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The Fox Nation asks: "Are We Watching a Failed Presidency?"

November 20, 2009 10:41 am ET by MMFA Staff

From The Fox Nation, accessed on November 20:

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    • Author by raynfala (November 20, 2009 10:43 am ET)
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      No.
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    • Author by pilotshark (November 20, 2009 10:46 am ET)
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      Yes for all you doom and groomers nay says and ones who hope america fails.

      but for us Americans no we are not seeing a failed presidency. Nut thanks for asking.
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    • Author by bilbo_dies (November 20, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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      Are they talking about Bussh 2?
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      • Author by hoosier (November 20, 2009 11:16 am ET)
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        Steadily declining approval ratings in the polls, and now he's tipping his hand that we could likely be falling back into another economic dip. More and more people are blaming Democrats for the horrible jobs situation, and Obama is losing credibility per those same polls on nearly every topic of importance.

        Fox asks a fair question- one that every responsible news organization should be asking as well. The fact that Fox asks it shouldn't concern anyone if they disagree and are confident in why they disagree.
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        • Author by miles2go (November 20, 2009 11:24 am ET)
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          hey at least he made it through 8 months of his presidnecy without allowing the largest terrorist attack in our history! Bush presidency=EPIC FAIL!
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        • Author by all your eyes (November 20, 2009 12:04 pm ET)
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          The worst thing that could happen to this country would be for Republicans to win in 2010. They would be rewarded for their outrageous behavior over the last year, and the ensuing gridlock in Washington would guarantee a prolonged economic malaise. This presidency is not failing, but it could, if the voters don't recognize the disaster that was (and could again be) Republican control (and obstruction) of national policy.

          It is worth noting the distinct differences between the current political landscape, and that of 1993. First of all, the Republican party polls about 20 points lower than it did at this time in 1993. In that way, this season more closely resembles the midterms of 1934 than 1994. Also, in 1992, Clinton drew about 42% of a smaller, whiter electorate. Obama drew a solid majority of a larger, more diverse electorate. His political strength is much deeper than Clinton's. Also, there was a wave of Democratic retirements in 1994. That is not the case today.

          The Democrats will probably lose some of their new conservative members in the House. They may gain some progressives through primary challenges though. The Republicans will pick up seats in the House, but I doubt they can recover as fully as they did in 1994. The scenario is just not as favorable to them as it was then.

          And Obama is a cinch in 2012, save for an extraordinary external event that none of us wants to imagine. The Republicans don't have a candidate who can compete with him. Period.
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        • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (November 20, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
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          HOOSIER, FOX'S qoestions are never fair. they are always tilted to the CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN point of view.
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        • Author by RedChocobo (November 20, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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          His approval ratings are declining because people have unrealistic expectations of him. Democrats expect that he should be moving faster and not trying so hard to gain support from the Republicans and the Republicans hate him simply because he's Obama. If he came out and said he was switching parties, they would still hate him.

          I realize that Dubya had a terrorist attack and a war under his belt by this point in his presidency, but I really think that people need to lay off Obama until he's had some more opportunity. It's not like he has a magic wand that can fix everything.
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        • Author by steeve (November 20, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
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          "Fox asks a fair question"

          But they didn't ask that fair question four years ago. So strange.

          And of course the question isn't fair now because when you inherit a broken country, you get free mulligans for life. Anyone who doesn't like that rule should avoid breaking the country when they have power.

          The reason you get free mulligans for life is because it's a two party system, and you should never, ever, restore powers to the boobs who broke everything to begin with. No matter what.

          (And of course all of Obama's failures are for being insufficiently liberal.)
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        • Author by New Frontier (November 20, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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          Fox asks a fair question

          It's a leading question that Fox Nation has obviously already answered for itself, as have the fans of Fox Nation. It's what they want to see. They "want him to fail". "Are we watching a very successful Presidency?" would be just as leading a question, but, off course, you'd never see anything like that on Fox Nation.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 20, 2009 5:11 pm ET)
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            Not to mention the absurdity of calling a presidency "failed" less than a year into a four year term.

            But it's nice of the wingnuts to volunteer, showing up and posting here to prove that Fox is able to fool some Americans into thinking that their idiotic questions are "fair".
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        • Author by Horkstowe (November 21, 2009 4:55 pm ET)
             
          Fox asks a fair question- one that every responsible news organization should be asking as well.
          "Spider-Obama - Threat or Menace?"
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    • Author by TX (November 20, 2009 10:48 am ET)
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      A complete failure! And we have 3 more years to go still.
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      • Author by all your eyes (November 20, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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        7 years. 7 years of progress. As long as the nation is smart enough to keep the repugnants away from power for long enough to allow real policy-making to take hold. We have a huge mess thanks to their malfeasance. It will take longer than 10 months to clean it up. Hopefully the voters are smart enough to understand that. At least, those voters whose minds haven't been poisoned by Fox News.
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      • Author by mattcable250650 (November 20, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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        Hopefully, President Obama will have enough of the Republicans' mess cleaned up by 2012, that he'll be re-elected in a walk. What progressives have to do is to make our collective voice loud enough to drown out the teabaggers and their insane, nutcase, screaming and yelling.
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        • Author by phredicles (November 20, 2009 12:49 pm ET)
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          If the Republicans are dumb enough to run Palin against him, he'll win in a walk even if things are going badly.
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    • Author by Diosnomeama (November 20, 2009 10:52 am ET)
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      It hasn't been anywhere close to perfect, but I'll take what we have now over the last 8 years. However, if Obama doesn't stick to his campaign promises:close Guantanamo, leave Iraq, gay rights, etc, then my opinion will definitely be much more pessimistic.
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    • Author by pete592 (November 20, 2009 10:57 am ET)
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      No.
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    • Author by MeanMrSpicyMustard (November 20, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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      What's with that picture? Was Morpheus training Obama on fighting within the Matrix? "COME ON! STOP TRYING TO HIT ME AND HIT ME!"
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    • Author by MrPlow99 (November 20, 2009 11:18 am ET)
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      I love the picture...

      Oh no! He's trying to do a terrorist fist bump! Run away!
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    • Author by shaggles (November 20, 2009 11:20 am ET)
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      Hilarious.
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    • Author by cmiller442 (November 20, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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      I'm sure that this is what Fox Nation wants us to believe since the entire premise of their existence has been to discredit the President from the moment he took office.

      I think the president is doing an OK job considering what he had on his plate from his first day in the big chair.

      Our culture is too ingrained on the idea of instant gratification that we somehow expect one man to solve all the country's ills before dinner.
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    • Author by worrierking (November 20, 2009 12:22 pm ET)
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      "Are We Watching a Failed Presidency?".

      Only if we're becoming a failed state.

      Thankfully, most people's opinions are outside the bubble created by Murdock and Limbaugh.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 20, 2009 2:12 pm ET)
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        We're still seeing the effects of a failed presidency, and we're seeing the party that supported that failure trying to obstruct all attempts to remedy that failure.

        The Fox Fans had a very good opportunity, for eight years, to watch a failed presidency. It was hard for them to see it, what with the saran wrap, duct tape and little American flags obstructing their view.
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    • Author by goesto11 (November 20, 2009 12:27 pm ET)
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      Geez, yet another chyron error on Fox.

      They meant to write: "Are We Doing Everything we Can to Ensure a Failed Presidency?"
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    • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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      I decided to go over to FoxNation and try to post. Okay, I suppose from their point of view, I am a troll. Ah well. I have been known to challenge views and I have scoffed at the general tone of the postings. What surprises me is that most of the posts are short, and they are rarely grounded in facts or references. They are little more than cheap shots and wise cracks. It really is a lowest common denominator website. (It is better than some of the most extreme because there is an attempt at civility and credence.) These are the people you hear grousing whether at work or in line at the grocery store and you wonder how they could be so ill-informed or uneducated or just plain dumb. Hopefully, they don't describe anybody you know or like (but I had a friend whose husband would be one of them. I pitied her.)
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 20, 2009 2:16 pm ET)
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        Hi epk, I go to the comments sections at the right wing sites, and it is pretty impressive. So many of the comments are just one-line slogans about socialism or imagined disasters. A lot of them just seem to be random words scattered around one trigger word like "Freedom" or "Pelosi".
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        • Author by pointofview (November 20, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
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          Hi epk, I go to the comments sections at the left wing sites, and it is pretty impressive. So many of the comments are just one-line slogans about fake job creations or imagined effects of the failed bailout disasters. A lot of them just seem to be random words scattered around one trigger slogan word like "Yes we can" or "Yes we did".
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          • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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            Hey, I admit it, on FoxNation, I am quite sure I am viewed as a troll. Here's a mirror. I see a bridge and some goat droppings.
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          • Author by political_left-religious_right (November 21, 2009 2:48 pm ET)
               
            That's what happens when pointless tries to be funny. He looks even more like a dunce.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 3:01 pm ET)
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          Yes, this is what I have seen, but I was trying to be nice. These are real people and many of them are frightened, genuinely frightened, and they are venting their fears and anger. I was sitting in my cubical the other day, and this older woman in my office was going off about how great Ron Paul's ideas are about building a fence around the country and cutting all outside ties. She was also expounding the virtues of Glenn Beck and "Arguing With Idiots" which she bought to "tick off someone at the checkout counter." She has also recently said that she thinks Obama is the anti-Christ and that she prays every night that the U.S. will not end. Several of my colleagues agree when she spouts this stuff. I, on the other hand, really have to bite my tongue because I am a liberal and any attempt to challenge these ideas has been met with anger and reminders that government employees are not allowed to discuss politics.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 20, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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            Yeah, I live in a pretty conservative area, with a lot of what I call "default Republicans". These are people who don't really follow politics or the news, they just absorb what comes their way through right wing emails or gossip.

            There are people who get very limited information, and they seem very sure of themselves as they repeat whatever they've heard.

            Look at Pointy's comment above. He didn't like what I wrote about the wingnut sites, so he did an "I'm rubber, you're glue" reflexive response, made up of nothing but his fantasies, and his inability to come up with an original thought.

            These people are the perfect blank slates for right wing propaganda.
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            • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 4:20 pm ET)
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              Gee, we could be neighbors. So many of the people around me are just that, "default Republicans". The only thing that cheers me is that when I drive around, I see lots of Obama and even Kerry stickers on vehicles. I really do worry about these "blank slate" people being suckered into something that could cause real harm. Most of the German people were not evil, most of them didn't really want to ethnically cleanse Germany, but they helped the Nazis come to power because they didn't understand they meant what they said, and then they stood by and watched the Jews being taken away in fear for themselves and disbelief that it was happening here. It is very easy to end up being a Good German. It could happen to anyone.
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (November 20, 2009 5:05 pm ET)
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                I'm in Orange County, CA, about halfway between the Richard Nixon Library and Orly Taitz law firm / cosmetic dentistry office.

                A lot of Republicans here consider themselves fiscal conservatives ( Proposition 13 disciples, or their offspring), and I've talked to many of them who were very turned off by Palin as the VP pick.

                There are also a lot of members of the far right Christian cult here, they went for Palin in much greater numbers.

                Regardless of the candidates, a good number of people I've met vote Republican because their parents did, or their friends do. I'm sure this happens in largely Democratic areas as well, but I'm just reporting what I see around me; People who aren't really very interested in politics, but vote GOP instinctively.
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                • Author by epkklk851 (November 20, 2009 6:59 pm ET)
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                  I used to live in the high desert in San Bernardino County. Now, I live in Virginia. I miss the West coast. Having taught goverment, I can tell that your assessment that political affiliation is hereditary is accurate. You have occasional deviations like me, but most of us follow our parents or local trends. My father is an Independent/leans right. My mother was a registered Democrat, but usually voted Republican. I was arguing Democratic positions with my parents from the age of 10. I was a cheeky kid.
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