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Coulter brings madrassa lie back to Fox News

December 31, 2009 6:12 am ET by Jeremy Schulman

In January 2007 -- in what can only be described as a stunning display of race baiting, religious bigotry, and outright dishonesty -- the hosts of Fox & Friends spent a substantial portion of a broadcast repeating an obviously false online claim that then-Sen. Obama had attended a radical Islamic madrassa as a child in Indonesia.

The madrassa lie was quickly debunked by CNN. Fox & Friends was forced to "clarify" its report. John Moody, who was a Fox News executive at the time, reportedly said that the Fox News hosts who ran with the false story "violated one of our general rules, which is know what you are talking about. ... They reported information from a publication whose accuracy we didn't know." Separately, Moody also reportedly wrote of the madrassa incident: "For the record: seeing an item on a website does not mean it is right. Nor does it mean it is ready for air on FNC."

But almost three years later, the madrassa smear has returned to Fox. On two shows this week -- both guest-hosted by Fox News' Eric Bolling -- frequent Fox guest Ann Coulter has claimed three times that Obama attended "madrassas" as a child. Bolling has yet to challenge Coulter's false claims.

Mediaite posted video of one of Coulter's comments here.

From the December 28 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor (as transcribed on Fox News' website):

COULTER: And I also would like say, especially with a former Obama advisor on the program, I mean, this is - this was part of the selling point of for Obama liberal. Andrew Sullivan pointed out, you know, what are these radical Islamists going to do when they look and see the president of the great Satan. And you know, he has brown skin. And he attended madrassas. And he talks about how he's so moved by the call to prayer five times a day. He used to hear in Indonesia. If anyone can say we're going to look for radical Islamists, it ought to be President Obama. If he does that, if he institutes racial profiling at the airports, I'll vote for him.

BOLLING: Matthew, would it be so bad?

From the December 30 edition of Fox News' Glenn Beck (as transcribed in the Nexis database):

BOLLING: Ann, let me just talk to you about this for a second.

Since Obama has been in office June 2009, the Little Rock soldier was killed, August 2009; U.S. citizen born in Brooklyn, he's going to fight for the Taliban; in September, Talib Islam born Michael Finton wants to go fight for the Taliban; the Zazi brothers in Denver, they want to blow up the New York City subway; Nidal Hasan, the Army major at Fort Hood; and then this attack on Christmas.

You know, these incidences have definitely stepped up in the last 11 months.

COULTER: Right, I think they have. And that isn't a very long time for three actual attacks on U.S. soil. And I think the point is, these are two competing ideologies of how you deal with our enemies. And if anything, I mean -- I mean, they kept using it as a selling point that Obama would throw Islamic radicals on their hind legs when they look up and they see someone who studies with [sic: studied at] madrassas and they see the "Great Satan" has a president with a brown face and the world is going to love us.

Well, that clearly has not come to be the case. And moreover, you know, he is in a position even stronger than George Bush to do what ought to be done and that is to start looking for passengers who look like the last three dozen terrorists to attack airplanes. He could engage in -- whatever you want to call it -- racial profiling, ethnic profiling, looking for young Muslim males, foreign-born Muslim males. But no, to the contrary, what we have is his homeland security coming out and saying the system works.

BOLLING: Andrew, you're in the west coast. Are feelings changing a little bit? It's been a liberal left coast for a long, now they see all these attacks and potential attacks going on. Is the sentiment changing?

BREITBART: In Hollywood -- well, look, the thing is, what's happened over the last few years in Hollywood and as being a critic of Hollywood at large, I have to make an apology to the FOX audience because, for years, I thought it was a monolithically left-centered town. It's not. There are tons of right-of-center libertarian-leaning conservatives. It's just that there's a certain Stalinist bent to leftist where if a person were to peep, a conservative peep were to comes out of a Jon Voight, these people are merciless in getting rid of them.

There are a ton of people who would love to make movies that portray the threat of terrorism, to use Hollywood like Hollywood was used in World War II, to be part of the war effort, but Hollywood continues to still make anti-war movies at a time of war even with Obama in power.

BOLLING: Ann, what -- is it going to take a successful attack where, you know, a lot more Americans die for the sentiment to change? I mean, this whole, you know, it's a culture. This whole culture has to change. It has to be more -- hey, we better err on the side of safety, because if we don't, people die. If we err on the side of political correctness, people's feelings get hurt, right?

COULTER: Right. Right, well, I happen to think sentiment has changed. Maybe it didn't need to change. I think if you polled Americans after 9/11, they would have said drop the political correctness when it comes to boarding airplanes.

And like I say, Obama can be doing more than Bush. He is specially situated that way, as having gone to madrassas as a child, not being a white male, which is, you know, the height of political incorrectness, but just the contrary, we're moving in exactly doing the -- making -- repeating the worst mistakes of the Bush administration.

The response to this attack is -- is for Obama to take the bull's move, not to allow people to read magazines for the last hour of a flight, not to go to the bathroom for the last hour of a flight. I mean, the way of objective of airport security seems to be to just make it more and more unpleasant for Americans to fly and to make it easier and easier for radical Muslims to fly to the point that now they're talking about doing these full nude body scans for everyone boarding an airplane.

BOLLING: And, Andrew, Ann makes a good point. Have they won? Have they won? If they haven't won the war, has al Qaeda won a small battle just making, you know, our lives miserable every time we step into an airport?


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    • Author by ryansmash23 (December 31, 2009 7:08 am ET)
         
      So a no spin-zone has 2 right wingers to a single democrat. Wow I just entered the twilight zone. I dare one of you f#$%&in punk mouthed cons to come on and defend this blantant bias

      These guys aren't really helping their ideology regain power in 2010 or 12 like we did in the Bush years it seems that people tend to stay with the safety of its president (as long as unemployment is still at 8,9 or 10 percent) and has a distrust of the party out of power and its constant whinning and complaining.

      If you think that President Obama wants more attacks and isn't doing his best to stop them, check into a mental asylum.

      Fact Obama is droning them more intensly than Bush was and is probably why people are being recruited and we are seeing more attacks/plots. Not because the President is reaching out to the moderate factions within Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan in the hope we can turn people against its regimes. Engagement is ugly but necessary because not engaging didn't achieve alot in the last 8 years.

      Fact Obama has just escelated a war to crush the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. So the idea that he is soft on this is ridiculous and righties don't do anything but hate the president. They live for it! No evidence or proof just beat the microphone and hope Fox and politico and all other right wing hack media echoes those charges

      "The Democrats have moved to the right and the Republicans have moved into a mental hospital"

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    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 7:30 am ET)
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      Well, it seems that everything old is new again--except for Coulter, who is just plain old...
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      • Author by wookie (December 31, 2009 8:47 am ET)
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        Here is her life story. It continues with "aaahh ahhh ba wa mfff liberals aaahh ahhh madrassa"

        Coulter
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        • Author by Bad News (December 31, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
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          aaahh Ann Coulter, How does she carry all that Hate on her Shoulders?
          You would think her Chicken Leggs would buckle but not Coulter's.
          "A Madrassa This Is Huge"
          That would be a Cheap Shot even for Ebenezer Scrooge.

          Speak truth to power.


          Mr. News
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    • Author by ScienceBuff (December 31, 2009 8:31 am ET)
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      Off topic:
      Rush Limbaugh rushed to Honolulu hospital with chest pains

      I offer him good wishes directly proportional to those he has offered to liberals over the years.
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      • Author by wzwriter (December 31, 2009 9:44 am ET)
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        Guess that means he's doomed....
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (December 31, 2009 10:32 am ET)
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        Eat plently of fried foods, Rush...and have another cigar with that Oxycontin.
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        • Author by Tbone Slickens (December 31, 2009 10:44 am ET)
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          You libs stay classy! I know you can be counted on to kick when down!
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          • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 10:51 am ET)
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            Go tell it to Paddy Robertson the next time he starts praying for the death of liberal Supreme Court justices, Tbone Hypocrite...
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          • Author by soze169880 (December 31, 2009 10:54 am ET)
               
            I seem to recall Rush gleefully counting down to Ted Kennedy's death, the difference being no one here is the leader of their political party.
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          • Author by tbone (December 31, 2009 11:05 am ET)
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            PNAC Troll
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          • Author by The_Cat (December 31, 2009 11:49 am ET)
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            So, Tbone Slickens, how long should we wait until after Limbaugh's death to make sure he's not beatified? I'm guessing you'll accept Breitbart's rule of thumb, which began the posthumous character assassination within hours of death being pronounced?
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          • Author by New Frontier (December 31, 2009 11:50 am ET)
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            You libs stay classy! I know you can be counted on to kick when down!
            Limbaugh wonders "who's paying for the Kennedy funeral": "Is it Cutty Sark?"

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            • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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              Limbaugh wonders "who's paying for the Kennedy funeral": "Is it Cutty Sark?"

              Well, NF, we know who'll be paying for Oxy Man's funeral--Perdue Pharma, the makers of OxyContin...
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            • Author by Brabantio (December 31, 2009 1:55 pm ET)
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              It is pretty hard to feel sorry for someone who makes comments like that when people treat them the same way. It's not my style, and I would discourage people from behaving that way, but it is laugh-out-loud funny to see someone criticize liberals for being big meanies because of the way they talk about the likes of Rush Limbaugh.
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            • Author by jeff191 (January 02, 2010 4:42 pm ET)
                 
              thats no reason to play his game. he constantly demonstrates his lack of analysis and thoughtand basic decency. why do the same
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          • Author by DellDolly (December 31, 2009 1:26 pm ET)
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            The bad behavior of others doesn't justify anyone else's bad behavior.

            If we argue that the USA can't torture people because it's about who WE are, and that it's irrelevant that those terrorists might have tortured others, then we shouldn't use Pat Robertson's bad behavior, or Rush Limbaugh's bad character to justify our own bad behavior.

            It's just not good form to wish for anyone's bad health. I understand it, but it's not good form.
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            • Author by Ribelin2000 (December 31, 2009 1:50 pm ET)
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              I don't think anyone in their right mind should be hoping that Rush doesn't recover, but on the other hand, I do believe in karma. Just sayin'...
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            • Author by IRONY 101 (December 31, 2009 2:00 pm ET)
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              If a piano fell on David Duke's head today I wouldn't feel the slightest bit of sympathy for him. Get my point...?
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            • Author by steeve (December 31, 2009 2:27 pm ET)
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              "It's just not good form to wish for anyone's bad health."

              Agreed, but I will spit and dance all over their grave.

              If someone has been a provable jackass their whole life, they should be declared to be a jackass hours after their death, seconds after their death, on their deathbed, and throughout their whole life. Anyone who doesn't like that can simply avoid being a jackass.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (December 31, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
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            You libs stay classy! I know you can be counted on to kick when down!

            I'd kick Rush Limbaugh in the sack if he was standing up in front of me. Limbaugh is an evil man...get it?
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          • Author by indictgwbush (December 31, 2009 2:21 pm ET)
               
            And all you contards can be counted on to kick whomever your told to by your handlers in the corperate(fascist) media, whether they're up or down! Can you say Micheal J. Fox? You lemmings wouldn't know class if it slapped you across your ignorant mugs!
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          • Author by DeirdreFlanagan6 (January 02, 2010 7:54 am ET)
               
            Have you ever heard the disgusting names he calls prominent, accomplished Americans? The man reeks disrespect.
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          • Author by coldteablues19577325 (January 02, 2010 7:20 pm ET)
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            "You libs stay classy! I know you can be counted on to kick when down! "

            Now, isn't THAT calling the kettle black?
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      • Author by AB-001 (December 31, 2009 11:25 am ET)
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        Not wanting to wish anyone ill health, but there is plenty of irony to toss around here. Re-read Limbaugh's pronouncements on health care, read his opinions on compassion and emotion for fellow human beings. I doubt any of it was in his mind when the moment of truth arrived inside his chest.

        And I wonder if he inquired into political ideologies, loyalties, etc. of any of the health professionals who took care of him? After all, he wouldn't want to have put his life in the hands of a bunch of libs, would he?
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        • Author by Frankeee (January 03, 2010 12:06 am ET)
             
          Knowing him, I dont think he would.
          And if he knew himself, i don't think he'd want 'libs' holding his life in their hands, tehehe
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      • Author by Prup (aka Jim Benton) (December 31, 2009 12:28 pm ET)
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        Irony abounds. Just today Steve Benen had a piece about several conservative and MSM types criticizing Obama for vacationing in Hawaii, with them giving the old standby "I know it is a state, but it still seems foreign." And apparently both Limbaugh and Obama were vacationing close to each other.

        As for my own wishes for Limbaugh, I cannot wish him death or illness -- I can't do that to anyone, just not my nature. But a very long extended recovery period which keeps him off-air and silent, nothing wrong with that.
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      • Author by gamoss1 (December 31, 2009 3:42 pm ET)
           
        Sow it, reap it. Time to give the devil his due. Gain the world, lose your soul. And so on.
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      • Author by Samurai Cowboy (December 31, 2009 10:14 pm ET)
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        God is trying to recall the talent that He loanded Rush. Hey, Rush. Pay the loan on the ticket, or get called home.
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        • Author by ScienceBuff (January 01, 2010 12:14 am ET)
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          Rush should be able to get his full deposit back. From what I've heard, it was hardly used.
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      • Author by coldteablues19577325 (January 02, 2010 7:17 pm ET)
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        "Off topic:
        Rush Limbaugh rushed to Honolulu hospital with chest pains"


        It's probably just an axiety attack. Seems that Olbermann may finally be getting to him.
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    • Author by Cheney2012 (December 31, 2009 9:03 am ET)
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      From Barack Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope"

      "During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin’s call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was properly learning my multiplication tables."

      Now for a definition:

      Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة‎, madrasa pl. مدارس, madāris) is the Arabic word of Semitic origin (viz Hebrew Midrash) for any type of educational institution, whether secular or religious (of any religion). It is variously transliterated as madrasah, madarasaa, medresa, madrassa, madraza, madarsa, medrese etc.

      Looks like Coulter and anyone else who says Obama attended a Madrassa would be absolutely correct as Obama himself says he did and we see the definition of the word.
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      • Author by bermensch (December 31, 2009 9:09 am ET)
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        Better close down the catholic schools in the U.S. if people are afraid of this "Madrasah" word...you know...just to be safe.
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        • Author by coldteablues19577325 (January 02, 2010 7:25 pm ET)
             
          "Better close down the catholic schools in the U.S. if people are afraid of this "Madrasah" word...you know...just to be safe. "

          You betcha. Wouldn't want indoctrination of ANY indoctrination of ANY children now would we?
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      • Author by Boxer1979 (December 31, 2009 9:19 am ET)
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        Chaney2012,

        His mother believed that learning all types of religion was apart of eduacting yourself with the different customs around the world. I see no problem with that. If you have a problem with that then you need to address the issues you have with yourself.

        I have the book, I read it. Try again if you are using it to smear. Obviously Anniepoo would not care about different customs around the world, since she beleives everybody should just only practice Christianity. SMH!

        *Facepalm*

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      • Author by wzwriter (December 31, 2009 9:29 am ET)
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        Looks like Coulter and anyone else who says Obama attended a Madrassa would be absolutely correct as Obama himself says he did and we see the definition of the word.

        Looks more like once again, Cheney2012 is talking out his a$$. As usual...
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        • Author by Floyd (December 31, 2009 10:02 am ET)
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          I guess that means a conservative talking out their a$$ has more truth being told than a liberal talking out their mouth! At least cheney2012 had something constructive to say about the subject. While wzwriter simply comes in with the usual slander/defimation of character. Typical liberal, though. When facing facts, they cuss at you and call you names. Then all their freinds can see how smart they are becaue they cussed at a conservative.
          Why don't you address the FACT that Obama said he attended a madrassa (in fact he claimed to have attended a couple of them)? Or is that too much for you to comprehend?
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          • Author by soze169880 (December 31, 2009 10:55 am ET)
               
            Actually, he never said that. I won't ask if that's too much for you to comprehend because I already know.
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          • Author by MrPlow99 (December 31, 2009 10:58 am ET)
               
            Just because you put FACT in all caps doesn't mean you're right. Nice try, though.
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          • Author by ScienceBuff (December 31, 2009 11:08 am ET)
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            One could just as easily state that Obama attended a seminary, because one of the lesser-used definitions could apply that word to any institute of higher education. However, doing so without qualifying it would give an inaccurate impression, just as stating he attended a madrassa does. The fact is that in both cases, simply stating that someone attended a seminary or a madrassa, gives an slanted impression to the average person.

            The simple fact is, the school in Indonesia that is being called a madrassa was a secular public school. Calling it a madrassa is a deliberate attempt to create an incorrect impression. It may not be a lie under a niggling, word-parsing standard, but it is certainly an attempt to deceive.
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            • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 31, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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              Maybe we should give Floyd and Dick the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps they are too simple-minded to understand what is so clear to the thinking, rational, adults amongst us.
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          • Author by leftofwhat (December 31, 2009 6:32 pm ET)
               
            So freaking what pinko floyd.Different experiences for different people.What is your problem with education?What is your problem with compassion?What are doing on this site other than trying to bend your "truth" on a site that,obviously,has your number.I'd rather be ignored than vilified like you are.


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          • Author by Samurai Cowboy (December 31, 2009 10:20 pm ET)
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            "When facing facts, they cuss at you and call you names." Yep. Typical right wing response. You left out the personal threats of violence, though. That's another right wing trait when presented with facts and proof.
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          • Author by raddave43 (January 01, 2010 9:48 pm ET)
               
            Again Medrassa is an Arabic name, not Indonesian.
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      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 9:33 am ET)
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        And the final nominee for Right-Wing Word Parser of 2009 goes to...Cheney2012!

        Sure, Ann only meant it in the limited way noted in your alleged dictionary entry. My name is also Alexnder Ovechkin and I just won two straight NHL Hart Trophies...

        WHat Ann meant by using the word madrassa--and which you mean too, regardless of your third-rate word parsing--is school for Muslim terrorists. IOW, "see? Obama is a Muslim terrorist! Oh, I didn't exactly mean that--I just meant he pals aroujnd with terrorists! Or at least is a terrorist sympathizer"...
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      • Author by Floyd (December 31, 2009 9:46 am ET)
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        Well, apparently, she failed on both accounts. How many states did Obama visit during the primaries? I think he said 57 states. Maybe that wouldn't be included in "multiplication tables", that would be simple history. Good thing he studied Constitutional Law, or he wouldn't have been able to say 'let the terrorists be tried in NY, and when they are found guilty and properly punished all will be good'. Hmmm, I didn't think a sitting president would go as far as to say someone is guilty and should be punished BEFORE their trial.
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        • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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          How many states did Obama visit during the primaries? I think he said 57 states. Maybe that wouldn't be included in "multiplication tables", that would be simple history. Good thing he studied Constitutional Law, or he wouldn't have been able to say 'let the terrorists be tried in NY, and when they are found guilty and properly punished all will be good'. Hmmm, I didn't think a sitting president would go as far as to say someone is guilty and should be punished BEFORE their trial.

          Off-topic much, Floyd? Maybe if I read closely enough, there might be something about Coulter's madrassa wisecracks in there...nope. Guess not. So what do we have here? Just another heapin' helpin' serving of Obama-hatred. Go throw yourself a teabag party Floyd, only preferably on Freeperville or RedState so we adults can have an adult conversation...
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        • Author by DellDolly (December 31, 2009 1:36 pm ET)
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          The 57 states comment by Obama has been explained multiple times. He was thinking about how there's 50 states, and that he'd been to 47 of them, and he was tired, and he accidentally said 57.

          How is it that you repeat a debunked, off topic smear in the same thread that's about Ann Coulter repeated a debunked, off topic smear?

          I mean, Obama's schooling had nothing to do with the topic they were discussing. It's not like Obama is TRULY associated with ANY terrorists, not even by the slender thread of his schooling in Indonesia - he's not guilty by proximity to lots of Muslims for 3 years of his childhood, which is Coulter's implication.

          I mean, what a coincidence that two fools would participate in the same behavior!!!
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          • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 8:33 am ET)
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            dd-- I mean, Obama's schooling had nothing to do with the topic they were discussing.

            Hmmm, dd thinks Obama going to a madrasah isn't the topic of this thread. She thinks the topic is 'Obama is a terrorist'. If you could show me an example of anyone calling Obama a terrorist in mmfa's story I would appreciate it. Also, while you're at it, stop with your inflecting and show me where (in mmfa's story) anyone says Obama went to a "radical Madrasah". That load of crap is an implication YOU and your cohorts are rehashing over and over again. No one says Obama went to a radical Madrasah, only you folk continue to claim that is what you hear. Then whine about something that isn't even said.
            It's too bad for you that Obama going to a Madrasah (at some point), and learning multiplication tables IS THE TOPIC. If he wasn't learning mulitiplication tables, then what was he learning? I gleefully pointed out that he didn't do a very good job of learning. It's too bad for you that you can't accept what Obama said about that subject. However, for the rest of us, it is ON TOPIC to quote Obama saying he was schooled in a Madrasah.

            I think you are the one making a fool of yourself, by claiming what is 'on topic' is being 'off topic'.
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            • Author by New Frontier (January 01, 2010 10:58 am ET)
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              It is ON TOPIC to quote Obama saying he was schooled in a Madrasah.

              Hahaha. You know: you can't show us where Obama says, quote: "I went to a Madrasah." That's because he never said it.

              We know you want it to be true, very badly, because then it infers that Obama sympathizes with, or has empathy for, Muslim terrorists. You're apparently confusing us with your stupid, dumba$$, dipsh!t wingnut pals.
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              • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 11:24 am ET)
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                It was quoted earlier, but I'll repost the part you couldn't read: "I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school"

                So, what part are you missing? I never said Obama claimed he went to a madrasah, I said he was schooled in one. Which is factual.


                nf-- You're apparently confusing us with your stupid, dumba$$, dipsh!t wingnut pals.

                Are you related to wzwriter? Because he doesn't have the intelligence to carry on a conversation (without name calling) either.
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                • Author by New Frontier (January 01, 2010 11:43 am ET)
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                  Floyd now:
                  "I never said Obama claimed he went to a madrasah.
                  Floyd earlier:

                  "It is ON TOPIC to quote Obama saying he was schooled in a Madrasah."

                  "Why don't you address the FACT that Obama said he attended a madrassa."
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 01, 2010 1:14 pm ET)
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                    Yeah, come on, Floyd. That is really a special kind of stupid. Apparently, the real scandal is wherever you went to school.
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                  • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 5:01 pm ET)
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                    Oh, gee, you got me. Well, now that you're in the 'gotcha' mode, try clarifying this one:
                    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2819634&page=1

                    Obama:"When I was six, I attended an Indonesian public school where a bunch of the kids were Muslim, because the country is 90 percent Muslim," "The notion that somehow, at the age of 6 or 7, I was being trained for something other than math, science and reading, is ludicrous."

                    I like his use of descriptive words: "bunch of kids" in a country that is "90% Muslim". Then the actual NAME of the school translate to 'government school'. Do you think the government would call it a madrasah? Even if Obama doesn't?
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                    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 01, 2010 5:07 pm ET)
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                      Obama:"When I was six, I attended an Indonesian public school where a bunch of the kids were Muslim, because the country is 90 percent Muslim,"

                      Which means, little genius, that it is not a madrassa! So, want to tell me again why Coulter's wisecrack was appropriate?...
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                      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 01, 2010 5:09 pm ET)
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                        And just to translate, because you obviously need it, a public school is not a madrassa. Hence, Obama never went to a madrassa, hence Coulter (and you) are full of s@#t...
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                    • Author by vysotsky (January 01, 2010 7:06 pm ET)
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                      "Then the actual NAME of the school translate to 'government school'. Do you think the government would call it a madrasah?"


                      The actual names of the two schools that Obama attended in Jakarta are "Besuki Public School" or "State Elementary School Menteng 01", and "St. Francis of Assisi School". Let me repeat that: St. Francis of Assisi School.

                      To answer your question: no, the government wouldn't describe either of these schools as madrassahs, especially because the word madrassah is Arabic and the official language of the Indonesian government is Indonesian.
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                    • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 01, 2010 9:49 pm ET)
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                      I'll give you some points for tenacity, Floyd. You've had your every attempt at an argument completely destroyed, some even self-inflicted, and you're still trying to portray others pointing out your failures and lies as irrelevant "gotcha"'s.

                      You better pace yourself, there's another 364 days left in the Wingnut of the Year competition.

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                      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 01, 2010 10:12 pm ET)
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                        I do believe, Colonel, that he's trying to get an early lead out of the gate...
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                    • Author by raddave43 (January 01, 2010 10:47 pm ET)
                         
                      Since Indonesia does not speak Arabic, no they would not call it a Madrassa. I think you are getting "Arabic" and "Muslim" mixed up
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                    • Author by Brabantio (January 01, 2010 11:21 pm ET)
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                      Let's say you went to a public school where 90% of the kids were Christian. Would it be accurate to call it a parochial school?
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                • Author by raddave43 (January 01, 2010 9:49 pm ET)
                     
                  It is not factual, because he did not attend a Madrassa.
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            • Author by DellDolly (January 01, 2010 1:41 pm ET)
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              What a loser you are, Floyd.

              What I WROTE was "Obama's schooling had nothing to do with the topic they were discussing".

              Who's the "they" in my sentence? Coulter and the people she was talking to.

              Obama's schooling had nothing to do with the topics that Coulter and the other people were talking about!

              This is NOT rocket science, but you couldn't follow it?
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        • Author by indictgwbush (December 31, 2009 2:26 pm ET)
             
          At least this sitting president believes in trials!
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      • Author by wzwriter (December 31, 2009 9:56 am ET)
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        Once again, Cheney2012 displays his intellectual dishonesty for all to see. He posted the definition of "madrasah" from Wikipedia, yet failed to post this passage from further down the page:

        Misuse of the word

        Post-9/11, the Madrasas are perceived as a place of radical revivalism among Western countries with a negative connotation of anti-Americanism and radical extremism. The word madrasah literally means "school" and does not imply a political or religious affiliation, radical or otherwise. They have a varied curriculum, and are not all religious[citation needed]. Although early Madrasahs were founded primarily to gain "knowledge of God" they also taught other subjects including mathematics and poetry. For example, in the Ottoman Empire, "Madrasahs had seven categories of sciences that were taught, such as: styles of writing, oral sciences like the Arabic language, grammar, rhetoric, and history and intellectual sciences, such as logic."[2] This is similar to the Western world, in which universities began as institutions of the Catholic church.

        The Yale Center for the Study of Globalization examined bias in United States newspaper coverage of Pakistan since the September 11, 2001 attacks, and found the term has come to contain a loaded political meaning:[36]

        "When articles mentioned 'madrassas,' readers were led to infer that all schools so-named are anti-American, anti-Western, pro-terrorist centers having less to do with teaching basic literacy and more to do with political indoctrination."

        Various American public figures have, in recent times, used the word in a negative context, including Newt Gingrich,[36] Donald Rumsfeld,[37] and Colin Powell.[38]

        The New York Times published a correction for misusing the word "madrassa" in a way that assumed it meant a radical Islamic school. The correction stated, "An article... said Senator Barack Obama had attended an Islamic school or madrassa in Indonesia as a child referred imprecisely to madrassas. While some (madrassas) teach a radical version of Islam, most historically have not."[39]

        Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah


        Pack it in, Cheney2012. Once again, you have failed miserably at your feeble attempts to convince anyone here that you know what the f**k you're talking about. It's time for you to go back to Free Republic and give up.
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        • Author by Floyd (December 31, 2009 10:09 am ET)
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          Actually, no one ever claimed he went to a 'radical muslim' teaching madrasah. It is the liberal who claims that is being said! Do you fear the truth or are you simply ignorant of it? Cheney2012 proved his case in convincing manner and you try to fend it off by changing the subject to 'cheney2012 claims Obama learned radical Islam'.
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          • Author by MickD (December 31, 2009 10:25 am ET)
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            You and Cheney2012 should cuddle in his man size safe and keep cooing "liberal" to each other as spittle.
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          • Author by New Frontier (December 31, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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            It is the liberal who claims that is being said!
            Floyd, Cheney2012, Coulter and all the other liberal-haters meant "madrasah" as a compliment.
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            • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 10:33 am ET)
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              NewFrontier, dell dolly, wzwriter all think Madrasah is a verb. Well, it's a noun! Maybe you all should go back to a Madrasah and study this time, instead of smoking pot.
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              • Author by New Frontier (January 01, 2010 11:03 am ET)
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                Well, it's a noun!
                Really??? No sh!t?? Hey everyone: Floyd went to an English-speaking elementary school, therefore he must be an English professor.
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 01, 2010 11:32 am ET)
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                  WTF ??Did Floyd make a New Years resolution to be even stoopider in 2010 ? Can anybody explain the Mayberry barber's loopy accusation about anybody thinking Madrassa is a verb?

                  (Not you, Floyd, I think you should rest).
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          • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 10:50 am ET)
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            Actually, no one ever claimed he went to a 'radical muslim' teaching madrasah.

            Yah. Right. Tell it my Hart Trophies, tovarisch...

            wz utterlay nailed it in the above post--when a conservative is using the word madrassa, he/she/it is using it as a pejorative to imply that the person accused is a terrorist. You're just pitching another hissy fit because you and Ann were caught out on it--again...
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            • Author by DellDolly (December 31, 2009 1:41 pm ET)
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              The implication isn't that Obama is a terrorist. It's that he's guilty by association because for 3 years during his childhood, he went to a school with other muslims. And, don't you know, all terrorists are muslims, therefore all muslims are terrorists, therefore Obama associated with terrorists.

              Never mind that it was when he wasn't even 10 years old.
              Never mind that not all Muslims are terrorists, of course - only a tiny, tiny percentage are.
              Never mind that the school he went to was not teaching any radical ideals while Obama was there, nor does it teach radical ideas now.
              Never mind that Obama is a Christian now.
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              • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 8:38 am ET)
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                dd-- never mind ... blah blah blah

                We all know that. Where is something different being said? What you liberals hear in your collective heads doesn't EVER seem to be what was actually said! Unfortunately, your OPINION doesn't create something out of nothing. Coulter, nor anyone else, is making any claim that Obama went to a radical Madrasah. Your perceived implication is only that... perceived. But, I guess you got to hold onto someting in your hatred of everyone different than you.
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 01, 2010 11:38 am ET)
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                  Floyd, seriously, I strongly suggest you read - I mean really read and try your best to comprehend- some of the responses to your posts here. Unless you're just enjoying being a clown.

                  As you read the responses, keep this very essential question in your mind (if you're capable of keeping anything there for more than a few seconds);

                  Why did Coulter use a foreign word for "school" in the middle of an otherwise all-English rant?

                  Good luck, Floyd.
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                  • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 11:43 am ET)
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                    Because is WAS a madrasah that Obama attended. Call a spade a spade. Do you have a problem with that? What should she have called the madrasah?
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                    • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 01, 2010 12:26 pm ET)
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                      Would it have been reasonable for her to say "escuela"? "schule"? "école" ?

                      Since she was speaking English, I'd say she should say "school". Of course, that doesn't explain why she thinks it's relevant to the topic of racial profiling that Obama went to school. Can you explain that?
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                      • Author by DellDolly (January 01, 2010 1:46 pm ET)
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                        Yeah, I already tried the "it wasn't relevant to the topic Ann Coulter and the other FoxNews personalities were talking about to bring up Obama's schooling", but it flew right over Floyd's head!

                        It's hopeless I suspect, and he's simply pulling our chains to derail the thread.
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                      • Author by Floyd (January 02, 2010 8:49 am ET)
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                        Perhaps she should have said 'place of learning' which is what madrasah translates to? Or 'education center'. If she had used 'school', she would have been incorrect, because he didn't attend a 'school' at that time. He attended a madrasah.. a Muslam place of learning... which is what Obama admits attending.
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                        • Author by vysotsky (January 02, 2010 1:31 pm ET)
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                          Floyd, you should really tell that to the guy who yesterday here wrote this:
                          "The arabic meaning of the word madrasah is 'place of learning'. Just like if you asked any abortion clinic bomber where they learned they would say 'school', which is the American version of madrasah.
                          [...]
                          I think you need to go back to 1-3 grade school (madrasah) and relearn how to read."

                          You see, that guy and Cheney2012 were arguing that the American English equivalent of "madrasah" was simply "school".

                          But you clearly don't agree with that guy, because today you're saying that a madrasah is "a Muslam [sic] place of learning." (What's this word "Muslam", by the way?)

                          And finally, of course, either way, Obama did not attend a "Muslam" place of learning: he attended a Catholic school and a secular public school.

                          It's interesting to note that you're claiming that "Obama admits" attending a madrasah, because yesterday some guy called "Floyd" was on this forum arguing with people and defensively sniping, "I never said Obama claimed he went to a madrasah". You should tell that "Floyd" character how mistaken he is, since you're arguing today that Obama "admits" attending such an institution.
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                          • Author by Brabantio (January 02, 2010 2:06 pm ET)
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                            I love this as well:
                            Cheney2012 proved his case in convincing manner and you try to fend it off by changing the subject to 'cheney2012 claims Obama learned radical Islam'.
                            Cheney's point very clearly was that "Madrasah" applied to any school, secular or of any religion. So Cheney proved his point according to Floyd, while at the same time he claims that it means "Muslim place of learning".
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                      • Author by The_Cat (January 02, 2010 11:29 am ET)
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                        Reasonable? Yes, Col. Harland Sanders. Possible? Well, not really, no. No more than it is possible for Floyd to admit Coulter was being deliberately inflammatory.

                        Some people are just like that. Most of them choose to be.
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                    • Author by The_Cat (January 01, 2010 1:06 pm ET)
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                      Let's see if I can show how this works. The word madrassa in the English language, meaning as I have shown elsewhere a Muslim school usually associated with a mosque, should not be confused with the Arabic word it is based on that can mean any school or place of learning.

                      By using the English word madrassa rather than simply calling it a school, Coulter is directly implying that Obama was, at the very least, educated by Muslims. He wasn't. She knows that.

                      Now, Dick Cheney has very close ties to Halliburton, and the executives who run that company. And, more importantly, Halliburton has, through shoddy fulfillment of no-bid government contracts, killed American soldiers. But, I'm not saying Cheney had a hand in killing American soldiers, Floyd. See how that works? Called 'guilt by association', and it's just one more rhetorical fallacy that those on the right use in place of actual facts.

                      Had Coulter been speaking Arabic at the time, I would of course defer to Cheney2012's Arabic definition of the word madrassa. What should she have called it? What it was: a public school. Why didn't she? I think we already covered that part.
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                      • Author by Floyd (January 02, 2010 8:52 am ET)
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                        TC-- Now, Dick Cheney has very close ties to Halliburton, and the executives who run that company. And, more importantly, Halliburton has ...

                        Wow, I was dutifully admonished for talking "off-topic" while discussing what Obama learned in the madrasah. But, we get a complete rehash of Haliburton and nother in mentioned about going off-topic? Hmmm ...
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                        • Author by The_Cat (January 02, 2010 11:25 am ET)
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                          Trying hard not just laugh and laugh at you, Floyd. Apparently, you fail to grasp the concept of an example. Or, perhaps you have no other argument against my line of reasoning, and are reduced to grasping at straws to attempt to prove you may still have a point.

                          Either way, you are epic fail, troll. :)
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                      • Author by Frankeee (January 03, 2010 1:40 am ET)
                           
                        We have established that Indonesia is 90% Muslim (not Muslam and not Moslem, MUSLIM you trolls out there). It would be misleading and derailing to say he wasn't educated by Muslims. Not to mention most likely wrong. But thats all irrelevant because there is nothing wrong with being educated by Muslims, there is nothing wrong with learning about and in other countries, there is nothing wrong with learning in madrassa's if there are just other words for schools.

                        Right?
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                    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 01, 2010 10:16 pm ET)
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                      Because is WAS a madrasah that Obama attended.

                      No it wasn't. It was a public school that happened to have a majority of Muslims in the student body. So frankly, little Floyd, you lose again...

                      Call a spade a spade.

                      And call a moron a moron, which you are right down to the ground, little Floyd, even if it's an intentional moron that you're being...
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          • Author by congero6189599 (December 31, 2009 11:34 am ET)
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            You and Cheney are busted and disgusted and can't be trusted and your feet stink.
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          • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 31, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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            Don't worry, Floyd. I believe you. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. You are not just a partisan hack who only knows what AM hate radio and Fox News spoon feeds you. Perhaps, you are just to ignorant or stupid to understand the clear implications of what Ann Coulter is saying. I will give you that, Floyd. You claim to be more stupid than partisan and I, for one, believe you.
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          • Author by indictgwbush (December 31, 2009 2:29 pm ET)
               
            You're not too bright are you?
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          • Author by vysotsky (December 31, 2009 2:47 pm ET)
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            "Do you fear the truth or are you simply ignorant of it?"

            What truth would that be? A truth like, for instance, this sentence: "However, in contemporary English usage, the term most frequently refers to the Madrasah Islāmiyyah, or traditional Islamic school."
            I mean, the way Cheney2012 left it out of a discussion of the word "madrassa" and its use in English does seem a bit odd, don't you think?

            But hey, I'm sure it was an honest mistake. That's why I think you and Cheney2012 should put your money where your mouths are are do as Ann Coulter does: just replace the word "school" with "madrassa" whenever you speak. For instance, before your next high school reunion, why not mention to your coworkers how much you're looking forward to this trip to see your old friends from your madrassa? And at the airport on your way to the reunion, why not mention to the TSA personnel how the skills you learned in your madrassa really helped you in life and to prepare for your security screenings and flight. You can explain to these people -- and everyone else -- how you don't mean the word madrassa in its common contemporary English usage, but rather in its actual Arabic meaning. And then you can explain why you're so interested in learning Arabic words and using them in place of English words with identical referential meanings.
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            • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 10:18 am ET)
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              And who's description of the meaning are you using? Doesn't wikipedia use a conglomeration of many people's ideas to form their articles? How about you bring an official description of the word ... like from a real dictionary? I realize you and wz prefer to use pictionaries that only you write, but there are REAL dictionaries out there to get a more meaningful description of words. Here, let's try together. From a real dictionary:

              ma·dra·sah also ma·dra·sa or ma·dras·sah (m-dräs) n. Islam
              A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque.

              [Arabic madrasa, from darasa, to study; see dr in Semitic roots.]

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              madrasah, madrasa [məˈdræsə ˈmɑːdræsə], medrese [məˈdrɛseɪ]
              n
              (Non-Christian Religions / Islam) Islam an educational institution, particularly for Islamic religious instruction
              [from Arabic, literally: place of learning]

              The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.


              There, that didn't hurt now did it? See, going to real sources as opposed to made up ones can be ... well... inspiring, can't it? Keep that in mind when you use wiki as a reference of FACT.
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              • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 10:21 am ET)
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                BTW, that desciption was updated in 2009. (just so you don't accuse me of using 'old' descriptions of words)
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 01, 2010 11:44 am ET)
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                Are you wearing bulletproof shoes, Floyd? I hope so, because you're really shooting yourself in the foot here.

                Do you understand that your preferred definition completely destroys your own silly argument that the secular school Obama attended would be called a madrasa by any honest and rational person?

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              • Author by Brabantio (January 01, 2010 4:13 pm ET)
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                Doesn't wikipedia use a conglomeration of many people's ideas to form their articles? How about you bring an official description of the word ... like from a real dictionary?
                Apparently you aren't paying attention. Cheney's the one who quoted wikipedia, and his source doesn't back him up. If Cheney has an argument to make, then he should be able to find something to support it, and his failure to do so is the only thing that needs to be put in the spotlight by those disputing his claim.

                Like colonel, I'm utterly mystified as to how your citation is supposed to support Cheney's argument. You seem to be wanting others to provide a definition which proves that Coulter was asserting Obama's Muslim roots (contrary to Cheney's argument), and then you post that definition yourself.
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                • Author by Floyd (January 02, 2010 8:55 am ET)
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                  B-- Like colonel, I'm utterly mystified

                  I think that's been known for quite some time.
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                  • Author by Brabantio (January 02, 2010 11:14 am ET)
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                    Good job at identifying yourself as a troll, and not someone who can be assumed to making an argument in good faith.
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              • Author by vysotsky (January 01, 2010 6:19 pm ET)
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                Floyd, did you read that definition before copying it?

                You've been arguing that madrassah just means school with no religious connotations. As evidence, you just posted a definition stating that a madrassah is... "[a] building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque."

                You just totally obliterated your own argument and your defense of Coulter.
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                • Author by Floyd (January 02, 2010 9:04 am ET)
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                  Yes, I read it. Did you read it before whining? What does the second description say? Here, let me help you out; "(Non-Christian Religions / Islam) Islam an educational institution, particularly for Islamic religious instruction". The nation was 90% Muslim, I think that would qualify as a "Islam educational institution". Even Obama admitted to being taught Muslim theology at that madrasah when he said (in his book): "puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin’s call to evening prayer".
                  Now, if any of you have the b@lls to explain how, learning Muslim theology while in a Muslim controlled country in a government controlled school, that school would not be called a madrasah, I would like to hear it.
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                  • Author by Brabantio (January 02, 2010 11:22 am ET)
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                    Right-wingers love to tout how much of a majority Christians are, yet our public schools are not "Christian educational institutions".

                    If he was being taught theology, why would he have to "puzzle out" the meaning, exactly? Did you notice the contrast between that and "learning the catechism"?
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                  • Author by vysotsky (January 02, 2010 1:10 pm ET)
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                    Floyd, when you're in a whole, stop digging.

                    Yesterday you were arguing that Coulter used the word madrassa as a synonym for school, and that it meant nothing more than "place of learning". In fact, Floyd, you equated the words school and madrassa quite explicitly when you wrote this:

                    "The arabic meaning of the word madrasah is 'place of learning'. Just like if you asked any abortion clinic bomber where they learned they would say 'school', which is the American version of madrasah.
                    [...]
                    I think you need to go back to 1-3 grade school (madrasah) and relearn how to read."


                    But that was yesterday and things change, right, Floyd? Today you're claiming that the word means an "Islam educational institution".

                    We can talk about how Obama actually attended a Catholic school and a secular public school in Jakarta later. For now, maybe you should work on maintaining a consistent position on something as simple as your definition of a word for more than 24 hours.
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                    • Author by vysotsky (January 02, 2010 1:35 pm ET)
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                      Correction: in a hole, not a "whole". Not that you'd have picked up on that, Floyd, but it's important to be precise about how one expresses one's thoughts.
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                    • Author by DellDolly (January 03, 2010 12:16 am ET)
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                      Being consistent isn't important to Floyd. Being a troll, getting us to chase his ridiculous posts around like a dog trying to chase his tail IS very important to Floyd. He just wants attention given to him.

                      I identified him as a troll last week, but everyone (myself included on some occasions) keeps responding to him like he's actually trying to debate a subject.

                      What he's trying to do? Avoid the subject here give him the attention, and stop giving attention to the actual topic, to make US forget what the subject is - that Ann Coulter pushed a discredited rightwing talking point, over which there's actually NO DEBATE.

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        • Author by congero6189599 (December 31, 2009 11:58 am ET)
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          Great take down wzwriter showing how it's done! :-)
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          • Author by wzwriter (December 31, 2009 1:35 pm ET)
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            Thanks. Happy New Year to all the libs out there. The conservative trolls like Cheney 2012, Floyd, right ON, and Tboone Slickens can all go to h*ll.
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            • Author by Missouri Democrat (December 31, 2009 2:07 pm ET)
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              WZ Happy New Year to you as well as all the other libs on here. May 2010 be a lot more calm than 2009!
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            • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 10:30 am ET)
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              Yeah, you gotta appreciate all the love from the liberal side of things. All those liberals who claim to be Christian want conservatives to go to h*ll. Is that because you can't stand anyone disagreeing with you? Perhaps you're afraid of discourse? The problem is (for wz and other libs) you can't muster up the guts to carry on a conversation with conservatives without cussing at them within two sentences. Many would call that closed-mindedness. Me? Well, I would have to agree. (and this is at you wzwriter)> If you can't carry on a simple conversation without cussing at the other person, you simply don't have the intellegence to carry on a conversation. As for the others ... like minds think alike.
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 01, 2010 11:46 am ET)
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                ...like minds think alike (Floyd, 1/1/2010)


                I am in awe.
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              • Author by New Frontier (January 01, 2010 1:15 pm ET)
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                Many would call that closed-mindedness.
                In other words, 'Ann Coulter is right, I'm right, CNN is wrong, ABC is wrong, and all you progressives are wrong. None of you are open-minded like me.'
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              • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 01, 2010 10:21 pm ET)
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                All those liberals who claim to be Christian want conservatives to go to h*ll.

                A massive, 10.0-on-the-Richter-Scale fail at trying to read my mind, little moron. Although I'm sure that you, like most conservative "Christians," want liberals to go to hell. At which I would simply point out what Jesus said about those who judge...
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                • Author by Floyd (January 02, 2010 9:07 am ET)
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                  FTLOE-- At which I would simply point out what Jesus said about those who judge...

                  Uhh, yeah, what does He say about those who judge? (as you judge me to be a moron). You're such a good Christian, explain what happens to those who make such judgements!
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                  • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 02, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
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                    You're such a good Christian, explain what happens to those who make such judgements!

                    To explain slowly, since you obviously spend much more time thumping your Bible than reading it, "judgment" as used in the NT refers to condemning others to hell. As in, "if you proclaim that someone else is going to Hell, guess where you're going." Since I made no such judgment of your divine standing, my opinion stands. And BTW, perhaps you should decide which definition of madrassa you want to use today...
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        • Author by Samurai Cowboy (December 31, 2009 10:25 pm ET)
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          Cheney2012 is obviously a paid RNC hack. But because it is New Years Eve and his handler is out an affair with Ann Coulter and getting drunk enough to do it, Cheney2012 has to make things up on his own with no talking points to refer to.
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      • Author by wookie (December 31, 2009 9:58 am ET)
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        I know you're a conservative and all but even you must have some logic. The public school I went to was predominately Christian but we didn't spend the whole day reading the Bible.
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        • Author by wzwriter (December 31, 2009 10:04 am ET)
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          I know http://mediamatters.org/blog/200912310001you're a conservative and all but even you must have some logic.


          Cheney2012 lost his logic during his frontal lobotomy.
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      • Author by Midnight Kevin (December 31, 2009 10:06 am ET)
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        Guess I'm guilty of attending a madrassa in my youth. I believe the problem with Coulter is that years ago it was claimed that Obama attended radical madrassas. That was debunked but a couple years down the road people are still trying to activate those neural netwoks that make Obama to be some sort of fundamentalist Muslim, and as you can see in Obama's text, his mother was less concerned with religion then they were with education...
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        The Midnight Review
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        • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 10:55 am ET)
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          That was debunked but a couple years down the road people are still trying to activate those neural netwoks that make Obama to be some sort of fundamentalist Muslim,

          Absolutely, sir, with the rather obvious next step being, "well, that's why Obama let a Muslim terrorist underwear bomber get onto that flight in Amsterdam--because he went to madrassas and is one of them!"
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      • Author by RKAllen (December 31, 2009 10:13 am ET)
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        You are wrong, sir. Very very wrong. From the CNN article you so obviously avoided reading...

        The Deputy Headmaster of the school said...
        This is a public school. We don't focus on religion. In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment.
        And a former schoolmate of the President who attended the same public school said...
        It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general. There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school.
        You are trying to use semantics to push a lie. You would have been better off trying defend Ann Coulter because she was not using this as a slight on the President. She was suggesting he use his supposed attendence to a madrassa as a way of connecting himself to the Muslim world. Her intentions were misguided, innacurate, and wrong. Any real Muslim would see right through the lie if Obama attempted to make this clam.
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      • Author by New Frontier (December 31, 2009 10:29 am ET)
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        Looks like Coulter and anyone else who says Obama attended a Madrassa would be absolutely correct as Obama himself says he did and we see the definition of the word.
        Cheney2012 says he went to a public school and then to a predominantly Catholic school.

        Looks like anyone who says Cheney2012 attended a seminary to become a Catholic priest would be absolutely correct as Cheney2012 himself says he did. Never mind that CNN and ABC say it isn't true.
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 31, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
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          Are you saying Cheney2012 attended institutions known for training countless pedophiles?
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          • Author by wzwriter (December 31, 2009 1:37 pm ET)
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            Actually, Cheney 2012 should be institutionalized. :-)
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          • Author by New Frontier (December 31, 2009 1:43 pm ET)
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            Using wingnut mindset for a moment: Cheney2012 may very well have attended and even been mentored by--for years--a church led by a pedophile. After all, he's never denied it.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 31, 2009 3:21 pm ET)
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              I'll have to assume it's true, that Cheney2012 did indeed attend a pedophile training seminary. That would make him perfectly suited for GOP Cult membership.
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          • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 10:49 am ET)
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            CHS-- Are you saying Cheney2012 attended institutions known for training countless pedophiles?

            Well, there you go. The ultimate hypocrisy. You are all claiming discrimination against Islam because terrorists are Muslim, yet you wallow in pride with the fact that a minor percentage of catholic priests are pedophiles and therefor claim all catholic priests are pedophiles.
            Thanks for showing the hypocrit you and your friends are when discussing things you love (terrorism) and things you hate (Christianity).
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 01, 2010 11:53 am ET)
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              New homework assignments for Floyd;

              yet you wallow in pride with the fact that a minor percentage of catholic priests are pedophiles

              Please explain how I would feel pride in the perverted pederasty of Papal predators. Use quotes and examples to support your accusation.


              and therefor claim all catholic priests are pedophiles.

              PLease paste a quote from my comments where I wrote or implied anything remotely like what you're claiming.

              Good luck, Floyd.
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              • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 3:56 pm ET)
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                CHS-- PLease paste a quote from my comments where I wrote or implied anything remotely like what you're claiming

                This could be very embarrassing to you, you really want me to do that? Well, ok. From your last 2 posts:
                "Are you saying Cheney2012 attended institutions known for training countless pedophiles?" (December 31, 2009 1:05 pm ET)
                "I'll have to assume it's true, that Cheney2012 did indeed attend a pedophile training seminary. That would make him perfectly suited for GOP Cult membership" (December 31, 2009 3:21 pm ET).
                Are you talking about only 'some' seminary schools teach pedophilia? Or are you lumping them all together in a couple quick quotes? Because it seems pretty obvious that you are saying ALL seminaries teach pedophilia. And, if you try to deny you said all, you certainly implied all.

                balls in your court ... Don't worry, I don't expect a return.
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                • Author by vysotsky (January 01, 2010 6:27 pm ET)
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                  "balls in your court ... Don't worry, I don't expect a return."


                  I should hope you don't expect a return. The expression is: "The ball is in your court" or "The ball's in your court". "Balls in your court" means something altogether different and hilarious.

                  Floyd, you're quickly becoming my favorite member of this forum for your amazing discursive pratfalls.
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 01, 2010 9:40 pm ET)
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                  Floyd, I was only noting the fact that many priests have been guilty of pedophilia, and I assume they all were trained at Catholic school and seminaries.

                  You wrote that I ;

                  " claim all catholic priests are pedophiles."

                  I was asking you to back up that claim, and you failed again. I never said, nor implied, that anybody taught pedophilia, only that these institutions have trained many pedophiles.

                  Balls on your face.

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                  • Author by DellDolly (January 02, 2010 1:12 am ET)
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                    I sure hope that when MMFA gets back to regular posting of articles, all of you remember what the trolls have been doing this past week...they are trying to stop us from focusing on the actual bad acts, and they love going off topic and acting like fools that we then chase after.

                    The solution is to be aware of them, notice the posts they make, look for patterns, like first posts or replies that aren't actually replies tagged to one of the first few posts on a thread, and nip it in the bud. Briefly explain why their post is off topic, briefly debunk their talking points, and then post a warning to others that it's a troll post. Posters making troll posts HATE it when their troll posts get pointed out. It stops them dead in their tracks. Now, they often tag team with another paid troll poster, and one or both of them will attempt another derailment on the same thread, but it hurts our national debate when we allow them that kind of traction.
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                    • Author by Floyd (January 02, 2010 9:15 am ET)
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                      Yeah, NO going off-topic. Like when dd whined about me discussing what Obama learned in a madrasah. Because everyone knows the topic is the miss-information of mmfa claiming someone said Obama attended a "radical madrasah", which is simply NOT TRUE (and they couldn't even provide proof of it happening in their entire article titled with miss-information). Now, when you're done whining about trolls who talk ON-TOPIC, answer how mmfa can spew such miss-information and each (and every one) of you will lap it up like it's chocalot pudding.
                      So, please dd, post a warning about me trolling. It only makes you look like the miss-informed person that you are. But, you seem to like being miss-informed because you defend everyone who promotes that same miss-information. Well, that IS to be expected ... you are a liberal, after all, aren't you?
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                      • Author by DellDolly (January 03, 2010 12:25 am ET)
                           
                        Yeah, actually I did NOT do that.

                        What I said was that Coulter's bringing up of Obama's schooling had NOTHING to do with the subjects that she and FoxNews hosts were talking about.

                        And I already explained this to you. That makes this a troll post.

                        And we can tell by the baseless personal attacks in YOUR post, claiming that I am misinformed (btw, how can ANYONE who got out of middle school NOT know that the prefix for "not" is "mis", not "miss-"), that you're really irked by my exposing you as a troll.

                        Too bad, so sad.
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                    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 02, 2010 2:46 pm ET)
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                      I sure hope that when MMFA gets back to regular posting of articles, all of you remember what the trolls have been doing this past week...they are trying to stop us from focusing on the actual bad acts, and they love going off topic and acting like fools that we then chase after.

                      I don't quite go along with you there, DD. What (in this case) Floyd is demonstrating is the effect of the right-wing misinformation on substantial portions of the public. Nearly all of us have horror stories of trying to argue points with people who are bound and determined to parrot right-wing trash as if it was truth, and our thoroughgoing dismantling of Floyd and his game of musical madrassa definitions stands as a transcript of the very points we should be using out there in RL whenever we have to deal with RL Floyds. So, in a way, litle Floyd and his galloping idiocy (and our absolute rebuttal of him) actually perform a service...
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                      • Author by DellDolly (January 03, 2010 12:21 am ET)
                           
                        I totally, 100%, vociferously disagree with you.

                        You assume that Floyd actually believes what he's typed. But if that were the case, his 'beliefs' about how to argue this case wouldn't have switched 180 degrees in 24 hours. Only a troll could exhibit that behavior.

                        He wants attention and he wants to derail the conversation as often as possible in whatever way possible. You bought into his act - and that's exactly what his goal was.
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                  • Author by Floyd (January 02, 2010 9:25 am ET)
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                    CHS-- Floyd, I was only noting the fact that many priests have been guilty of pedophilia, and I assume they all were trained at Catholic school and seminaries.

                    Well, you admitted it again, during your denial of saying it. Are you saying all pedophiles are trained at Catholic schools and seminaries? Or, just assuming it. That sounds eerily familiar to the hated conservative statement that 'not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim'. Do you agree with that, also? Or does you mind only allow one type of hatred (of Christianity) but not of terrorism?


                    CHS-- Balls on your face.

                    Obviously, you don't mean YOURS. You don't have any to put on anyones face. Maybe you'll let dd or vosky do your fighting for you. What hole did you hide in during VietNam? Or was it behind a typewriter that you spent your fighting career that you so quickly promote to anyone who doesn't ask! No wonder we lost that war, we had people like you fighting there. People like you who run and hide at the first sign of danger or conflict. Stand up like a MAN and admit what you said! Or, continue being the pu$$y that you are.
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                    • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 02, 2010 1:25 pm ET)
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                      You seem to be getting a bit hysterical, Floyd. I can understand your embarrassment, as this is, quite possibly, the most amazing and spectacular FAIL by a right wing troll I've ever seen at this site.

                      But you are anonymous here, so settle down. For all any of us knows, you're just a lefty with a sick sense of humor playing an idiot.

                      If you are for real, you seem to be desperate and resorting to insults and fabricating completely ridiculous strawmen. You may feel that you've made such an idiot of yourself already that you have nothing to lose, but keep in mind, there's no bottom to the stoopid pit.

                      I was in elementary school during the Vietnam war.I never served in the military, so I'm not sure what "fighting career" you think I'm promoting. Please tell me you're not referring to my screen name and rank, because I think that would out you as a satirist.

                      Now , back on topic. Why don't you try to address things that people actually write, as opposed to thing you imagine or misinterpret that they're saying? That might send the message that you really want to have a discussion, and are not just a brainwashed and dishonest zombie.

                      Also note: sometimes what may seem "off-topic" to you is in reality another poster helpfully providing an example or analogy to help you understand something that you're confused about.

                      Very valuable tip: And again, I'm dead serious, not being snarky- if you've got a rational adult or a bright child anywhere near you, have them go over this entire comment thread, slowly and in detail, with you. Have them explain just how badly you've failed at understanding and arguing, let them explain where you're confused, really focus on your flaws in reading comprehension and logic.

                      Until you do that, there's no point in trying to have a conversation with you.

                      Best of luck, Floyd.
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                      • Author by John Paradox (January 02, 2010 6:01 pm ET)
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                        For all any of us knows, you're just a lefty with a sick sense of humor playing an idiot.

                        Just made me wonder, what does Stephen Colbert's writing crew do during their 'vacations'? "Poe" various websites to keep in practice?
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                    • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 02, 2010 1:30 pm ET)
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                      Here's a good starting point for your little workshop on the road to lucidity;

                      ME: Floyd, I was only noting the fact that many priests have been guilty of pedophilia, and I assume they all were trained at Catholic school and seminaries.

                      FLOYD: Well, you admitted it again, during your denial of saying it. Are you saying all pedophiles are trained at Catholic schools and seminaries?

                      I've bolded some areas to help you along. If you can figure out where you made your mistakes in this short exchange, and post a comment demonstrating that you understand your mistake before comments are closed, you may be ready to move ahead.

                      Good luck, Floyd. I'm rooting for you, little feller.
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                      • Author by DellDolly (January 03, 2010 12:30 am ET)
                           
                        Well, you said "they all were trained", and so he's pretending that you wrote that "all" pedophiles were trained at Catholic seminaries, not just "all" CATHOLIC PRIESTS pedophiles.

                        He's ignoring the first part of your sentence, and by cropping your comment, he's pretending that you claimed that ALL pedophiles are priests!

                        What he's "admitting" is that he's a troll, intent on garnering attention, no matter that it's negative attention, and he's trying, and succeeding, in derailing what should be the topic of conversation.
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        • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 10:44 am ET)
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          The difference being, cheney2012 said Obama attended a Madrasah. Newfronteir says cheney2012 studied to be a priest. If you simply said cheney2012 attended a catholic school then you would be using a correct analogy. But, being a liberal, you inflect your own personal opinion into an attempted factual statement and well, you look quite petty by doing it. Since Obama didn't say what he attended the Madrasah to become, and cheney2012 didn't say what he attended a seminary to become ... your analogy falls flat on it's face. But, all your freinds think it's the bees knees of gospel. Like minds think alike.
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          • Author by New Frontier (January 01, 2010 1:18 pm ET)
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            Since Obama didn't say what [sic] he attended the Madrasah to become

            Obama didn't even say "I attended a Madrasah" to begin with, so your argument falls flat on its sorry, wingnut a$$ right there.
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (December 31, 2009 11:23 am ET)
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        Cheney2012 -

        You're being disingenuous. True, that definition exists, but it's not the commonly understood meaning of madrassa.

        From the same source as your definition: However, in English, the term madrasah usually refers to the specifically Islamic institutions.
        We are communicating in English here, aren't we?
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        • Author by bilbo_dies (December 31, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
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          You're being disingenuous. True, that definition exists, but it's not the commonly understood meaning of madrassa.

          Come on, I don't expect that anyone on this site would be suprised that any troll wasn't being disingenuous, when they weren't spreading outright falsehoods.
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      • Author by The_Cat (December 31, 2009 1:24 pm ET)
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        I generally go to www.m-w.com for my definitions, Cheney2012:

        madrassa: a Muslim school, college, or university that is often part of a mosque.

        So, no. Public schools like the ones that Obama attended in Indonesia cannot be labelled as a madrassa. In all fairness, the word I was defining was an English word, rooted in Hebrew and Arabic. The word you are defining is an Arabic word, and if we accepted that it was your definition that she meant, she could just as easily have claimed that Bush attended a madrassa, couldn't she? But she was speaking English, not Arabic, so your definition is moot.
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      • Author by raddave43 (December 31, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
           
        Madrasah does mean school in Arabic, but Indonesia does not speak Arabic. But if you want to apply the word like that, you could say we all studied in Madrasahs
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      • Author by vysotsky (December 31, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
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        So your contention, Cheney2012, is that Ann Coulter could have used the English word "school" but decided, instead, to pepper her commentary with one Arabic word for no reason whatsoever. That's your defense of Coulter's remarks: she's a big fan of Arabic and just likes to use the word "madrasah" when she means "school"?

        Even if you mean what you say sincerely, there are two big problems with your argument. The first is that if you had copied one more sentence from the Wikipedia entry (that you didn't cite) after the other transliterations you would have found this:
        However, in contemporary English usage, the term most frequently refers to the Madrasah Islāmiyyah, or traditional Islamic school.

        That's a fairly significant detail to leave out of your "definition", don't you think?

        Furthermore, even if you believe that Coulter wasn't using it in its common contemporary English sense but rather just dropping it in for fun, your belief runs contrary to linguistics. When an English speaker uses a markedly foreign word in place of an English word, regardless of whether or not the substituted word has an identical dictionary definition in its respective language, the marked word calls attention to an additional layer of meaning beyond the dictionary definition: at the very least, to its foreignness, and more often to the word's additional associations in the speaker's native language. Comprende?
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        • Author by Brabantio (December 31, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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          Excellent points. Let's note the context as well:
          Andrew Sullivan pointed out, you know, what are these radical Islamists going to do when they look and see the president of the great Satan. And you know, he has brown skin. And he attended madrassas. And he talks about how he's so moved by the call to prayer five times a day. He used to hear in Indonesia. If anyone can say we're going to look for radical Islamists, it ought to be President Obama
          The whole point is that Muslims should identify with Obama. If she meant "madrassas" simply as a synonym for "schools", then it has absolutely nothing to do with what she's talking about. Obama attended schools, therefore that has some influence on how radical Islamists view him?
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          • Author by DellDolly (December 31, 2009 6:44 pm ET)
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            You nailed it. Thanks!
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          • Author by vysotsky (December 31, 2009 7:06 pm ET)
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            Exactly. If Coulter was only using an equal and exactly interchangeable substitute for "school", what does Obama's attendance at a "school" have to do with her argument?

            Any ideas, Cheney2012?
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            • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 10:57 am ET)
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              You don't have to wait for cheney2012. I can tell you what it has to do with her arguement. The arabic meaning of the word madrasah is 'place of learning'. Just like if you asked any abortion clinic bomber where they learned they would say 'school', which is the American version of madrasah.
              Now, you can continue inserting your personal opinion into her statements, but that changes what she said into what you hear. Which, considering this is all in print, it changes what your read into what you think you read. I think you need to go back to 1-3 grade school (madrasah) and relearn how to read.
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 01, 2010 11:57 am ET)
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                Floyd, are you only pretending to be this stupid?

                You're ignoring a question that more than one person has asked;

                Do you think it's reasonable to believe that Coulter suddenly lapsed into a foreign language for no reason at all in the middle of a sentence?

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              • Author by vysotsky (January 01, 2010 3:28 pm ET)
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                "I can tell you what it has to do with her arguement. The arabic meaning of the word madrasah is 'place of learning'. Just like if you asked any abortion clinic bomber where they learned they would say 'school', which is the American version of madrasah."


                Actually "school" is an English word, not a specifically American "version", and has been explained here before, the words "school" and "madrasah" aren't perfectly interchangeable because the common English use of "madrasah" does not mean an unqualified "place of learning" as you claim. (This is not my "personal opinion", this is a linguistic reality noted in the same article that Cheney2012 used to define "madrasah".) The word in common English usage refers to a specifically traditional Islamic school, not just any school.

                As for your example involving the abortion bomber's school history, do you even recognize that you're now arguing against Coulter's point? Did you even read what Coulter said?
                Coulter: "And if anything, I mean -- I mean, they kept using it as a selling point that Obama would throw Islamic radicals on their hind legs when they look up and they see someone who studies with [sic: studied at] madrassas and they see the 'Great Satan' has a president with a brown face and the world is going to love us."

                If "madrassa" and "school" were identical in English usage (as you claim in contradiction to observable fact), why would Obama's school attendance be expected to earn respect from Islamic radicals? As you yourself just pointed out, why wouldn't Obama's school attendance be expected to endear him just as much to radical Christian abortion bombers who also attended school?

                I'm impressed: in an attempt to defend Coulter, you're now undermining her argument completely. Well done, Floyd.
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              • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 01, 2010 5:23 pm ET)
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                You don't have to wait for cheney2012. I can tell you what it has to do with her arguement. The arabic meaning of the word madrasah is 'place of learning'. Just like if you asked any abortion clinic bomber where they learned they would say 'school', which is the American version of madrasah.

                Utter cr@p, little Floyd. It's been pointed out all over this board that when used by an English-speaker in English conversation, madrassa is a very loaded word implying at the very least Muslim indoctrination, if not outright terrorist associations. Even you have noted that madrassa means school, so there is no possible purpose for someone speaking English to other English-speakers to use the word madrassa other than its loaded meaning. I suspect you know this, but want to "have your cake and eat it too," pretending to us that the word has no loaded meaning while being fully prepared to go back to Freeperville and crow that you proved to us that Obama is a raadical Muslim terrorist...
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                • Author by vysotsky (January 01, 2010 6:34 pm ET)
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                  "It's been pointed out all over this board that when used by an English-speaker in English conversation, madrassa is a very loaded word implying at the very least Muslim indoctrination, if not outright terrorist associations."


                  In fact, somebody called "Floyd" offered this authoritative definition for madrassah from the American Heritage dictionary: "A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque."

                  I hope Floyd can resolve this disagreement with Floyd.
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      • Author by rwmacdonald2091 (December 31, 2009 3:03 pm ET)
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        Better shut down Liberty University after all it's an educational institution.

        Wait a minute on second thought it's really not an "educational" institution.

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      • Author by captain_mike (January 01, 2010 12:48 pm ET)
           
        err, Cheney,

        You should publish cites for your quotes, even when it is inconvenient to your falsehoods. Otherwise, you are just another plagiarizer attempting to spin the truth by cherry picking phrases from other sources.

        As so often is done by cherry picking plagiarizers, you leave out the very important qualifier, to wit, from the next sentence of your selectively quoted source:
        "HHowever, in contemporary English usage, the term most frequently refers to the Madrasah Islāmiyyah, or traditional Islamic school"
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah

        As Coulter was speaking contemporary English to a primarily contemporary English speaking audience, not an Arabic one, your weak argument becomes completely specious.

        IOW...you lie.
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      • Author by sluggo (January 01, 2010 8:17 pm ET)
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        My Hero!!!!

        I understand you are charging someone (the Republican Party? Dick Armey?) to post nonsense here and try to derail the discussion, and I am trying to break into the gig you have. Just a few questions:

        1. Did you charge extra to read Obama's book? (Even if you misquoted the book).
        2. Do they pay you by the word or how many responses you get?
        3. Do your posts have to make sense in order to get paid? (Could you just post a bunch of random letters and still get paid?)

        Since you only give half the argument (the implication by Ann that Obama is a Muslim is left out) do they pay your only half?

        I really want to know.
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      • Author by raddave43 (January 01, 2010 9:46 pm ET)
           
        Medrassa is arabic for school, but Indonesia is not an Arabic speaking country. But if one uses your logice, I guess you could all say we studied at Medrassas.
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      • Author by jeff191 (January 02, 2010 4:52 pm ET)
           
        you know you are wrong on this one. you know that she is using the word madrassas the way it is usually used in the west ,as a jihadist training school, run by fundamentalists to indocrinate kids in anti American hatred.if you guys would be honest and admit that usually a madrassa was just a regular school, then there would be no issue.if you pretend that she is being honest with her audience then you know you are engaged in lies
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (December 31, 2009 9:08 am ET)
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      Coulter brings madrassa lie back to Fox News

      When will these yokels stop fearmongeing on people that practice Islam. The flight started in Europe not here in the U.S. The wingnuts will instill fear on the American people to get what they want.

      Listening to Ann Coulter talk is like getting a lobodomy from Hannibal Lecter - You will not have a brain afterwards!
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      • Author by Floyd (December 31, 2009 9:54 am ET)
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        "people that practice Islam"? Do you mean the terrorists or normal people? Because I haven't seen any Christians blowing up airplanes. I haven't seen any Buddhists donning suicide vests and going to the local supermarket. I haven't seen any atheists gunning down innocent men/women/children in the name of allah (or anyone).... have you? You know why they didn't catch that guy before he tried to set off the bomb? Because liberalism refuses to accept that Muslims are the ones (the only ones) directly linked to terrorism. When airports are allowed to single out THAT group to be scrutinized then flying will be safer for all. When grandma gets strip-searched because 'her number' came up, liberalism wins another round.
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        • Author by wzwriter (December 31, 2009 10:03 am ET)
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          How many Muslims were involved with the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing, Floyd??? None. Everyone involved in the plot was a self-identified Christian.

          How many Muslims threw bombs at each other in Northern Ireland? None - again, all Christians.

          Take your anti-Muslim hatred elsewhere, Floyd. It's not welcome here.

          BTW - liberalism always wins when there are losers like you on the other side.
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        • Author by Leftym0m79 (December 31, 2009 10:06 am ET)
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          Because I haven't seen any Christians blowing up airplanes.


          True, but I have seen them blow up federal buildings, abortion clinics and the 1996 Atlanta games, deny people equality under the law, lie us into a war of choice, and gun down doctors that practice legal medical procedures in their own churches. Other than that, they've been hunky-dory.
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          • Author by Floyd (December 31, 2009 10:20 am ET)
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            And all three examples you give; those involved in them are promptly classified as 'Christian'. How many liberals don't segragate(sp?) Christianity OUT of public displays every chance they get? So, your logic is 'conservatives thinking all terrorists are Muslim' is a very bad thing, but 'liberals thinking Christians are murderers' and should be excluded at all times is a good thing? Of course you would rather be in a room of radical Muslims than a room of radical Christians. Because you all know how much Christians hate gays, but Muslims love them. And how Christians suppress women's rights while Muslims allow women total freedom to do whatever they want. And, of course, how Christians teach to physically kill anyone who doesn't convert to Christianity, unlike Muslims who teach peace and freindship to all.
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            • Author by soze169880 (December 31, 2009 10:39 am ET)
                 
              I don't want Christianity to be given preference in public displays in our secular nation, and I don't want Islam to be given preference in public displays in our secular nation. I don't think all Muslims are terrorists, and I don't think all Christian are murderers. Unlike wingnuts, liberals don't think a person's religion tells them everything about them, because they understand that just because a certain cokehead president tells them the entire world is either pure good or pure evil doesn't make it so. Educate yourself.
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            • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 11:01 am ET)
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              How many liberals don't segragate(sp?) Christianity OUT of public displays every chance they get?

              Answer--plenty. Maybe if you stopped getting all your beliefs about "liberals" from Fox News and RedState and AM talk radio, you might have something useful to say. As it is...

              So, your logic is 'conservatives thinking all terrorists are Muslim' is a very bad thing, but 'liberals thinking Christians are murderers' and should be excluded at all times is a good thing?

              Boy, you do love your straw men, don't you Floyd?...

              And, of course, how Christians teach to physically kill anyone who doesn't convert to Christianity, unlike Muslims who teach peace and freindship to all.

              Reference the entire history of the Crusades, Floyd. And what was that little bit about Charlemagne's "baptism with the sword?"...

              Moral: engage brain before putting keyboard in gear, little Floyd...
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              • Author by Floyd (December 31, 2009 9:55 pm ET)
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                Apparently, Christianity moved out of the stone age. Has Islam? You got any recent examples that aren't 700 years old, or are you going to hang on to that one forever? I've got plenty of CURRENT examples of Islam teaching to physically kill another who doesn't convert. Maybe you read about them daily in the paper?
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                • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 01, 2010 5:58 pm ET)
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                  Funny--that's about the age difference between Christianity and Islam, approximately 600 years. I think that goes far toward explaining a few things...

                  How about Pat Robertson, Randall Terry, and other right-wing fundamentalist "Christians" openly praying for the death of liberal justices and politicians? That was the 1980s and 1990s--recent enough for you, little Floyd?...
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                  • Author by Floyd (January 02, 2010 9:33 am ET)
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                    It would be a good example, only they aren't teaching to physically kill, are they? Are you able to comprehend the difference? Maybe we should ask someone who attends a madrasah what Islam teaches about non-conversion. Or, would that only be taught at a radical madrasah? Gee, I get my radical and non-radical madrasah's mixed up all the time. Which one did Obama attend, again?
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                    • Author by vysotsky (January 02, 2010 2:49 pm ET)
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                      Ah, you're speaking of that radical Islamic terrorist indoctrination center in Jakarta, the St. Francis of Assisi Catholic School?
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                    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 02, 2010 2:53 pm ET)
                         
                      It would be a good example, only they aren't teaching to physically kill, are they?

                      Go ahead and pick them nits, Floyd, but to people who believe in the efficacy of prayer, as Paddy and Randy ostensibly do, praying for death--and asking their flocks to do so--is equivalent to trying to kill them, and asking their followers to kill them. And let's not even get into the whole O'Reilly/Tiller deal...
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                    • Author by seroquel (January 02, 2010 9:48 pm ET)
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                      You need some help. Seriously, why would Coulter use an Arabic word for school?

                      If she meant school, then she should've said SCHOOL.

                      Oh yes, there are "Christians" actively praying for Obama's death, "pro-life" people ready to kill abortion providers....
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                • Author by vysotsky (January 02, 2010 1:39 am ET)
                     
                  Ahem.
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            • Author by wookie (December 31, 2009 11:01 am ET)
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              >>We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.>>
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              • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 11:06 am ET)
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                That's war. And this is war.

                As Darth Cheney likes to keep reminding us...
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            • Author by Leftym0m79 (December 31, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
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              Where do I defend Muslims in my reply? I personally wouldn't want to be in a room with any religious zealot. I was just pointing out the obviously glaring hypocrisy in your statement and if you take offense to that, well then that's on you.
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        • Author by Boxer1979 (December 31, 2009 10:06 am ET)
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          It seems like you are turning this into a discrimination issue. Which in turn if you are you just as nuts as the rest of the wingnuts that comes on MMFA. You know what I mean. Every religion has an extreme side to it. It does not matter what they do to cause harm to people. If one or more people of a religion does something wrong, it does not mean to discriminate every person who practice that religion. During WWII the U.S. put Japanese Americans in Internment Camps out of fearmongering! Just the same as it is today or should I say that is what the wingnuts want to do! See the problem is that people do not care (like yourself) as long as it is not happening to them. As soon as it does OH LORD!!!!

          P.S. I am not a liberal, I am a progressive.
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          • Author by shaggles (December 31, 2009 11:25 am ET)
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            Michelle Malkin wrote a book about what a great thing the Japanese internment was.
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            • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 11:43 am ET)
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              ...which should put up on a bookshelf beside the ones where they tell us that black slavery was a good thing for blacks...
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        • Author by Midnight Kevin (December 31, 2009 10:09 am ET)
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          Christian Terrorism
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          • Author by Floyd (December 31, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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            Hmmm, I wonder if the hypocrit (themidnightreview) will post a link to "Muslim Terrorism". Or would that take up too much space to post on-line?
            Let's see...'muslim terrorism' brought 9,600,000 hits on google, while 'christian terrorism' brought 2,000,000 hits on google. I wonder which one the liberal fears the most and will demand they be segregated out of public view?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism
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            • Author by soze169880 (December 31, 2009 10:37 am ET)
                 
              Since you think Wikipedia is such an unimpeachable source, please use it to figure out what the word "segregated" means, and don't come back until you do.
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            • Author by soze169880 (December 31, 2009 10:46 am ET)
                 
              P.S. As long as you're occupied with Teh Great Gazoogle, see how many hits "how to spell hypocrite" turns up.
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            • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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              Oh, I get it. "Christian" terrorists haven't killed as many people (or at least the right people), so they're A-OK with you, little Floyd...
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            • Author by MrPlow99 (December 31, 2009 11:05 am ET)
                 
              Just because you and your fellow wingnuts live and wallow in your own fear, don't pretend to know what we liberals fear.
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            • Author by Ruby (December 31, 2009 11:49 am ET)
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              Floyd,
              I don't think that anyone here is trying to make the argument that Christian terrorism and Muslim terrorism are equal threats, or are responsible for an equal number of deaths or anything like that. I think the point mostly being made here is that any religion, regardless of what the true message of that religion is (because, obviously, most Christians, including myself, would say that their religion carries a message of love) can be perverted and manipulated to support terrible violence and promote hatred.

              Think about it this way: In America, a teenager from a fundamentalist Christian home could decide one day that he/she wanted to go to the library and check out a book on Islam, because they were just curious to see what it was all about. It's not as if a Muslim teenager in a village in some poverty-stricken, war-ravaged village in the middle east could one day say, "I think I'm gonna check out Mere Christianity cuz I kind of want to see what this whole Christian thing is about".

              Because we had the great fortune to be born American citizens, we have the freedom to make up our own minds. We are not forced to believe anything. We gather the information from books or television or individuals of different faiths or whatever, and then we make up our own mind. A child born into a radical Muslim family in the Middle East doesn't have that opportunity. They are fed, from birth, a distorted version of reality that feeds the message of hate. And that is all they ever know. They never have true freedom.

              Imagine if America was not a free country, don't you think that radical Christians could much more easily force their message of hate on others?
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              • Author by ScienceBuff (December 31, 2009 12:05 pm ET)
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                Excellent points. I'd like to add that the freedoms to which you refer that prevent christianity from being radicalized in the US to a large degree are the result of the Secular nature of American laws. It isn't anything inherent in the christian religion.
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              • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 12:07 pm ET)
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                Beautiful, Ruby ma'am. No one could put it better...
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 31, 2009 1:17 pm ET)
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                I second that, Ruby. In short, Christian extremists in the U.S. are not as great a threat as Muslim extremists in the Middle East, and that's mostly thanks to the secular societies they live in.

                It's the moderate Christians and atheists who protect our religious nuts from themselves.

                I'm going to give Floyd a pass here, though. While I believe Cheney2012 knows he's lying, and is just insulting people here by playing dumb and thinking he can fool us, Floyd seems to actually be pretty stupid. Floyd thinks Cheney2012 makes sense.
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 31, 2009 2:30 pm ET)
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                  I would actually go a step further and say that Mulsim extremists who are Americans pose less of a threat than Muslim extremists from the Middle East. I think if you look at terrorist attacks across the world, they seem to have a difficult time finding natural born Muslim citizens in America who will carry out terrorist attacks. They can find them in the Middle East and they can find them in Europe, but it is not so easy in America.

                  This is because we enable immigrants and their families to become a part of the system. They can become full-fledged citizens with a voice and rights. And, once you are a part of the system you may rail against its faults, you may speak out against its shortcomings, but you do not want to destroy it. This is a valuable lesson we should keep in mind when comparing our immigration laws with the rest of the world. There are some things about immigration that we do better than anyone else and always have.
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                  • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 31, 2009 3:19 pm ET)
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                    Good points, I do see a lot more talk about destroying America from the teabagger types than I do from Muslims in this country.

                    Of course, the dilemma for them is in trying to destroy America while defining themselves as the only Real Americans. That's why they need to pretend some radical change has taken place over the past year, and frame their America-hating as wanting to restore the country to some mythical historical utopia.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 31, 2009 3:52 pm ET)
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                      "Of course, the dilemma for them is in trying to destroy America while defining themselves as the only Real Americans. That's why they need to pretend some radical change has taken place over the past year, and frame their America-hating as wanting to restore the country to some mythical historical utopia." - Col.

                      Enter Glenn Beck and the teabaggers....
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                    • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 4:23 pm ET)
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                      That's why they need to pretend some radical change has taken place over the past year, and frame their America-hating as wanting to restore the country to some mythical historical utopia.

                      That is exactly why these tools aren't conservatives, but rather, radical reactionaries; they want to turn back the clock, so to speak, when men were men, women were chattels, and blacks were 3/5 of a human being...
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              • Author by LeroyTheRoadie (December 31, 2009 2:13 pm ET)
                   
                I support and agree with what you say about how we're better off within our borders because of our secular society / laws, but this whole fiasco of our troops in Muslim lands has, from the very beginning, smacked of Holy War to me because of Bush's "Christianity" and the support he had/has from Religious Right.

                For me, the icing on that cake was the hiring of Blackwater/Xe. The allegations about Eric Prince being a "Christian" soldier are just that, allegations, but I would not be surprised one whit to definitively learn that the man felt called to eliminate Islam from the world. And that company was AND IS operating IN MY NAME, but does not answer to the Chain Of Command?

                SO WRONG...!!!!!!!

                Why is it so hard for the Conservatives to admit that our foreign / military policy is beyond counter productive...? Is it because they actually lust for war, and what could be better than Holy War (since god is on your side)...?

                Sounds like the ideology of another radical group...

                Can we just give them all explosive underwear and send them off somewhere safe to a big circular bed for an orgy of death?
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              • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 11:13 am ET)
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                ruby-- It's not as if a Muslim teenager in a village in some poverty-stricken, war-ravaged village in the middle east could one day say, "I think I'm gonna check out Mere Christianity cuz I kind of want to see what this whole Christian thing is about".

                I appreciate what you're saying, ruby. However, in your analogy you said an American teenager could do what they want, but then compared that teenager to an impovershed, war-ravaged Muslim teenager. If you had said any Muslim teenager in the middle east didn't have that opportunity then I could see your point (but that would prove mine to be correct). If the fundamentalist Christian teenager had grown up in an impovershed/war-ravaged village, do you think they would be allowed the same freedoms as one who didn't?
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            • Author by political_left-religious_right (December 31, 2009 11:56 am ET)
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              Hmmm, I wonder if the hypocrit [sic] (themidnightreview) will post a link to "Muslim Terrorism".

              Excuse me, Floyd, but you said

              Muslims are the ones (the only ones) directly linked to terrorism.
              (my emphasis)

              When midnight posts a counterexample, he's not being a hypocrite, he's simply shooting down your argument. In short, you lost. If you can't deal with it like an adult, then pack up and try harder on a different thread.
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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 31, 2009 1:18 pm ET)
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                Not to mention that Floyd thinks posting a link to something with more examples would take up more space than any other link.
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        • Author by RKAllen (December 31, 2009 10:25 am ET)
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          You can't be this dense... ever seen pictures of these people?

          [http://www.sevenseasresort2.com/Images/prev42.jpg]

          I defy you to say that this was not a Christian terroist group.
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          • Author by Floyd (December 31, 2009 10:38 am ET)
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            And the guy on the front/right in the picture...is that Sen. Byrd? Wasn't he a member of that group? Now he is the leader of the democrats. I wonder how many times Byrd participated in events that you are clearly invoking happened many times by this group. THE group Byrd was THE leader of.
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            • Author by soze169880 (December 31, 2009 10:40 am ET)
                 
              No one is talking about Robert Byrd. Stick to the subject or go back to Free Republic, troll.
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            • Author by princeofwheels (December 31, 2009 10:50 am ET)
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              Floyd, you seem to be getting little nervous trying to defend Coulter..I think you realize she meant madrassa as a slur..if not, Freeperville beckons you to return home.
              And I thought you were the little one to the right of the leader.
              I wonder how many inncoent Muslims have been killed in the MidEast in the name of Christianity?
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            • Author by RKAllen (December 31, 2009 10:58 am ET)
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              And the guy on the front/right in the picture...is that Sen. Byrd? Wasn't he a member of that group?
              That's your response to my question? Linking Senator Byrd's association with the KKK nearly 60 years ago? You are trying to avoid the linkage that this group has to Christianity by trying to reveal to us, which I believe all of us are aware of by now, that we have one amongst our own ranks? You are using transference and avoidance to save yourself from having to answer my question.

              I wonder how many times Byrd participated in events that you are clearly invoking happened many times by this group.
              If you have information as to the criminal behavior of Senator Byrd's activities as they relate to the Klu Klux Klan I would be happy to hear them.

              THE group Byrd was THE leader of.
              He was never leader of the KKK. He was voted the leader of his chapter. He has also denounced his ways as youthful stupidity, regrets his involvement with the group, and has served his community and the people of his state and this country in a manner befitting a Senator.
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              • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 11:15 am ET)
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                If you have information as to the criminal behavior of Senator Byrd's activities as they relate to the Klu Klux Klan I would be happy to hear them.

                More to the point, RK, if he actually had any such information, he would be more than happy to tell you...
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              • Author by congero6189599 (December 31, 2009 11:46 am ET)
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                I love it when a con gets caught with his foot in his mouth,with Floyd it's every post.
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                • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 12:09 pm ET)
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                  I wonder if there's a treatment for oral athlete's foot...
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                  • Author by John Paradox (December 31, 2009 4:12 pm ET)
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                    Would that be athlete's mouth?

                    (Also considering professional athletes who have made some truly dumb statements...)
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                • Author by The_Cat (January 01, 2010 1:19 pm ET)
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                  Floyd must be pretty flexible to get his foot in his mouth, considering where his head is stuck...
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              • Author by Brabantio (December 31, 2009 1:44 pm ET)
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                I find it highly amusing that the defense for "The KKK is a Christian terrorist group" is essentially "Senator Byrd! That's the guy we've been decrying as a horrible person for the last fifty years because he belonged to this organization!" Um, right. The whole basis for the criticism is that the KKK is a Christian terrorist group. If right-wingers don't think the KKK is so bad, then why have they been talking about Byrd for so long?
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                • Author by The_Cat (January 01, 2010 1:22 pm ET)
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                  Exactly, Brabantio. Bringing up Senator Byrd's membership in the KKK 60 years ago is just fine, but us godless libruls really need to LEAVE GEORGE BUSH ALONE, 'cuase it's, you know, in the past and all. Even though we will be digging out from under the steaming pile he left behind for quite a long while.

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            • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 11:11 am ET)
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              I defy you to say that this was not a Christian terroist group.

              Didn't answer the question, I see, little Floyd--just deflected it to another stale old reference about someone who has been vocally and repeatedly repentant about his association with the Klan back in the day. You still have time to actually answer the question, little Floyd...
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              • Author by DellDolly (December 31, 2009 1:48 pm ET)
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                I read "deflected" as "defecated" at first.

                With Floyd, it's the same difference, ain't it?
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 31, 2009 1:21 pm ET)
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              Floyd, Sen. BYrd was involved with the KKK quite a long time ago. About the time the Pope was involved with the Hitler Youth.

              You're out-FAILing Cheney2012 here, and that's no easy feat.
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              • Author by DellDolly (December 31, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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                Well, he's done a pretty good job of derailing the thread, which IS the aim of his efforts.
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 31, 2009 2:03 pm ET)
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                  I don't believe Floyd is that calculating. I think he really is as confused as he seems to be.
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                  • Author by New Frontier (December 31, 2009 2:18 pm ET)
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                    I'd agree. Myths like the beloved madrassa one die hard amongst the Floyds and Cheney2012s, and they must be resuscitated. Hurts to see them debunked. So they come here to revive their precious, and then when that inevitably doesn't work, they flee the premises.
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 31, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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                    I agree, Colonel. I am giving Floyd the benefit of the doubt. He seems every bit as stupid as he claims to be. Happy New Year, Floyd!
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            • Author by seroquel (January 02, 2010 9:55 pm ET)
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              Seriously-that's a Christian terror group, Floyd.

              And instead of admitting that is an example of terrorists of the Christian persuasion, you bring up Sen. Byrd, who renounced that lifestyle decades ago.

              You don't debate, you deflect or change the subject. Fail.
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        • Author by soze169880 (December 31, 2009 10:50 am ET)
             
          Oh, yeah, I'm sure you're a huge fan of civil rights for atheists and Buddhists. How intellectually honest of you.
          P.S. Yes, I'm a liberal and I refuse to accept that every Muslim in the world is "directly linked to terrorism", because it's not true. What of it?
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        • Author by political_left-religious_right (December 31, 2009 11:48 am ET)
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          Because liberalism refuses to accept that Muslims are the ones (the only ones) directly linked to terrorism.

          Way to go, Floyd. You've just personally prevented Sean Hannity from mentioning William Ayers ever again.
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          • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 12:11 pm ET)
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            Until little Floyd tells us that Wiliam Ayres is a Muslim...
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            • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 4:46 pm ET)
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              I guess being a professor precludes him from being a terrorist. Isn't that what you liberals call him ... a professor? Either way, I have no control over SH or what he says, but I'm glad you think I have that much control over the media.
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              • Author by vysotsky (January 01, 2010 6:06 pm ET)
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                2010 isn't even a day old and already it's looking like a bad year for you, Floyd.

                You wrote: "Because liberalism refuses to accept that Muslims are the ones (the only ones) directly linked to terrorism."

                The only ones. That claim can be tested easily. So: is William Ayers a terrorist, and is he Muslim?
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              • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 01, 2010 6:08 pm ET)
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                You were the one posting that only Muslims are terrorists:
                Muslims are the ones (the only ones) directly linked to terrorism.


                Hence, little Floyd, since you also claim that Ayres is a terrorist, you must also be claiming that he is a Muslim, since you yourself said above that only Muslims are terrorists. You really do need that nap, little Floyd...
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              • Author by political_left-religious_right (January 02, 2010 1:40 pm ET)
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                I guess being a professor precludes him from being a terrorist.

                Two marks of being a total loser on these boards:

                1. You move the goal posts, and still can't score;

                2. Even none of the other neocons will support you.

                Honestly, Flawed, if you aren't man enough to admit you goofed with that asinine statement of yours ("Muslims are the only ones..."), then why do you think you should harbor any credibility around here at all?
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        • Author by worrierking (December 31, 2009 1:04 pm ET)
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          You are aware that the most of the world's Muslims don't look like Middle Eastern people, right?

          Your idea of who is a terrorist are similar to your opinion of what liberals believe.

          In both cases, you allow your ignorance to trump reason.
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        • Author by mikehuck1976 (December 31, 2009 2:22 pm ET)
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          "Because liberalism refuses to accept that Muslims are the ones (the only ones) directly linked to terrorism." - Floyd

          Now, this is a perfect example of the special kind of stupid that endangers us all.
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        • Author by vysotsky (December 31, 2009 5:09 pm ET)
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          "You know why they didn't catch that guy before he tried to set off the bomb? Because liberalism refuses to accept that Muslims are the ones (the only ones) directly linked to terrorism."

          Floyd, "that guy"'s own father tried to warn officials that his son should be considered a legitimate threat, and his name got dumped into a pile and lost with all the people who matched a "profile".

          And your brilliant solution is to add EVERY Muslim's name to the list.
          "Singl[ing] out THAT group" at airports means scrutinizing about one quarter of the world's human population, which will do nothing to help a situation like this one.

          This has absolutely nothing to do with liberalism. You're indignant at the idea that grandma's privacy will be violated, but only if your grandmother isn't Muslim, yeah? Consider how much more anger you'd feel if your mother happened to be wearing a burqa out of religious custom when she was being patted down and scanned -- all the while knowing that she's harmless and only being subjected to additional scrutiny because of political pressure to target her religion rather than individuals?

          I thought that conservatives believed in individualism rather than collective categories of identity, yet you're arguing for treating all Muslims identically. Now why would that be?
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          • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 8:18 am ET)
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            vysotsky--I thought that conservatives believed in individualism rather than collective categories of identity, yet you're arguing for treating all Muslims identically. Now why would that be?

            Well, the problem we have is that terrorists also dress up in burqas to gain entrance where they usually would not be allowed to go. When terrorists start dressing up like my grandma in N. Dakota then I'll say; start watching old-Christian-grandmothers-that-are-obviously-not-terrorists. However, in the current situation, grandmothers are considered equal to terrorists and scanned and patted down just as (if not more) frequently. Uhhh, what are the odds of catching a terrorist dressed as a grandmother from N. Dakota? So, yes, it has everything to do with liberalism. That is the group that cries "foul" whenever a Muslim is looked at 'crooked-eyed' by authorities looking for terrorist who always happen to be Muslim. How do you feel about 'profiling'? Does it work or not?
            If my grandmother wears a burqa into an airport I would be more angery if she wasn't scrutinized. At least then I'd know the airport security are doing their jobs to prevent another terrorist plot. It seems they will be 'patting down and scanning' the same number of people, at airports. Why would 'patting down and scanning' only those who fit the profile slow anything down? As you suggest it would. I would suggest it would actually speed things up, unless you're flying out of Iran or Pakistan or Yemen or Somolia or Saudi Arabia, ect.. Do you think we should watch for grandmothers from N. Dakota at those airports?
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            • Author by RKAllen (January 01, 2010 10:42 am ET)
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              How do you feel about 'profiling'? Does it work or not?
              How do you "profile" a religion? Answer that question first, and then we will get into whether it works or not.

              If my grandmother wears a burqa into an airport I would be more angery if she wasn't scrutinized. At least then I'd know the airport security are doing their jobs to prevent another terrorist plot.
              And while security is focused on targeting a specific group based on a "profile" the enemy has hired and/or recruited members who do not fit that profile to carry out their plots. And terrorists from other groups who are not being targeted baecause they do not fit a "profile" enjoy less scrutiny when going through security.

              Your attempts at closing a security gap leaves gaping holes elsewhere. I also believe that you are not interested in making travel safe. I think you are trying to make things so difficult for muslims to travel that they will just avoid it all together or at the very least limit it to necessity.

              I am guessing that you would probably be happiest if Muslim travellers had their own airline... or better yet their own airport.
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              • Author by Floyd (January 01, 2010 11:38 am ET)
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                RKA-- And terrorists from other groups who are not being targeted baecause they do not fit a "profile" enjoy less scrutiny when going through security.

                Well, let's see if that is true. The latest event (Christmas day) the suspect is mid-20's? No luggage? Middle easterner? Does he fit the profile? Well, who else is going to travel to another continent without luggage? Sorry, your excuses for terrorism fall flat this time.


                RKA-- I am guessing that you would probably be happiest if Muslim travellers had their own airline... or better yet their own airport

                It wouldn't make a difference, they blow up their own stuff too. The thing about terrorists is they think the world is against them and are out to destroy it. You liberals are fighting harder against global warming than you are against terrorism. In fact you support terrorism by your very nature. You must be proud to be an American ... you and your freinds (here) are free to support terrorists at all opportunities.
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                • Author by vysotsky (January 01, 2010 3:43 pm ET)
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                  "Well, let's see if that is true. The latest event (Christmas day) the suspect is mid-20's? No luggage? Middle easterner? Does he fit the profile? Well, who else is going to travel to another continent without luggage? Sorry, your excuses for terrorism fall flat this time."

                  Wow.

                  Well, Floyd, let me be the first to inform you that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab if from a country called Nigeria, and that Nigeria is located in West Africa, not the Middle East.
                  Richard Reid, the "shoe bomber", was born in South London. (You should know that South London is in a place called England, which is not in the Middle East either.)

                  While we're speaking of terrorist profiles, Jose Padilla -- the so-called "dirty bomber" -- was born in Brooklyn, which is in a country called "The United States of America", which is also not in the Middle East.

                  As for flying without luggage, not only have I flown without checking luggage in the past, but I try to do so whenever possible. In fact, it's common practice for business travelers to ship their luggage to their destination rather than check it.
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                  • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (January 01, 2010 5:31 pm ET)
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                    One-More-Time!...

                    What little Floyd's saying, of course, is that he wants everybody profiled but the white folks. Nigerians, Caribbean islanders, and Hispanic-Americans don't look like little Floyd, so he's just hunky (or is that honky in his cse?)-dory with profiling them...
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                  • Author by John Paradox (January 02, 2010 6:12 pm ET)
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                    In fact, it's common practice for business travelers to ship their luggage to their destination rather than check it.

                    I used to know a guy who worked with a 'transportation' company from the airport, carrying either passengers to various areas (hotels, etc.) locally, or delivering luggage. The luggage was either 'lost' luggage (the old joke of 'your luggage is en route for Paris' e.g.) or 'shipped' luggage. Often the 'shipped' arrived before the 'lost' (there's actually some sense there...) and the person would be reunited with their luggage long before the 'lost' luggage turned up.

                    clarification below: by 'last' war, the meaning is 'previous' and should have been worded that way.
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            • Author by John Paradox (January 01, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
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              When terrorists start dressing up like my grandma in N. Dakota then I'll say; start watching old-Christian-grandmothers-that-are-obviously-not-terrorists.

              1) you are saying you know for a fact that "terrorists" are not using people who appear to be your grandma (or planning to use such)?
              2)So, only after we lose (or nearly lose) a planeload of people to a pseudo-grandma, we should consider checking for pseudo-grandmas?

              Reminds me of the saying that The Military Is Planning For The Last War.
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            • Author by vysotsky (January 01, 2010 4:18 pm ET)
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              "When terrorists start dressing up like my grandma in N. Dakota then I'll say; start watching old-Christian-grandmothers-that-are-obviously-not-terrorists."


              If you can invent a Radical Muslim Terrorist Detecting Machine, by all means, be my guest. But until the invention of such a device, I should remind you that Islam is a religion, not a physiological feature, and most Muslims are not terrorists. To put it bluntly: your grandmother looks no more like a Christian than she does like a Muslim, because no one looks like a religious affiliation. Keep in mind that Richard Reid, the 2001 "shoe bomber", was born to English and Jamaican parents, and he didn't exactly fit the profile or "look the part".

              "How do you feel about 'profiling'? Does it work or not?"

              How I feel about it is absolutely irrelevant. This isn't a question of my opinion: it's simply an irrational practice and demonstrably ineffective in this case. Here's the "profile" you offered:

              "The latest event (Christmas day) the suspect is mid-20's? No luggage? Middle easterner? Does he fit the profile?"


              "Mid-20's"? Define "mid-20's". Mohamed Atta was 33 years of age on September 11th, 2001. Hamza al-Ghamdi, Ahmed Ibrahim al-Haznawi and Salem al-Hazmi were all 20 years old.

              "Middle easterner"? Richard Reid -- the 2001 shoe bomber -- and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab were not from the Middle East.

              "No luggage?" As I pointed out in an earlier comment, many fliers frequently travel without baggage. It's not the norm, but it's hardly a proxy for terrorism.

              The effectiveness of profiling pales in comparison to real intelligence: like, for example, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's own father informing authorities that his son might be a threat.
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    • Author by worrierking (December 31, 2009 10:08 am ET)
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      Is Breibart suggesting that Hollywood make pro-war movies?

      If there were a market for that type of movie, they'd be making pro-war movies.

      During WWII the nation was united. America knew who their enemies were. We were at war with Germany, Japan and Italy. Every family had a stake in the outcome.

      The movies made during WWII were certainly propaganda, but it's what the country wanted. In 1941, most abled bodied men either volunteered or were drafted into the fight.

      Today's wars effect very few families. There are no enemy countries to invade and no enemy camps to attack. We're fighting religious fanaticism.

      If the country believed in the wars we're fighting, all of us or our children would be involved in the fight and Hollywood would make the type of movies they made in the early forties.

      The last time I checked, young bedwetters like Breitbart are not themselves suiting up for the wars they sell. His older sycophants, like Coulter and Drudge, all talk a good game, but have never done anything except cheer from the sidelines.

      Reminds me of another famous cheerleader and evader.


      [http://magpo.blogs.com/davesblog/images/bush_cheerleader.jpg]






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      • Author by IRONY 101 (December 31, 2009 10:34 am ET)
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        I wonder if Bush had a Texas accent when he attended Andover...
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 31, 2009 1:27 pm ET)
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        NIce post, Worrierking. I'd mark it as required reading for Floyd and Dick, except that it may have to be translated into a series of grunts and chirps, with some fluttering flags thrown in.

        Or at least transcribed to a third grade reading level.

        Happy New Year to you and everybody at MMFA, even the trolls, upon whom I wish a clearing of the fog in 2010, and a jump start to the grey matter.

        Tak a right guid-willie waught for me.
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        • Author by worrierking (December 31, 2009 1:33 pm ET)
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          I will Colonel, maybe even more than one.

          Happy New Year to all!

          And may...

          [http://www.sharielf.com/gifs/dog-bless-am-2.jpg]


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      • Author by leftofwhat (December 31, 2009 6:56 pm ET)
           
        Is that Wally Cleaver?
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    • Author by princeofwheels (December 31, 2009 10:53 am ET)
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      I'll bet Annie would face to the east and pray to move up one.(Reference Mr. Limbaughs' health report)

      She was out there right away to prove she can be the best hater the Regressives have. They'll all be making their pitch for the number 1 slot.
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      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 11:19 am ET)
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        I could picture her, your highness, sitting by her TV hoping that Oxy Man kicks off so she can take over his show...
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    • Author by shaggles (December 31, 2009 11:09 am ET)
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      The madrassas thing is not accurate and may have been intended as a dig but I don't see it as that big of a deal. Primarily what this is is another case of a right wing blowhard saying that President Obama should act like a Republican and (in this case) support racial profiling. The argument she's making is that it would be more acceptable to the Muslim world if this came from President Obama but she's wrong and she's lying when she says she would vote for him if he did it. (She once claimed she would campaign for Hillary if McCain got the Rep nom too.)
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      • Author by soze169880 (December 31, 2009 11:14 am ET)
           
        Exactly. Which (and this is rare for Ann) is more stupid than it is racist. OUR GUY WON. YOU DON'T GET TO TELL HIM HOW TO GOVERN.
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      • Author by princeofwheels (December 31, 2009 11:32 am ET)
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        She has proven that she can and will vote anywhere and anyway she pleases. One thing about Annie, she did vote. And that is the best compliment I can give her.
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    • Author by t2dangj0 (December 31, 2009 11:45 am ET)
         
      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1043

      When are you leftist liberal going to get it? People don't like the liberal media. Thank goodness FOX is there to tell it like it is. President Obama was not elected because everyone thought he was qualified. He was a elected by default. As intelligent as he is, the country would have voted for anyone else but BUSH (or anyone associated with him). It does not matter what kind of attack the left throws out or hide from the public, this country has never lean towards the left, nor it will ever lean completely to the RIGHT. It is obvious that America definitely VIEWS FOX as the source of Fair and Balanced news reporting. BTW, O'Reilly is not a conservative. Ha ha Eric Boehlert is an idiot for making such a dumb prediction. I am going to make a prediction that FOX will dominate the ratings again in 2010.
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    • Author by congero6189599 (December 31, 2009 12:03 pm ET)
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      Toasting! Pain for my sham friends and champagne for all my liberal-commie-socialist friends . Have a very healthy happy and prosperous new year.
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      • Author by political_left-religious_right (December 31, 2009 12:46 pm ET)
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        I'll second that, congero, but I'll be doing it with orange juice. Of course, ordering such a drink is damning evidence about how "out of touch" I am, but I'll weather it.
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 31, 2009 1:28 pm ET)
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          I call champagne "Freedom bubble juice".
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          • Author by vysotsky (December 31, 2009 4:10 pm ET)
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            I prefer to call it "Fizzy Liquid Freedom Campaign" so that I can maintain the rhyme in songs.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (December 31, 2009 7:30 pm ET)
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              Good idea. " I get no kick from Fizzy Liquid Freedom Campaign..."
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    • Author by DellDolly (December 31, 2009 2:19 pm ET)
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      Last night on The Rachel Maddow Show, Rachel beat down Dick Cheney and others who were going after Obama WRT this recent terrorist attack. She bemoans the fact that journalists too often are mere transcriptionists rather than fact-checkers. The FoxNews guy didn't correct Ann Coulter either day she spread this fearmongering about Obama in a madrassa. Rachel said that Cheney used "the attack as an opportunity to bash the President, to accuse the President of not keeping America safe." That's the same thing that Coulter did! Rachel says that the right is overplaying their hand. I hope she's right in the case of Cheney AND Coulter.

      These folks are sick. They are hypocrites who behaved in a similar way to Obama over the shoe bomber. They are liars who try to tar Obama with the stigma of 'associating with terrorists' by saying that he was close friends with Bill Ayers and that he attended a madrassa, neither of which is true. They are dishonest when they attack Obama for waiting 3 days before commenting on this event, when Bush waited twice as long with the previous aborted shoe bomber terrorism attack.

      Ann Coulter's baseless smear collapses, as Rachel says, in the "face of even rudimentary fact-checking!" But Coulter and Cheney don't seem concerned by that, because they've been given credibility they don't deserve on national security matters.

      And that's why MMFA covers these kinds of comments - because journalists and others GAVE credibility to Republicans when they haven't proven they deserve it! And they continue to prove that they don't LEGITIMATELY deserve it now even more now!

      I'd encourage you to listen to Rachel Maddow's commentary from last night. It's 10 minutes or so, but it's worth it. The link at the top of this post is video and audio, and this link is the full transcript and the video.
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      • Author by DellDolly (December 31, 2009 2:46 pm ET)
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        And Dan Pfeiffer put down Obama's critics in a White House blog post - who knew the White House HAD a blog? Pfeiffer is the WH Communications Director. Here's one thing he said on that posting after Cheney's remarks, and they fit for anyone critical of Obama WRT this recent failed attempt at terrorism, including Coulter.

        "To put it simply: This President is not interested in bellicose rhetoric. He is focused on action," Pffiefer wrote. "Seven years of bellicose rhetoric failed to reduce the threat from Al Qaeda and succeeded in dividing this country. And it seems strangely off-key now, at a time when our country is under attack, for the architect of those policies {my edit - and the rightwing hacks who dishonestly promoted them}to be attacking the President."

        Dan Pfeiffer also said in that same blog post....

        "There are numerous...public statements that explicitly state we are at war. The difference is this: President Obama doesn’t need to beat his chest to prove it, and – unlike the last Administration – we are not at war with a tactic (“terrorism”), we at war with something that is tangible: al Qaeda and its violent extremist allies. And we will prosecute that war as long as the American people are endangered."

        Coulter falsely implies with her Madrassa remarks that Obama has a close relationship with radical Muslims because of the school he went to as a young child. He doesn't. He has a close relationship with reality, and diplomacy, and logic, and processes that will work to lessen the risk to our nation.
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        • Author by cugagcmu805031 (December 31, 2009 6:57 pm ET)
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          I read this also, Dell Dolly, and I think what has some of the teabaggers, conservatives, and republicans in such a tizzy regarding President Obama is that he exemplifies what a CIC and POTUS should be and refuses to play their game. They rant and rave and holler, he lets them, and they end up exposing their unpatriotic, childish way of responding to and handling serious issues to all who are paying attention.
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          • Author by DellDolly (January 01, 2010 12:46 am ET)
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            Yup, I agree. And one of the reasons he didn't jump up and respond immediately to the Christmas attack was because he isn't childish!

            If we are a student of politics over the last 2 decades, what is clearly obvious is that the Republicans have learned to attack their opponent's strengths and try to turn them into weaknesses.

            One of Obama's strengths is that he didn't have a perfect, easy childhood. Despite some things that could have put him off track, he is very level-headed and a very patriotic American. Despite the fact that he had a muslim-by-birth father and an agnostic mother and a Muslim stepfather, as an adult, he CHOSE to become a very active practicing Christian!

            Getting exposed to a variety of types of people at a young age, like at the school he attended in Indonesia, does nothing but GOOD for someone!

            They are desperately trying to turn this advantage into a disability.
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        • Author by leftofwhat (December 31, 2009 7:09 pm ET)
             
          Good investigation Dolly.If more of these repugs did the same,their rhetoric would be more tolerable.Happy new year jita.
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      • Author by worrierking (December 31, 2009 3:38 pm ET)
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        And the truth of the matter is the only president and vice president who have definitely not kept America safe are the pair who allowed nineteen men, most from the favored nation of Saudi Arabia, to enter the US and perpetrate the deadliest terrorist attack ever.
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        • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 4:00 pm ET)
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          And then have their loyal sheep screech about how "Bush kept us safe from terrorism"--as if the anthrax attacks were just a figment of our imagination...
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    • Author by indictgwbush (December 31, 2009 2:37 pm ET)
         
      I have no guilt whatsoever when I say that the world would be a much better place whithout the likes of coulter,limpballs,inshannity,beck,savage and any bulls##t artist troll that attempts to infect this site with their idiocy. If they all expired in extreme pain, it could only serve to improve the collective United States gene pool.
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    • Author by mustardman (December 31, 2009 3:36 pm ET)
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      Has Coulter finished the last phase of becoming a man or is she just taking the hormones for now?
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      • Author by vysotsky (December 31, 2009 4:06 pm ET)
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        There are so many legitimate reasons to criticize Coulter, do you really have to insult fine upstanding transsexuals by comparing her to them?
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        • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (December 31, 2009 4:25 pm ET)
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          But you know, vysotsky, it does give a new meaning to the phrase "man up," especially as it applies to Ann... :o)
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        • Author by leftofwhat (December 31, 2009 7:17 pm ET)
             
          I live in Trinidad,Co and it is the sex change capital of the world.She would be more than welcome here.Folks in Trinidad do not judge those that have these changes.Annie baby could learn a lot about tolerance here,but I'm not so sure they could handle the final result.
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    • Author by TheSarge (January 01, 2010 10:56 am ET)
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      Ann - "And like I say, Obama can be doing more than Bush. He is specially situated that way, as having gone to madrassas as a child, not being a white male, which is, you know, the height of political incorrectness, but just the contrary, we're moving in exactly doing the -- making -- repeating the worst mistakes of the Bush administration."

      Mistakes? You mean like invading Iraq for no reason while ignoring the Taliban in Afghanistan, secretly detaining people without charge for indefinite periods while ignoring their civil rights, and stealing two elections? Those mistakes? Or were there some other, worse mistakes you were referring to Ann? Oh, you must have meant the who sub-prime mortgage mistake. The one that collapsed the house of cards Bush was calling an economy. Yeah, that was a pretty big mistake.

      Too bad for you Obama hasn't repeated any of those mistakes, Ann. Now look sad and say: "Buh?"
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    • Author by pahalik (January 01, 2010 9:12 pm ET)
         
      Why would anyone believe anything posted on this site since only "approved" comments are allowed? Is this not the definition of censorship?

      All idiots are welcome to reply.
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    • Author by DeirdreFlanagan6 (January 02, 2010 7:51 am ET)
         
      Sadly, the right wingnuts can only replay old tunes to beat their tired drums. This is an attack against ALL U.S. citizens not specific party affiliates. When will the opposition acknowledge this?
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    • Author by jeff191 (January 02, 2010 4:47 pm ET)
         
      Hollywood is afraid to do a movie about terrorist threats. I have seen my share of movies where Arabic peoples are portrayed as blood thirsty radicals intent on our destruction
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    • Author by coldteablues19577325 (January 02, 2010 7:13 pm ET)
         
      "Y-A-A-A-W-N" Ann is so last year's (and the year before that ... and the year before that ...) news. Move on people.
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    • Author by Eyeball Kid (January 02, 2010 10:40 pm ET)
         
      Coulter's reigniting of "the lie" is orchestrated by the right wing propaganda network. Coulter just doesn't spontaneously appear on multiple occasions, on FoxNews, and, from out of the blue, repeats a lie. She gets publicity, she generates interest in her and Fox's following, and she keeps the red meat coming into the minds of a few million Fox watchers. It's great for business.

      The tragedy of it all is that those who salivate for this tripe don't know that they're being played like a fiddle. I guess that's why they're called "nutbags."

      Coulter and Hannity and the like know exactly what they're doing. They're generating income. Because in their eyes, it's all entertainment.
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