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UPDATED: Palin's "Lie of the Year" was not a misunderstanding

December 23, 2009 11:29 am ET by Matt Gertz

Reporting on Sarah Palin's response to Politifact naming her claim that Democratic health care bills contain a "death panel" the 2009 "Lie of the Year," Politico's Ben Smith suggests that it's possible that this has all been a big misunderstanding:

She was talking about, she now says, the Medicare Advisory Board, in combination with forecasted declines in Medicare spending:

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In the haze of confusion over this issue, some of Palin's defenders had equated her words with a measure, since dropped, to provide of end-of-life counseling.

Contrary to Smith's suggestion, back in September, when asked what Palin was referring to when she said that under reform,  "Obama's 'death panel' " would "decide" whether her parents or her son Trig, who has Down syndrome, were "worthy of health care," Palin spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton responded in an email to ABC's Jake Tapper: "From HR3200 p. 425 see 'Advance Care Planning Consultation'."

That is, of course, the very provision serial health care misinformer Betsy McCaughey had referred to in claiming that the House health care reform bill would "absolutely require" end-of-life counseling for seniors "that will tell them how to end their life sooner." The media subsequently debunked McCaughey and Palin's claims more than 40 times.

Either Palin's own spokesperson was caught up in that same "haze of confusion"... or Palin is cynically changing her definitions in an attempt to preserve her credibility.

Oh, and the Medicare Advisory Board isn't a "death panel" either.

UPDATE: Smith responds, calling my argument "pretty convincing."

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    • Author by shaggles (December 23, 2009 11:32 am ET)
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      Didn't Palin just recently admit that the "death panel" claim was not true but rather just a way to stir things up?
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    • Author by nutroots-suck (December 23, 2009 11:33 am ET)
         
      If the Medical Advisory Board is not a big deal in the bill, then why did Dingy Harry sneak a provision in the bill requirng a 3/5 vote to change it in any manner, and binds future congresses to abide by the same rule?hmmm
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    • Author by nutroots-suck (December 23, 2009 11:37 am ET)
         
      Why did Dingy Harry insert a provision in the health care bill requiring not just this Congress but other Congresses to have a 3/5 vote to modify the Medicare Advisory Board if it's 'no big deal'?
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    • Author by ScienceBuff (December 23, 2009 11:38 am ET)
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      Palin is cynically changing her definitions in an attempt to preserve her credibility.

      Preserve her credibility? Wouldn't she have to establish it before it could be preserved? It's like saying I'm trying to preserve my herd of unicorns.
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      • Author by MickD (December 23, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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        Can I ride one?
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        • Author by ScienceBuff (December 23, 2009 11:57 am ET)
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          You betcha. Better hurry, though, there's a death panel deliberating their fate.
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          • Author by wzwriter (December 23, 2009 12:37 pm ET)
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            And Caribou Barbie is circling overhead in a helicopter with her gun...
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            • Author by JoeSixpack (December 23, 2009 3:16 pm ET)
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              Oh, you guys are killing me! This little exchange made my day.

              Now it's off to watch Charlie the Unicorn videos on youtube.
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              • Author by spooky3 (December 23, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
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                Ditto! Thanks for the laugh.
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                • Author by mram50 (December 23, 2009 8:37 pm ET)
                     
                  Now don't be silly..Caribou Barbie isn't shooting them. The Washington Unicorns are going to the SuperBowl playing against the Arizona McCan'ts..
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            • Author by goonhee9633 (December 23, 2009 7:38 pm ET)
                 
              You guys are having a little too much fun. Keep it up.
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      • Author by TheSarge (December 24, 2009 2:30 am ET)
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        You watch. Next week Glen Beck will insist that Unicorn Ranching is a major industry that is covered up by the "liberal media."
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    • Author by mk3872 (December 23, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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      WHAT!?!? Ben Smith defending Palin??? I'm shocked, I tells ya, shocked!

      We must remember that Ben does spend his entire day refreshing Palin's Facebook page breathlessly awaiting her next insightful interlude to be posted ...
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      • Author by MickD (December 23, 2009 11:51 am ET)
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        Yes, Benjy barely could cash his Heritage Foundation check for all the Twitterati.
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    • Author by johnny_nyc (December 23, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
         
      So, apparently, its no use quoting her since she'll change her meaning to fit whatever she needs to explain away at any given moment.

      Do I have that right?
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    • Author by pete592 (December 23, 2009 12:32 pm ET)
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      Welcome to Right-Wing Wacky World, where the government making something optional actually means the government is requiring it.
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    • Author by SAR (December 23, 2009 12:39 pm ET)
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      Ben Smith lacks credibility. Last week he went as far as criticizing an interview to Obama done by the Latino channel Univision, while misrepresenting the interviewer as a journalist, when she's actually a singer (and one with a long history in the USA to boot).
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      • Author by rtejon (December 24, 2009 1:58 pm ET)
           
        I missed that. Smith has to be old enough to remember Miami Sound Machine and Estefan's solo hits. Has he really led such an insular life?
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    • Author by nerzog (December 23, 2009 12:57 pm ET)
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      For us Political junkies, the next two years will be fascinating to watch, in a morbid car-accident kind of way.

      The Troglodytes who now own the Republican Party seem determined to rid themselves of the few remaining "intellectuals". They also seem to be gravitating toward Simple Sarah, and are trying real hard to erase her Lying Twit image.

      The interesting part will see how many lies they will tell to obscure her lies. We know the drooling Republican base will loyally vote for her no matter what... but can they fool enough moderates and independents to elect a numbskull like Palin? It worked with Bush, but at least he didn't quit halfway through his term as Governor.

      Rehabilitating Palin will be a challenge, even for the Professional liars who populate the GOP propaganda machine.
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      • Author by edgewaterprog (December 23, 2009 1:25 pm ET)
           
        Nerzog

        It worked with Bush, but at least he didn't quit halfway through his term as Governor


        Bush also had tens of millions in personal wealth and the backing of the Republican establishment when he ran to soften and make excuses for his ignorance.
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      • Author by indictgwbush (December 23, 2009 1:40 pm ET)
           
        I believe shes' way beyond rehabilitation.
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      • Author by spooky3 (December 23, 2009 5:44 pm ET)
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        If I lie about my prior lies, does that cancel them out? Enquiring (sic) Republican minds want to know.
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      • Author by Boxer1979 (December 23, 2009 7:46 pm ET)
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        For us Political junkies, the next two years will be fascinating to watch, in a morbid car-accident kind of way.

        [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FXx0DWH_37s/ShROH9Yj8YI/AAAAAAAAAwU/MERZ1IjRjR8/s400/car-pile-up.jpeg]

        All over the place!
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    • Author by open_mind (December 23, 2009 1:49 pm ET)
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      The rightwing partisans are at it again. Griping about politifact and trying to defend Palin on this. What has been missed in the whole circus is what "death panels" really is. Clue to Sarah - it has nothing to do with rationing or the production of soylent green.
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    • Author by HesDanTheMan (December 23, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
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      So Sarah's stupidity is catching? Now Meaghan has it?
      How sad. As one person on Facebook suggested, it's time to organize "Stupid Panels" to rid us of Sarah.
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    • Author by Winski (December 23, 2009 2:51 pm ET)
         
      What do you expect someone at Politico to say?? They have to ask Murdoch when they can go to the bathroom much less what to say to another reporter... Politico is Cluster-Fox with a different registered name for tax purposes.. The sooner everyone realizes that the better.
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    • Author by ProperPerspective (December 23, 2009 3:10 pm ET)
         
      I think what she really meant to say was that she SAW a death panel off in the distance - in Russia. (Seriously, who with an IQ anywhere above functional illiteracy would actually believe that nut job anyway??)
      Q. What do you call a pit bull in lipstick?
      A. Better looking...
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    • Author by RealTruthseeker (December 23, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
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      OK... so let's take Barbie's 'clarification' at face value.

      It's STILL a lie!!
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    • Author by RealTruthseeker (December 23, 2009 3:56 pm ET)
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      Actually, I take back my last post. Barbie's explanation is a LIE about her LIE. Here's a quote from the Facebook page reprinted by Politifact:

      "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's ‘death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

      Prior to that she references "economist" Thomas Sowell's prediction that "government health care" will not reduce costs. She continues that government then won't pay for needed care.


      She directly references that government WILL NOT pay for procedures... then people will stand before the 'death panel' based on 'productivity in society'. Then she calls a system such as this "downright evil".

      She CLEARLY believed her own distortion as EXACTLY what she posted then. It's CLEAR that what she's saying now about some sort of misunderstanding about what she said then is an outright lie.
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      • Author by DellDolly (December 23, 2009 4:05 pm ET)
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        Well, there's always the question about WHO actually wrote the various posts - was it always Sarah, or always someone else, or a mixture?
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    • Author by sjw (December 23, 2009 4:06 pm ET)
         
      Take a look at the comments at Politico where Smith upholds the contention made by MMFA.

      I realize some of the comments posted here go over the top, but yikes, there are some very delusional people posting at Politico. It's good insight to why there is this continual belief in the lies spewed about liberals, MMFA, Obama, etc.

      Apparently in wing-nut world, the facts are arbitrary and you can make up whatever you want, as long as they meet your preconceived ideas.

      **heavy sigh**
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    • Author by nutroots-suck (December 23, 2009 6:19 pm ET)
         
      There are two ties for "Lies" of the year
      First one is when Obama and the Dems said they were going to be the most transparent and open people in the history of the Republic. Yet they support and ram bills through Congress in middle of the night, which very few of their members have actually read.
      Second one is the Nutroots-inspired tale of Sarah Palin's book: They said it was written by a ghostwriter (never mind it has never been determined if Hillary or Obama used one), Then they said rightwingers were buying the book in bulk and them selling online (as if that is illegal-Ebay anyone), but then it was determined through an investigation that that rumor was untrue, oh yes don't forget the scandalous rumor that the twits at Media Blathers were going on about: That there was a conspiracy of online booksellers to sell her book at lower rate than in retail stores (Maybe that's why more and more people shop online, don't have to fight for a parking spot and crowds).
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    • Author by sleepy joe (December 23, 2009 6:48 pm ET)
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      Where are the Palin defenders? Thought they would be good for a few more laughs.
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    • Author by HotWings (December 23, 2009 8:19 pm ET)
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      Why must you liberals continue to beat up on this poor woman? Just leave her alone already. By the way, when was the last time a Democrat received the "Lie of the Year" award?
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      • Author by mram50 (December 23, 2009 8:44 pm ET)
           
        Recently no doubt, but the republican lies are so much more entertaining than the run of the mill lies about having sex under a desk while being president. Real lies are so passe. The OUTRAGEOUSLY STUPID lies have replay value. (Did I spell that right? I doubt it. Oh well..)
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      • Author by Brabantio (December 23, 2009 9:09 pm ET)
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        When people stop covering her moronic ramblings and acting as if she has some relevance, then she can be left alone. That's a nice system with the "Lie of the Year" claim, also. All you have to do is make huge lies year after year, then suggest bias because Democrats haven't recently won the award. Brilliant.
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    • Author by gamoss1 (December 23, 2009 10:01 pm ET)
         
      Been doing some homework on Diogenes the Cynic. Looking for an honest man. What would he think of our current politicians and society? Palin would be his poster child for all that is wrong with mankind. Vanity, ego, ambition, greed, lying, self serving, and morally bankrupt.
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    • Author by thermoburn (December 23, 2009 11:48 pm ET)
         
      The lie that is bothering me more is Obama's "We'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN,so that people can see.."

      That one is hurting credibility.
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    • Author by irondog (December 24, 2009 11:31 am ET)
         
      I wish we had some good looking women on our side,and one who didn't ride their husbands coat-tails.
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    • Author by thermoburn (December 24, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
         
      Why are we not calling out Obama on his multiple lies?
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