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Carlson's Daily Caller debuts with casual joke about rape

January 11, 2010 2:54 pm ET by Media Matters staff

In a January 11 column titled "Ask Matt Labash" posted on Tucker Carlson's newly launched website, The Daily Caller, Labash compares automatic speeding tickets to legalized rape, complete with a reference to Rohypnol. In response to a submitted question "Pick three government programs you would eliminate. Why?", Labash writes:

Legalized rape. What's that you say? Rape isn't sanctioned in this country? Then you must not live in a city with red-light or speed cameras, where it happens every day. Forget for a second that in one-fourth of all automated ticket cases, the ticketed  car owner wasn't the one actually driving the vehicle at the time of the infraction (what other crime-fighting technology do we consider reliable that nabs the wrong person 25 percent of the time?) Just as heinous is that every year, more and more municipal governments pretend that they plant these all-seeing menaces in the interest of "safety." Yet every year, their revenues tend to  increase from the very same technology. Meaning that the only deterrent effect the technology has is deterring your government from being honest about raping its own citizenry. If you're going to slide me a roofie, Government, at least take me to dinner and a movie first.

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    • Author by epkklk851 (January 11, 2010 3:16 pm ET)
         
      Really crass and disgusting. However, he ignores the whole point. Pay attention to traffic lights and speed signs, you won't get tickets, and such things are moot points. Trust me, if I get one of these things, I will deserve it.
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      • Author by rtejon (January 11, 2010 3:22 pm ET)
           
        And to think that I just commented on HP earlier agreeing with Arianna's well-wishes.

        Doesn't Labash know about Carlson's own false-accusation nightmare? I don't think I'd have any sense of humor about it if I'd been through that.

        I made this as a reply because you're right; the best way to avoid tickets is to comply with traffic laws. I thought this was the law-and-order, tough-on-crime party?
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      • Author by lordsam (January 11, 2010 3:25 pm ET)
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        I don't want to support the joke, which is disgusting, but I do agree with him in principle. The "whole point" is that if I loan my car to someone else (let my SO drive, or my teenager), and THEY speed, then *I* get the ticket. In this case, revenue trumps basic fairness, which is what he was talking about.
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        • Author by poiks (January 11, 2010 7:22 pm ET)
             
          Sort of true. We just got one. My wife was driving, but since the car is registered to me, the ticket was issued in my name. Basically, they re-issue the ticket in the name of the actual driver, IF you rat them out and provide the name, address, and driver-license number.
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      • Author by highliter (January 11, 2010 3:39 pm ET)
           
        Trust me, if I get one of these things, I will deserve it.


        So if you let someone use your car and they run a red light you deserved the ticket?
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        • Author by epkklk851 (January 11, 2010 3:43 pm ET)
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          You fight the ticket and you make sure that the someone driving when it happened pays for it. Currently, the only person who drives my car is my husband. He doesn't like tickets any more than I do. The point is that he doesn't want to obey traffic laws, and I have no problem with them. I do occasionally speed, and I have realized the light was red as I was getting to the other side. If I get a ticket, it will be deserved. I am sure.
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          • Author by highliter (January 11, 2010 4:02 pm ET)
               
            Good luck in fighting the ticket you’ll loose. And you think its right to have to spend you own money on a lawyer when they cant even prove it was you in the car. Cities use these cameras as revenue tools the law is not supposed to be used in this way.
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            • Author by epkklk851 (January 11, 2010 4:10 pm ET)
                 
              I've never had a ticket. The first/last time I was pulled over was in California, just after leaving the airport (at 2:00 AM)in a rental car five years ago. I cut a corner short because I was lost. The nice officer directed me to my hotel. Like I said, if I get a ticket, I am sure I will have deserved it.
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              • Author by highliter (January 11, 2010 4:28 pm ET)
                   
                Nice off topic post, once again you failed to address a single question in my post.
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                • Author by epkklk851 (January 11, 2010 4:35 pm ET)
                     
                  My point is and always has been that if you obey traffic laws, you don't get tickets. If you have to fight a ticket because someone else was driving, then you take the person in and have them 'fess up to driving the car at the time of the ticket. If they refuse, then you fight it anyway or you pay the ticket and take your lumps. Every driver deserves a ticket for something sooner or later. I have been lucky, so if I got a ticket, I would pay it. The drivers in my area are terrible. I wish there were more tickets written, not less. And if hiring a lawyer was more than the fine, I would pay the fine.
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                  • Author by highliter (January 11, 2010 4:45 pm ET)
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                    You cant fight those tickets you will lose, you will pay a lawyer you will pay a fine and you will pay higher insurance premium, all without the state showing the burden of proof. You shouldnt have to prove it was not you the its the states burden to prove it was you and with traffic camera they cant. I cant believe a s a liberal your ok with the government using the law as a revenue tool.
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                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 11, 2010 5:10 pm ET)
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                      Not sure about all jurisdictions, but I know that many do not include "demerit points" or whatever in system of automated tickets (speeding or red lights)they have. Insurance companies don't find out and therefore don't raise rates. And I think in most places, one can challenge such a ticket without the help of a lawyer.

                      Personally, i really think all ticketing should start with an actual officer. There was study done a while back that showed interaction with a cop changes most persons driving habits for up to six months after the interaction.
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                      • Author by epkklk851 (January 11, 2010 6:00 pm ET)
                           
                        I had never heard that before. That is interesting. I know that I find the thought of being pulled over and ticketed intimidating. That is why I do my best to follow the laws.
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                • Author by bilbo_dies (January 11, 2010 4:41 pm ET)
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                  If you are asking whether cities use red light cameras/speed cameras as revenue tools I think most people will agree with you.

                  If you are asking whether it is fair to get a ticket for speeding, when you weren't driving, I think most people would agree with you but; point out that it is a specious aurgument. If you don't want to pay speeding tickets, because of someone else, don't lend out your car.

                  The law isn't supposed to be used in a lot of ways that it is, doesn't change what happens in real life.
                  I don't like forfeiture laws, because I believe that instead of helping to stop crime, they have become an asset realization tool for law enforcement.
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                  • Author by highliter (January 11, 2010 4:52 pm ET)
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                    I agree but my main point is that the state should have to prove it was you, not you having to prove it was not. I don’t like where stuff like this is taking us it was your car so you automatically guilty unless you prove it wasent you. Just dosent seem right. I don’t have any links t the moment but I studied law in college and I can tell you that in times of low tax revenue state and local governments increase ticket output to try and supplement funds.
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                    • Author by poiks (January 11, 2010 7:51 pm ET)
                         
                      You know, the tickets typically include a photo of the driver's face. We just got one and it provided fairly good evidence. Photos, video viewable on-line showing the car going through the intersection, etc.
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            • Author by poiks (January 11, 2010 7:48 pm ET)
                 
              You will only lose if you refuse to provide the name and other info for the driver.
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          • Author by rtejon (January 11, 2010 4:44 pm ET)
               
            Your insurance company would have something to say if you loaned out your car to someone not listed on the policy. And it's nobody else's fault if you loan your car to someone who would be so inconsiderate as to risk getting you in trouble.
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            • Author by highliter (January 11, 2010 4:55 pm ET)
                 
              There is nothing in my insurance policy that forbids me form lending my vehicle to someone.
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            • Author by bilbo_dies (January 11, 2010 5:20 pm ET)
                 
              Only if they were a "named excluded" on your policy or didn't have a valid liscence. If you give your car to someone for an extended time then you are "supposed" to notify your insurance company, since your rates are based on your driving record. As long as no one get in trouble/accident, there won't be an issue.
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              • Author by rtejon (January 11, 2010 7:02 pm ET)
                   
                Must be different in your state. And I really would stress the importance of being very choosy with who you'd do that favor for.
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        • Author by Dan Someone (January 11, 2010 4:54 pm ET)
             
          The ticket gets sent to the likeliest driver -- the owner of the car. If it wasn't you, take it to court and convince them, or take it up with the actual driver. Or are you suggesting that if you lend your car to someone and they run a red light, nobody is responsible? What if they hit a pedestrian when they run that red light? Is anybody responsible then?
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          • Author by highliter (January 11, 2010 6:05 pm ET)
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            My main point is that in criminal cases the burden of proof is on the state. When you use a traffic cam you are shifting that burden to the citizen. Not being able the driver is well within the reasonable doubt standards set by our courts. Just because it was your car doesn’t mean you were the driver. You shouldn’t have to prove it wasent you when the state cant prove it was. It up to the state to figure out who was driving not you.
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        • Author by Ruby (January 11, 2010 5:51 pm ET)
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          Why would you let someone you don't trust use your car? I mean, the only people that I ever let use my car would be my family, my boyfriend, or my closest friends.

          If it's someone you trust, and they get a ticket for running a red light, wouldn't you trust them to do the right thing and pay for it?

          If you don't have enough faith in someone's integrity to do that, then you probably shouldn't be loaning them your car...

          The fact is that these red-light cameras reduce traffic violations and accidents, and I think that's a good thing. The speeding vans, I disagree with, because (at least in my city) it is a private company contracted by the government, and the motivation is not safety but money. And they haven't been proven as effective. But the red-light cameras I'm all for.
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          • Author by highliter (January 11, 2010 6:03 pm ET)
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            The fact is that these red-light cameras reduce traffic violations and accidents, and I think that's a good thing.

            Traffic cams do not reduce accidents. A longer delay between light changes does, but doesn’t produce revenue. So guess which one gets used.

            My main point is that in criminal cases the burden of proof is on the state. When you use a traffic cam you are shifting that burden to the citizen. Not being able the driver is well within the reasonable doubt standards set by our courts.
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          • Author by highliter (January 11, 2010 6:03 pm ET)
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            The fact is that these red-light cameras reduce traffic violations and accidents, and I think that's a good thing.

            Traffic cams do not reduce accidents. A longer delay between light changes does, but doesn’t produce revenue. So guess which one gets used.

            My main point is that in criminal cases the burden of proof is on the state. When you use a traffic cam you are shifting that burden to the citizen. Not being able the driver is well within the reasonable doubt standards set by our courts.
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            • Author by oscar the grouch (January 11, 2010 8:35 pm ET)
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              In fact, I think you would find that the "amber" light timing is shorter in an intersection with a traffic camera. Son got a ticket at one of these things several years ago, we paid it because I couldn't afford to travel 1200 miles (round trip) to fight it. However, I had family time several "amber" lights in the area, both traffic cammed and not, and the intervals at the cammed intersections were shorter in all instances.
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      • Author by shaggles (January 11, 2010 6:17 pm ET)
           
        Remember the old Bush-era adage: "If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about."
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      • Author by poiks (January 11, 2010 7:47 pm ET)
           
        Although I agree, the $460 ticket my wife received last week, IMO, is exorbitant. We can afford it, but for many people this would be devastating.
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    • Author by thebewilderness (January 11, 2010 4:28 pm ET)
         
      Rape is just like getting a traffic ticket.
      Rape is just like losing a game.
      Rape is just like any other minor inconvenience, and perfectly okie dokie if you paid for it in advance with dinner and a movie.
      Do you think it odd that the peeps who spout this propaganda line are those who have very little chance of experiencing what they joke about?
      I do not.
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    • Author by oscar the grouch (January 11, 2010 8:29 pm ET)
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      A joke? I think not. Actually the local governments are also getting "raped" as the provider of the cameras, etc get a fairly hefty cut of the take. (maybe Halliburton is involved, maybe not, but private enterprise is profiting from this)
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    • Author by riggsveda (January 12, 2010 7:15 am ET)
         
      (what other crime-fighting technology do we consider reliable that nabs the wrong person 25 percent of the time?)


      Hell, we finance an entire justice system that sends the wrong person to the death chamber 25% of the time. Paying a fine is minor league by comparison.
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