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Franken v. Lieberman: Too good a story to check out

December 18, 2009 5:39 pm ET by Brian Frederick

When Sen. Al Franken denied Sen. Joe Lieberman's request for unanimous consent to speak beyond his allotted 10 minutes during floor debate yesterday, there was something in it for everyone.  

Conservatives echoed Sen. John McCain's claim that the denial was unprecedented and outrageous.  Many liberals frustrated by Lieberman's opposition to health care reform (among a lengthy list of other grievances) enjoyed what they saw as Franken "shutting down" their nemesis. And much of the media went along with the framing, themselves lusting for some political bloodsport.

Problem was, it wasn't true. In fact, it was clear from the exchange itself that it wasn't true. But everyone reacted to an abbreviated version of the exchange.

As the exchange makes clear, when McCain responded to Franken's objection by angrily denouncing the supposedly-unprecedented action, Sen. Carl Levin immediately pointed out that, in fact, an identical denial had occured earlier in the day, and that the purpose was simply to keep debate moving.

Indeed, pretty much everybody involved has made clear it was really no big deal. (Except for McCain, but we'll come back to him.)

Here's Franken:

"I agreed with every word he said for the entire 10 minutes, and I think he probably only had maybe 30 seconds left," he said. "He didn't take it personally at all."

Franken says Majority leader Harry Reid ordered all senators who presided today to keep speeches to their ten minute limits and not grant any extensions.

"Usually you're allowed to do this and, just, today we were told not to let it happen because there's been some attempt to string out the debate," Franken said. "So, I really just had no choice."

And Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's office agreed. Minneapolis Star Tribune correspondent Eric Roper reported on December 17: 

A spokesman for Majority Leader Harry Reid said that Franken was merely adhering to a request from Reid to strictly enforce the rules because the Senate is already in session practically 'round the clock.' "

Politico reported on December 18 that Reid spokesman Jim Manley stated of Reid's request, "We did that to maintain order and that no senator had an unfair advantage over another in terms of speaking. ... It was a simple request of the leader and Sen. Franken was adhering to the request of his leadership."

And Lieberman:

Lieberman laughed off the incident as much ado about nothing when he returned to the chamber a couple of hours later. He said that Franken apparently was following procedures for sticking to time limits that had been handed down by Senate leaders. Franken had made a good-natured gesture with his hands, Lieberman said, "as if to say 'There's nothing I can do'." 

And indeed, earlier in the day, when Sen. John Cornyn asked for more time for his speech, the presiding officer, Sen. Mark Bevich said virtually the same thing:

"In my capacity as a Senator from Alaska, I object."

But the facts didn't get in the way of the media's -- and the right-wing's -- efforts to paint Franken as a vindictive partisan.

The right-wing reaction was predictable. Blogger Ann Althouse called it a "dick move" and suggested a boycott of Minnesota.  Michelle Malkin accused "nutroots hero Al Franken" of "a little snit fit against Lieberman."  Red State's James Richardson accused Franken of "breaking from the Senate's long-held standards of collegiality."

But the overwhelming certainty of the Beltway crowd was stunning.

On Hardball Thursday, Chris Matthews was shocked (accessed from Nexis):

I've never seen that...Working on the Hill, following the Hill, I've never seen a senator cut short on a -- you know, a casual request for an extra minute to continue speaking in a Senate that's allowed to speak forever. Let's face it, we understand you can speak forever in the Senate. Does that show how hot things are getting or what?

Remember, the same thing had happened earlier in the day.  And that previous occurrence was mentioned by Levin during the Franken/Lieberman/McCain exchange.  And yet Matthews kept insisting it was unique, coming back to it again and again.  Later in the show, Matthews hosted Joan Walsh and Melinda Henneberger -- and all agreed it was a "direct shot" at Lieberman.  

Henneberger insisted (from Nexis):

Franken looked a little rude, and it was no coincidence that he was the first one to have the clock called on him, given that I'm sure Franken wanted to come across the desk and kill him, maybe not so much.

But Lieberman wasn't the "first one to have the clock called on him."  As Carl Levin made clear.  Where on earth did Henneberger get the idea that he was?  She obviously hadn't checked, so why on earth would she feel comfortable making such an assertion?

Over on CNN's Situation Room, senior political analyst David Gergen had an entirely erroneous analysis (from Nexis):

Yes, John McCain is scolding him, scolding Al Franken. I think that Al Franken went beyond the traditions of the Senate. There is normally -- it is a club after all in the eyes of the traditionalists, and this is very personal.

Joe Lieberman said I don't take it personally, but in fact, it was intended to be personal, and I think it reflects the frustration, the anger, the boiling resentments, and a sense among many in the Senate that maybe this thing is going to slip away from them.

Friday morning, the media continued to pile on Franken.  

On Morning Joe, Lawrence O'Donnell declared "I've never seen [this] before.  I spent a lot of years on the Senate floor.  I did not know that the presiding officer could do that.  I thought only a member up in the body could object.  But it turns out you can."  David Gregory went yammering on about Franken trying to "make a mark" and being a "liberal Senator" who dislikes Lieberman and "working the levers of power." 

And then this exchange:

SAVANNAH GUTHRIE: If you ask the Franken folks, they say this wasn't a dis.  They were trying to enforce the strict time rules because they are trying to jam so much in, trying to get the health care bill to the floor.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: Savannah, if that were the case, why would he say 'As my capacity of Senator from Minnesota'?

LAWRENCE O'DONNELL: I think he didn't want to do it as the presiding officer. ... It's shocking, it's never happened before.

Seriously, that wasn't even the first time it had happened yesterday. And the previous time, when Begich told Cornyn his time was up, he used the exact same wording. Because that's the wording they had been told to use.

Meanwhile, over at Fox & Friends, host Brian Kilmeade called Franken "an angry clown. He's a liberal who's mad at Joe Lieberman" and said Franken "needs to be chastised by Senator Reid. ... He needs somebody in his own party that has power over him to say, 'Al, you're embarrassing us.'"  Keep in mind: Franken was acting on direction from Reid!

Kilmeade's co-host Steve Doocy weighed in by calling Franken "uncivil" and "not very polite" -- which, again, is news to Lieberman, who noted that Franken had been good-natured about it.

And Gretchen Carlson suggested Franken was part of a "trend" of "newbie politicians that don't know exactly the protocol," adding, "You have the senior senator John McCain saying I've never seen this happen before, and the freshman senator Al Franken maybe not knowing how the rules are played."

Remember: The "senior senator John McCain" was wrong; it had happened just a few hours earlier.  And the "freshman senator Al Franken" was doing exactly what leadership had told all presiding officers to do.

Not only was McCain wrong about what happened yesterday, his comments were entirely hypocritical. As Think Progress' Faiz Shakir notes, McCain himself objected to Sen. Mark Dayton's request for an additional 30 seconds to finish remarks during the 2002 Iraq war debate.

And yet on Friday, McCain was still making the same false and hypocritical claim and the media were airing his comments without checking them out. (While Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity were still pushing the storyline on their afternoon radio shows.)

The "story" -- if there is one -- of yesterday's exchange should have been that McCain was wrong, and a hypocrite, in his angry denunciation of Franken's objection. 

Lazy journalism is bad.

Lazy journalism practiced by D.C. political analysts who insist they know what they're talking about is even worse.

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    • Author by bruce1ace (December 18, 2009 5:51 pm ET)
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      If Franken agreed with everything Lieberman said about health care for 10 straight minutes isn't that bad? I thought Lieberman was the bad guy.
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      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 18, 2009 5:55 pm ET)
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        What part of "enforcing rules of debate" do you not understand?...
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        • Author by bruce1ace (December 18, 2009 6:18 pm ET)
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          I didn't comment on that. What Franken did procedurally and why was explained in the article.

          I thought Franken agreeing with "every word (Lieberman) said for the entire 10 minutes" was much more interesting considering where Lieberman's standing is in the progressive community on this issue.
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          • Author by ReasonAndResolve (December 18, 2009 6:32 pm ET)
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            The discussion was regarding an amendment that Lieberman was proposing. It would be perfectly understandable that Franken would agree with the amendment and Lieberman's words. Lieberman was NOT discussing his opposition to the bill, itself.
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      • Author by neon desert (December 18, 2009 6:24 pm ET)
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        Bruce, we're not watching Saturday morning cowboy movies here. Despite what conservative wisdom has pounded into you over the years, it IS possible for a bad guy to talk for 10 minutes and speak truth.

        I'll go out on a limb here, and suggest that even YOU might possess a 10-minute period in your history where you said nothing that any of us libs would disagree with.
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        • Author by bruce1ace (December 18, 2009 6:38 pm ET)
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          I agree completely which is why statements made by anyone should be evaluated on the merits of said statement as opposed to knee-jerk disagreement based on who said it.

          I wish more people would do that.
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          • Author by neon desert (December 18, 2009 7:22 pm ET)
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            I realize that your original comment was a little tongue-in-cheek. My reply was intended to be just as dry, but hopefully expressed what I see as being a real problem to reasonable discussion, as you just said.

            Unfortunately, there's too much of that knee-jerkiness out there which has caused the political polarization in this country. And I don't exclude either side from blame.

            Well, the right is maybe just a little worse about it...
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      • Author by Eric Jaffa (December 18, 2009 7:16 pm ET)
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        Experienced politicians can give speeches full of statements almost everyone agrees with.

        I haven't seen the text of Joe Lieberman's speech in the Senate that day, but maybe it was that kind of speech.

        Al Franken supports the public option, and so apparently Lieberman who opposes it wasn't discussing the public option during those ten minutes.
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      • Author by DellDolly (December 18, 2009 8:15 pm ET)
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        What part of "this poster is the designated derail the thread" poster did you guys not get?

        First post? Check.

        Nothing in his post about the actual topic - that the media didn't vet the story before running with it? Check.

        "Funny" joke about liberals? Check.

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    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 18, 2009 5:53 pm ET)
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      McCain himself objected to Sen. Mark Dayton's request for an additional 30 seconds to finish remarks during the 2002 Iraq war debate.

      Factually true, and more proof that this supposed "incivility" IOKIYAR...
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      • Author by JoshSN (December 18, 2009 8:00 pm ET)
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        Well, I did a tweet @SenJohnMcCain asking if he'd read the piece on ThinkProgress. For whatever reason, he did not respond.
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      • Author by JoshSN (December 18, 2009 8:00 pm ET)
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        Well, I did a tweet @SenJohnMcCain asking if he'd read the piece on ThinkProgress. For whatever reason, he did not respond.
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    • Author by night-n-day (December 18, 2009 6:44 pm ET)
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      In typical "shoot-yourself-in-the-foot" fashion, the rightwing is making Al Franken a hero against blathering congress-creeps like Lieberman. By blowing the situation out of proportion to attempt to discredit Franken, the exact opposite has ocurred. Franken is now being seen as a take-no-BS senator, the kind the rightwing loony tunes themselves would have cheered if it had been one of their own.

      Never let it be said that the GOP, party of Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, and Bush, had any functioning brain cells.
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    • Author by drknowit_all (December 18, 2009 6:56 pm ET)
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      Al Franken is a tool and I cant get that Stewert smally or whatever he was out of my head to take him serious. Didnt MN also have jesse "the body" as gov too. What the F is wrong with MN. Being inside half the year does something to voters.
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    • Author by highlyunlikely (December 18, 2009 7:04 pm ET)
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      I'll take "or what." and shame on Lawrence and Joan for their knee-jerk Beltway reaction. the rest of the naysayers aren't supposed to know better.
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    • Author by zamfir273114 (December 18, 2009 7:15 pm ET)
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      This made me very happy. Lieberman is a snake in the grass that does not have the interests of American's at heart. Good for Al Franken; I take back anything nasty I ever said about him.
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      • Author by venturieffect (December 18, 2009 7:48 pm ET)
           
        It's supposed to be a non-story, not a tale of Franken's bravery.
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    • Author by DellDolly (December 18, 2009 8:20 pm ET)
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      These are all points that I've made over the past day - in fact, after seeing another post about the Think Progress expose of John McCain doing the same thing during the war authorization debate, I sent an email to MMFA making sure they knew about it too.

      The problem here is that the media didn't vet the story before running with it. They let their preconceived notions about a potential Franken/Lieberman spat color their world. It sucks.

      As Brian Frederick says,

      "The "story" -- if there is one -- of yesterday's exchange should have been that McCain was wrong, and a hypocrite, in his angry denunciation of Franken's objection.

      Lazy journalism is bad.

      Lazy journalism practiced by D.C. political analysts who insist they know what they're talking about is even worse."
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    • Author by Whispers (December 18, 2009 8:39 pm ET)
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      This is a good story for exposing how so many journalists have no respect for facts whatsoever. The facts in this case are relatively unimportant. What's important is that the reporters just take the story of the day and run with it, and never bother to check the details, even when they are so readily available.

      It's really pathetic.
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      • Author by 73 (December 19, 2009 3:32 am ET)
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        Franken is now being seen as a take-no-BS senator

        LOL bwahahaha.
        Have any of you stopped to think that just maybe it was such a big deal because AF is a fool. I will have to admit it's the most intelligent thing I have ever heard him utter. Give franken the dunce cap and make him sit in the corner until his ONE term is up!!
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    • Author by dc8677 (December 18, 2009 9:09 pm ET)
         
      I wouldn't put it past Lieberman and McCain to have arranged the whole stunt knowing Franken would cut him off. McCain plays it like a defender of comity, Franken made out to be the bad guy.
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    • Author by cornelison (December 18, 2009 11:42 pm ET)
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      The Democrats are fed up with the opposition wasting time in Congress so they are following the rules. As usual, McCain is lying. These rules have been used often and recently to one of McCain's Republican colleagues.
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    • Author by mikelartist (December 19, 2009 10:49 am ET)
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      Rachel Maddow did the best report of this of all. She pointed out that ANGRY McCain uttered these very same words "As Senator from Arizona I object" on the floor of the senate when he was presiding. He did not extend an extra minute to another senator over his allotted time. Oddly, the video feed from that exchange is missing from CSPAN's Archive. The transcript tells of the exchange but no video. It blanked out for a minute and came back. Hmmmmm.

      Anyay, McCain is either senile or a liar in this instance.

      Pimpslapped with the truth once again. Huh GOP? It must get old for you to lose these straw man arguments daily.
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      • Author by DellDolly (December 20, 2009 12:21 am ET)
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        Eventually he DID extend an extra minute to the guy I believe. But that doesn't change that due to much less urgent time constraints, the Republicans were limiting debate time over the resolution to go to war. Now, that was not a week before a big holiday, like this vote is. There's very good reason to limit debate now.

        But don't you know, dishonest Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell got up in front of the press today, and claimed that the Dems are pushing this bill through now, too quickly, in an effort to get it through during a news cycle when people won't be watching it.

        This after the Republicans have done everything they could do to make the bill get delayed to this time!

        And then he carped about how the bill should be scrapped and rewritten with Republican input. See, I thought that's what the gang of 6, 3 Dems, 3 Reps, did MONTHS ago. If the Republicans wanted input, why didn't they do so during that timeframe (fact is, they HAD LOTS of input back then - that's one of the reasons the bill sucks now!) instead of complaining about needing to have some input now?

        It's their fault, 100% their fault, if they've had a lack of input.

        They aren't victims here. Again we see them CLAIMING victimhood when they aren't victims at all!
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        • Author by bozo525a6419 (December 20, 2009 2:59 pm ET)
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          Much less urgent time constraits?

          That's funny. We have no time to debate a bill to rework 1/6 of the economy and the vast majority of it won't take place for 4 years.

          I'm heading back to DailyKos--you folks here are just plain silly.
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    • Author by scanlontodd9871 (December 19, 2009 12:18 pm ET)
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      I watched the exchange on C-span. I was actually shocked at the whole thing. Then I heard what Levin had said. I did not know about the Bebich exchange with Cornyn. I didnt think that Lieberman took it personnally, but he did seem shocked. In my opinion I think McCain was just grandstanding. I voted for Franken and I support him 100%
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      • Author by casyw (December 19, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
           
        Personally, I feel anything that stops deputy dogs self-righteous jowls from bouncing is a good thing. And maybe Senator Franken was just concerned about the potential epilepsy outbreak from the rapid eye movements, and nausea from watching him spin round and round to catch all the flip flops.
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    • Author by SLRTX (December 19, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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      Geez.

      The Senate rules are - to go over your time, you need a unanimous consent among those present to allow it.

      Listen to Lieberman's request. He asks for unanimous consent. Why? Because the rules call for it.

      Franken's response was correct - in his capacity as Senator from Minnesota, he would not permit it. So no unanimous consent.

      The nutjobs on the right always making a mountain out of a molehill.

      Shame on McCain for lying to make a false point.
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    • Author by mookie von zipper (December 19, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
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      there's plenty of bull crap on both sides of this issue... sure it happened earlier in the day, and over the history of the senate it's likely to have happened countless times... but what undoubtedly has happened just as often, if not more, is a senator using a time limit as a guideline, not a commandment, and allowing a fellow senator to complete his remarks, opposing or not...

      senator smalley was in a no-win situation here, having been instructed, if not intimidated, by the leader to cut off senior (ie, career) senators, only to be taken to task by a grandstanding maverick and a media all too happy to pile on...

      reporting from murderland ranch,
      i'm mookie von zipper
      massmurdermedia

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      • Author by jjamele2880 (December 19, 2009 5:16 pm ET)
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        Want to be taken seriously? Cut the "Senator Smalley" crap. It's Senator Al Franken. Get over it.

        My guess is that you never referred to Ronald Reagan as "President Rockne" or "President Custer," two roles he played in films. And because you didn't, stuff the hypocricy and bitterness and get used to Senator Al Franken (I know it must kill you to read that, that's why I repeated it.
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        • Author by mookie von zipper (December 19, 2009 6:34 pm ET)
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          senator smalley is a public figure whose real name i'll see often enough thru the rest of his term, so you can type it all you like... sorry to disappoint you, but it's hardly the kill shot you desired...

          as for reagan and your guess, you're only correct by sheer luck... but i have referred to him as "bonzo" and "the gipper", and also posted the following pic on this site a while back, which bears repeating:

          [http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l19/mookietxdj/misc%20debris/zombie_reagan.jpg]

          your worst nightmare would be a dream come true for me...

          i said senator smalley was in a no-win situation, so get over yourself and stop trying to impose traits such as hypocrisy and bitterness out of whole cloth...

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      • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (December 19, 2009 5:30 pm ET)
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        Not only was Senator FRANKEN merely sticking to the rules by ending Lieberman's remarks, but the same thing had happened earlier in the day when Nick Begich of Alaska was presiding, and ended the remarks of Senator John Cornyn.

        In addition to that, John McCain, he of the short memory, came to Lieberman's defense by arguing that no senator ever refused to let another finish his remarks. That flies in the face of whose history? John McCain's of course -- in 2002 he refused to let Mark Dayton of Minnesota finish his remarks in opposition to the Iraq war.

        Not only are you wrong on the facts, but you're wrong on the snark. Al Franken did something that his conservatives peers in entertainment and talk radio by and large refuse to do -- put their names on a ballot and submit their ideas to the will of the voters.

        And while I'm on the subject, why is it that Republicans only complain about celebrities and athletes in politics when those individuals are Democrats? I don't recall any Republican snarking over Fred Grandy, Bob Dornan, Steve Largent, Jim Bunning, J.C. Watts, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ronald Reagan, George Murphy, Vinegar Bend Mizell or any other Republican celebrities who turned to politics. And in my view, Franken's way more capable than any of them.

        Franken won. He's proven himself to be an effective legislator in a very short time. Learn to deal with it.
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        • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (December 19, 2009 5:41 pm ET)
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          And that list of Republican celebrities in politics can include Sonny Bono, Fred Thompson, Jim Ryun, Jack Kemp and Tom Osborne.
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        • Author by mookie von zipper (December 19, 2009 6:42 pm ET)
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          rules shmules... typical liberal technicalities... besides, although not by name, i referenced the begich/cornyn exchange in my original post...

          and i'm not a republican...

          finally, i'm dealing with senator smalley quite nicely, thank you... my tagging him by a name of one his best known characters has caused you and your pal above to completely overlook the real targets of my comment... re-read it, by inserting "franken" in place of "smalley" and then maybe you'll get it...

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          • Author by jjamele2880 (December 19, 2009 6:48 pm ET)
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            I don't know why I tried to argue with someone who seems to think that "Mookie von zipper" is somehow witty and clever. I bet your mom used to think you were witty and clever. Now she just wishes you'd rent an apartment and get out of her basement already.
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            • Author by mookie von zipper (December 19, 2009 7:02 pm ET)
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              my handle is quite clever, indeed... and my mom still knows i am... but if i did live with her it wouldn't be in a basement, they're rare on the gulf coast...

              as for you, i can't help with why you would want to argue with me... maybe the bitterness you accused me of is really on your part, since you've added nothing to the discussion other than misdirected vitriol...

              i guess i'll have to make it easy for you... i in no way criticized senator smalley... my criticism was clearly mccain and the media...

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      • Author by irishace (December 19, 2009 10:19 pm ET)
           
        Boy, the B.S. starts when you blatantly try to spread the blame to both sides, Mook. FoxJournalism 101, when you are dead wrong try and achieve a split. The blame is all McCain and the conservative pundits shooting from the hip first, ask question much, much later.Try and end your ramblings with a period once in a while instead of multiple ellipses. Smalley is code for not giving Franken the respect of using his own name. The intimidation you refer to is another figment of your imagination. Try seeking the truth once in a while. Franken was technically Reid here and was technically senior. And the piling on wasn't done by all media, only the lower quality of journalists. Maddow consistently proves she is among the best. So you can now reply with a snide homophobic remark or apologize that you were wrong.
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    • Author by retiredinsf (December 19, 2009 6:08 pm ET)
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      Al Franken, lousy comedian who stole an election.

      mmm, mmm, mmm
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      • Author by jjamele2880 (December 19, 2009 6:24 pm ET)
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        zzzzzzz..your mommy told you that you were funny and clever once- and now we ALL have to suffer?

        I hope you get an original idea for Christmas. Would you recognize it or know what to do with it?
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      • Author by skatscan5624 (December 21, 2009 5:34 pm ET)
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        It must be a bitch to be a Republican when the votes get counted correctly.
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    • Author by coldteablues19577325 (December 19, 2009 8:12 pm ET)
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      Golly ... you'd think there were OTHER things to cover ... such as a couple of wars, holiday shopping, failing economies, holiday shopping, health care reform, holiday shopping, taking Christ out of Christmas (oops, that one's already been boiled to death), holiday shopping .... YAWN.
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    • Author by Bene Tleilax (December 19, 2009 9:25 pm ET)
         
      Am I the only one who remembers a month ago when the House Republicans shouted down their opposition and objected once they got 1 second over their allotted time, and then refused to allow their comments to be expanded in the record? That was nothing but an attempt to silence their opponents and delay a vote in the rudest way possible. The reaction by Fox and the media shows that journalism is beyond lazy, it will simply parrot the loudest voice without question.
      For those who don't remember: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMdlcnK_MI4
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    • Author by swift (December 20, 2009 1:49 am ET)
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      It's got to be said that the conservative media was not the only side to simplify this "story" to the point of falsifying it. I saw the interchange, edited, on HuffPo, Crooks and Liars, and heard the news update on Air America -- and the website the next day -- reacting to a carefully-edited sequence that made it seem like "Franken was hitting back and Lieberman," giving the left something to cheer about. Except Franken wasn't doing anything like that. This is one instance that shows you we know how to excerpt, misrepresent, and present a talking point rather than fact as well.

      Lieberman is a bad guy. He single-handedly took down the last remaining public option.

      But the rule was in so that the Senate can do its business and finish up this week, and not get stymied by the roadblocks the GOP is putting in the way. And it might have been a less objectionable conservative, but Franken was supposed to do what he did no matter who it was.
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      • Author by DellDolly (December 21, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
           
        Yeah, I heard it dishonestly portrayed on a variety of news sources too.

        But why was it done on all media? Because of the false characterizations that the SCLM has allowed the rightwing media to foist upon us about Franken and Lieberman. Lieberman is a Democrat, they keep telling us. And Franken is a comedian masquerading as a Senator.
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    • Author by kateinNH (December 20, 2009 2:43 am ET)
         
      Even commenters here are getting caught up in the horse-race culture of watching the politicians and attempting to figure out their every maneuver.

      Forget that the entire story was invented due to edited clips and the unwillingness or possibly willingness? to spread what was essentially a serious misrepresentation of the truth.

      Worse, is what is supposed to be the left media completely ran with the rotten, fully baked pie themselves, thus once again proving that they are clowns who cannot be trusted to report the truth or to dig deep to find the "real" story.

      And here we sit, with the truth in front of our faces and we joust with eachother like junior high school kids.

      I don't know, is life that good for the majority of Americans? Because, it has been sucking royally for me ever since Ronnie got into office and it hasn't gotten any better and I don't see any end to it.

      I never feel like more of a loner than when I watch how people react to the complete hijacking of our democracy.
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    • Author by cpinva (December 20, 2009 7:10 am ET)
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      She obviously hadn't checked, so why on earth would she feel comfortable making such an assertion?


      for the same reason all the rest of them do, they know that maybe 5 members of their audience will actually bother to check to see if what they're saying is actually correct. if she's correct, that's great (though in the ordinary course of things, that's the expected), if not, who cares, no ones going to ever call her on it.

      for her, it's a win-win. for the audience, not so much.
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    • Author by spongeworthy (December 21, 2009 2:24 am ET)
         
      I'd prefer to see more discussion about what a soulless political prostitute Lieberman is. As others have mentioned here, I'm disturbed that Franken felt the need to say that he agreed with Lieberman. He was Al Gore's running mate and then four years later he would have voted against him. If there's anyone who embodies what's wrong with our government it's Lieberman.
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