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BREAKING: Glenn Beck's climate czar called for quarantining AIDS patients "for life"

December 11, 2009 5:14 pm ET by Jeremy Schulman

Media Matters Action Network, our partner organization, has unearthed a 1987 American Spectator article (available here) in which Lord Christopher Monckton -- one of the right's favorite global warming deniers -- advocates requiring the entire population to undergo monthly HIV tests and forcibly quarantining "for life" those who test positive.

You would think that such views would have made Monckton a marginal figure. But apparently there are no views too extreme for the right-wing media.

On October 23, for instance, Glenn Beck said on his Fox News show that Monckton is "one of the world's foremost authorities on what the global warming hoax is really all about and what they are about to sign over in Copenhagen."

Monckton appeared as a guest throughout Beck's October 30 Fox show. Beck introduced Monckton by saying: "With me now, Lord Christopher Monckton, former adviser to British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher and climate change expert."

On October 19, Rush Limbaugh described Monckton as "a voice of sanity," saying, "The hysteria on the left on virtually everything is all over the place. So you got to hear a voice of sanity in this. Last Wednesday, St. Paul, Minnesota, during a presentation at Bethel University, a portion of remarks made by Lord Christopher Monckton regarding the United Nations' climate change treaty."

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    • Author by Bad News (December 11, 2009 5:29 pm ET)
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      Glenn Beck "Journalism's Train Wreak"


      Mr. News
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      • Author by Bad News (December 11, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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        Glenn Beck, Would you please Restore Abraham Lincoln's Honor?
        "Abraham Lincoln Was A Horrible Public Speaker" Umm Glenn, who gave you this Quote, Jeffrey Dahmer?
        I always assumed that you were not a Fool but you just Played one on TV.
        Now it seems that Dementia may have kicked in & you have lost all since of Reality.

        Speak truth to power.


        Mr. News
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    • Author by wzwriter (December 11, 2009 5:34 pm ET)
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      On October 19, Rush Limbaugh described Monckton as "a voice of sanity"...

      If this is what passes for sanity among conservatives, I'm even MORE proud than usual to call myself a liberal.
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    • Author by Samurai Cowboy (December 11, 2009 5:49 pm ET)
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      Glenn Beck is deranged, delusional, is a Paranoid Schizophrenic, suffers from an acute case of ADHD, and is Clinically Psychotic. . Someone needs to be brave enough to get a judge to declare him mentally incompetent and insane so that he can be put away for treatment.
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      • Author by latichever (December 11, 2009 6:50 pm ET)
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        Please don't insult paranoid schizophrenics and people with ADHD.
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      • Author by Black_Cat_Bone (December 12, 2009 12:32 am ET)
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        Can't speak for the schizophrenics, but as someone with ADHD I can tell you, no, he's just a bad man.
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    • Author by SLRTX (December 11, 2009 5:54 pm ET)
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      Told 'ya he was a nut-case.

      Keep digging. You may find more dirt on all those other McExperts.

      You know Fox never does any fact checking.
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      • Author by johnnyprestidge (December 11, 2009 10:12 pm ET)
           
        The fact checking comes on about 3 times a day in Obamas speeches,any fool can see thru his scharades,where's his birth certificate?Does Al Gore really believe the center of the earth is millions of degree's?This show's that common sense is much better than what the educators that have taught these people believe or know,I only have a high school daploma,but have enough sense to know that 2 km. down in the earth's crust is not millions of degree's,my God we have coal miners that deep.Al gore is an idiot,and anyone that folows him is as stupid as he is.Maybe ,no these people do need to be awakened,it's time we pick up arms and take our country back,is anyone with me,I'm damn ready now.I served my country,I am a veteran,I wa ssworn to prtect my country from all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC.At the rate our politicians are going the war will be here,and it will be the REVELUTION all over again,GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.
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    • Author by CallYourselfaJournalist? (December 11, 2009 5:56 pm ET)
         
      If this is what passes for Journalism, then I'm glad I'm insane.

      This little 'scoop' has been all over the internet for about as long as one can remember. There's even a Section on Wiki- ... about it.

      Enjoy...
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    • Author by bilbo_dies (December 11, 2009 5:57 pm ET)
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      "With me now, Lord Christopher Monckton, former adviser to British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher and climate change expert."

      And tomorrow on the Glenn Beck show:
      Joe the Plumber, famous plumber and climate expert.
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (December 11, 2009 6:45 pm ET)
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        Bingo,
        Joe may be having trouble with his plumbing business, but he don't need no liberal weatherman to tell which way the wind blows.
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    • Author by shaggles (December 11, 2009 6:02 pm ET)
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      That is one of the scariest things I've ever read. So when is Beck going to appear on his show saying "I've been trying to debunk these AIDS camp rumours but I can't."?
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      • Author by latichever (December 11, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
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        Monckton is no more a climate scientist than Beck. He read classics--as they say--at Cambridge, and then became a journalist.

        Note: whenever you hear the global warming deniers talk about the "thousands" of scientists who are skeptics. Ask them how many of those scientists are climate scientists. Very few.
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        • Author by alienofwar (December 11, 2009 9:28 pm ET)
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          Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real

          "The strongest consensus on the causes of global warming came from climatologists who are active in climate research, with 97 percent agreeing humans play a role."

          http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/01/19/eco.globalwarmingsurvey/
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    • Author by only_myschly3567 (December 11, 2009 6:31 pm ET)
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      Well, if all the people who identify themselves with the Teabagger-movement were put on a big island, and had to form a new government, there's no doubt in my mind that it would be as authoritative that at least 75% of the population thought that people with HIV/AIDS should live quarantined.

      They're all sinners who stray outside of their marriage, or born of sinners, so why shouldn't they live secluded? It's what Jesus would've wanted.

      The Amish look like the most progressive people, with lax laws on Earth compared to the Teabaggers.
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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (December 11, 2009 6:55 pm ET)
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        How 'bout we build a fence around Alabama and quarantine all the tea baggers?
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    • Author by Publius39 (December 11, 2009 6:47 pm ET)
         
      I'm not surprised by this. It seems as though the right wing and their so-called "experts" are closer to being Communists then the president and members of Congress. Health care reform to make costs more affordable and access more simple are socialist ideas?! As opposed to quaranteening people because of disease? No, that couldn't possibly be totalitarian! <sarcasm>
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    • Author by pete592 (December 11, 2009 6:54 pm ET)
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      So either Beck shares Monckton's view on AIDS, or he believes that only global warming deniers are capable of redemption.

      "IOKIYAD"
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    • Author by DAWUSS (December 11, 2009 7:13 pm ET)
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      Were your views on issues in 1987 the same as they are now (if you happened to be old enough to have opinions during that time)?


      This holds as much weight as when those RWers try to rip apart Barack Obama on something he said in high school.
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      • Author by Frankeee (December 11, 2009 7:22 pm ET)
           
        I am inclined to side with you on this. Things said decades ago can be different from how we believe now. But this is an old conservative white man. I don't think history has them down as being very open to change, especially concerning homosexuals. The old in general are less open to change, conservatives by definition are less open.
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      • Author by DellDolly (December 11, 2009 7:23 pm ET)
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        I don't think any well-informed people thought we should quarantine AIDS patients for life in 1987.

        We've been able to resolve other deadly infectious diseases - at a minimum, any informed person should have realized that it's highly unlikely that this is a problem that would require confinement for life - that's how far from reality Lord Monckton was back then.

        His uninformed conclusion that there's only one way to stop AIDS shows him to a naive black and white thinker. It seems to always be rightwingers who think in black and white.
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        • Author by DAWUSS (December 11, 2009 7:29 pm ET)
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          But in 1987 (IIRC) a lot more people believed AIDS to be a contagious disease than people do today. Again I wouldn't know, I wasn't even born then.

          If someone were to ask him the same question today, his answer might change.
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          • Author by JLP (December 11, 2009 8:06 pm ET)
               
            Yeah, like TB or leprosy, it was probably the dark ages.
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          • Author by oscar the grouch (December 11, 2009 8:26 pm ET)
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            This is true, there were a lot of unknowns about HIV/AIDS 20 years ago. Not only was there certain misconceptions about how it was spread, anyone with HIV/AIDS at that time, without awful deep pockets, was looking at a very shortened life span. MMFA should try to find more recent quotes from "Lordy" or maybe just ask him for a current opinion. Hey, about 40 years ago, Senator Byrd was a segragationist to the point of filibustering the Civil Rights Act. He has apparently changed his opinion, why not "Lordy".
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            • Author by pete592 (December 11, 2009 10:04 pm ET)
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              In 20 years, let's ask the Lord his opinion on global warming.
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              • Author by oscar the grouch (December 11, 2009 11:45 pm ET)
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                It will probably be up to you. If I'm still around in 20 years, I won't care anyway.
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                • Author by pete592 (December 12, 2009 12:00 am ET)
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                  I've got kids, so I will.
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                  • Author by oscar the grouch (December 12, 2009 9:59 am ET)
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                    In that sense, I do care, just as I care about (and have for a lot of years) the national debt. But based on some family history, I may be beyond personally caring at that moment, assuming I'm even around.
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            • Author by Tbone Slickens (December 13, 2009 5:31 am ET)
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              About fifty years years ago Robert Byrd, DEMOCRAT (WV) organized a KU KLUX KLAN chapter in his state.

              I wonder if ol' Grand Wiz Byrd has changed his tune?
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              • Author by Brabantio (December 13, 2009 8:12 am ET)
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                Byrd:
                Well, it's easy to state what has been my biggest mistake. The greatest mistake I ever made was joining the Ku Klux Klan. And I've said that many times. But one cannot erase what he has done. He can only change his ways and his thoughts. That was an albatross around my neck that I will always wear. You will read it in my obituary that I was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.
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                • Author by political_left-religious_right (December 13, 2009 5:07 pm ET)
                     
                  That was easy enough. Now, of course, Slickens, being the fair-minded person he is, will never bring up that ridiculous red herring again.
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                  • Author by wzwriter (December 14, 2009 7:27 am ET)
                       
                    I wouldn't hold my breath. He's probably trying to figure out how to bring Chappaquiddick into this conversation as we speak.....
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                • Author by Tbone Slickens (December 14, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
                     
                  So you made my point. Byrd changed his tune. You obviously accept that. To second Dawuss statement, Moncton may not hold the same views from 25yrs ago. Do yu accept that? Nice of MMfA to dredge up 20 yr statements though. At least we know what cards are on the table!
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                  • Author by Brabantio (December 14, 2009 1:00 pm ET)
                       
                    If you glance through the thread, you might notice that some of Monckton's more recent commentary on the matter has been posted. I think MMfA should have included the more recent quote in their article as well.

                    I think it's important to note that if Byrd didn't renounce his past behavior, you could make the argument that he may not have the same views today, but that doesn't mean much. It's not like you never note past behavior because of such a possibility. So I'm not really sure how I'm making your point, unless you think that Byrd's past racist behavior wouldn't be fair game for critics merely based on a hypothetical change of heart. Is that your position here?
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            • Author by jjamele2880 (December 13, 2009 5:55 pm ET)
                 
              Byrd hasn't "apparently changed his opinion." He's officially expressed regret. My bet is that you knew this already, and are just being dishonest by omission.

              When is Glenn Beck's friend going to express regret for his past fascist, bigoted beliefs?
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          • Author by SLRTX (December 11, 2009 8:54 pm ET)
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            DAWUSS --

            "But in 1987 (IIRC) a lot more people believed AIDS to be a contagious disease than people do today."

            HUH???????

            Are you claiming that AIDS is NOT contagious??????

            What rock did you just crawl out of?

            Which people do NOT think AIDS is contagious? Oh, that would be YOU! Do you even know what AIDS IS????

            Damn, ignorance is contagious. We should put the ignorant in some colony like lepers. BTW - Leprosy is also CONTAGIOUS.
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            • Author by MeanMrSpicyMustard (December 11, 2009 10:56 pm ET)
                 
              I think it was pretty clear he meant that people believed that HIV could be transmitted through proximity or physical contact. Easy there.
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            • Author by Brabantio (December 12, 2009 8:34 am ET)
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              I think he means contagious through nonsexual means, such as toilet seats or coughing. He should probably phrase it "people thought it was more contagious than they do today".
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              • Author by SLRTX (December 12, 2009 10:07 am ET)
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                Brabantio --

                I wondered. I know AIDs isn't in the news as much as it was 20 years ago, so some may not realize it's still a big problem.

                I just saw a report on the news in the past few months that some people don't realize it's still a major issue.
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                • Author by achrispage6992 (December 14, 2009 7:18 am ET)
                     
                  In this country it seems to be an issue to people who are simply irresponsible and/or ignorant. We know how to prevent the spread of AIDS. People have been informed as to how to protect themselves. I don't have much sympathy for a person who continues to share needles or have unprotected sex over and over and then gets HIV. Consequences are real and unfortunately, some are much worse than others. To me, it's no different than the idiot who continues to smoke cigarettes knowing it causes a myriad of health problems.
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          • Author by bewildered (December 12, 2009 6:26 am ET)
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            Here's an interview with Christopher Monckton; article dated June 12, 2009.

            http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles_2009/Monckton_interview.pdf

            Pg. 48, right-hand column last paragraph

            So, we've seen these lies and manufacturing of data before. Same with HIV, where, as with any other fatal, incurable infection, it should have been treated as what's called a notifiable disease, carriers isolated immediately to protect the rest of the population. This was not done.


            It would seem to me this is still his opinion today.

            I thought I would post this twice to make sure you got it.
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            • Author by edgewaterprog (December 12, 2009 11:55 pm ET)
                 
              So you agree with Monckton that you can get infected with AIDS by "rubbing shoulders" with an infected person?

              Who believes "lies and" manufactured data?
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          • Author by Brabantio (December 12, 2009 8:46 am ET)
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            This is like the notion that Columbus was taking a big risk in his voyage west because people thought the world was flat. As I understand it, it was pretty well accepted in the scientific community that the world was round, whether the masses believed that or not. Similarly, I'm pretty sure the scientific community had a grasp on how AIDS was spread in 1987. So if you're writing articles purporting to inform the public debate, then you should be better informed than however many other people believed it was a highly contagious disease.

            Whether what he wrote was extreme by any standards at the time or not, it shows that he is not the voice of sanity and reason that Beck and Limbaugh claim.
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            • Author by MiniTru (December 12, 2009 6:12 pm ET)
                 
              it shows that he is not the voice of sanity and reason that Beck and Limbaugh claim.
              Compared to Beck and Limbaugh, Monckton is the voice of sanity. Compared to any person who is reasonably informed on the subjects, he's a raving ignoramus.
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          • Author by temphandle tearfully55timetable (December 12, 2009 9:17 am ET)
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            Ronald Reagan said pretty much the same thing about ppl with AIDS. Personally I don't think they're opinions would be any different today
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            • Author by edgewaterprog (December 12, 2009 11:59 pm ET)
                 
              Actually Reagan said very little about AIDS and did even less. Part of the blame for the way in which the infection spread as fast as it did in the US was because the government refused to react in any meaningful way to a disease that was believed to affect mostly gay men.
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      • Author by bewildered (December 12, 2009 6:25 am ET)
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        Here's an interview with Christopher Monckton; article dated June 12, 2009.

        http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles_2009/Monckton_interview.pdf

        Pg. 48, right-hand column last paragraph
        So, we've seen these lies and manufacturing of data before. Same with HIV, where, as with any other fatal, incurable infection, it should have been treated as what's called a notifiable disease, carriers isolated immediately to protect the rest of the population. This was not done.


        It would seem to me this is still his opinion today.
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        • Author by oscar the grouch (December 12, 2009 9:56 am ET)
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          Looks like you may be a better researcher than the staff at MMFA. However, I have a little problem with your context. "This WAS not done." Why WAS instead of IS? Maybe I can find a little time today to do a little more research on my own.
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          • Author by MiniTru (December 12, 2009 6:13 pm ET)
               
            He wanted AIDS patients quarantined for life in 1989. They were not. That is the meaning of his statement.
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          • Author by bewildered (December 12, 2009 10:28 pm ET)
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            I just wrote the quote as it was from the interview. These were things Monckton said this year.
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          • Author by bewildered (December 12, 2009 10:39 pm ET)
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            go read the interview.

            I don't know why you can't understand the use of WAS vs. IS
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            • Author by oscar the grouch (December 12, 2009 11:22 pm ET)
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              Read the interview, pretty damning to "lordy". The WAS context is pretty clear in this case. Just curious as to why MMFA used "Breaking" as a headline to a 22 year old comment when a much more recent one is available. You should apply for one of the well paid researcher positions at MMFA, your work is much better than theirs in this case. WAS is like IS, one has to know the meaning. Clear here in the way it was used.
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    • Author by Black_Cat_Bone (December 12, 2009 12:38 am ET)
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      Well Beck's and Monckton's brand of stupid is much more contagious and at least as dangerous.
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    • Author by boulderhippy (December 12, 2009 12:52 am ET)
         
      He made thousands of people living in govt. housing, home owners. If this isn't a great thing, I don't have any idea what you libs want.

      He didn't invent the internet, so I guess he isn't qualified to comment on GW.

      He said in 1999 that it wasn't possible to quarantine all AIDS infeced people. If his idea in 1987 was implemennted then how many lives would have been saved? I don't believe he was being anything beside concerned for the well being for humanity. He is doing the same with this GW cult-like scam.
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    • Author by donwelty (December 12, 2009 5:02 am ET)
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      I think there can be described as "anti." He accused to be antigovernment, anti-Republican, anti-democrat, anti-science, anti-factual. He appears to be pro-conspiracy, pro-pseudo-emotional, pro-God, and pro-gun. Anything that seems to promote his ideas is correct, but anything that seems to provide a factual basis for an alternate conclusion is not.

      Apparently, when Beck backs someone whom he describes as an expert, none of the weird, strange, or far-out views of those so-called experts makes a difference.
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    • Author by j238 (December 12, 2009 7:45 am ET)
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      Further down, the article argues that episodes of casual contact would become a significant means of HIV transmission.

      This is one of those guys who never lets facts get in the way of his opinions.
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    • Author by Samurai Cowboy (December 12, 2009 11:21 am ET)
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      This guy is a fraud. He is not a Climatologist. He has a degree in Journalism and is a failed journalist. He appeals to Beck because the two of them are so radical, delusional, and deranged.
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    • Author by Icewalker (December 12, 2009 11:57 am ET)
         
      Beck has been spot on on his analysis,and it appears all you got is personal attacks to depart from the issues hes presenting. And since his phone has not rang i assume there are no challenges to his points. Its apparant that democrats cannot stand off and debate the right on issues on live tv like fox and show both sides and see whom is compelling and viable. If the right is so bad why is the left always trying to steal the wealth they created why not earn there own, so that you dont need the right. And then think of the success the left could afford itself it they paid there own way. Just an observation.
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    • Author by laissezfairesucks (December 12, 2009 2:57 pm ET)
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      With all the garbage from the Right Media you have to wonder why Obama keeps pursuing such a Bush Era agenda of more corporate profit, more war, more privatization....
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    • Author by tuersm3856 (December 12, 2009 3:28 pm ET)
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      Not a very good idea, Lord Monckton. Slippery slope, and all.

      ...so what does his inflammatory 1987 statement have to do with the global warming debate? I guess to an irrational mind everything that Lord Monckton says, whether related to AIDS or not, is discredited now.

      If Adolf Hitler said, "the sky is blue," is he not telling the truth because of the evil things he did?

      MMfA: we can do a lot better at discrediting Monckton. Can we perhaps get him in a debate with Al Gore or Ken Lay?
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      • Author by MiniTru (December 12, 2009 8:12 pm ET)
           
        Isn't Ken Lay dead? Try to keep up.
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      • Author by mrhebert74 (December 13, 2009 10:28 pm ET)
           
        Are you suggesting that global warming denial is NOT discredited? Your example ought to read "If Hitler said, "the sky is yellowish green," is he not telling the truth because of the evil things he did?

        And the appropriate answer would be, "No, we can tell he's not telling the truth because the idea that the sky is yellowish-green is preposterous, but why in the world are you putting him on TV as a sky-color expert ANYWAY, when the man is one of history's most notorious mass murderers?"

        Meanwhile, some nutcase would be looking out the window while Glenn's gold commercial interrupts "News" programming, deciding that yes, the sky DOES look yellowish-green." Good job, Glenn Beck.
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    • Author by jimhum (December 12, 2009 5:24 pm ET)
         
      I happened to be in Que&rtown by the Bay, when the first person without the famous birth defect died of the Que&rtown disease. They held a parade with signs that said "Now they can not call it a Gay disease." They thought that was wonderful.

      If you knew of a bunch of fellows who would cause the death of millions of people during the next 40 years, would you not put them in a prison?

      What about all the millions of children who die each year because of what those guys did.

      And don't try to tell me that some other place in the world spread that disease, like your friends on Que&rtown by the Bay.

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    • Author by Steve M (December 12, 2009 8:30 pm ET)
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      Putting aside the obvious civil liberty concerns for a moment. Who does he think is going to pay to have more than 300 million Americans tested for HIV and the cost of quarantining all who test positive? Where exactly does he think we will quarantine them? In Glenn Becks basement? This is WHY Lord Christopher Monckton is Glenn Becks Climate Czar. He is even crazier than Beck is. Testing all Americans and quarantining all who are HIV+ would be ridiculously expensive. If we were ever sick in the head enough to do such a thing.. Being an idiot is free. If you are a wingnut Global Warming denier you can even get paid for it.
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      • Author by tuersm3856 (December 14, 2009 10:21 am ET)
           
        Actually Halliburton/KBR got a contract a few years ago to start building mass detention facilities for FEMA and Homeland Security. They should be ready by now.

        http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77

        ...but trust me: they ain't for illegal immigrants. -Didn't have time to look up the original Houston Chronicle article.
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