Sarah Palin: Going Birther
December 04, 2009 10:44 am ET by Simon Maloy
One of the few legitimate grievances Sarah Palin had regarding the way she was treated during the 2008 presidential campaign centered on the ludicrous questions about her son Trig's birth. There was never any real reason to question whether she was, indeed, Trig's mother, and the few online media types who flogged the bogus story line certainly didn't do themselves any credit.
That said, you'd think Palin would be particularly sensitive and careful regarding questions of birth and parentage. Alas, no ...
As Salon's Alex Koppelman detailed, the former Alaska governor appeared on a conservative radio program on Thursday and was asked if she would "make [Obama's] birth certificate an issue" should she run for president. Palin said that "the public, rightfully, is still making it an issue," and that "it's a fair question" to wonder whether the president was born in the United States. She went on to denounce, once again, the "weird conspiracy theory freaky thing that people talk about, that Trig isn't my real son," but then counseled that "maybe we should reverse that and use the same type of thinking on [Obama]."
There are lots of things to unpack here, so let's get to it.
Lying: President Obama's birthplace and nationality have been established beyond any credible doubt -- he was born in Hawaii, in 1961, and is and always has been an American citizen. It is not a "fair question" to suggest otherwise.
Hypocrisy: What little credibility her attacks on the media had were based largely on the poor treatment she received from isolated quarters of the blogosphere regarding the birth of her son. For her to continue to complain about that while simultaneously questioning the president's birth, and suggesting that she would be justified in doing so, is hypocritical and disgusting beyond anything I thought Palin capable of. And let's not forget that when Palin's family first became an issue in the press shortly after McCain tapped her, Obama came to her defense: "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."
Political stupidity: If Palin does, indeed, have political ambitions, then she's doing everything she possibly can to scuttle them by embracing Birtherism. There's a reason that national-level elected Republicans don't (for the most part) wade into the Birther swamp -- because the issue is so radioactively crazy that it would be political suicide to do so. If news reports are to be believed, Lou Dobbs was dropped by CNN because he indulged his Birther curiosities. It was hardly the first crazy thing Dobbs did while at CNN, but it was that special kind of crazy that made CNN say "enough." In short, anyone who has the Birther stain is not going to be a success in the political mainstream.
But let's not lose sight of the fact that the only reason we're talking about this at all is because John McCain selected Sarah Palin to be the next vice president of the United States. Perhaps David Gregory can ask the Arizona senator his thoughts on Palin's Birther tendencies on this Sunday's Meet the Press.

















Except for rabid right-wing idiots, apparently, who are not beholden to any concept of objective reality whatsoever.
you can't have it both ways bucko.
And also logically, when you consider the behavior of right-wingers towards the left in general, it's patently absurd to believe that they would refrain from such an opportunity based on skin color. They're going to make idiotic criticisms of Al Gore "inventing" the internet, but if some relative said he was born in Canada, those same people wouldn't jump all over that without hesitation?
The accusations have no basis, but there was an opportunity presented for them to be made, while that same opportunity was never there for others.
I agree that it's worse for Obama because of racists and the racial aspect of this case. But if you try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who deeply hates Obama for purely partisan reasons, would you really not harp on this nonsense because it involved Kenya? I can't see that person restraining themselves for that reason (I will add that the post-COLB effort to claim that Obama wasn't eligible to be President even if he was born in Hawaii made all the people who brought up Kenya look like racists, because it's hard to explain why they kept bringing it up if it wasn't relevant).
The alternate possibility is there, so it's impossible to reach the conclusion that one possibility must be true for everyone.
president96southern: Your ignorant, racist xenophobia makes me wanna puke.
Most Presidents and Presidential candidates do not release their school records for that matter, so that really doesn't mean anything - just more right-wing whining.
when the question of mccain's eligibility came up. Obama and Clinton slammed the door on it fast with a congressional resolution.
nice to see the favor being returned
Never said EITHER was legitimate. Just saying it is NOT hypocrisy
First of all what media outside of CONSERVATIVE/REPUBLICAN columnist Andrew Sullivan ever called Trig's birth into question? The blogosphere is not the MSM, so let's dismiss that at the outset.
She thought questions about Trig's birth were beyond the pale, but questioning Obama's birth by wingnuts isn't? That's called hypocrisy.
And you choose to forget that Obama's birth has been officially confirmed by the State of Hawaii. That's Offiical!!!!
To gain a passport, you only need what Obama has already provided as proof. He also could not have gained a top level security clearance. But then again, most wignuts never leave their state --let alone the country so passports and birth certificates are like Greek to them. They're also racist, since no POTUS has ever had to produce a birth certificate in the past.
P.S.
Privileged G.W. never travelled abroad even though he had the resources to do so as a young. That's not a sign of patriotism, it's a sign of willful ignorance about the world in which we live.
Trig was born in April of 2008, yet pictures taken of Palin in February and March of that year show no maternity bump. This seems very unusual in a woman as thin as Sarah Palin.
When Trig's due date was near, Sarah Palin made a trip to Texas to deliver a speech. She said that her water broke just before she was supposed to go on stage, so she went ahead with the speech, got back to the airport, flew from Texas to Alaska, drove for two or three hours to get to Wasilla, and finally gave birth at her local hospital. Doesn't that seem to be a long time to go AFTER HER WATER BROKE before delivery, including a long airplane flight? Why didn't she give birth in Texas?
Unless it was actually Bristol's baby. Which is why that rumor was going around Alaska for so long...
You notice that during the campaign, she managed to hide her medical records, right up until election night.
Meanwhile Oabama and McPain made theirs available(tho'grandpa took great pains to be secretive).
Could it be because she knew that it would show that she had not recently given birth?One has to wonder...and she's such a LIAR!
What we are talking about is an muslim alien born in kenya that is now the president of the United States
No, stupid. We're talking about a half-black, Christian, natural-born US citizen born in Honolulu, HI in 1961 who is now our President.
Get with the program, you birther moron.
Thank you.
Next: "Questions Being Asked about Palin 'Sand N!@@#rs' Comment" by Keth, Rachel, Thom Hartmann, and Ed Schultz. They'd "just be asking questions," Fox News-style, after all!
Oh, how I wish this reverse-Fox-News fantasy scenario would play out in real life...
Presumably, you meant "show," or "produce," after "should."
And the answer, whether you like it or not, is that it has been produced and verified by those with the power to do so. In other words, you have no legitimate ground for doubting it. Anyone who is still pushing the birther idea is, frankly, an idiot.
Simple, right?
"Simple" is a fairly apt adjective for you, yes.
[mock those who are worried about] ?
[associate political rivals with those who are worried about]?
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Either of those work for me! You got any?
Obama should DRIVE the birth certificate!
And, in a way, you are correct. It is Obama's problem that crazy people continue to push this wacko theory, about where he was born, based soley on the fact that their guy didn't win the election. Because you know, if he hadn't won the election, it wouldn't be an issue.
FACT: Obama was born in the United States.
FACT: John McCain was born in the country of Panama.
Birthers question Obama's legitimacy but not McCain's? Anybody who says Obama's skin color has nothing to do with it is an idiot. The birther movement is born of racism plain and simple.
As for President Obama, he can only authorize the government of Hawaii to allow an entity with a legitimate reason to view his original long form birth certificate, and the general public does not have a legitimate reason to see it. I suspect he, like most Americans, does not have a copy of his long form. Even if he does, though, there is no reason for anyone to see it except on official government business - except those who cannot accept the outcome of the last presidential election, and those who have to see a conspiracy around every dust mote.
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Not surprised to find you lacking, Dick.
Sarah, start by asking Lou Dobbs, he's the go-to guy for lunacy.
Uh, yeah. The 4 or 5 clear thinking Republicans (redundant) who surf this site all believe you mari. Especially since you bought into the leftist’s lies about Palin supposedly saying she could see Russia from her window. And your comments about Republicans being racists when it's well known and provable it's the democrats who have held back minorities (aka as slavery) for decades confirms you are no Republican. Our disagreements with Obama's policy decisions have nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with him running the Country as if it's Chicago with all of its corruption and thugary. At the rate Obama's going, after 4 years our beloved Republic may well be past tense. Not to mention completely broke. By then he will have saddled all of us with at least $50,000.00 in debt for every man, woman, and child in America!
We don't want you elitist stereotyping bigots in our GOP. Run, don't walk, to re-register as a Democrat (as if you need to, you obvious Liberal wienie).
"Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask... which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States."
The letter following her name is irrelevant.
Let's not even mention her attack on Levi. I don't think she wants to go down the mud slinging road because once the facts ar broken down all the people who have been defending her will have no leg to stand on and if Levi says something the media will listen. There's always a fire in Palin smoke.
Unfortunately, in her radio interview she still admits that attacking Obama on other non-issues such as his associations would be considered acceptable and should've been stepped up even beyond the attacks that took place during the campaign. My question is this, at what point should a politician or partisan pundit stop talking about "Stupid Conspiracies" and accept that they have been debunked or talked to death?
Straightforwardly, Obama came out and stated that the issue regarding Palin's children is off-limits. What has Sarah done?
A final point which I think is an ultimate 'fail' by Palin, Time and again Palin and other conservative commentators have been fervently outraged by the attacks on Sarah Palin, and now suddenly she posts on Facebook that when the left-wing badgered her they had every right to. First she complains about the attacks and now they are acceptable. What are we to believe?
The point is to get it out there, but with deniability.
I actually didn't think she was clever enough to do that.
Then why does Palin say, "it's a fair question" to wonder whether the president was born in the United States? Was she against it before she was for it? Does she even know what her own position is??
"Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose"
Like the questions asked of the "CHICKEN HAWKS" who used every deferment (excuses)to avoid serving this country, until the baloon heads put them in office!
Then they suddenly became "Commanders in Chief'??
FOOLS will always try to make excuses in order to think/act like fools.
Your handle fits, and the fact that you'd want THE DICK in office in 2012 says more about you than you may have wanted to share!.
"Cheney2012 is a moronic buffoon."
"Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I've pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask..."'
Unless, of course, if it is "gotcha" questions about what newspapers Ms. Palin may have read. Then it is unfair.
That sentence is cause enough to celebrate! Let's hope you are correct. This woman is doing a lot of things that make a legitimate candidacy less plausible on a daily basis. She is also now charging for pictures with her to raise money. I thought that was something that seedy has-been atheletes did to raise legal fees. But she should really take her own advice, if it is "'weird conspiracy theory freaky thing that people talk about, that Trig isn't my real son,'" then she shouldn't go there, it is just tacky. I never paid any attention to those rumors, and only became aware of them because she brought them up. I had not heard them in the mainstream media. Families, especially children, should be off-limits for political potshots.
Substitute "politicians" for "atheletes."
Cheney,
This is something I totally agree with you on. Then why is Palin still saying that the allegations against Obama are 'legitimate'?
I wish people like her and other right-wing talking heads would just come out and say how ridiculous such allegations are so that everybody can go on to bigger issues. When popular conservative voices allow for such "Stupid Conspiracies" to continue and give the nutjobs that spew such conspiracies a voice on their TV and radio shows only further supports such nutiness.
Exactly, Dick. That's the whole point of the article. Do you feel even a little bit stupid that it took you this long to figure that out?
Exactly, Dick. That's the whole point of the article. Do you feel even a little bit stupid that it took you this long to figure that out?
Yes, but; Liddy is a true blue american patriot.
I know because someone told me so.
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Excellent point. Also, one that should be repeated often whenever the preposterous notion of a left-wing media comes up.
Does anyone doubt that there would be a monumental difference in the way the right-wing would react if their nominee got the votes and lost the presidential election in court? Can you imagine the reaction? How about if there was a terrorist attack today during Obama's presidency? Remember how everyone got behind G-Dub after that? Does anyone actually think the right-wing would support Obama after such an attack?
That's the difference between the two parties today, and a big reason why I left the Republican party. They have chosen partisanship over true patriotism. They have chosen party over country. There is no level of shamelessness so low that they will not go there if led there by their entertainers disguised as political leaders. Truly sad and pathetic.
Hate radio and Fox would be in 24/7 "I told you Obama was weak on terrur" mode.
as for President Obama..he proved it, he showed his birth certificate, documents show in local newspapers his birth in Hawaii.
So the real question is who is firing this up. Well its racist right wingers who can't stand a liberal & who don't know any better. any negative attention on the President is what the right wing loves, whether its the truth or not.
Conservatives aren't interested in the truth.
We learned early on that its about framing the conversation (thomas frank: what's the matter with kansas) yet we continue to fall into their traps.
Now its the stupid stolen and pasted together emails from the climate dudes in England. There is NO END to the damage the righties want to do to Obama and this country and we all need to remember that almost everything they say is either a lie or serious manipulation of the truth and that at least 15 MILLION americans believe them
What was it like when you were a kid, riding to school on that little bus??
Besides, does anyone remember the RWTP when Arnold was running for Governator of Kahlifoania, and they all wanted him to run for President?
Buy a new talking point, you're embarrassing yourself.
And he has the cojones to complain about Obama's lack of intelligence? I'd ask you to produce your birth certificate, president96KKK, but it would be more interesting to produce your last report card instead...
Because Sarah doesn't want to accept the fact or truth, she keeps the lie alive for political reasons only, believing it will hurt the President in some way.
This is the same nonsense the misguided Tea Baggers and the mentally-challenged Birthers engages in (stupidity). Not only is Sarah unqualified to run for the Oval office, she seems to be unstable (you know, do and say anything).
As a Republican candidate Sarah was a divisive figure willing to call her opponent "someone who pals around with "terrorist" (that is a terrible thing to say).
In other words, Sarah will say anything to win. If that wasn't enough she quit her job as Governor of Alaska. How can anyone take Sarah serious, and how could anyone, including the media, think she should run for anything other than a soup kitchen?
The question is why in the hell did John McCain pick this hussy in the first place? Was he thinking "country first" or was he using Sarah as a ploy hoping Obama would attack her knowing this would offend white people (black man attacking white woman)? This could be the ONLY logical reason (cynical) why John McCain picked this woman.
Well McCain, it backfired, because Obama knew better than to attack a white woman in America politics.
Now you have a black President and your VP choice will stay in the limelight and haunt you for a long time.
Sarah was qualified to be mayor of Wasilla, that's it.
This is the highest profile party member you've got out there making news. Doesn't she just make you beam with pride at her reasoned, in-depth, and articulate advocacy of the ideals and principles of the party?
Sarah, the gift that keeps on giving.
I want then to think of Caribou Barbie.
The problem is, I don't understand what Palin is trying to do. She quit her constituents in Alaska based on idiotic reasoning, and had a chance to go get educated on the issues that she obviously had no clue on during the race. She ignored that possibility and is conducting a schizophrenic tour of the nation which is further demonstrating her ineptitude and her inability to hold any position that involves responsibility.
I'm no birther but it is interesting that the service member who went to court over it was not required to deploy because the US Military couldnt prove Him as US born.
Mr. Maloy, you really need to educate yourself regarding Sarah's faked pregnancy. You've really discredited yourself and the whole Media Matters organization.
Please go to this website www.palindeception.com
We fear for our country if an unqualified imbecile even dumber than George W. Bush gets into the White House.
And when it comes to hate-filled groups, you righties are the ones who have cornered the market in hate.
In case you missed it we already have an unqualified imbecile in the White House. For example Obama has no private sector experience and has surrounded himself with same. 92% of his cabinet / aides have no experience in actually working for a living. Like Obama, they have spent their entire adult life sucking on the teats of Government. This is why unemployment is over 10% (after Obama promised it wouldn't exceed 8% if he could have our almost $trillion in stimulus money!). He and his staff don't have a clue on how to stimulate job growth. This is why they must lie about how many jobs they have created or "saved".
BTW: Bush was and is MUCH smarter then Gore, Kerry, and even Obama. He was smart enough to stop terrorism for over 7 years protecting you and yours - the most important issue facing our Country. Nothing else matters if we aren't safe on our own soil.