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The Right might want to hold off on gloating over Air America's demise

January 21, 2010 5:46 pm ET by Jamison Foser

With today's announcement that Air America is shutting down, I'm sure it'll only be a matter of minutes before conservatives start gleefully insisting that this demonstrates that there is no market for liberal news outlets.

Two quick points to keep in mind:

1) You can either claim that ABC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC/NBC/NPR/NYT/WAPO/ETC are "liberal media," or that there is no market for liberal media -- but not both.  Please pick one.*  Thanks!

2) The Washington Times has been losing money for two decades.  In the early days of Fox News, Rupert Murdoch paid cable companies $11 per subscriber to carry FNC (and Rudy Giuliani pressured Time Warner to carry the outlet in New York City.)  Point being: conservative media outlets have succeeded not only because of market forces, as conservatives would have you believe, but because right-wing billionaires like Murdoch and Rev. Moon have been willing to subsidize them.

* Or neither. That works, too.

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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (January 21, 2010 5:55 pm ET)
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      Thanks for the heads up, and you know these Right-wingers will have a field day in gloating. LOL.
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    • Author by Tbone Slickens (January 21, 2010 6:09 pm ET)
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      1) You can either claim that ABC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC/NBC/NPR/NYT/WAPO/ETC are "liberal media," or that there is no market for liberal media -- but not both. Please pick one. Thanks!


      I'll take the former for 100 Alex...
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      • Author by peebs755 (January 21, 2010 6:11 pm ET)
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        Yeah. Liberal Media. You probably believe in Sasquatch and Nessie too.
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      • Author by Max Credits (January 21, 2010 6:19 pm ET)
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        That explains why you're here.
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        • Author by pointofview (January 21, 2010 7:37 pm ET)
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          Victor

          what a great 24 hours. First MA, and now Air America is gone.

          You also said you would wait for me to come back and congratulate you on the Health care bill....first you said in Nov, then Dec....looks like you will be waiting a longgggg time.

          Cheers
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          • Author by bilbo_dies (January 21, 2010 7:45 pm ET)
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            what a great 24 hours. First MA, and now Air America is gone.

            MA. is gone? And I didn't even see it on the news.
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          • Author by all your eyes (January 21, 2010 10:26 pm ET)
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            Great 24 hours indeed. A nation of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations. I'm sure you're very happy now that you'll be represented by the congressman from Wal Mart or the senator from General Electric...
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      • Author by New Frontier (January 21, 2010 6:29 pm ET)
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        I'll take the former for 100 Alex...
        You've got a point. Jeopardy! (NBC, ABC, CBS) has a well-known liberal bias, in that the contestants are intelligent people.
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      • Author by MickD (January 21, 2010 6:33 pm ET)
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        Tbone, you think media outlets controlled by corporations are liberal? In what imaginary kingdom?
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    • Author by peebs755 (January 21, 2010 6:09 pm ET)
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      I don't remember the exact amount, but Murdoch subsidized Faux News to the tune of tens of millions, maybe more, before it got off the ground. Financially that is. The whole premise of Faux News is actually in the gutter.
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (January 21, 2010 6:36 pm ET)
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        At the beginning, Fox News wasn't such an obvious cheerleader for the teabagger types. Then, to the credit of Ailes, he discovered that it's much easier and more profitable selling programming to the underducated, racist, uninformed, hateful, and xenophobic 29% of the population.
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        • Author by rtejon (January 21, 2010 7:36 pm ET)
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          Isn't it true that (at least in the beginning) EIB/Rush Limbaugh feeds were given away free to all the affiliates? The deal was that the stations could keep all their local ad revenue as long as they played the network feed with its own advertising included.
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        • Author by pete592 (January 21, 2010 9:47 pm ET)
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          At the very beginning, I could actually watch O'Reilly without wanting to throw a brick at the screen. He devolved right along with the entire channel.
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    • Author by Publius39 (January 21, 2010 6:14 pm ET)
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      I hate the claim of a "liberal media." When there is a liberal media host that gets the numbers that Beck or Limbaugh get in ratings, then I'll start to look into it. Until then, ALL media outlets lean right.
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    • Author by Boxer1979 (January 21, 2010 6:17 pm ET)
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      The Right might want to hold off on gloating over Air America's demise

      Pretty soon there will be only one voice of opinion. The reich-winged voice. Forget equality. Liberals and Progressives has been deemed evil by the radical right since the signing of the Constitution.

      They will be on mission after this news announcement.
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    • Author by nerzog (January 21, 2010 7:02 pm ET)
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      I don't think market forces had anything to do with it. By the time Air America was launched, Troglodyte Radio already had the market saturated. Since most Radio Station owners just happen to be Republican, why would they want Liberal programming?

      Just listen to any local Hate Jock, and tell me that they succeed because of the quality of their content. Sorry, but I don't see any evidence to support that notion.
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      • Author by ilikeike (January 21, 2010 7:26 pm ET)
           
        Jim Hightower used to complain that radio programmers didnt have any imagination. when his people tried to sell their show all they ever heard was that right wing radio was real popular ,they couldnt comprehend that many people wanted an alternative but it wasnt available
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      • Author by wookie (January 21, 2010 10:07 pm ET)
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        The right seem more accepting of being preached to for hours at a time. They also get a weird vicarious thrill from Limbaugh getting gobs of money that they aren't getting. Or they root on Ann Coulter from the bleachers even though it doesn't help them in any way. Its like hanging out with the bully to feel cool. And right wing content is very corporate so advertisers and media conglomerates have a reason to agressively push it.
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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 21, 2010 10:50 pm ET)
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          You're right, Wookie, the people pushing the corporate agenda, at the expense of us regular people, have a lot of advantages in getting corporate sponsorship for airtime (sorry for re-stating the obvious) but the radio market is much more suited to the right wing mentality, even more so than tv.

          I listened to the single station here in Southern California that carried Air America programming as well as other liberal shows, but just when I was driving, or on the computer while working sometimes.

          The target demo for daytime am radio - the unemployed, retired, unemployable, shut-ins, people who like a lot of repetition and simple answers- are mostly right wing types.

          With the SC move today, giving corporations even more power compared to individual Americans, the corporate media may become even stronger. And the idiots who support them to their own detriment will gloat and cheer that they're being screwed even more than before.
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          • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (January 21, 2010 11:30 pm ET)
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            With the SC move today, giving corporations even more power compared to individual Americans, the corporate media may become even stronger. And the idiots who support them to their own detriment will gloat and cheer that they're being screwed even more than before.

            God forbid that Americans be allowed to speak their minds, Cleghorn. The error of your thinking is that if the government has the authority to prohibit the political speech of corporations (owned by those evil, greedy shareholders) or non-profits, it has the power to prohibit your political speech as well. Which I might be in favor of, but you might not like too well. I think the Bill of Rights addressed that very idea somewhere...
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 22, 2010 2:16 am ET)
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              You consider a corporation an "American"? If you're going to try to point out an error in somebody's thinking, I'd advise against putting an imbecilic slippery slope argument in the same sentence. As I wrote earlier;

              the idiots who support them ... will gloat and cheer


              I don't think anybody was doubting that, but thanks for volunteering to prove me right.

              And I realize the Bill of Rights is one of those things you wingnuts like to talk about more than you like to try to understand, but if you think the founding fathers mentioned "the people" more than once in that document, and just forgot to mention corporations, you're a perfect subject for what's coming; more corporate propaganda designed to get suckers like you to vote Republican.

              Did you even think about this before you posted?

              Ever hear about some guys in Boston a couple hundred years ago chucking tea overboard? Tea belonging to a corporation wielding disproportionate power with the British government ?

              Do you know that corporations were originally forbidden from making political contributions, or that it was intended that they would only exist for a short time before being dismantled?

              Do you know Jack sh*t, or do you just repeat whatever your trainer on the am radio tells you?

              Don't bother me with your stoopid. Moran.

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              • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (January 22, 2010 11:36 pm ET)
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                Getting a mite testy in your dotage, eh Cleghorn?
                The problem with liberals is that they don't believe in freedom or liberty. They think that the 'masses' are just stoopid morans who can't figure out liars and charlatans. So, in their greathearted goodness, they feel it is their duty, their noblesse oblige, to protect the poor ignorant hoi polloi from their own ignorance.
                It's just arrogant horsesh!t.
                Do you know Jack sh*t, or do you just repeat whatever your trainer on the am radio tells you? Oh wait, your trainer went bankrupt! Sorry about that.
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    • Author by BubbaT (January 21, 2010 7:16 pm ET)
         
      Bwahahaha good riddance. Air Cuba finally tanks now that it's anchor-clown Stuart "Nobody likes me" Smalley flew the coop.
      Thats ok, all you Communists still have NPR. No gloating necessary however. It's satisfying enough knowing you traitors only make up 20% of the populace.
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    • Author by angry_dem1 (January 21, 2010 7:23 pm ET)
         
      Right-wing world will gloat, but in truth Air America and other major progressive voices are not a mirror-image of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Fox News, etc. Although there are more Democrats than Republicans in this country, there just is not the appetite on the left that there is on the right for the type of infotainment, say anything, sensationalist, dishonest, hypocritical garbage that the conservative media produce every day.

      The success of conservative media outlets is a function of the type of people on the right rather the number of them.
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    • Author by DAWUSS (January 21, 2010 7:54 pm ET)
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      The spin will be that there's no market for liberal talk radio. Limbaugh will claim that liberals cannot create a liberal equivalent of himself. He gets to stroke his own ego once again.
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      • Author by plooger (January 21, 2010 9:26 pm ET)
           
        But then who wants that. We now have Rachel Maddow on television. FTW.
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    • Author by plooger (January 21, 2010 9:25 pm ET)
         
      Your post presumes that the Right needs to be logically consistent, not something I'd stake much money on.
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    • Author by griddle (January 21, 2010 9:29 pm ET)
         
      I suppose FOX News paid for all these viewers too?

      This is how the free matket works. Stuff that people don't like fails.

      FOXNEWS HANNITY 6,809,000
      FOXNEWS GRETA 6,399,000
      FOXNEWS O'REILLY 5,228,000
      FOXNEWS BECK 3,446,000
      FOXNEWS BAIER 3,338,000
      FOXNEWS SHEP 3,241,000
      CNN KING 1,681,000
      CNN COOPER 1,508,000
      CNN BROWN 1,308,000
      MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,274,000
      MSNBC MADDOW 1,236,000
      CNN BLITZER 1,135,000
      CNNHN BEHAR 845,000
      MSNBC HARDBALL 798,000
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    • Author by jpeagle21 (January 21, 2010 10:01 pm ET)
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      Nice try, but I'm still gloating. <Picture me sitting on the couch, relaxed, with a satisified grin> you know, the way you were when CNN canned dobbs, or how you would be if Fox cancelled Beck. Cheers.
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    • Author by whatthehell (January 21, 2010 10:04 pm ET)
         
      Maybe Air America should have been smart and adopted a format like Media Matters where they did a daily attack on everything Fox News or Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter said or did. Then they could have lasted forever.
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    • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (January 21, 2010 11:19 pm ET)
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      Poor Jamison - he just doesn't understand capitalism. Murdoch invested millions in Fox News, and now he is making more off it than the competition combined. And Foser thinks that isn't true market economics.
      Air America is a good example of the kind of stupidity that liberal/progressives often use in their approach to business. You could call it Zombieconomics. Air America tried to fill a niche that wasn't there. It was ill-conceived, ill-managed, and ill-mannered. The commentary seemingly consisted of name-calling and profanity, it never attained to humor.
      AA was an abysmal failure from the get-go, and predictably so. Anyone could pretty much predict that a bunch of arrogant, whiny, unpatriotic, sniggering statists might not be a big hit. Unless, of course, you were one of them - one of the three hundred or so who listened to AA at its zenith.
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (January 22, 2010 2:20 am ET)
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        Right wing radio is subsidized by the corporate interests it serves,and most liberals are working during the day instead of sitting around getting orders from their radio.

        There, now you know the real story. Yours was cute, though.
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        • Author by edrossinoelwein9669 (January 22, 2010 11:39 pm ET)
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          Well, no one, not even the liberals who applauded it, was willing to subsidize the trash that was Air America. But gee, it really wasn't needed - you've still got NPR.
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    • Author by NABNYC (January 22, 2010 12:59 pm ET)
         
      I suspect that liberal or progressive media must have liberal or progressive business practices in order to survive. Air America started out as an apparent effort by some to get rich off the pathetic and desperate leftists in this country who wanted a liberal talk-show radio station to provide a forum for our voices. But starting in NYC with its expensive -- everything -- was probably a business mistake. Paying enormous and unwarranted salaries (i.e. Franken) as if this was a primetime sitcom or big movie that needed a "name" was another mistake. Lots of mistakes.

      Most new businesses fail. And if a business is started by a group of people who do not have a strong background in the field, the likelihood of failure is almost certain.

      It's a shame. But I think that the left can develop a new model for liberal programming, as witnessed by the efforts of Mike Malloy, Thom Hartman, Stephanie Miller, Randi Rhodes, and (I hope very soon) Ron Reagan will join them. There also are experiments with internet transmission by noted commentators such as Danny Schechter and Jeff Farias.

      It's important to look at the Nuevo Cancion of Victor Jara and others in Chile, the street and small-theater groups of earlier decades, coffee-house singers, "Movemet" singers and dance groups, and remember that people who are committed to providing cultural, analytical or organizing support for left or progressive politics usually aren't in it to get rich. If they want to get rich, they can go work at Rupert Murdoch's Whorehouse. If they want to save the country, or maybe the world, ingenuity, fundraisers, lower salaries, and as I have suggested before, a Media Trust to fund a wide variety of projects, is likely required.
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