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Conservative media critics remain clueless as to how journalism actually works

November 14, 2009 12:23 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

The latest example is the fact that right-wing bloggers are mocking an AP story which fact-checked Sarah Palin's new book. Why the mockery? Because the AP item was compiled by 11 staffers.

Mark Steyn at NRO claims the AP's use of resources is a perfect example why "American newspapers are dying." 

Writes Steyn:  

Wow. That's ten "AP writers" plus Calvin Woodward, the AP writer whose twinkling pen honed the above contributions into the turgid sludge of the actual report. That's 11 writers for a 695-word report. What on? Obamacare? The Iranian nuke program? The upcoming trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

No, the Associated Press assigned 11 writers to "fact-check" Sarah Palin's new book, and in return the 11 fact-checkers triumphantly unearthed six errors. That's 1.8333333 writers for each error. What earth-shattering misstatements did they uncover for this impressive investment? Stand well back:

Steyn either doesn't understand how newsrooms work or he's playing dumb. (I'm going with the former.)

Why did the AP uses so many writers to fact-check Palin's book? Simple, Going Rogue hasn't been officially released yet and advance copies of the book were not sent out to journalists, which means reporters weren't able to fact-check it ahead of time. And now that the book has (sadly) become a big news item, the AP wanted, as quickly as possible, try to fact-check the book. What's the best way to do that? You basically assign one chapter to each reporter and have them go to work. Then, in a very short amount of time, you're able to fact-check the entire book, rather than asking one person to take on that large task.

But Steyn, apparently unaware of how newsrooms work, is astonished that the AP would use so many writers on the Palin article.

Also telling is the fact that Steyn mocks the AP for only finding six errors, or "1.833333" per-writer. That's an interesting twist on logic. Is Steyn suggesting the AP should have known before reading the book how many errors it would find? Is conservative Steyn amazed the AP didn't find more errors in the Palin book? And if so, what does that say about Palin's standing?

The AP didn't assign 11 people to speed read and fact-check Palin's book because it thought it would find four dozen errors, or because it thought it would find just three errors. The AP assigned a team to speed read and fact-check Palin's book not knowing how many errors it would find, but wanted to find out the answer. i.e. It wanted to undertake a journalistic endeavor.

Is that so hard for Steyn to figure out?

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    • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (November 14, 2009 12:36 pm ET)
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      What is with the right wing crackpots with "numbers of things". First its the 2000 page health care bill, then 11 AP reporters working on Palin's ramblings.

      What other numerical thing are they going to get crazy about?
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 14, 2009 12:47 pm ET)
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        They love to use flat numbers to excite people who have trouble with abstract thinking.
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        • Author by Cheney2012 (November 16, 2009 12:06 am ET)
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          Oh yes Eric, that's exactly how a "newsroom" works. A Corporate-Conservative newsroom uses 11 people to fact-check a book by a conservative that nobody cares about. Can't we spend some time and manpower on news?

          So is the fact, Eric, that you entire homepage is Palin evident of the SAD truth that the book is a big story. Or is it evidence of the corrupt, lying left being in love with the politics or personal destruction? I'll go with the latter!

          "Why did the AP uses so many writers to fact-check Palin's book?"

          Nice verb tense disagreement there Eric. AP could have assigned one of the 11 to SPELL-check your work.
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          • Author by shaggles (November 16, 2009 11:38 am ET)
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            "So is the fact, Eric, that you entire homepage is Palin evident of the SAD truth that the book is a big story."
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          • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (November 16, 2009 4:36 pm ET)
               
            "So is the fact, Eric, that you entire homepage"

            Who proofread your grammar?
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      • Author by DellDolly (November 14, 2009 11:45 pm ET)
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        Most bills are a lot longer than a layman would think. Most laymen don't understand why bills have all the language they have, or how many pages have a small amount of typing on them.

        And the rightwing liars take advantage of that lack of knowledge.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (November 15, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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        What other numerical thing are they going to get crazy about?

        It's nothing new; fudging numbers is one of the keystone traits of the far right. "2,000,000 people at D.C. Protest" says it plainly enough. And let's not forget the tiny majority that G.W. was "reelected" by in 2004--to the right-wingers, it meant a mandate!

        Facts have a liberal bias, and so does real math.
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    • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 14, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
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      Also telling is the fact that Steyn mocks the AP for only finding sex errors,


      Might want to correct that, Eric, you naughty boy.

      This is a very good example of the type of thinking the right wing media appeals to. I'm guessing that most people were not surprised by Boehlert's analysis, it's stating the obvious.

      To the audience that Steyn is courting, this is an example of overkill, and persecution of Sarah of the North.
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    • Author by DAWUSS (November 14, 2009 12:43 pm ET)
         
      I'm waiting for Media Matters to fact-check said book
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      • Author by all your eyes (November 14, 2009 1:10 pm ET)
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        I have a feeling six "errors" is merely the tip of the iceberg. AP and other MSM outfits have a way of latching onto some things, and missing the larger point.
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    • Author by steeve (November 14, 2009 12:51 pm ET)
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      Still, either the AP sucks at fact-checking or the book only contains six assertions of fact. Palin is like Bush -- minimum one lie per paragraph if advocating for something.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 14, 2009 1:09 pm ET)
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        I'd guess that the person who wrote the book for Palin was careful to allow wiggle room, avoiding things that are objectively false. One can do so much with innuendo and misguided opinions that outright lying isn't necessary.

        You're probably close in thinking that there are only six assertions of fact. Contrary to Boss Hogg's praising of the book as full of "substantive policy", I wouldn't be shocked to find that it's five chapters of feel-good platitudes and empty-headed babbling, if her past interviews and speeches are any clue.

        Maybe I should pick up a copy when it gets down to a dollar and see for myself. I'll need to wait a week or two.
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        • Author by Oliver North (November 14, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
             
          How many writers did the AP put on fact checking Obama's health care plan? How about his claims for "jobs saved or created?"

          Eleven writers to find that what they call errors mostly agreee with what Palin said.
          For example, the first "error" was about being frugal with hotel rooms with Palin saying she stayed in inexpensive hotels "most of the time." What did AP find? One instance where she stayed at an expensive hotel in NYC. So your argument is that one qualifies as "often?"
          Speaking of one, would you hold The One to the same factual standards?
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        • Author by beatnikbob (November 15, 2009 4:29 am ET)
             
          I guess if you order any right wing magazine, they'll give you a copy of Palin's book as a premium. There will be a truckload of these being unloaded soon. Read or unread, I don't think people are going to keep it on their shelves.
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      • Author by loonz (November 14, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
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        If the book is mostly opinion, then there's nothing really to fact check. She's entitled to her opinion.
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        • Author by JohnMarshall (November 14, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
             
          The Fact Checkers write:

          Begin quotation:

          PALIN: Says Obama has admitted that the climate change policy he seeks will cause people's electricity bills to "skyrocket."

          THE FACTS: She correctly quotes a comment attributed to Obama in January 2008, when he told San Francisco Chronicle editors that under his cap-and-trade climate proposal, "electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket" as utilities are forced to retrofit coal burning power plants to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

          Obama has argued since then that climate legislation can blunt the cost to consumers. Democratic legislation now before Congress calls for a variety of measures aimed at mitigating consumer costs. Several studies predict average household costs probably would be $100 to $145 a year.

          End Quotation.

          These fact-checkers are a fraud. If Obama said, as the fact-checkers admit, that "the climate change policy will cause people's electricity bills to 'skyrocket'" then Palin's statement is accurate. The fact that Obama made the statement is important and indicates his attitude which is a willingness, maybe even pride, in sticking it to coal producers and users.

          The so-called "fact-checkers" attempt to rebut Palin by changing the topic to legislation. Did Obama submit that legislation? If not, then the "fact-checkers" remark is irrelevant to Palin's claim. Even if Obama submitted the legislation then the "fact-checckers" overlook the political importance of the ATTITUDE expressed in his earlier remark to the "San Francisco Chronicle editors that under his cap-and-trade climate proposal, "electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket."'

          These so-called "fact-checkers" stand refuted and trivially so. They are just more Left-Wing, lying trash.
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        • Author by DAWUSS (November 14, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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          Opinions should be based in fact.


          Besides, misinformation is misinformation.
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          • Author by manbearpig (November 14, 2009 3:39 pm ET)
               
            "Besides, misinformation is misinformation"

            - Interesting comment. Could you please supply the facts you used to support this statement.
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          • Author by loonz (November 14, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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            Right now I'm arguing with right-wingers over at Huffpost on the terror trials being held in New York. One guy said that Obama was doing it to distract from the "problems" he's having with his agenda. I said he's trying to restore the rule of law. Who's right?
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        • Author by clams casino (November 14, 2009 3:17 pm ET)
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          Really? Someone who's never heard the phrase, "You're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts"?
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 14, 2009 3:50 pm ET)
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            I think there's an imagined disagreement here. OPinions based on faulty facts should be called out, but if Palin has done what a lot of media commentators do, she's safe. That is, begin every thought with "I believe...", "It's my opinion...", or put the BS in question form; "Is Obama deliberately trying to destroy the country? I don't know."

            The propagandists have gotten a little better at the CYA moves since more people started keeping an eye on them.
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        • Author by New Frontier (November 14, 2009 4:39 pm ET)
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          If the book is mostly opinion, then there's nothing really to fact check.

          Obviously Palin heeded your advice when she wrote her "opinions" in her book.
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          • Author by SMTDL (November 15, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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            So saying in the book that Obama did pal around with terrorists based on an inaccurate reading of a NY Times article is what?A bad opinion based on lack of cognition? I'll use deliberate lie to desribe it which she does very often.Clinging to an opinion when facts and several people have refuted or debunked it based on facts shows immaturity and hypocrisy.She was criticized for dirty rhetoric and should be ashamed after her whining about everything!!When she whipped up crowds that to use racial slurs and shout "kill him" she said absolutely nothing!!!She has no substance or ethics.
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            • Author by Cheney2012 (November 16, 2009 12:00 am ET)
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              "So saying in the book that Obama did pal around with terrorists"

              That would be the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!
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              • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 7:00 am ET)
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                That really is the dumbest talking point ever. There were Republicans that associated with Ayers as well. Like it or not, he was mainstreamed into society, so talking about how Obama was "palling around" with a terrorist is utterly ridiculous.
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              • Author by phredicles (November 16, 2009 10:13 am ET)
                   
                Don't you have an old man to shoot in the face or something?
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              • Author by SMTDL (November 16, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
                   
                No that's a lie but Mcain did pal around with his longtime buddy terrorist G Gordon Liddy!!!Not much ever discussed about that old connection during the campaign was it?
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    • Author by Diosnomeama (November 14, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
         
      "Sex errors"? Somebody's got something else on their mind apparently.
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    • Author by pietheyn (November 14, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
         

      Should be 0,545 errors per writer, if 11 of them find 6 errors. Still curious as to what those errors are though...
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    • Author by rthornton (November 14, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
         
      Steyn knows well how a newsroom works. Apparently, Media Matters can't figure out how humor works. Steyn's comments are consistent with his tongue-in-cheek, sarcastic and, always with a grain of truth writing that the left hates.

      This snarky post by Mr. Boehlert just reinforces Steyn's imagery of a dozen bed-wetting, hand wringing and dying for a "gotcha moment" lefty "journalists" at the AP poring over Palin's book salivating over being the one who finds a whopper.

      Don't give me this pragmatic allocation of resources to expedite the fact check nonsense. Everyone at AP and at Media Matters knows that the fact checking eagerness and speed of its completion is unique to the Palin book.

      The fact that Media Matters has already fact checked Steyn's comments about AP's fact checking of the book is comical to the average person and the blind here can't see how ridiculous it appears,
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    • Author by Wonder (November 14, 2009 2:15 pm ET)
         
      I wonder how many AP staff fact checked Obama's books and or speeches?
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    • Author by JohnMarshall (November 14, 2009 2:39 pm ET)
         
      Are your honest? You have not posted my comment. My comment is a scathing critique of the fact-checkers. Its logic is impeccable. Are you afraid to publish it? Please explain.
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    • Author by MickD (November 14, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
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      The AP has proven time and time again (through MMFA research) that their narrative is favorable to the right. So with Steyn getting all huffy about the AP's hard-hitting investigation methinks is going to get him a trip to the woodshed.
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      • Author by maryd (November 15, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
           
        Did no one notice that mathematically six errors and 11 fact checkers is less than one error per fact checker? It's only a little over 50% of an error. Steyn needs to go back to fifth grade.
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    • Author by dcalfine (November 14, 2009 3:47 pm ET)
         
      You might yet win some sort of award for jejune nerdiness. Steyn's point is spot-on about the fact that even the "errors" you found are not errors, but rather overreaching stretches to justify an effort that is rather less important than other errors that enter the public discourse without your discovery. For example, you could be checking John Kerry's incorrect statement that CO2 release in this decade is higher tan it was in the last decade. Did you?
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    • Author by mdholt (November 15, 2009 4:46 pm ET)
         
      Fact checking Media Matters: it's 1.83333 writers per error, not 1.83333 errors per writer. Six errors for eleven writers is 0.5455 errors per writer.
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      • Author by Brabantio (November 16, 2009 7:08 am ET)
           
        Isn't Palin still part of the dialogue? People aren't worried about her running again, but she's still out there. Why shouldn't they fact-check her book as quickly as possible?

        Why is it "the politics of personal destruction" to point out Palin's lies?
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        • Author by SMTDL (November 16, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
             
          Hey Brabantino.....good question...of course you are right ..using facts to challenge Palin lies is what fair and balanced really means!!
          Fox News and their fans might learn that one day!!
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