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Beck attacks Michelle Obama for trying to raise awareness of and combat childhood obesity

February 12, 2010 10:50 pm ET by Jeremy Holden

In his continued effort to attack anything related to the Obama administration, Glenn Beck ridiculed first lady Michelle Obama's initiative to combat the issues of childhood hunger and obesity. Seriously, despite the fact that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report that the prevalence of childhood obesity is on the rise -- leading to greater incidence of cardiovascular disease, asthma, liver degeneration, diabetes, and psychosocial risks associated with social stigmatization -- Beck staked his position against the first lady's initiative to improve nutrition and exercise among children.

After complaining that too many children receive unearned trophies and drawing a connection from that to 20-year-old workers requesting vacation days, Beck turned his attention to Michelle Obama's "obesity campaign":

BECK: So now going all out to have government limit the food choices available at our kids' school, to make sure that grocery stores pop up in what they are calling -- and I'm not kidding you -- food deserts. There's no salad bars; it's a food desert. Then we are going to put the grocery stores instead of fast food businesses.

They'll limit what we can watch on TV, what ads we can run and how long we can watch. No doubt we'll start mandating certain kind of activities as part of this wonderful government campaign.

In reality, the Let's Move initiative aims to issue guidance for front-of-package nutritional labels, educate physicians on childhood obesity, and develop online tools to provide information about health and nutrition. In addition, grants will be available to construct grocery stores and bring farmers' markets to underserved communities -- known as food deserts.

Estimating that $150 billion is spent annually to treat obesity-related health issues, the administration is also calling for reauthorization of the Child Nutrition Act -- which helps to provide lunch to 31 million students living at or near the poverty line every school day -- all while improving the nutritional standards for school meals.

Sound like the coming of fascist socialism to you? Here's Beck:

BECK: This is torn from the pages of the progressive playbook. You're too stupid. You need the government to fix your life, and they agree with you that government has no place in this business. But we're just going to help make things better.

Yes. They're coming and they are slowly but surely taking away your freedom under the guise of helping you.

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    • Author by Dradeeus (February 12, 2010 10:57 pm ET)
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      Damn, I'm impressed. That's one of the largest stretches I've ever seen.

      Anyways, I love how he calls people "too stupid" to figure out the correct diet for their kids, like it's an unnecessary step. But there IS a childhood obesity problem. I don't go as far as Beck in calling the parents "stupid", but I don't see the problem in a little education.
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      • Author by Dradeeus (February 12, 2010 11:22 pm ET)
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        Sorry, I meant that he mocked liberals for (presumably, to Beck,) finding parents of obese children "too stupid" to figure out a diet by themselves.
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        • Author by papa bear3 (February 15, 2010 9:48 am ET)
             
          The tragedy is further enhanced by some of the health food company's offerings misrepresenting calorie and sugar content serving size, white flour and other misrepresented content.

          The other point it seems that the playgrounds are closing down because of lawsuits, the padding is there to prevent injury AND consequent Lawsuits. One good lawsuit can wipe out a budget for a playground, ask you friendly insurance agent.

          Another point is really a laugh, but could Beck have misread the teleprompter or his writer lofted a typo? could he have meant food desserts as apposed to deserts?
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      • Author by ilikeike (February 13, 2010 3:54 pm ET)
           
        Beck may be on to something. years ago an episode of the Simpsons predicted this very thing. all the heavy kids at kamp krustee were indoctrinated, tortured and forced to eat gruel. the parallels are chilling.all true prophets are mocked in their own time . be very afraid people, be very afraid
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    • Author by roverflash (February 12, 2010 11:53 pm ET)
         
      I love how it quotes Beck and then says "In reality..." LOL
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    • Author by whatIthink (February 12, 2010 11:57 pm ET)
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      This is about educating people as to what causes childhood obesity and how to prevent it. Only the truly stupid think that education is stupid. On another thread, I wrote about what's wrong with education in this country. This is a prime example of what's wrong, implying that needing education means your stupid or that providing that education is part of some insidious plot so it should be rejected. The sad thing is that the people who need the help the most are going to be the ones deepest in denial and most likely to agree with Beck.
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      • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 12:54 am ET)
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        "This is about educating people as to what causes childhood obesity and how to prevent it. "

        ROFL. What causes obesity and how to prevent it? Are you kidding? I'm just some guy on the internet and I know what causes obesity and how to prevent it.
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        • Author by pete592 (February 13, 2010 1:42 am ET)
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          So all you have to do is become some guy on the internet, and you'll know everything?
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          • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 10:39 am ET)
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            Nope. I imagine though that you too know what causes obesity. I remember learning it in school. as well.
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            • Author by Leftym0m79 (February 13, 2010 11:11 am ET)
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              So I guess all of these guys wanted to micromanage our lives too? By Glenn's logic Nancy Reagan's Just Say No campaign would have lead to gulags and forced sterilization.

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              • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 11:25 am ET)
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                Well, if it's using federal tax money for such a specific (and not General) purpose then you got me; it's unconstitutional, too.
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                • Author by ilikeike (February 13, 2010 3:56 pm ET)
                     
                  but it was all ok when Barbara Bush was doing the same to combat illiteracy, or Nancy Reagan against drugs. it only became a problem when our commie-fascist overlords the Obamas want to do it
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        • Author by overmars jr. (February 13, 2010 4:04 am ET)
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          I'm just some guy on the internet, and I know what causes you to be passionately wrong-headed.

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        • Author by skycatcher (February 13, 2010 5:22 am ET)
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          Maybe the NFL should butt out too, eh?
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        • Author by New Frontier (February 13, 2010 7:27 am ET)
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          ROFL. What causes obesity and how to prevent it? Are you kidding? I'm just some guy on the internet and I know what causes obesity and how to prevent it.
          I will repeat whatithink's comment:

          "Only the truly stupid think that education is stupid."

          Here's looking at you.
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        • Author by sciguy9 (February 13, 2010 1:19 pm ET)
             
          I'll bet you don't know how to prevent obesity.

          It is not as cut and dry as saying people should just eat vegetables, fish and meat that they have prepared and cooked for themselves. The food supply has become "corrupted" from top to bottom. We have turned everything upside down and it's nearly impossible for anybody to know what to eat anymore. Even much of the "healthy foods" are not what they seem. No, I am not a radical tree hugger or anything but it doesn't take a genius to know that antibiotics, factory farming, biofuels, farm subsidies and the multitude of other bastardized things going on with our food supply is wreaking havoc on our bodies.

          Just this week the report that came out stating that just TWO cans pop a WEEK vastly increases the risk of pancreatic cancer (due to high fructose corn syrup) is stunning. High fructose corn syrup and other corn additives are absolutely EVERYWHERE and it's just sad.
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        • Author by whatIthink (February 13, 2010 3:13 pm ET)
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          Just like in the 50's and 60's it was okay, even accepted, to cook everything in butter and lard, until...gasp...the public was educated on the dangers of cooking wiht so much fat. Just like it was completely acceptable to use transfat, until...gasp...the public was edcuated on the dangers of using too much transfat...just like it was acceptable to use sugar as a sweeener for everything, until...gasp...the public was educated on the dangers of using too much sugar...just like it was acceptable to smoke everywhere, even hosiptals, until...gasp...the public was educated on the dangers of smoke...and so on, and so on...and it was the evil government that took the forefront in educating the public.

          This is a perfect example of people livng in a microcosm of their own making. I'm not obese, therefore there is no need to educate people on obesity. I know smoking causes cancer, so therefore there is no need to educate people on the dangers of smoking. I'm not warm, so there is no global warming.

          "I'm just some guy on the internet and I know what causes obesity and how to prevent it." Again, what's common sense to you may not be others and a statement that like thats just makes you arrogrant. This is another perfect example of how education is vilified. And no, I doubt you know everything about what causes obesity, even if you can look it up on the internet.
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        • Author by bintx (February 14, 2010 8:25 pm ET)
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          Really, you know all the causes of obesity and how to prevent them? You know, overeating is not the only cause of it.

          What a ridiculously asinine comment.
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    • Author by jcelia (February 13, 2010 2:13 am ET)
         
      The sad thing is that Glenn Beck is massively hurting people by discouraging healthy eating simply because he opposes Obama and personally wants his policies to fail only to defeat him. Such hatred, it makes me want to cry.
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    • Author by jcelia (February 13, 2010 2:45 am ET)
         
      Jamie Oliver won the TED prize for his work to overcome obesity. This is the man who should be listened to. Not Glenn Beck.

      http://www.ted.com/talks/jamie_oliver.html
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    • Author by mikelartist (February 13, 2010 3:58 am ET)
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      Of course he would say this. He's FAT!
      Limbaugh's FAT!
      Hannity's FAT!
      Savages's FAT!
      Levins's FAT!
      Bennett's FAT!

      etc.

      Ever notice that many of the wingnut "women' radio shockjocks are scrwany, emaciated, mannish, single and lonely.
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    • Author by clearstate (February 13, 2010 4:09 am ET)
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      The problem is that some parents just don't care what their kids eat. They don't know how to cool nutritious foods so they eat out all the time. Every time I go to Walmart, I see a parent give their little kid a bottle of soda to drink at 9 in the morning! It blows my mind every time.

      Once you start the kid eating a lot of bad foods when their little, they want to eat that food all the time. They won't eat anything that's good for them unless its dripping in grease or has chocolate on it.

      What progressive playbook? Where can I get a copy of that?
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      • Author by Logan (February 13, 2010 7:51 am ET)
           
        My favorite thing about the wingnuts is how the word Progressive has been made into such a pejorative.

        Progressive Insurance...I want none of that (wingnuts go to Geico)
        Progresso soup...nope, not for me (wingnuts eat Campbell's)

        It's almost hilarious that there are all these loaded words for them, yet they know only what they've been told about them, and not a shred of research for themselves.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (February 13, 2010 8:14 am ET)
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      The last part of this rant is the most disturbing. Glenn is taking a vicious swipe at the poor. In a lot of urban areas, the only place to purchase food is the 7/11 or the liquor store. There are no salad bars, there are no produce markets, so people eat was is available. It is highly processed, no in fiber, high in calories and salt. She isn't plannning on forcing the fast food restaurants to go away, as he claims, but what is wrong with bringing in grocery stores. Notice, he is ranting about how the poor don't want to eat there so they will ride buses or drive cars (that they shouldn't have!?) to the suburbs to eat fast food. He is whining about businesses being damaged, he is doesn't think there should be transit systems, and he doesn't think the poor should have cars! (Talk about limiting freedom!) He wants the poor to remain overweight and malnurished becausse they have no better places to eat. And please, tell me why is it easier and cheaper to eat a fast food diet than buying and cooking fresh food on our own? That is what he should be outraged about. We are paying for our own bad health! Oh, wait, we're just supplying profits to the great corporate master, I forgot!
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      • Author by Lord of Light (February 13, 2010 10:20 am ET)
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        She isn't plannning on forcing the fast food restaurants to go away

        True, but I wish she or someone would. They're destroying America's health for the sake of profit. Makes me sick how they use child psychologists to structure commercials to get little kids hooked on their fatty poison.
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        • Author by ilikeike (February 13, 2010 4:04 pm ET)
             
          do you really want someone to force a legal enterprise to go away. I eat fast food about once a month and I enjoy it. I would like to retain that right.as well as the right to drink alcohol and other things the puritans might look down on. nobody is hooked on junk food. if you have a lousy diet and are fat that is your fault. if the first lady can lead a successful persuasion campaign that has positive effects on childhood obesity , than more power to her.also some people are just genetically hardwired to be overweight regardless of their diet.
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      • Author by ilikeike (February 13, 2010 4:00 pm ET)
           
        many obese children are offered healthy meals at school but dont choose them.an education program can help to counteract their bad eating decisions. but noone is suggesting any draconian rules to start limiting food choices or close restaurants
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      • Author by cugagcmu805031 (February 13, 2010 6:52 pm ET)
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        One of our principals here in middle GA received national recognition for making the kids at her school healthier. She was overweight and noticed that many of the students were also + they had bad eating habits. To get them all motivated when she decided to do something about her situation, she included the teachers, students and community. The result was a healthier school population, and kids who made better choices of foods to include in their diets. It was a win-win situation for all participants. This is a clear indication that educating someone on the importance of eating properly can work. The students' grades and test performance also went up. Beckie Boy, as usual, is willing to promote unhealthy lifestyles as being acceptable to his viewers in order to take another swipe at the Obamas. He is clearly the loser on this issue, as usual.
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        • Author by epkklk851 (February 13, 2010 9:11 pm ET)
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          I made friends with one of the Home Ec people at a school I worked with. She was teaching kids how to cook basic things, many of them really had no idea how to cook if it didn't come out of a package. A lot of these kids were poor. They seemed to enjoy themselves and it was a skill to take home to their families. I shop at a discount market near my house. Most of the other shoppers are immigrants from all sorts of places. Most of them are buying staples which are really cheap here, like I do, others fill their baskets with processed stuff. I was just diagnosed with border-line diabetes. I need to change my diet. It looks like a lot of the processed stuff and eating out are going to go away. When my husband and I were poorer (early in our marriage) we ate simple food at home; we were much thinner and healthier. Time to back to those days.
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    • Author by raddave43 (February 13, 2010 8:47 am ET)
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      Progressives caused obesity? Giving parents good information is a bad thing? Yes, Glenn you are TOO STUPID.
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    • Author by Refresh (February 13, 2010 10:26 am ET)
         
      This guy will attack ANY and EVERY thing the Obama administration takes up. He's so blinded by his own agenda to make Obama fail that he rallies against good causes.

      I tell you what, Beck should go on a strict diet regimen of skim milk served only in baby bottles to take care of both his weight and whining at the same time. Of course his physical health isn't nearly as messed up as his mental health. Get some therapy and pop some pills for that Paranoid schizophrenia, Beck.
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    • Author by jms (February 13, 2010 10:39 am ET)
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      Butt out big government. You have been wrong for years about our diets with your food pyramids and your support of red meat, dairy, etc. The things you have condoned in the past have caused cancers and obesity. Then you condone big pharma to cure the disease you helped create. We can figure things out on our own just fine. Cease and desist.
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      • Author by ilikeike (February 13, 2010 4:10 pm ET)
           
        with that kind of "logic" dont go to a doctor because throughout recorded history the medical establishment has been wrong about many of the causes and cures of disease. you can probably just cure yourself. By the way the "government" was not wrong about these topics. they were merely following the info the medical establishment provided at the time.Also proper following of the old food pyramid charts , with meat and dairy in their proper doses were perfectly healthy for the average American.it is not normal consumption of meat and dairy that is causing so much childhood obesity, but diets rich in snack foods ecspecially those that are high in high fructose corn oil etc
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    • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 10:40 am ET)
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      More tax money down the drain for an unconstitutional program.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (February 13, 2010 10:49 am ET)
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        You have lost your mind and all sense of decency.
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        • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 11:03 am ET)
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          Enlighten me on the Constitutionality of the program then.
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          • Author by MiG (February 13, 2010 12:54 pm ET)
               
            Enlighten me on the constitutionality of cole slaw.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (February 13, 2010 1:14 pm ET)
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            To promote the general welfare. Remember that one?
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            • Author by jms (February 13, 2010 7:04 pm ET)
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              So you believe that our Founders wanted to give the Federal government unlimited, omnipotent power to direct the affairs of the citizens of the States? Brilliant.
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          • Author by bintx (February 14, 2010 8:28 pm ET)
               
            Based upon your posts here, you wouldn't know if we pointed you to the Constitutionality of the program here ANYWAY. You believe Beck knows what he's talking about for gosh sakes.


            BTW, when I was in school, we got Presidential fitness awards for completing fitness programs proscribed by the federal government. I had all the little patches on my PE uniforms. Was it un-Constitutional in the late 60s?

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            • Author by papa bear3 (February 15, 2010 10:13 am ET)
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              . . . putting everything in a context that Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity can understand, you won't be able to recruit enough young people who can pass the physical training tests required to be in the military to fight these wars on terror.

              I remember those Presidential Fitness Awards and the gym classes that followed, sort of anticipating basic training, come to think of it I never saw a fat Viet Cong. I wonder if the Taliban/Al Quida have a fitness program . . .

              There, now you don't have to worry about constitutionality, you are supporting the national defense!!!
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      • Author by epkklk851 (February 13, 2010 10:49 am ET)
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        Do you want to tell me where you are getting this information about how it has to be for ALL the people before it can be for ANY of the people? Oh, and the only place I could find any credence being given to the Hoover Dam being unconstitutional after some of the initial jocking for power in the 1930's was from a rabbid racist. If this is the typical quality of your sources, it doesn't say much for you.
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        • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 11:03 am ET)
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          "Do you want to tell me where you are getting this information about how it has to be for ALL the people before it can be for ANY of the people?"
          The Founder's own words?
          That the object to which an appropriation of money is to be made be General and not local; its operation extending in fact, or by possibility, throughout the Union, and not being confined to a particular spot.
          Now you tell me how using federal funds for the Hoover dam was Constitutional. What power authorized its construction?
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          • Author by epkklk851 (February 13, 2010 12:42 pm ET)
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            That isn't in the Constitution. You cherry-picked Republican talking points from the last few months. Your quote is taken from a 13 page document of Hamilton's writings called "Report on the Subject of Manufactures written in December of 1791. It actually comes from the next to the last paragraph of Section IV. Below is the next, and last paragraph on the section which has to do with "Pecuniary Bounties".

            "No objection ought to arise to this construction from a supposition that it would imply a power to do whatever else should appear to Congress conducive to the general welfare. A power to appropriate money with this latitude which is granted too in express terms would not carry a power to do any other thing, not authorized in the Constitution, either expressly or by fair implication."

            By the way, if you tried to turn in an English or History paper with this shoddy/ uncited research any high school teacher would funk your sorry backside!
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          • Author by ilikeike (February 13, 2010 4:13 pm ET)
               
            you do realize that the power generated by the dam was spread out over a wide area, dont you? or did you think only the dams neighbours benefited
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          • Author by skycatcher (February 13, 2010 4:24 pm ET)
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            Ask and you shall receive. Please understand that what is and isn't constitutional isn't as simple as pulling up the Constitution on your web browser, pushing CTRL-F, and typing in a keyword. We do not spend 3 years in law school for that. For your edification, here is an excerpt from U.S. v. Ariz., 295 U.S. 174, 183 (1935)(internal citations omitted).

            "Arizona owns the part of the river bed that is east of the thread of the stream. Her jurisdiction in respect of the appropriation, use and distribution of an equitable share of the waters flowing therein is unaffected by the Compact or federal reclamation law. But the title of the State is held subject to the power granted to Congress by the commerce clause, and under that clause Congress has power to cause to be built a dam across the river in aid of navigation. The [Hoover Dam] is an example of the exertion of that power."
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            • Author by skycatcher (February 13, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
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              And in case you can't tell from the citation, that is a quote from the United States Supreme Court, i.e. the Law of the Land.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (February 13, 2010 10:52 am ET)
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        You just swallow Becks vomit. It seems we are already paying a cost.
        "...Estimating that $150 billion is spent annually to treat obesity-related health issues, the administration is also calling for reauthorization of the Child Nutrition Act -- which helps to provide lunch to 31 million students living at or near the poverty line every school day -- all while improving the nutritional standards for school meals..."

        People like you make me sick.

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        • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 11:01 am ET)
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          The States should be more than capable to provide for their citizens. I am not out to get the poor, hungry children. I am all for helping the needy but it must not be from the federal government. Programs like these do not serve the General Welfare they serve a specific group of people.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (February 13, 2010 11:21 am ET)
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            You are a crazy lunatic exposing cooky crackpot ideas. The Hoover Dam unconstitutional? STFU! You have lost dang mind.
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            • Author by congero6189599 (February 13, 2010 11:23 am ET)
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              You have lost your dang mind. You want people to take time to prove your stupid allegations wrong? You are out of your dam mind.
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              • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 11:28 am ET)
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                I've already stated why it was unconstitutional. I've managed to even find a quote from one of our Founders (a more liberal Founder at that) which I believe proves me right. What have you done other than make ad hominem attacks against me?
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                • Author by congero6189599 (February 13, 2010 11:35 am ET)
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                  I repeat I don't wrestle with pigs.
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                  • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 11:53 am ET)
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                    I don't know what that even means. All I know is that you have no argument so you say stupid things.
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                    • Author by bintx (February 14, 2010 8:38 pm ET)
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                      It means, if you wrestle with a pig, all that happens is that you get dirty and the pig likes it. In other words, don't argue with someone who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about {you} because it accomplishes nothing and the pig {you} likes it.
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                • Author by raddave43 (February 14, 2010 12:16 am ET)
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                  A quote from the founding fathers doesn't determine if something is constitutional or not. Many of the founding fathers owned slaves, does that make it constitutional?
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                • Author by bintx (February 14, 2010 8:36 pm ET)
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                  You posted a quote from Alexander Hamilton. That does not prove that anything is "unconstitutional." Give the Constitutional citation which "proves" your point.
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          • Author by Lord of Light (February 13, 2010 11:25 am ET)
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            Most states are facing budget problems thanks mostly to idiotic tax cuts enacted while they had surpluses 10 years ago (all over the warnings of economists that the surpluses wouldn't last). Guess which party was mainly responsible? And guess which party objects every time someone tries to raise a finger to alleviate human suffering and attempts to do it through the government?

            Heck, in Florida, supposed "moderate" Chuckie Crist pushed a boatload of tax cuts two years ago even though they would have affected localities' basic ability to provide police and fire protection. But hey, it was sure good for his credentials!

            I love this alternate universe the GOP/the Tea Klux Klan lives in, where government services are paid for by magic fairies sprinkling dust from the heavens, not taxes.
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            • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 11:41 am ET)
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              "the Tea Klux Klan "

              You really have no clue, do you? You should be agreeing with the Tea Party movement. It's a bad thing anytime a government spends more than it makes. Period. Everybody on this site should be supporting the Tea Party movement purely for that reason.
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              • Author by Lord of Light (February 13, 2010 12:16 pm ET)
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                I'm not for government waste (as if anyone is -- contrary to demagogues like Rush Limbaugh is), but I'm not aligning myself with racists. And yes, I define people waving Confederate flags, hanging effigies of the president, signs with swastikas, etc. as racists. And if those are isolated incidents, why weren't any of the other tea idiots denouncing them?

                BTW, states by law must balance their budget, unlike the feds. So any tea party person complaining about a state "spend[ing] more than it makes" is just blowing smoke. Not that I'm expecting any the Tea Klux Klan to actually educate themselves on facts.
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                • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 12:37 pm ET)
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                  "And yes, I define people waving Confederate flags, hanging effigies of the president, signs with swastikas, etc. as racists"
                  Every single one of those things you just mentioned - apart from the Confederate flag - was also done when Bush was in office. Were those people ever denounced?

                  "states by law must balance their budget, unlike the feds. So any tea party person complaining about a state "spend[ing] more than it makes" is just blowing smoke"
                  The movement is about the federal government, not the state.

                  "Not that I'm expecting any the Tea Klux Klan to actually educate themselves on facts. "
                  Ad hominem attacks. That's all you have. There's no basis to formulate the opinion that the Tea Party movement is a racist movement.
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                  • Author by foghornleghorn (February 13, 2010 1:16 pm ET)
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                    There's no basis to formulate the opinion that the Tea Party movement is a racist movement

                    Do you really want us to post photos of the teabaggers' signs yet again?

                    You may put your head back in the sand.
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                    • Author by Lord of Light (February 13, 2010 1:35 pm ET)
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                      At their convention, they also cheered Tom Tancredo calling for Jim Crow-like laws to prevent minorities from voting. Not racist at all!
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                      • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 2:13 pm ET)
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                        Is that what was said? They wanted a law to prevent minorities from voting? Are you sure that's what he said? You might want to go back and double check.

                        By the way I know what quote you're referring to and I don't endorse what he was saying. I'm just pointing out that he wasn't advocating for minorities not to vote.
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                    • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 2:11 pm ET)
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                      "Do you really want us to post photos of the teabaggers' signs yet again? "

                      I'm afraid that is very impossible as there are Tea Party protesters but no such thing as "teabaggers".
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                      • Author by raddave43 (February 14, 2010 12:21 am ET)
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                        Teabaggers was the name the Tea Party adopted as the name of its members, because they did not realize the definition of the term until the media pointed it out to them and then they started trying to blame the media for it.
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                      • Author by oneeyedmike (February 15, 2010 9:14 am ET)
                           
                        I'll stop calling them teabaggers when they stop referring to the "democrat party"
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              • Author by SMTDL (February 13, 2010 12:56 pm ET)
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                I don't support movements that support wild conspiracy theories and cheer for bigoted ,racist rhetoric that sound like the John Birch Society from the 50's and 60's.
                Even tho there are legitimate issues on spending etc.,the TeaParty supporters have little credibility since they only got riled up right after Obama was inaugurated.They also quote lots of inaccuracies about who's responsible for the current deficit.I've heard them quote Bush deficit numbers that are totally wrong.If its about BIG Governement then spread the attacks around accurately!!!Except for a part of the stimulus ,the remaining deficit is from Bush spending and continuation of Bush Programs.For what Bush programs did they want funding to stop?( the two wars? Tarp?,just ignore the dead economy and looming depression)They need to stop acting as if deficit spending is so new and just because of Obama...how many Bush signs do we see at Tea Party rallies??Very very few if any.Why is that??? Obama actually reduced the Bush proposed budget by eliminating wasteful military spending(so it increased military spending less than Bush had proposed and he was criticized of course).Who has had a tax increase in last 10 years??...Nobody!! ..but most got a tax cut last year as part of the stimulus plan from President Obama.So who has done all of this taxing that drives the Tea party people crazy?The only likely increase anytime soon will be on high earners ..What % of Tea Party "real Americans" fall into this category? Yes there is proposed spending that will drive up the deficit but its about reinvesting in our country and our people instead of just military and war spending which get no crticism as far as I can see from this group.The Iraq war is the biggest military blunder in history and we ignore how that happened.Why isn't the Teaparty angry about the loss of life and wasted money in Iraq? What is their solution to Health Care?The PROPOSED Obama healthcare plan will help drive down the deficit and is designed to pay for itself.All I hear is what they are against and their attacks on diversity and multiculturalism.These are supposed to be what the American dream is about..right?
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          • Author by bilbo_dies (February 13, 2010 12:02 pm ET)
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            I know you don't understand but; even a program targeted at one specific group of people can promote the welfare of all the people.

            BTW Since you are such a constitutional scholar, maybe you should take this to court and use the system to stop all these programs, etc that are unconstitutional. Just complaining about on the intertubes is not going to get anything done.
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            • Author by congero6189599 (February 13, 2010 12:11 pm ET)
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              Exactly! What a nut.
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            • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 12:38 pm ET)
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              Yeah what a nut I am. And yet I still haven't had anybody refute my arguments on the Constitutionality of some of these programs. Funny, isn't it?

              "I know you don't understand but; even a program targeted at one specific group of people can promote the welfare of all the people."
              Tell me how that works exactly.
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              • Author by MiG (February 13, 2010 1:14 pm ET)
                   
                Come on, your 'argument' was a vague quote from one of the Founding Fathers. It was not in the Constitution - do you understand how that makes a difference? Would your argument be that ANY quote from ANY Founder at ANY time should implicitly be the rule a law? 'Any guy on the Internet' can see how that would be crazy assumption - that includes you!

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              • Author by jeffro (February 13, 2010 1:38 pm ET)
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                Until the teabaggers start to question the TRILLIONS gone missing to pentagon contractors I cannot take them seriously.
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              • Author by Ecotopian (February 13, 2010 1:51 pm ET)
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                Well, for example, if government provides a malnourished kid with nutritious meals on a regular basis, that kid is more likely to perform well in school, graduate, and contribute something worthwhile to the "welfare of the all the people." Why are basic realities like that so hard for conservatives to get their heads around?
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                • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 2:06 pm ET)
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                  That's not what is meant by the General Welfare. If you apply your definition then the government is no longer one of limited powers but one of unlimited powers.
                  With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.
                  If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one subject to particular exceptions.
                  James Madison would clearly disagree with you.
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                • Author by sallyspillsit (February 15, 2010 5:17 pm ET)
                     
                  Because conservatives, for the most part believe in short-term benefits. You see this as long term. Its that simple. Anytime there is change to a system, government or otherwise, it takes money. Even to SAVE money, it takes money. You think long-term and you get it.
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              • Author by bilbo_dies (February 13, 2010 1:54 pm ET)
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                It is not up to me to disprove or prove the efficy of your aurguments.

                But; by your definition, "any program that targets only one group of people is unconstitutional" (paraphrased) that would mean that the educational benefits given to veterans would be unconstitutional. Studies have shown that for every $ spent on V.A. educational benefits has shown a $10 return to society at large. (increase in income and jobs, increased tax revenue, etc)

                If you care to learn more, here is a good read that explains some of the good and bad behind the G.I Bill.

                THE GI BILL: A New Deal for Veterans
                By Glenn C. Altschuler and Stuart M. Blumin

                As far as this article. I would think healthier kids would benefit society at large. Type two diabetes used to be less than 5% in young kids in 1994, now it is about 20%.
                Just think, healthier citizens (starting with kids) makes a healthier nation.

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                • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 2:10 pm ET)
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                  I can make the argument though that VA benefits would belong under the Department of Defense, something that is Constitutional: "Congress shall have the power To raise and support Armies"

                  Would you not agree?

                  As for your other point about healthier kids being more beneficial to society at large, I agree with that. But read my response to Ecotopian above for that.
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                  • Author by bilbo_dies (February 13, 2010 2:50 pm ET)
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                    Nope, I would not agree.

                    From your perspective it is OK for the government to spend money for "specific" groups of people, as long as you agree they should spend the money for that group.

                    So are you saying the the Veterans Administration is unconstitutional?

                    BTW Anyone can "argue" that the earth is flat or is the center of the universe. All they have to do is deny any evidence that counters their argument.
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                    • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 3:00 pm ET)
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                      What do you mean you "would not agree"?? I said the VA is Constitutional due to the power Congress is authorized "To raise and support Armies". It's the support part that makes it just and legal.

                      Look, I know you normally disagree with me but this isn't a point even worth arguing as we both clearly agree. I was even clear in my last post:
                      I can make the argument though that VA benefits would belong under the Department of Defense, something that is Constitutional: "Congress shall have the power To raise and support Armies"
                      Then you come back claiming I'm saying it's unconstitutional? WTF?
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                      • Author by bilbo_dies (February 13, 2010 3:29 pm ET)
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                        The V.A. is seperate from the department of defense and has nothing to do with "raising an army". Based on your previous statements that the goverenment can't provide support for specific parties or groups but; only to the country as a whole. You said "I can make the argument though that VA benefits would belong under the Department of Defense, something that is Constitutional." Ergo, then the V.A. must not be constitutional based on your own arguments and statements.


                        BTW I don't disagree with you. I disagree with your specious arguments.

                        I believe the government is probably larger than it should be. I also believe Americans, in general, are fine with most of the programs, etc that benefit them but; are mostly unwilling to pay the price to support them.

                        I would like to see more than a two party system of government. The Tea Party does not appear to be the kind of party I would support though. there are probably a ton of these that we could agree on in general but; this blanket "if it doesn't benefit everyone it is unconstitutional" statement you use is bunk.
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                        • Author by MagCynic (February 13, 2010 4:07 pm ET)
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                          OK. You got me on it being a separate department. It's still Constitutional though under the Congressional power I cited; not to raise an Army but in order to support it.

                          "this blanket "if it doesn't benefit everyone it is unconstitutional" statement you use is bunk. "
                          - It's not bunk. Programs that use federal tax money that are initiated to provide for the General Welfare must apply to the populace as a whole. It cannot be directed towards one specific group or locality. Alexander Hamilton said this himself.

                          That's why I've said in the past that universal health care and free college tuition would be Constitutional if it applied equally to everybody. It can't be just for the young or the old or the rich or the poor. It has to be everybody on an equal footing.
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                          • Author by Veebeep (February 13, 2010 4:18 pm ET)
                               
                            All programs, whether federal, state, county or even sometimes city include federal funds from national taxpayers. These funds are provided TO states, etc. to act as distribution functionaries. Your argument is stupid, as various regions, states, counties, etc. have DIFFERENT criteria for distributing federal funds AND different programs; some for young, some for old, some for poor, some for not so poor. Grow up, MagCynic. There are plenty of ways the gov't is stepping outside the Constitution--none of which have you mentioned.
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                          • Author by Veebeep (February 13, 2010 4:18 pm ET)
                               
                            All programs, whether federal, state, county or even sometimes city include federal funds from national taxpayers. These funds are provided TO states, etc. to act as distribution functionaries. Your argument is stupid, as various regions, states, counties, etc. have DIFFERENT criteria for distributing federal funds AND different programs; some for young, some for old, some for poor, some for not so poor. Grow up, MagCynic. There are plenty of ways the gov't is stepping outside the Constitution--none of which have you mentioned.
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                          • Author by bilbo_dies (February 13, 2010 5:23 pm ET)
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                            I do believe that Hamilton lived before the Sixteenth Amendment was passed.(?)


                            "this blanket "if it doesn't benefit everyone it is unconstitutional" statement you use is bunk. "

                            Sorry if my paraphrasing is too far off the mark but; I do believe that is the basic fact that you have support. From a previous post.

                            I am all for helping the needy but it must not be from the federal government. Programs like these do not serve the General Welfare they serve a specific group of people.
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                          • Author by The_Cat (February 14, 2010 12:16 am ET)
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                            College educations and health care are currently not equally available to everyone, MagCynic. But to say that someone with an income below the poverty level and a billionaire should both be allowed to attend college and have health care at no cost is simply not viable.

                            herefore, those who are unable to pay should not be made to. Those who are able to pay should pay. Those able to to pay for both themselves and those less fortunate should pay for both. To that end, we have government. It establishes the standards of who can and cannot pay, and collects taxes to fund the services it supports.

                            This argument applies equally well to things like the armed services. They protect us all, and so everyone capable of funding them out of their income is taxed, and rightly so. To argue that tax money must pay for the millionaire's college tuition as well as the tuition for the impoverished is not rational.
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                          • Author by raddave43 (February 14, 2010 12:29 am ET)
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                            That the object to which an appropriation of money is to be made be General and not local; its operation extending in fact, or by possibility, throughout the Union, and not being confined to a particular spot.


                            The quote says nothing about specific persons or anything about persons, but says it must be used thoughout the union which social programs are.
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                  • Author by ilikeike (February 13, 2010 4:22 pm ET)
                       
                    no I would not . veterans are former soldiers, not part of any army. therefore where is congress power to aim programs at veterans. by your logic, it has none.
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              • Author by GreenLantern (February 13, 2010 6:15 pm ET)
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                "I know you don't understand but; even a program targeted at one specific group of people can promote the welfare of all the people."
                Tell me how that works exactly.

                Bet you were for "tinkle down economics".
                mega tax cuts to already rich people and hope, (but not really expect) maybe some of them might not put the money into their own pockets or stock market portfolios, and create jobs for others. Bet you were for that!
                I am sure that is "different" or you will deny it. I have seen your posts.
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              • Author by skycatcher (February 13, 2010 9:46 pm ET)
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                I refuted it, conclusively and decisively I might add, above. I hope you learned from my post. I'll be glad to discuss if you're not just being argumentative.
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              • Author by raddave43 (February 14, 2010 12:23 am ET)
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                It has been refuted by constitutional lawyers, judges and the supreme court. I doubt that you have studied law and are in no position to argue with them. No program targets one specific group of people, it is available for everyone to use if needed.
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          • Author by ilikeike (February 13, 2010 4:16 pm ET)
               
            if a significant reduction in childhood obesity could be achieved, and I am not optimistic, do you not see how that would be to the general welfare, in terms of lower health care costs alone? I see why you are a fan of Beck. you will search for any excuse to decry any policy of this administration. Be honest with yourself. when you watch the news you are ready to find fault with anything this president is for.
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          • Author by raddave43 (February 14, 2010 12:13 am ET)
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            they do serve the general welfare becaust they are available to everyone to use if needed.
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          • Author by raddave43 (February 14, 2010 12:15 am ET)
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            Most states aren't capable of providing for their citizens and have to rely on federal funds to meet their budget needs.
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          • Author by bintx (February 14, 2010 8:32 pm ET)
               
            I am not out to get the poor, hungry children. I am all for helping the needy but it must not be from the federal government. Programs like these do not serve the General Welfare they serve a specific group of people.


            "I"? I thought you were defending Beck's opinion here.
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      • Author by ilikeike (February 13, 2010 4:11 pm ET)
           
        unconstitutional how? because it is proposed by a Democrat?
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    • Author by Veebeep (February 13, 2010 4:11 pm ET)
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      To MagCynic:

      "It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in an argument."
      -- William G. McAdoo

      "You know there's somethin' happenin', but you don't know what it is; do you, Mr. Jones?" --Bob Dylan

      Get a clue.

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    • Author by Veebeep (February 13, 2010 4:11 pm ET)
         
      To MagCynic:

      "It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in an argument."
      -- William G. McAdoo

      "You know there's somethin' happenin', but you don't know what it is; do you, Mr. Jones?" --Bob Dylan

      Get a clue.

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    • Author by macfolk (February 13, 2010 10:33 pm ET)
         
      The surprising irony that is being missed here is that the government is a large part of the problem and now they want to be part of the solution. Except their solution is more governmental control. The federal government has chosen to subsidize a few particular crops like corn and soy. By subsidizing corn, they encourage corn farming which is used for corn syrup. By making corn syrup cheaper, the government has reduce the price of processed foods. Cheaper foods can be purchased and consumed in greater quantities. People still bear the responsibility to choose, but the deck is being stacked against them.

      I read an interesting article which said that if US citizens ate food in accordance with the food pyramid supplied by the Department of Health, the country would run out of most produce within a few months. I don't support government subsidies in general, but it seems like the solution to the problem is to subsidizes healthy foods and not processed foods. Better yet, the government should stay out of food and our lives and get back to what it was designed to do - protect our civil liberties.
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    • Author by Jeremy Danials (February 14, 2010 1:37 am ET)
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      [http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/Byt3Man/beavis-butthead-Bush.jpg]
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    • Author by bintx (February 14, 2010 8:23 pm ET)
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      All I can say is . . . if Beck really does the ridiculous stuff he spews and if he really is as paranoid as he seems, I am so very sorry for him. There are medications that can control these conditions. Instead of encouraging him, his employers should get him help.

      I'm serious.
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    • Author by ProgLib (February 14, 2010 10:00 pm ET)
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      When have progressives ever lobbied to get rid of activity in schools and keeping them from being active?
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