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On race, Beck's record speaks for itself

January 05, 2010 1:39 pm ET by John V. Santore

Yesterday, I was honored to find one of my old blog postings highlighted by Glenn Beck. Beck decided to open 2010 on a defensive note, attempting to dismiss all criticisms of his broadcasts as baseless personal attacks. Wishing to rebut charges that he was racially insensitive, he quoted from a County Fair post I wrote last September titled, "Beck, Jones, and race." The piece ended with the following two lines, which he read on air:

It seems clear that to Glenn Beck, individuals like Barack Obama and Van Jones are African-American before they are anything else. And for him, that appears to be a major cause for concern.

Then he offered his response: "Nothing could be further from the truth."

The content of my posting, which Beck chose to ignore entirely, consisted of a list of recent statements from the host that led me to conclude that, as I wrote, "Beck is obsessed with race and seems deeply uncomfortable with minority Americans in general, especially those in positions of power." The examples mentioned included the following:

  • In February 2009, Beck pushed the idea that Mexican immigrants want to "reclaim" California and Texas.
  • In May 2009, he called Sonia Sotomayor a "racist" on at least three separate occasions.
  • That same month, in an attempt to portray Sotomayor as an unqualified affirmative action pick, Beck dismissively referred to her as "Hispanic chick lady."
  • In June 2009, Beck said Obama was elected because of his race instead of his policies.
  • On the July 22, 2009, edition of his radio show, Beck portrayed the Democratic health care reform effort as "the beginning of reparations," a theme he repeated on both his Fox News and radio shows on July 23, saying on his radio program that Obama plans to "settle old racial scores through new social justice."
  • On July 27, 2009, Beck stated that he believes Obama "has real issues with race."
  • The next day, he said Obama had "exposed himself as a guy" with "a deep-seated hatred for white people."
  • On July 29, 2009, he defended his remarks, stating once again that, "I think the president is a racist."

My September post also referred to an August 24, 2009, profile Beck put together on Van Jones, in which he went out of his way to portray Jones as a black militant. The piece came not long after an August 11 broadcast during which he said:

BECK: I want to talk to you about the green movement root. I couldn't figure out why the green movement -- here is Van Jones. This is a convicted felon, a guy who spent, I think, six months in prison after the Rodney King beating.

It was perhaps the single biggest lie Beck told about the former administration official. Jones was arrested in San Francisco (not Los Angeles) during a peaceful protest related to the 1992 Rodney King verdict, which had occurred several days after the riots ended. Jones was released after a few hours and was later awarded compensation as part of a settlement of a class-action lawsuit against the police alleging they had illegally arrested numerous individuals. The idea that Jones was a "convicted felon" who had spent months in prison was ludicrous -- and yet Beck didn't correct the accusation until December 4.

The August 24, 2009, Beck profile reviewed the episode as well, and the graphics Beck chose speak volumes. He first selected an unattributed and undated image of Jones talking to a police officer.

He then superimposed that image over video footage of flaming wreckage from the L.A. riots even though -- to reiterate -- Jones was not in LA and his arrest did not occur during a riot.

The intent, especially within the broader context of the piece, was obvious: to portray Jones as a dangerous and radical black militant.

And Beck's attitudes on race and ethnicity show no signs of changing. In December, he said that the Ganges River "sounds like a disease," and then, seeking to belittle Jamaica, claimed that he had never heard of current Olympic record holder and Jamaican national Usain Bolt. "I don't even know what flag that is," he said. "It's like a vacation country. Is that Jamaica? Does anybody know?"

These are but a few of the many instances during which Beck has appealed to the fears and prejudices of certain members of his white audience. His actions are as deliberate and premeditated as they are indefensible. Beck may wish to deny such a charge, but his record speaks for itself.

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    • Author by nerzog (January 05, 2010 1:44 pm ET)
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      Beck has appealed to the fears and prejudices of certain members of his white audience


      That's what he's paid to do.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 1:51 pm ET)
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      Beck has said he grew up in the "whitest of white" towns in which there were practically no black people. I have a recollection of Beck saying words to the effect that, presently, he did not have any African American friends because he was afraid, and certain, that he would say something which they would take the wrong way racially, and therefore he could not feel comfortable, or speak comfortably, around them. Those remarks pretty much nailed it for me in terms of Beck's views about black people. Beck knows little about black people yet has strong preconcieved ideas about them.
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      • Author by timetravler100 (January 05, 2010 2:05 pm ET)
           
        This is why people often choose (if given a choice) to associate with similar others. People, especially blacks tend to be offended by nearly anything, if coming from a non-black.
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      • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:06 pm ET)
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        He also claims not to have many Jewish friends for the same reason . . . he is a racist.
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        • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:07 pm ET)
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          Well, bigot would be a more accurate description because it encompasses racism, sexism, etc. Every "ism" that Beck represents, in other words.
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    • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 1:52 pm ET)
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      None of the instances you mention above make Beck a racist.

      Sotomayor suggested that a Latin woman has more insight than a white man. Nothing racial about that, I guess.

      Obama attended a church that preached that whites created AIDS to kill blacks. Nothing racial about that, I guess.

      Frankly, John V. Santore appeals to the fears and prejudices of certain members of his liberal audience, who are eager to label any opponents to their ideals as "racist," whether they are racist or not.
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      • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:05 pm ET)
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        Yes, Dorky doodle, they DO. The fact that you don't see it, shows that you, too, are a racist.

        You have misquoted Sotomayor. Read the quote in context.

        You really should just fess up and drop the facade.
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        • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:14 pm ET)
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          No, I'm not racist. I actually believe in fairness, and if a man hasn't come out and said overtly racist things, I'm not willing to label him racist. I just don't think that the instances brought up make Beck racist. If determining whether Beck is racist or not is based on reading in to his comments so much, I don't think that is sufficient evidence to label someone as racist.

          In what context is it ok to assume that one's race makes their decision making better than that of another race? Would it also be OK for a white man to say that he would make better judgments than a minority woman?

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          • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 2:17 pm ET)
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            Your willful disregard for context makes you a liar, as do all the lies you write.
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            • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:20 pm ET)
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              In what context is it OK to assume that one's race makes their decision making better than that of another race? Would it also be OK for a white man to say that he would make better judgments than a minority woman?
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              • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 2:27 pm ET)
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                But you haven't even quoted anyone, you race-baiting liar.
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                • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:29 pm ET)
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                  "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would, more often than not, reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life." Sotomayor

                  In what context is it OK to assume that one's race makes their decision making better than that of another race? Would it also be OK for a white man to say that he would make better judgments than a minority woman?
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                  • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 2:33 pm ET)
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                    You're still willfully omitting the context, you silly race-baiting liar.
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                  • Author by Ruby (January 05, 2010 3:08 pm ET)
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                    Sotomayor's quote was referring specifically to cases involving discrimination against minorities.

                    However, she later stated that her choice of words was poor, and she apologized for that statement.

                    I just felt it was incredibly ridiculous for Beck and co. and basically the entire rest of the MSM to focus pretty much all their attention on that one sentence she said ten years ago, and completely ignore the fact that she was the most qualified nominee in 70 years.

                    Now answer me this...you don't think it's degrading for Beck to refer to Sotomayor, the most qualified judicial nominee in 70 years, as "hispanic chick lady"? Do you think he would refer to a white male judicial nominee in a similarly degrading manner?

                    You don't think there's racial overtones to Beck assuming that an african-american president's policy is going to be dictated not by what is best for the country but by a racially-motivated desire to achieve reparations?

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              • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:28 pm ET)
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                Read the quote in context with the ENTIRE SPEECH, dork. Taking it out of context would be like Hannity taking a speech by Obama which says, "Many people believe that the United States is the devil incarnate, but I don't believe that is true," and shortening it to say [as he does very often] "Many people believe that the United States is the devil incarnate . . . that is true."

                Context is EVERYTHING.

                And, yes, you're a racist if you don't believe that what Beck says is racist, sexist, bigotted.
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                • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:31 pm ET)
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                  So it's OK to denigrate another race, particularly a majority race, as long as it is done to encourage minorities. That's the context, right?
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                  • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:34 pm ET)
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                    There was no denigration. Read the entire speech, dork. As an English major from that liberal-leaning university Evergreen, you should have better comprehension skills. I know that your punctuation and grammar skills are lacking, but comprehension is pretty basic for an English major.
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                    • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:51 pm ET)
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                      And somehow Latinos are better equipped than whites to make good decisions? Are the also better equipped than blacks?
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                      • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:53 pm ET)
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                        Context, dork, context. Read the speech.
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                        • Author by lede39571545 (January 05, 2010 6:15 pm ET)
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                          K1dork is just what his/her handle states, a DORK and less than intelligent to boot - unable or unwilling to think about the box; less known outside the box.
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                  • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 2:34 pm ET)
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                    She wasn't attempting to denigrate another race. She was speaking of relative experiences which shape how we approach problems.
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                    • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:51 pm ET)
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                      And somehow Latinos are better equipped than whites to make good decisions? Are the also better equipped than blacks?
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                      • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 2:58 pm ET)
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                        She was referring to her background...a minority woman without a lot of money who had to struggle to succeed.
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              • Author by ScienceBuff (January 05, 2010 2:30 pm ET)
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                Sotomayor didn't say it was the RACE of the woman that would make a difference, she said it was her EXPERIENCES that would provide the wisdom. There is no way to read her words honestly and come to any other conclusion.

                Do you believe a judge's experiences are irrelevant to his/her wisdom? That would be foolish.
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                • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:32 pm ET)
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                  "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences..."


                  If it was just about EXPERIENCES, then why include WISE LATINA?
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                  • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:35 pm ET)
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                    Context, dork, context.
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                  • Author by ScienceBuff (January 05, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
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                    She was specifically referring to the experiences of a Latina woman with the wisdom to gain from those experiences. Furthermore, she was applying it to only certain areas of judgment, not making a generalized statement that applied to all things.
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                    • Author by ScienceBuff (January 05, 2010 2:40 pm ET)
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                      Here is the entire lecture. Can you actually read it (the "wise Latina" statement comes on page 5) and find serious fault with it? Can you read it and find racism in it? In full and in context, no rational person could.
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                    • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:52 pm ET)
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                      And somehow Latinos are better equipped than whites to make good decisions? Are the also better equipped than blacks?
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                      • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:54 pm ET)
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                        You didn't read it, did you? Why won't you read the speech with your quote IN CONTEXT? Are you skeered that it might prove that you are WRONG??????
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                      • Author by MrPlow99 (January 05, 2010 2:56 pm ET)
                           
                        Ah, (willful) ignorance is bliss, isn't it, dork?
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                      • Author by ScienceBuff (January 05, 2010 3:01 pm ET)
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                        Are you trying to be this dense, or is it natural? She stated very clearly that it wasn't the ethnicity that makes the difference. She said it was the experiences.

                        She was making the point that the Latina woman would have had experiences in her life that a white man would not have. Those statements are entirely factual and indisputable. She also went on to state that in certain types of cases those experiences could give an individual insight that one without them would lack, and that a wise person could properly apply that insight.

                        It's really not that difficult a concept for someone of normal intelligence and honesty.
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                        • Author by DellDolly (January 05, 2010 3:51 pm ET)
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                          He's a troll trying to derail the thread. He gets negative attention, and the true topic, that Beck can't legitimately deny his record on race, gets lost in the shuffle.
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                          • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 4:04 pm ET)
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                            No, he's not a troll, DellDolly. Read his posts better . . . he's a jerk and a well-known jerk at that, but he's not a troll.

                            For the record, just because these folks disagree with you, doesn't mean they are trolls, they just disagree with you.
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                            • Author by DellDolly (January 05, 2010 6:50 pm ET)
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                              I don't need your advice that I read his posts better.

                              I disagree that you understand his motives.

                              And my position that he's a troll has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, ever, whatsoever to do with someone agreeing or disagreeing with me! What a ridiculous thing for you to have typed!

                              He acts like a jerk - I don't disagree with that. Some trolls act like jerks in order to derail threads. I think that YOU need to learn what different types of trolls there are on the Internet.
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                              • Author by bintx (January 06, 2010 8:27 am ET)
                                   
                                I would say that we don't need your advise, either, DellDolly, but you give it freely and frequently.

                                As I said, this person isn't a troll and what I typed isn't ridiculous. You call anyone a troll who disagrees with your idea of how someone should respond on a forum such as this.

                                I'd suggest that you stop telling everybody on this forum what they may say and to whom they may say it. Personally, I think that YOU'RE a troll.
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                          • Author by New Frontier (January 05, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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                            I don't believe he's out to derail the thread. But he is quite the enamored, fanatical (and hypersensitive and masochistic) fan--if not employee, friend or family member--of Glenn Beck.
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                            • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 5:58 pm ET)
                                 
                              Or the Beckster himself.
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                            • Author by DellDolly (January 05, 2010 6:54 pm ET)
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                              For sure he's a big fan of Beck - likely either a paid troll OR a paid employee whose job it is to monitor this site.

                              But it's clear from all the evidence that he's out to derail the thread. Just go back and read his posts - he's not trying to discuss the topic here - ever - he's doing his best to ALWAYS avoid the topic, and he'll go off any tangent he can possibly find! That's always been his pattern.
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                              • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 7:34 pm ET)
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                                Simultaneous ignorance of and defense of Beck's obsession with race is not all that big a derailment, though.

                                K1dork is a liar, as is Beck. In their twisted world, Beck can refer to a US Supreme Court Justice as a "Hispanic chick lady" and he can somehow do this free of resentment for non-whites.

                                Beck. K1dork. Liars.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 2:20 pm ET)
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            ...I don't think that is sufficient evidence to label someone as racist.

            By what standard of proof exactly...? We are not in a court of law.

            On the other hand, Glenn Beck uses fantastic leaps of logic, causation and connection to label people all sorts of bad things...where he is simply interpreting "evidence" in a way to suit his bootstrap argument.

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            • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:27 pm ET)
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              Sure, if it is someone's opinion that somebody is racist, they don't need "court of law" standards of proof to think so. And when there is NO OUTRIGHT racism (which Beck has NOT displayed) there can be disputes on rather or not someone is racist.

              I think Beck's opponents do the EXACT same thing you just said about Beck. Such as, Beck thinks Obama is racist, so...Beck must hate all black people and is a racist himself.
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              • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:29 pm ET)
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                C'mon, fess up.

                BTW, your arguments are bogus.
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                • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:34 pm ET)
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                  Right, and your argument of simply calling someone who disagrees with you racist is scholarly.
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                  • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:36 pm ET)
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                    Nope . . . lots of folks disagree with me, dork, the overwhelming majority of them aren't racist. Beck is a bigot. Nothing scholarly about it.

                    Your arguments are bogus.
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                  • Author by The_Cat (January 05, 2010 5:21 pm ET)
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                    Got a serious question for ya, k1dork. What exactly would Beck (or Limbaugh or Hannity or etc. etc.) have to do to prove to your satisfaction that they were, in fact, racist? Every time a minority is involved, Beck drags race in. Every time. Same with Limbaugh. Every time.

                    So, what is the magic hurdle? Where does the line lay?
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              • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 2:32 pm ET)
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                There's no evidence that Obama is racist...and the conclusion that Obama is racist comes from a man (Beck) who is so cluless about black people he's afraid to even be around them.
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                • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:35 pm ET)
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                  Obama just thinks that "typical" white people are afraid of blacks on the streets.

                  That's what he said about his grandmother, and that is as good as any of the "evidence" used to call Beck racist.
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                  • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
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                    My 97 year old grandmother is a typical white person of her generation. She is not a racist, but she does hold to some cultural stereotypes of her generation, just as Obama's white grandmother, who raised him and loved him, btw.

                    There is a difference, but you are too intellectually hamstrung to understand.
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                    • Author by New Frontier (January 05, 2010 2:47 pm ET)
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                      Is dork the one who claims he's black? Because a black person who denies that people of an older generation had certain ingrained attitudes about blacks is being totally disingenuous if not utterly dishonest.
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                      • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:56 pm ET)
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                        Yeah, he's a black man in a biracial marriage with a white woman who is also an English major from Evergreen University who has been living in the Pacific Northwest for a bit.

                        He also mainly posts on Beck threads and usually doesn't show up until Beck is on the air . . . except today when it was noted that he never shows up until Beck is on the air and that he never posts on any non-Beck threads. Guess he was afraid his cover was blown.
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                      • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 4:14 pm ET)
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                        I'm not denying that SOME people had those attitudes. I'm taking issue with him implying that it was "typical" and that "typical white people" feared blacks on the streets.
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                        • Author by New Frontier (January 05, 2010 5:11 pm ET)
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                          Typically, white people of that generation did have a fears of, and prejudices about, blacks. If you don't believe that, you're not black.
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                        • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 05, 2010 5:31 pm ET)
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                          Aw, because it was atypical for white people in their 90s to be afraid of black people? You are incredibly out of touch with reality, dork. You act as if open racism happened thousands of years ago. You are either purposefully obtuse or a true Becker that worships at his altar of ignorance.
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                  • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 2:42 pm ET)
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                    Well...then Beck strikes me as pretty typical. Here's a man who takes a gun to a movie?

                    And, once again, that's not exactly the correct context of what Obama said. You are simply lifting buzz words which, if presented a certain way, could tend to inflame less sophisticated people...such as FOX viewers. Or people who are clueless and uncomfortable about black people in the first place...
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                    • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 4:16 pm ET)
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                      We can't have a discussion about anything without somebody accusing the other of taking something out of context. I get the freaking context of what Obama was saying, OK. I still think he is wrong to suggest that "typical" white people of his grandmother's generation are afraid of blacks. Period.
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                      • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 05, 2010 5:31 pm ET)
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                        I don't think you even understand the word context. You have made that very clear.
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                  • Author by magnolialover (January 05, 2010 2:50 pm ET)
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                    He never said that about his grandmother, it's another quote that you have taken out of context.
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              • Author by worrierking (January 05, 2010 2:33 pm ET)
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                You're being redundant, repetitious, repetitive, recurrent and boring.
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            • Author by timetravler100 (January 06, 2010 11:30 am ET)
                 
              This sounds like you're describing the case for man-caused global warming! lol
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          • Author by Capt Ayhab (January 05, 2010 3:41 pm ET)
               
            k1dork,
            Only another racist like you would try to defend overtly racist remarks of a bigot like Glen Beck.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 2:08 pm ET)
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        In my observation it is Glenn Beck who is preoccupied with race, gratuitously interjecting it, either directly or impliedly, for no apparent reason. It is indeed easy to conclude that Glenn Beck has a problem with black people...particularly in light of his remarks about black people that I set out above.
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        • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 2:13 pm ET)
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          And...unfortunately there are no diagnostic tests such as a CT scan, or an autopsy after death, which might confirm that a person is indeed a racist. But I think Beck's own words demonstrate that he is so uncomfortable with black people that it suggests some deeper-seated feelings and attitudes towards them which are disturbing.
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          • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:19 pm ET)
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            Let me get this straight. You can conclude that about Beck, but somehow Beck can't make a similar conclusion about Obama, given some of the things he said about his white grandmother, and the fact that he attended a church for 20 years that taught that WHITES CREATED AIDS TO KILL BLACKS?
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            • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 2:24 pm ET)
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              Since you're a liar, I won't ask you to provide any of Obama's actual statements that you're calling racist. I also won't ask you to quote something racist said by Obama becuase I know you can't do it, in large part, becuase you're a liar.
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              • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:36 pm ET)
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                I think that white people can consider the comment by Obama that "typical" white people of his grandmother's generation are afraid of blacks to be racist.
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                • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 2:41 pm ET)
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                  The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know - there's a reaction in her that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. What makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling less like that. And that's pretty powerful stuff


                  You are a liar.
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                  • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:45 pm ET)
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                    "She is a typical white person..."

                    Are you kidding me!? Nothing racial about that.
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                    • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 3:06 pm ET)
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                      Racial...? Or racist? Beck says "RACIST!"
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                      • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 3:11 pm ET)
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                        He's probably in studio by now and won't be able to reply for a while.
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                      • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 4:19 pm ET)
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                        I can see how some might think it is racist. I wouldn't fault one for thinking that way, seeing that many white people of that generation were also working against discrimination and such.

                        So to say that "typical" white people all felt the way Obama's grandmother allegedly did CAN be racially divisive.
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                        • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 05, 2010 5:34 pm ET)
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                          Yes, it was the typical white person in their 90s fighting for equal rights and the atypical white person in their 90s that was afraid of black people. So, now you don't know what the words context or typical mean. Well done.
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                        • Author by pilotx (January 05, 2010 5:52 pm ET)
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                          You have to admit that his grandmother's generation lived in a time when it was legal to discriminate against people of color, illegal to marry interracially and there was widespread violence and discrimination. I would agree with his statement. Anti-Black attitudes were "typical" and yes we should applaud the efforts of numerous whites who fought for equal rights but as Dr. King once said "after a while silence equals complicity".
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                        • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 9:06 pm ET)
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                          I can see how some might think it is racist.


                          Yet you can't glean any bigotry from Beck's "Hispanic chick lady" term used to refer to a US Supreme Court Justice.

                          My God you are one stupid liar.
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 05, 2010 5:33 pm ET)
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                  We know you do, dork. You believe that people are reasonable to believe that anything Obama or Sotomayor or any other black person has said is racist. You just don't believe it is reasonable to believe that anything Beck has said is racist. We all know what you are. A Becker.
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                  • Author by pilotx (January 05, 2010 9:43 pm ET)
                       
                    Not just a Becker, this is a common theme. I saw it start about 10 years ago when I would point out something I thought was racist but was called a racist myself. I find it funny that Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter and O'Reilly can say outrageously bigotted comments regularly and they are ignored but Warren Ballentine makes a comment and immediately is labled a racist. I'm starting to think conservatives are either obtuse or just liars. BTW, for those who don't think there is still racism do what I do, go to ANY news website that has a story about ANY person of color and read the comments. Now, when you read these comments imagine you have a 9 year old child of color and ask yourself if you want your child to read these comments. Let me know how the experiment goes.
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            • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 2:24 pm ET)
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              Beck interprets "evidence" in a way to suit a predetermined conclusion. For example, I find nothing offensive about Barack Obama's remark about his grandmother when taken in the context in which he intended it. Further, Barack Obama made it perfectly clear that he was not Jeremiah Wright...that he did not share Wright's views. Considering there are many reasons people stay with a particular church I have no reason to doubt Obama.
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            • Author by worrierking (January 05, 2010 2:36 pm ET)
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              You don't know a god damned thing about white grandmothers.

              I resent you're coming here and implying that Barack Obama's statements about his white grandmother were racist.

              I thought you were black? I'm not. And many of the white grandmothers I've known are racists.

              So please stop commenting on things you know nothing about.
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              • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 4:20 pm ET)
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                Wow. Um, the comments are at least racially divisive. There were many white people who were not racist who stood with blacks against discrimination.

                My problem with Obama's statement is that it paints the racially divisive behavior of SOME whites as being TYPICAL of whites.
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                • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 05, 2010 5:36 pm ET)
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                  No, you're problem is you are in love with Glenn Beck. You have pledged your undying allegiance to him and you will defend his indensible comments no matter what. You have chosen Beck over country and Beck over civility and Beck over honesty. You are a Becker. Enjoy it.
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                • Author by worrierking (January 05, 2010 6:09 pm ET)
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                  It just so happens that the president's grandmother is as old as my father. My mother was three years younger than my father. My mother had three brothers and three sisters. My father had two sisters and a brother.

                  Each of these people married with the exception of my father's older sister who became a nun.

                  Except for my aunt, the nun, each and every one of my parents, aunts and uncles were not just suspicious of other races but they were racists. All of their friends were racists.

                  When I married my wife's parents, aunts and uncles were all racists.

                  They all lived in the same neighborhood and when I married I bought a house there. All of my neighbors were racists.

                  I moved my family to another state. The people I worked with and the people in my neighborhood were racists. My wife and I were shunned because we allowed our children to play with children of other races. We invited them and their parents into our home. We visited their homes.

                  My wife and I worked hard at insuring our children would be more tolerant. Our hard work paid off. We broke the familial trend towards racism.

                  My wife died, I remarried. My new wife came from another state and a family of racists. All of the people she grew up with were racists.

                  We moved to another state, and not all of the people we know are racists but too many are.

                  Those who aren't tend to be younger.

                  Can you please show me where the people from that generation who aren't racists are?

                  My parents, uncles and most of my aunts are gone as are the parents, aunts and uncles of both of my wives.

                  My siblings and those of my wives have struggled to overcome the way we were raised. To most of my generation, it was easy to beat. We fought beside, worked with and lived with people who we were taught from a young age to hate. Most of us pledged that it would end with our generation.

                  To see a chickenhawk drug addict like Beck or Limbaugh stoke the fires of racism angers me. They and their defenders are despicable.





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                  • Author by pilotx (January 05, 2010 9:50 pm ET)
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                    I applaud your honesty. There are so many "tea partiers" who tell me they saw no racism at their events. At least I know my paranoi is justified;-)
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            • Author by sleepy joe (January 05, 2010 5:23 pm ET)
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              Let’s not forget when Obama said the police acted stupidly even when he admitted he didn’t know the facts.
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              • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 5:55 pm ET)
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                A clue . . . the policeman DID act stupidly. Once he had verified that the professor was in his own home, the cop should have apologized for the inconvenience, turned around and LEFT the premises. He was the irritant in the situation. Instead of defusing the situation by LEAVING, he aggravated it by arresting a homeowner in his own home.

                Obama's remarks had nothing to do with racism just plain old common sense.

                Try again.
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            • Author by pilotx (January 05, 2010 10:04 pm ET)
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              Once again this is an issue of context. Rev. Wright never taugh anyone that AIDS was created by whites to kill Blacks but he was commenting on the common belief in the Black community AIDS was created by the GOVERNMENT. Now the context part, many believe this because in the past the government was responsible for many occurances to Black people they deemed "dangerous". The government was involved in illegally monitoring Dr. King, the Panthers, Malcolm X, the Nation of Islam, Marcu Garvey and here's the kicker, they were responsible for allowing Black men to suffer the symptoms of syphilis to study the results. This was called the Tuskegee Experiment. Now with this a a backdrop is it so impossible to believe HIV/AIDS was a biological weapon that was released into certain communities to test it? While I don't believe this if we were to find out in the future it's true I wouldn't be shocked. While our community may believe conspiracy theories at a larger rate we do have a historical reason to do so. If one understands the Black community then one can understand what the Rev. was saying.
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        • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:17 pm ET)
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          So what if he thinks he has to walk on egg shells regarding blacks? That doesn't make him racist. I can understand that sentiment of Beck's, and I don't think it makes him racist.

          Everyone isn't as cultured as liberals, who seem to think they can speak for blacks, whether they grew up knowing many blacks or not.

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          • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 2:29 pm ET)
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            So what if he thinks he has to walk on egg shells regarding blacks? That doesn't make him racist. I can understand that sentiment of Beck's, and I don't think it makes him racist.

            And you're entitled to opinion. However, IMO, Beck is admittedly clueless when it comes to black people...and his discomfort with black people is IMO revealing of deep-seated problems he has with black people. In the context of my life expereinces and observations it appears to me that Beck would be happy if he never had to come in contact with black people. Okay...so you say that still doesn't make him a racist? Regardless, he should keep his moth shut about race relations if he is so freakin' clueless.
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            • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:38 pm ET)
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              Would you feel "right at home" and comfortable in an urban ghetto?

              Maybe you should watch the Mad Real World skit from the Chappelle Show.
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              • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 2:46 pm ET)
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                I think it's human nature to not feel comfortable in unfamiliar situations and surroundings. With that said, however, I've been to "The Projects" and "ghetto" areas on many occasions...and I'm still alive.
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                • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:54 pm ET)
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                  Good for you, but you just said "I think it's human nature to not feel comfortable in unfamiliar situations and surroundings."

                  SOunds like what Beck was asserting, to me.
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                  • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 3:01 pm ET)
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                    SOunds like what Beck was asserting, to me.

                    Not to me...it doesn't. I don't feel uncomfortable around black people. I get along well with black people from all walks of life. I don't shun black people because I'm afraid I'm going to say something to offend them...which is what Beck says.
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                    • Author by IRONY 101 (January 05, 2010 3:04 pm ET)
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                      I know I'll probably regret revealing this, but...

                      A few months ago I went to a funeral, alone, for a black friend I hadn't seen in a few years. The funeral was in a black church in a poor, black section of town. I was the only white person there.

                      Somehow I can't picture Glenn Beck feeling 'comfortable' under the same circumstances...that's my point.
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              • Author by pilotx (January 05, 2010 9:55 pm ET)
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                It's conservatives who seem to be uncomfortable about being around Black people. O'Reilly didn't know we could eat like humans and Beck won't hang around me because he doesn't know how not to offend me. Here's a clue Glenn DON'T SAY ANYTHING OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have a suspiscion that Keith Olbermann doesn't have a problem hanging around with sistas and brothas. I'm sure he and Stuart Scott went for beers after work. Rachel Maddow co-hosted a show with Chuck D. for years with no problems. And we all know Bill Maher doesn't have a problem hanging with Black folks, especially Black women. I guess "it's a conservative thing, you wouldn't understand".
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          • Author by worrierking (January 05, 2010 2:37 pm ET)
               
            Yet, you seem to be fine speaking for whites.
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            • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:39 pm ET)
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              Really? How so?

              By calling for fairness, and not thinking that racism is the culprit in every issue that involves race?
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              • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 05, 2010 5:37 pm ET)
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                Fairness has nothing to do with what your calling for. Add fairness to the list of words you seem unable to understand.
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      • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 2:13 pm ET)
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        You're a liar.
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        • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:32 pm ET)
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          Yes, he is. He's here a bit early, guess he didn't have much prep time today.
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          • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 2:37 pm ET)
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            Remember when he claimed to be a black man and he kept working "bro" into every other sentence. I wonder what happened to "bro".
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            • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:42 pm ET)
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              Yep, and "dude."

              I figured it out a while back. I loved the "English major" story. LOL!
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            • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:43 pm ET)
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              I was trying to be civil. Calling people bro, was supposed to show that I'm hear to discuss, not argue. You had nothing but insults for me, so I dropped the bro. We're not bros.
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              • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 2:46 pm ET)
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                Well, I'm nobody's "bro" or "dude." I told you so, and you continued to call me both of those things. You're not here for discussion, you're here to defend . . . .
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              • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 3:06 pm ET)
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                I was trying to be civil. Calling people bro, was supposed to show that I'm hear to discuss, not argue.


                No you weren't, you were trying to sound black. Liar.
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                • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 4:24 pm ET)
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                  Saying bro is not an exclusive black term. Hulk Hogan says "bro" and "brother" all the time. I guess he's trying to sound black.
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                  • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 05, 2010 5:38 pm ET)
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                    Ahh, you were trying to sound like Hulk Hogan. You are precious, dork.
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                    • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 5:48 pm ET)
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                      I think he's channeling Zach Galifianakis's character from The Hangover. Oh my.
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                  • Author by worrierking (January 05, 2010 6:13 pm ET)
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                    If you want to take Hulk Hogan, we won't complain.

                    Tell you what, we'll throw in Chuck Norris, Jon Voight and Dennis Miller to sweeten the deal.
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      • Author by New Frontier (January 05, 2010 2:39 pm ET)
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        None of the instances you mention above make Beck a racist.
        Note that MMFA doesn't call Beck a racist. MMFA says Beck is obsessed with race, and they give several examples of why this is true.

        Beck, on the other hand, freely tosses about the "racist" accusation--at the President and at a Supreme Court Justice.

        Why are you defending a person who does something like that, unless you agree with Beck?
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        • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 2:44 pm ET)
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          I can understand where Beck is coming from. I can understand how he could reach those conclusions about Sotomayor and Obama, given some of their own actions and comments.
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          • Author by New Frontier (January 05, 2010 2:54 pm ET)
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            I can understand where Beck is coming from. Why do you pu$$yfoot around? Wishy-washy stuff like, "I can understand how Beck could reach those conclusions", etc. WTF?

            Do you agree with Beck that Obama and Sotomayor are racists, or don't you?
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            • Author by soze169880 (January 05, 2010 3:51 pm ET)
                 
              He won't just tell it like it is. K1DORK IS ONE O'THEM POLITIKLY CURRECT COMMUFASCISTS!
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            • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
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              I can understand, OK. I can understand why Beck can think that, and NOT be racist for thinking that.

              My whole thing is that I don't see Beck thinking those things as evidence that he is "racist."
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              • Author by New Frontier (January 05, 2010 4:26 pm ET)
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                Do you agree with Beck that Obama and Sotomayor are racists, or don't you?

                Why are you avoiding answering that question?
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                • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 4:38 pm ET)
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                  My PERSONAL opinion is that I am sure that Obama and Sotomayor probably have their own prejudiced ideas about white people. Being a black person, I know that there are many good black people who hold what could be considered racist sentiments about white people.

                  And just as people here "read between the lines" to come up with "Beck is a racist," I can UNDERSTAND how white people could "read between the lines" regarding Obama's church and comments about "typical" white people of his grandmother's generation and conclude that he is racist, or at least has some problems with whites.

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                  • Author by New Frontier (January 05, 2010 4:47 pm ET)
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                    For cryin' out loud. Can you answer a direct question, or are you always this wishy-washy? Do you agree with Beck that Obama and Sotomayor are racists, or don't you?
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                    • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 4:57 pm ET)
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                      Not racist in the sense that they hate white people. If that is what he means by "racist" then no, I don't agree with that.

                      But, do I think that it is highly possible that Obama and Sotomayor have some resentment for whites that non-racist white people could consider to be racist, YES.
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                      • Author by New Frontier (January 05, 2010 5:04 pm ET)
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                        But, do I think that it is highly possible..." blah blah

                        Are they racists, like Beck says, or aren't they? It's a simple question.
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                        • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 05, 2010 5:41 pm ET)
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                          Nice job, New Frontier. You can actually hear him squirming through the computer. Particularly love how he lumps black people into "I know that there are many good black people who hold what could be considered racist sentiments about white people" while at the same time still attempting to pretend that he if offended by Obama referring to his grandmother as a "typical white" person. Classic. It is truly educational to read what these Beckers have to twist themselves into in order to still believe in and defend their fearless leader. Dork should be a case-study.
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                      • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 5:10 pm ET)
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                        So there you have it; Obama and Sotomayor have resentment for whites but Beck does not have resentment for blacks. You sure are one messed up liar.
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                      • Author by pilotx (January 05, 2010 5:57 pm ET)
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                        You know, I understand what you are saying and I agree with you but this is exactly what Justice Sotomeyer is talking about. I grew up listening to Rev. Wright and have many friends who attend his church and nothing in his church is what I would consider racist. Most Black folks here in Chicago see the Rev. as a good guy but many whites see him as negative but that is why we need more people of color in politics and the media to get our side of the story out there. On the other hand I depart with you on your defense of Beck because he, like Hannity, understand these philosophical differences and take quotes out of context to create animosity towards people of color.
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          • Author by worrierking (January 05, 2010 3:18 pm ET)
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            Yet you can't reach the same conclusions based on what Beck says and does?

            We're starting to understand where "you're coming from".
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          • Author by historygeek001 (January 05, 2010 4:10 pm ET)
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            Dork, you're disgusting. You have the intelligence to understand that being racist is morally reprehensible, and you don't try to defend racism itself. You're willing to defend Beck's racism (which is itself racist) and pretend that you don't understand that the context of Sotomayor's comments, and Obama's comments, prove that they are NOT racist. Your actions are actually disgusting twice--first, because of your poorly-hidden racism, second because of your dishonesty. You lack even the courage to stand up and admit your beliefs and when called on what you say, you lie again. What possible reason have you given anybody to take seriously?
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            • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 4:29 pm ET)
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              I don't think Becks comments make him racist. All I was saying about Sotomayor and Obama's comments is that I can UNDERSTAND how a white person can see those comments as racist.

              But, it's to the point where I'm beginning to think that I should just shut my black a$$ up, and let those who claim to be tolerant dictate what is and is not racist. Our society will never get past racism until we can discuss racial issues without accusations of racism.
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              • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 4:41 pm ET)
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                Yeah, whatever. Victor Colorado has you pegged.

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                • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 4:59 pm ET)
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                  What, that I'm a liar? So I am worthy of nothing but condemnation and insults for not automaticaaly thinking that Beck's comments put him up there with the grand dragon of the KKK?

                  We truly hate each other as a society, don't we.
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                  • Author by bintx (January 05, 2010 5:23 pm ET)
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                    I don't believe anyone said that Beck should be grand dragon of the KKK . . . we simply stated the truth. Beck is a bigot (racist, sexist, etc.). Since you believe he's not, that would most likely indicate that you share his bigotry . . .

                    Actually, the majority of Americans DON'T hate each other. That's why dishonest, hatemongering, racists like Beck are so dangerous. He doesn't care one way or the other . . . it's about money and fame for him. The problem is that he has uneducated [like him], uninformed racists who hang on his every word as if it is gospel. What Beck is doing is CREATING hatred, bork . . . you're CREATING hatred with your racism and dishonesty.
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                  • Author by Max Credits (January 05, 2010 5:31 pm ET)
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                    You're a liar becuase you claim to see Obama's so-called "resentment for whites" while being completely blind to Beck's race-based obsessions.

                    You. Are. A. Liar.
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                    • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 05, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
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                      And the constant victim. Please stop trying to portray yourself as some kind of victim, dork, because we don't buy your nonsensical defense of Beck. It's pathetic.
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              • Author by New Frontier (January 05, 2010 4:59 pm ET)
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                Our society will never get past racism until we can discuss racial issues without accusations of racism.
                How profound. Well, copy and paste that into an email to Glenn Beck, who has no qualms about throwing the "racist" accusation around.
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      • Author by magnolialover (January 05, 2010 2:49 pm ET)
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        Let's take down your silly arugments piece by piece here, because, actually, it's easy to do...

        Sotomayor suggested that in terms of being discriminated against, a latina woman probably has more experience than a white man in that specific instance. Which, is what she actually said, but you just paid attention to the cropped quote. There is nothing racial there.

        Obama didn't attend a church that preached that white people created AIDs, but Rev. Wright did mention that once, in one sermon. There was nothing racial about it. That was just a stupid comment, and was NOT a racist comment.

        I don't even think I know who John Santore is, so no comment there.
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        • Author by DellDolly (January 05, 2010 3:56 pm ET)
             
          John Santore is the author of this article by MMFA.
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        • Author by k1dork (January 05, 2010 4:31 pm ET)
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          If she was specifically talking about Latino women having experienced racism, then that is fair.

          How in the hell is saying that whites created AIDS to kill blacks NOT racist!? HOW IN THE HELL?!
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (January 05, 2010 5:24 pm ET)
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        We know where you stand, dork. Beck cannot be a racist. Only black and brown people can be racist these days. Sotomayor and Obama - racist (although this time you have decided to hide behind the term racial instead of racist for some reason) while Limbaugh and Beck - not racist. It speaks volumes about the sickness of the Beckers that you choose to think this way.
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    • Author by rjackson1500@yahoo.com (January 05, 2010 2:04 pm ET)
         
      the bottom line is this beck like all other right wing wingers is a bigot...the g.o.p is based on the notion of white pride and america is for whites only...
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    • Author by Cyndi (January 06, 2010 2:23 am ET)
         
      I've been reading this site for about a month. You all are a bunch of fools. If you actually think your opinions matter in the real world....someone has been lying to you.
      Media Matters is a JOKE. There are no standards here.

      I've been disgusted from the very first thread. There is NO debate. It's my way (LIBERAL) or the highway. How can we solve things when each side is so obviously politically blind. Stand up for what matters to you. Outside of political ideologies.

      It's America or NOTHING!!!
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    • Author by Cyndi (January 06, 2010 2:26 am ET)
         
      PLEASE POST MY MESSAGE...
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    • Author by Cyndi (January 06, 2010 2:40 am ET)
         
      There is NO debate here. It's all manufactured. It's No surprise from a liberal site. You may get a lot of hits ( only because Beck and Drudge mention you)(((Yeah I'm with them)))(((Paranoid much)))) but that is it. You are a NO NEWS SOURCE. The word has spread. I was just curious to see if you would post my reply...

      If this is the first reply they decide to post...just know there were others.

      Your gig is up...I have a BIG mouth and LOTS of friend who do not sell their souls for ideologues
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