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Karl Rove flushes Ronald Reagan down the memory hole

December 17, 2009 12:14 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

This piece of political history continues to bedevil Obama-haters who are desperate to declare that Obama's first year in office has been an historic failure. The trouble is that Obama's first year in office looks an awful lot like Ronald Reagan's, who conservatives hold up as the symbol of all that's right and true (and successful!) about a presidency.

From Rove's WSJ column today [emphasis added]:

Barack Obama has won a place in history with the worst ratings of any president at the end of his first year: 49% approve and 46% disapprove of his job performance in the latest USA Today/Gallup Poll.

From the AP, Dec. 20, 1981:

The public's confidence in the economy and opinion of President Reagan's performance remain near their lowest levels since he took office, according to the latest Associated Press-NBC News poll.

The nationwide poll, of 1,602 adults telephoned Dec. 14-15 in a scientific random sampling, said 48 percent think Reagan is doing a good or excellent job as president. Last month, the president's approval rating was 46 percent, his lowest since it peaked at 66 percent last spring.

UPDATED: Isn't there something wonderfully ironic about Karl Rove, who steered the Bush administration to polling depths not seen in this country in nearly a century, now chastising Obama about his 49 percent job approval rating; a mark that Bush couldn't achieve for the final 46 months of his presidency?

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    • Author by everettbme (December 17, 2009 12:21 pm ET)
         
      Cleary Rove meant any non white non republican President.
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    • Author by political_left-religious_right (December 17, 2009 12:24 pm ET)
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      Isn't there something wonderfully ironic about Karl Rove, who steered the Bush administration to polling depths not seen in this country in nearly a century, now lecturing Obama about his 49 percent job approval rating?

      "Ironic" barely seems to cover it, but I can't think of a strong enough term. Karl "Clear & Simple Facts" Rove is either playing his audience for absolute fools, and/or is playing the part himself. After all, how much intellect is needed to be "Bush's brain"?

      It should also be remembered that Reagan's 66 percent approval rating in the spring of 1981 was right after he was shot; in other words, it was for sympathy rather than any accomplishment. It's no surprise that it faded away.
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    • Author by The_Cat (December 17, 2009 12:26 pm ET)
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      While polling trends do show some similarities between Reagan and Obama, realities that Rove would rather overlook than face head on because he is, above all, a coward, let us hope that this is where the similarity ends.

      President Reagan made a number of very bad decisions during his tenure in office. Mistakes that led to things like selling arms to Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Mistakes like letting Americans languish as hostages to affect elections. Mistakes like aiding and abetting genocide in Nicaragua. Or, breaking a union (PATCO).

      President Obama, you have a moment in history to remake America in significant ways. True universal healthcare. An end to the reign of Wall Street wealth over Main Street labor, along with all the predatory monetary practices that go with it. A chance to rebuild relationships with other nations, working together for the global changes we need as a race. I encourage you to remain true to the promises you made during your campaign.
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (December 17, 2009 12:48 pm ET)
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        Mistakes like letting Americans languish as hostages to affect elections.


        What hostages would those be?
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        • Author by The_Cat (December 17, 2009 12:58 pm ET)
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          The hostages in Iran, released just 20 minutes after Reagan was sworn in to his first term.
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        • Author by bintx (December 17, 2009 2:05 pm ET)
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          You just showed your lack of knowledge of history and your age. Are you on Christmas vacation from high school, other guy with the ridiculous name?
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          • Author by Pianofighter (December 17, 2009 2:48 pm ET)
               
            Whenever I see a post from this particular troll, I think of this. So I guess he is good for bringing a smile to my face in a roundabout way.
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          • Author by mattcable250650 (December 17, 2009 11:33 pm ET)
               
            Actually reporter Robert Parry pointed out that the Russians confirmed the October Surprise theory in 1993.
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        • Author by cugagcmu805031 (December 17, 2009 2:08 pm ET)
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          I remember when Iran-Contra happened, and when it had been discovered that Raygun was intimately involved, Oliver North became the scapegoat. The repubs closed rank around Raygun and made North the fall guy, with his permission, of course. Anything to protect the reputation of St. Runny.
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        • Author by MtW (December 17, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
             
          Funny How Reagan fanatics seem to forget about that whole fiasco.
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    • Author by Major Tom (December 17, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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      Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if MMFA contacts Fox/WSJ/(or whoever) requesting corrections be made, or retractions be given of verifiably incorrect statements made by guests such as in this case?

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      • Author by nerzog (December 17, 2009 1:02 pm ET)
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        I don't know, but I doubt if it would make a difference. FOX has no interest in being accurate.
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        • Author by Major Tom (December 17, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
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          I just want them to be forced to explain the dubious claims they make... If not by the request, then, perhaps by venues such as The Daily Show, or competing networks. Even if they don't respond, it would probably stop Fox from calling out other networks like they did over the summer. Whoever was being attacked by Fox for not covering the Tea party du jour, or not covering the lastest attempt to smear a progressive organization, recourse by stating that Fox doesn't answer requests made by other orgs... It's just a thought. It could be very embarrassing if Fox doesn't respond, and the needed corrections pile up.
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          • Author by Major Tom (December 17, 2009 1:23 pm ET)
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            errr... 'would have' recourse by stating that Fox doesn't answer requests made by other orgs...
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            • Author by mattcable250650 (December 17, 2009 11:19 pm ET)
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              I believe MMFA has published a number of open letters concerning particularly egregious violations of good taste and manners, but I think blogger rules apply - the target is always free to respond in a variety of ways and the more widely-read the attack is, the more vital such a response is.
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      • Author by DellDolly (December 17, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
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        They do sometimes. They also publish press releases at times, which would go out to FoxNews and other real news organizations. You can see those by clicking on "Press/Bloggers" at the bottom of their home page.

        But I don't know if they contact FoxNews on a regular basis with every story that relates to FoxNews or their employees or those they interview.

        I suspect they don't, so I think they leave that contact up to us.

        I do know that they do demand corrections at times. I don't know how pervasive their attempts are at that either.
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    • Author by bilbo_dies (December 17, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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      Karl Rove flushes Ronald Reagan down the memory hole

      Remember this is the guy the media refers to as the "genius" who led the GOP back to power. Based on that, Rove can do no wrong and will not be called out by the mainstream media outlets. As someone said earlier, we have rely on sources like "The Daily Show" to point out these inconsistancies.

      Per the main GOP talking point:
      "Reagan was a Saint, the best president EVER."
      Based on that:
      "It is impossible that St. Ronnie was anything other than the best president ever."


      For those following the conversation, Yes, this is a glaring example of circular logic.
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      • Author by jeff191 (December 17, 2009 1:54 pm ET)
           
        Lots of people loved Reagan but a lot hated the man and what he did in their name. the difference is I never heard any member of the media say Reagan should be impeached or call him a tyrant who is bent on destroying our way of life
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    • Author by Conchobhar (December 17, 2009 2:14 pm ET)
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      Nothing new about flushing Reagan down the memory hole. Conservatives were very disappointed with him while he was in office. After he was out, they did a lot of "plastic surgery" on his image, to concoct the St Ronnie that bedevils politics today.
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    • Author by pros2pros2940 (December 17, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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      Neocons don'r recall that Reagan ran from Lebanon after the bombing of the barracks
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      • Author by jeff191 (December 18, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
           
        No but they remember how he saved us from communist takeover by invading Grenada. they forget that administration officials later let slip that it was just a Wag the Dog type war to reinspire American confidence in its defence capabilities.
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