is "locked at the hips with them"? Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. I believe that I can fly; if I jump off a building guess what's going to happen?
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            • Author by spooky3 (November 13, 2009 9:35 pm ET)
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              Why would you choose to spend time with people you think are creepy?
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        • Author by coach777b (November 12, 2009 6:40 pm ET)
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          As Lou exits, stage right, we would hope that you and his supporters exit with him. That will give us some breathing space and the time to repair the damage done by Lou. Of course we also know that you will be energized by his re-emergence on Faux news just in time for the 2010 Elections. Give us a break. Goodbye Lou and good riddance.
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          • Author by marty99577 (November 13, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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            What damage? what are you going to replace the conservative viewers with, more kool aid drinkers? I don't really think any of the networks can afford to loose viewership.

            CNN along with all the other main stream media have their days numbered and nothing could make me happier. Justice comes to all.
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          • Author by navyguy85 (November 13, 2009 3:25 pm ET)
               
            god forbid someone has a different opinion than the people here. You people attack and ask questions later. Free speach is a right live with it.
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        • Author by rkallen09 (November 13, 2009 9:13 am ET)
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          Please explain how MMfA is "closely linked" to the National Council of La Raza and the League of United Latin American Citizens. I followed your links I saw no reference to MMfA in either of your articles.
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        • Author by eekeller (November 13, 2009 1:56 pm ET)
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          "Lonewacko" really suits you.
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      • Author by ezdidit (November 15, 2009 1:12 am ET)
           
        ...and good riddance to him.
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    • Author by goesto11 (November 12, 2009 12:01 pm ET)
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      Why not take a page from the Fox News book, and post a big "Victory for MMfA Nation!" on the home page?

      Oh, right. 'Cause that's lame.
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      • Author by Major Tom (November 12, 2009 12:08 pm ET)
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        Frankly, It's close enough.
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        • Author by Ouroborus (November 12, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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          Agreed. The lede on this is beneath the usually high standards of MMfA. While we of course appreciate MMfA's role in bringing down this hatemonger, this reads less like objective reporting and more like gloating.
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      • Author by wzwriter (November 12, 2009 1:28 pm ET)
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        This is one case where "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" would be completely appropriate. :-)
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    • Author by lewislaw7153 (November 12, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
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      Anyone know the answer???

      Did someone actually shoot a bullet into Dobbs house that just missed his wife? Sheriff's Dept. said it didn't happen . .

      *

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      • Author by magnolialover (November 12, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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        Sounds like, what I assumed when I read the story, that a hunter shot, didn't know where his bullet ended up, it BOUNCED off the vinyl siding, and fell to the ground.

        Nobody was shooting at Dobbs, OR his wife.
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        • Author by walstib (November 12, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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          LIAR!! I know for a fact that a secret kill-squad from East-LA was created expressly to take him out. They just got the range wrong when they translated the instructions from Mexican to American.

          I know all of this because I too am a secret agent of sorts.

          Plus my new foil hat fits just perfectly.
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    • Author by raygun (November 12, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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      now do something about chris matthews.
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    • Author by RavenRog (November 12, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
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      Explain to me how someone who has defended the Border Patrol and the basic immigration laws gets called "anti-American" and was petitioned repeatedly for his dismissal?

      No one was calling for his dismissal in the 90s when he was the loudest voice out there against NAFTA. He's fiscally liberal.

      Congrats on your so-called "victory" MMFA, that you had nothing to do with. Someday your dream of every anchor and pundit sounding like Olbermann and Maddow will come true.
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      • Author by wzwriter (November 12, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
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        Lou Dobbs has a well-documented history of hate speech on the public airwaves, regardless of his support for the Border patrol - which trumps nothing.

        Follow this link if you want to learn something...
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        • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (November 13, 2009 4:34 pm ET)
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          I read the NY Times article. It quoted no one who had any knowledge of what went on. It was purely speculative and without any verifiable content. Dobbs said he asked to be released from his contract. That doesn't sound like getting fired to me. When he quit before he was not fired - and it was pretty much the same scenario - announcement and gone.
          It's too bad that MMFA has no better grasp on their influence (which is zip)than to claim victory on this one. At least when Bush landed that jet on the aircraft carrier, someone had done something.
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          • Author by open_mind (November 14, 2009 4:07 am ET)
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            Well it is hard to believe this was not precipitated by some sort of build-up simply because of how suddenly it happened. The only way the pressure would not be a factor here is if Dobbs woke up one day and simply decided he was going to go on air that night and just quit. It kind of defies plausibility.
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      • Author by Cheney2012 (November 13, 2009 6:05 am ET)
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        "Explain to me how someone who has defended the Border Patrol and the basic immigration laws gets called "anti-American" and was petitioned repeatedly for his dismissal?"

        Because 'Anti-American' people -- of the same ilk of the jerk in the White Hoouse -- were leading the petitions.

        "Congrats on your so-called "victory" MMFA, that you had nothing to do with. Someday your dream of every anchor and pundit sounding like Olbermann and Maddow will come true."

        True, but their reports won't be heard over the chirping crickets.
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        • Author by open_mind (November 14, 2009 4:16 am ET)
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          I never really had a problem with Dobb's immigration coverage except for that time he accused immigrants of bringing in leprosy and then refused to correct his blatant errors. His attempt to mainstream the birthers was also an all-time low for CNN regarding journalistic standards. Dobbs just stayed a little too long and ended up deteriorating as a journalist largely because it seems he could not adequately handle valid criticism. CNN really had no choice in the end.
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      • Author by Publius39 (November 13, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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        Congrats on your so-called "victory" MMFA, that you had nothing to do with. Someday your dream of every anchor and pundit sounding like Olbermann and Maddow will come true.


        That actually doesn't sound too bad. At least we would have some journalistic integrity back in the news.
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      • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (November 13, 2009 12:14 pm ET)
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        If every anchor sounded like OLBERMANN and MADDOW that would be alright with me.
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        • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (November 13, 2009 4:35 pm ET)
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          It would be all right with all sorts of people who populate this sight. People who have no respect for the truth, no respect for their country and no respect from any decent American.
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          • Author by coldteablues19577325 (November 13, 2009 6:43 pm ET)
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            "It would be all right with all sorts of people who populate this sight. People who have no respect for the truth, no respect for their country and no respect from any decent American."

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Puh-leeeeze.
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          • Author by missgirl (November 14, 2009 12:56 pm ET)
               
            Don't you mean Faux news indoctrinates?
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      • Author by Phil Stone (November 14, 2009 6:01 pm ET)
           
        Because despite the Conservative paradigm you are apparently operating under, this isn't about his politics, its about his "journalism" no longer being journalism. The fact that he supported enforcement of immigration laws describes only part of what he said. He presumably was correct about other things he said. I was going to say, "For example, that Obama won the election," but his apparent support of the "birthers" sort of puts the lie to that. There are many examples cited above where Mr. Dobbs clearly presented falsehoods as true. He promoted the "birther" gang despite their having no evidence. He reported on events as if disinterested when he had helped organize them and used his show to promote them. You apparently want to believe his message, so you want to believe everything he says is true,( or at least fair). But truth is not relative to politics.

        If Mr Dobbs had spent more time on tying specific American businesses to the use of undocumented labor, and showing their efforts to keep that supply of labor flowing through political contributions and the politicians involved, I would be curious to see if he would have lasted as long as he did. But he would have at least been doing journalism, and providing the evidence needed to drive the debate in the general direction he sought. Instead he wound up resorting to fear, and falsehoods that only muddy the debate. Don't you think the Chamber of Commerce appreciated the fact that their opposition was becoming increasingly seen as paranoid and racist? Moving to Fox or running for President will only further erode his credibility, and the audiance for his message.

        The one positive thing I would say about Mr. Dobbs was his willingness to appear on "The Colbert Report", where Colbert went so far as to appear as his own"Mexican cousin" and spoke in Spanish. One can only imagine the reaction of some of his associates in the anti-immigration crusade when faced with that.

        Oh, and the world would be a much better informed place if every one on air was as fair and civil as Rachel Maddow.
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      • Author by Kid Funkadelic (November 14, 2009 10:44 pm ET)
           
        Jon Stewart has more credibility than Lou Dobbs.Firing a racist was good for business.
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    • Author by themidnightreview.com (November 12, 2009 12:50 pm ET)
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      I wonder if Fox will pick up Dobbs?

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    • Author by wesley (November 12, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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      Careful now, mmfa...this could be a premature ejaculation of joy.

      Yes, Dobbs is now gone from CNN...but it's yet to be determined if he is off television.

      You remember how this one worked out...
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (November 12, 2009 1:22 pm ET)
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        Bye, bye Lou,

        He's got many millions tucked away in the bank, and he's still got over 450 listeners on his radio show.
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        • Author by fairliberal (November 13, 2009 12:31 pm ET)
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          He's got more listeners than anyone on Air America, doesn't he. Why? Because Air America has nothing useful to say.
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      • Author by open_mind (November 12, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
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        True. I don't really care for gloating about it.

        I just think the whole situation was pathetic. If Dobbs was a little more honest about his own reports, I would not think he should quit.

        My main problem is how Dobbs would promote birtherism and then deny he was doing it or that he did not believe in it himself. Dobbs also claimed immigrants carried leprosy and then refused to address his own comments honestly. Dobbs claims he is a journalist, so that puts higher standards on him. When he gets the facts wrong, he needs to address it in an open and honest way. Dobbs lost his job by shoddy journalism.
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        • Author by wesley (November 12, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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          -- If Dobbs was a little more honest about his own reports, I would not think he should quit. -- OM

          I'll take your word for it, OM...because I don't watch/listen to his programming.
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          • Author by open_mind (November 12, 2009 4:39 pm ET)
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            Am I hallucinating or did MMfA just change the title and add their case for canning Dobbs above the "Flashback" clip?

            Anyway, MMfA mentioned some of the things I previously mentioned for further reading.

            To be completely honest with you, Wes, I have only watched clips of Dobbs on this site and others (I've never watched his show in its entirety). Some (of the clips) defend Dobbs and some attack him and some just show parts of Dobbs' show. I think Dobbs was once a brilliant journalist - even on issues where I deeply disagreed with him, but MMfA did a pretty good job pinning down some examples of bad journalism on Dobbs' part. Dobbs oddly chose to be defiant from what I saw - instead of just admitting his mistakes.

            I think a lot of the charges of "racism" against Dobbs are wildly overblown. I do not think Dobbs is a racist at all. He is married to a latina - which does not entirely give him a pass, but it is pretty dang good evidence he at the very least does not summarily hate latinos.
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            • Author by Tbone Slickens (November 13, 2009 8:54 am ET)
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              NO hallucination...they changed it. Good on you mate for holding their feet to the fire.
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      • Author by DellDolly (November 12, 2009 1:38 pm ET)
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        This episode in his life is one notch in the belt. If you think he can come back from this and ever have the credibility he once had, I think you're mistaken.

        And that's the whole issue.

        It's never been the goal to stifle debate or shut them up. It's been to make them lose credibility and stop them from being able to poison the debate with their inflammatory, distorted commentary as if they deserved lots of credibility! I think this works towards that goal.
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    • Author by info410 (November 12, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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      Explain again why janitorial wages dropping from 12.50 an hour in the late 80's to around 3.95 an hour present day is a good thing for Los Angeles.

      The drop in pay coincides with a huge influx of illegal immigration.
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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (November 12, 2009 8:58 pm ET)
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        Explain again why janitorial wages dropping from 12.50 an hour in the late 80's to around 3.95 an hour present day is a good thing for Los Angeles. The drop in pay coincides with a huge influx of illegal immigration.

        Explain why?

        That's easy, SOMEONE found they could hire more illegal immigrants to work for cheaper wages and longer hours, without complaining, making SOMEONE a small fortune.

        And here's a clue, that SOMEONE wasn't the illegal immigrant!
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        • Author by juliajayne1 (November 15, 2009 10:14 am ET)
             
          Hi Pearlene. ;-)

          Gee, I wonder why people like Dobbs are railing against the worker, but not who hired him. Seems to me that's where the problem lies. So why wasn't Dobbs making hay of that fact? Instead he chose to devote his time to claiming things like illegals murdering people and bringing leprosy into the country. Seems like a mighty back door way to hold the companies that profit handsomely from the illegal's labor to account. Oh, but that was never his intenton I guess.
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      • Author by diogenie27611 (November 13, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
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        Wow! Another claim with no evidence. Alright, this is what you need... You need a credible source for the statistics regarding the wages, then you need another credible source for the statistic regarding immigration.

        I'm not saying they aren't true (though they seem ridiculous) but I'm certainly not going to just take your word for it.

        My guess is you certainly won't be able to provide them.
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      • Author by open_mind (November 14, 2009 4:21 am ET)
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        What do dropping janitorial wages have to do with Dobbs being fired? Are you concerned that wages in the only other occupation Dobbs is qualified for cannot support his lifestyle? Calm down. Don't worry about Dobbs. I am sure he has millions in the bank and he is still qualified to be a people-greeter at Wal-Mart if he needs a job to pass the time.
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    • Author by PursueTruth (November 12, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
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      Regarding O's birth documentation, what's been provided is a "Certification of Live Birth". I haven't seen anyone discuss the difference between that and a "Birth Certificate" Anyone here know the difference?
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      • Author by wesley (November 12, 2009 4:18 pm ET)
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        I guess you're new...the subject has been bashed out thoroughly around here...check the archives and you'll find that most everyone here knows the difference.
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      • Author by open_mind (November 12, 2009 6:04 pm ET)
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        A "Certification of Live Birth" is a "Birth Certificate" according to the State of Hawaii. They should know:

        When we spoke to a spokeswoman for the Hawaii Department of Health, she said too much was being made of the difference between the so-called "long" and "short" forms.

        "They're just words," said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. "That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii."

        "There's only one form of birth certificate," she said, and it's been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

        "When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site," she said. "That's the birth certificate."

        As for the theory that Obama's original birth certificate might show he was foreign-born, Okubo said the "Certification of Live Birth" would say so. Obama's does not. Again, it says he was born in Honolulu.

        Hope that helps you out.
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      • Author by DellDolly (November 12, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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        When someone new comes on here, and asks for 'help', we instinctively don't believe them.

        There was an original birth certificate that would have been given to Obama's parents. Who knows where that one is now? It wasn't given to the infant child, right, you know that? It was either held by the mom or the dad, and who knows (or really cares) what happened to it?

        What one does as an adult when you need a birth certificate - for ID, for a passport, whatever, is you go to the state you were born in, and you ask their Dept of Vital Statistics to go into their vaults and pull the original that they have in their possession, and you ask them to create a duplicate copy from their records.

        That what we've seen, the COLB, which in Hawaii is what one gets nowadays if you need a replacement for the original birth certificate.

        And the Hawaiian officials have stated that this is what they did. Obama was born in Hawaii. End of story.
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    • Author by kydem09 (November 12, 2009 1:31 pm ET)
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      Yippee!! Victory because a guy nobody watched anyway is off the air. Pop open the champagne bottles!! (Sure hope the sarcasm is evident enough for all the Kool Aid drinkers.)
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      • Author by open_mind (November 12, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
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        I must have missed out on the Kool Aid, because I don't see your attempt at sarcasm. Are you saying that nobody actually watched Dobbs or are you making fun of people who said nobody watched Dobbs - suggesting he was actually very popular?

        Sarcasm can be tricky for conservatives. Good sarcasm is usually indistinguishable from genuine zealotry. Apparently you think using double exclamation marks substitutes for carefully crafted writing.
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        • Author by spooky3 (November 13, 2009 9:43 pm ET)
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          psst - he probably watches Stephen Colbert and thinks he's a fine conservative.
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    • Author by DellDolly (November 12, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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      On his July 23, 2009, radio show, Dobbs addressed media reports on his conspiracy theories by declaring, "I do believe in a national left-wing media conspiracy in which they work in concert and attack like hell."

      Yes, there is a leftwing conspiracy, but not of the media. That leftwing conspiracy wants to heal our nation from the rifts people like you have been tearing in the fabric in our nation. We want to stop allowing people to poison the well. The toxic nonsense keeps us from being able to spend the time we need to debating topics of national interest and instead pay attention to death panels that don't exist and conspiracy theories that are based upon lies, like the birther nonsense.
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    • Author by whillenbrand (November 12, 2009 2:23 pm ET)
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      DOBBS DEPORTED

      http://www.theonion.com/content/index
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    • Author by Rocinante (November 12, 2009 2:34 pm ET)
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      Lou was the last reason to watch CNN. I guess I will become a full time Fox watcher. Looks like he will have a bigger audience to keep up the good fight defending our nation from a bunch of criminals invading our country. Lou is a great independent voice and I look forward to watching him were ever he ends up at.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (November 12, 2009 8:01 pm ET)
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        Yup, and Sadam's WMD's will be showing up anyday now.

        This was a battle won by many. Not a victory. Victory will be a half a dozen threads on MMfa a day. Not the spread that can take hours to cross as it is today.
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    • Author by Martha (November 12, 2009 4:08 pm ET)
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      Lou Dobbs Returns to His Planet; ‘My Work Here is Done’
      Bids Earth Farewell, Boards Rocket


      NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report) - Controversial CNN host Lou Dobbs bade the people of Earth farewell today as he embarked on a long voyage back to his planet of origin.

      Standing on a launching pad with his rocket ship at the ready, Mr. Dobbs addressed a crowd of dozens who came to wish him a safe trip and godspeed.

      "People of Earth, farewell," he said. "My work here is done."

      In his farewell speech, Mr. Dobbs acknowledged the irony of his being an alien but insisted that he had been on Earth legally.
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    • Author by northerner (November 12, 2009 6:18 pm ET)
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      Some say he was fired.

      By the standards used by Lou Dobbs (and many others, to be sure), I can simply use "some say" without having to specify who or how many makes up "some". As long as "some say", I have the duty to report it.
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      • Author by jojodoll (November 13, 2009 1:48 am ET)
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        Fox should dump Geraldo and hire Dobbs. What a wonderful world this would be.
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        • Author by open_mind (November 14, 2009 4:24 am ET)
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          That might just happen. Fox likes to gain street cred with conservatives by doing things like that.
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    • Author by SpacePedestrian (November 12, 2009 9:17 pm ET)
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      Given his seniority and such, he obviously went out with the network appeasing him and his image. Classy of them really. But in any case, SO overdue.
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    • Author by exner (November 13, 2009 12:21 am ET)
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      How this could happen for all this years in this country of immigrants. He sounded like Hitler himself. Wrong for the United States, wrong for CNN. Finaly this hateful jerk, is over and we all can look for the future.
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    • Author by marty99577 (November 13, 2009 12:38 pm ET)
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      Well, the only news program I watched on CNN was Lou Dobbs, now they went and let the left dictate who they hire and who they fire.

      I really don't see it as a problem. Mr Rupert Murdoch, rumor has it, is looking to acquire another network. Possibly NBC/MSNBC. If he does, I doubt any fair and balanced news person whose only interest is the well being of our country, will be out of a job long. The problem, as I see it, will be for "reporters" like Olbermann, Matthews and Maddow. Mr Dobbs will have no problem with viewers as was the case with Glenn Beck. Conservatives will survive. It's the radical left wingers who will become dinosaurs.

      We do have a problem with illegal immigrants and we should also do some investigative research into how this president was vetted. The media didn't do it and congress just rubber stamped him. Someone needs to find out for sure to remove all doubt.
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      • Author by benjr (November 13, 2009 11:23 pm ET)
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        we should also do some investigative research into how this president was vetted. The media didn't do it and congress just rubber stamped him. Someone needs to find out for sure to remove all doubt.

        Umm..... What does congress have to do with vetting the president? I thought we voted for him. I guess members of congress can also vote for whomever they want, but there are 435 members of congress, so I don't think they would change the electoral landscape too much. By the way, what "doubt" are you talking about concerning President Obama? Agree or disagree with his policies, it is completely clear that he was elected democratically. So what's your point? My guess is you just don't like him and have nothing of substance to say.
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    • Author by Welfare-Warfare State (November 13, 2009 2:42 pm ET)
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      Hey, let's not debate our oponents in the arena of ideas. Let's just try to get them off the air. We don't like their ideas so no one else should have to hear them either. I guess CNN will be a purified progressive wonderland from now on without a whiff of dissent with the Obama administration. It's all so doubleplusgood.
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      • Author by open_mind (November 14, 2009 4:02 am ET)
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        You guys are so full of crap. Where is your criticism of O'Reilly for having a petition to get Olbermann fired? Where is your criticism of MSNBC firing Phil Donahue right before the Second Gulf War despite being MSNBC's highest rated program at the time? Were you there to defend Dan Rather against being fired? How about Bill Maher? Alan Colmes? Just kidding. It's not like Colmes was much more than a Fox "News" liberal patsy to begin with, but I am sure you complained about that imbalance in the arena of ideas as well. Sure.

        Face it. This is your game just as much as it is anybody elses (if not moreso). Dobbs got sloppy. He made some pretty huge mistakes and did not correct them. Any credible news organization takes a lot of heat and unwanted criticism when things like that happen. Dobbs was a liability to the network probably most comparably to the Dan Rather situation.
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    • Author by navyguy85 (November 13, 2009 3:23 pm ET)
         
      I tend to believe the network. Your website or groups had nothing at all to do with his being replace. Illegal Immigration is a serious problem that costs tax payers millions, possibly billions each year. It need to have control measures in place. The united states is not the United Way
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    • Author by cpinva (November 13, 2009 3:48 pm ET)
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      So, what really happened to Lou Dobbs?


      he was abducted by (illegal) aliens and anally probed. he was then replaced with a "pod" person, who looked suspiciously like kevin mccarthy.

      it's all in sarah palin's book.
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      • Author by citizenj (November 14, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
           
        Alan Colmes' site mentions nothing about Dobbs in any way shape or form, Alan Colmes never mentions anything negative about any of the wingnuts employed by Fox News,
        Dobbs is going to Fox News. QED
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    • Author by foundchicago9759 (November 13, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
         
      He jumped the shark when he claimed someone shot at his house.
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    • Author by johnny u (November 14, 2009 1:42 am ET)
         
      why should we celebrate the firing of lou, that john rocker can't pitch for the braves, or that rush can't own part of a football team? all that just boomerangs on us. vann jones has to quit because he signed a petition asking that bush's prior knowledge about 9-11 be investigated, and now the wh news director has quit for praising mao. are we all going to have to look over our shoulders for our entire lives, tiptoeing on eggshells the whole time? i say keep lou dobbs despite his faux populism , let john talk about how terrible eastern females drive, and let rush be part owner of an nfl team. people will still know that chinese women have the lowest car insurance rates and that rush and lou are xenophobic, bombastic, and part of the neo-know nothing party. what i'd like to see is the seesaw balanced. for instance, why isn't noam chomsky on the airways for at least 90 minutes a week? why does he have a 6% name recognition in the us and a 70% name recognition in europe? it's nice to hear rachel and keith on msnbc, but theirs is often a food fight. they find the goofiest conservatives and mock their often idiotic statements. but in times as turbulent as these, with rampant unemployment and many wars to fight, shouldn't the very premises of our economy and foreign policy be examined? chomsky can do this in a way no one else can. watch him on you tube against bill buckley. he won the debate easily and flustered buckley repeatedly. and he was decent, respectful, and erudite as he did it. buckley reneged on his promise of future debates. the media is simply corporate controlled. chomsky will never grace the covers of time as both coulter and beck did, two dimwits who get the attention of the mainstream media. chomsky is just dangerous to the established order, and the failure of the mainstream media to even acknowledge him as a credible spokesman proves that there is no "liberal media".
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    • Author by johnny u (November 14, 2009 12:16 pm ET)
         
      i can't comment. i tried last night , but there is no more room. this is a very important issue,so you need to go ahead and allow more space for comments!
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    • Author by lede39571545 (November 14, 2009 2:44 pm ET)
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      Don't really care what happened, just glad he is gone.
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