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Attn media: "Tea Party" isn't ideologically diverse; Ron Paul isn't consistent

February 23, 2010 1:23 pm ET by Jamison Foser

Washington Post reporter Ben Pershing gives the Tea Party movement and Ron Paul too much credit:

Ben Pershing: So far Ron Paul has given no indication that he wants to form a third party. If he did, it would have a pretty obvious name -- the Libertarian Party. Unlike the Tea Party groups, which combine elements from a variety of different ideologies (and also have plenty of disagreements amongst themselves), Paul has a long-developed and clear Libertarian philosophy. But he hasn't done anything to suggest he wants to form a third party rather than just try to move the GOP in his direction. Note that's what his son, Rand Paul, is doing in the Kentucky Senate primary. 

First, I'm not sure how many different ideologies are actually represented by "the Tea Party groups."  There's conservatism, and some libertarianism.  What else?  Liberalism?  No, not really. (Worth keeping in mind: Tea Party folks are very, very Republican.)  Socialism?  Anarchism?

Second: Ron Paul's "clear Libertarian philosophy" doesn't include abortion. He opposes abortion rights.  The Libertarian Party (like Ayn Rand, among other libertarian heros) says "we believe that government should be kept out of the matter."  And Paul calls the Defense of Marriage Act "proper," while the Libertarian Party platform says "Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships."  So, basically, Paul's "clear Libertarian philosophy" is that he opposes government intervention in people's lives -- except when he supports it.

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    • Author by Dradeeus (February 23, 2010 1:38 pm ET)
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      It seems like they want small government and the people to have the liberty (hence the name Libertarians) to choose for themselves.

      Except when they don't.
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      • Author by Dradeeus (February 23, 2010 1:41 pm ET)
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        ..Oh, nevermind, that's exactly what the last line of the article says. Sorry.
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    • Author by farans195 (February 23, 2010 1:40 pm ET)
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      I think you forgot the ideologies of Racism, Absurdism, Academicism. I am sure there are more, but I have no time.....
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      • Author by MiG (February 23, 2010 2:52 pm ET)
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        There is one ideology that Tea Party members have in common: Anti-Obamaism. They agree on very little else.
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (February 23, 2010 1:45 pm ET)
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      Sounds like a conundrum within a conundrum to me. What do they stand for?
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      • Author by Dradeeus (February 23, 2010 1:52 pm ET)
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        I used to be a supporter of Ron Paul until I realized these glaring contradictions.

        For instance, he claims to dislike out-of-control Corporatism, but his voting record obviously shows he's shot down any and all government intervention. I have to ask myself, what WOULD he have done if he became president? Give corporations a stern talking-to?
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        • Author by dirtylittlereligion (February 23, 2010 2:21 pm ET)
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          I as well. It's just at some point there has to be questioning of overly optimistic Utopian-ism like what is peddled by Paul. He feels there is a problem with corporations putting the squeeze on the rest of the public, yet his proposal is to dismantle every regulatory government program? Who will monitor and enforce labor laws, sanitation and safety codes?

          That whole "police themselves" thing has, demonstratively, not worked out in the past. It's nice to dream that it would be all peace and love and compassion...but as humans, we're greedy, spiteful pieces of sh!t. The unregulated wet dream of libertarians is just as much a fantasy cartoon world as communism.

          I think a lot of the more moderate republicans are going to be drawn in to his much more radical camp. Simply because Ron Paul doesn't peddle in the batsh!t craziness of his peers, he seems reasonable, and seems (for the most part) to stand on his principles. I admire him for that. I just think his ideas come out of some parallel dimension where humans have overcome all of their most basic flaws.
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        • Author by wookie (February 23, 2010 2:29 pm ET)
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          The talk against Corporatism is typical of their fake populism. The fact of the matter is Libertarians consistently favor corporations. From pushing property rights over labor or consumer protection rights to the fact that the richest organizations will inevidably buy influence over the government to gain an unfair advantage.
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          • Author by John Paradox (February 23, 2010 2:39 pm ET)
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            Some years back, when I actually had a 'party' on my registration, I signed as Libertarian. Then, I went to a local Libertarian Party meeting, and listened to all the whining about how Corporations aren't getting a 'fair shake'. Not a word about Personal Liberty.

            Shortly thereafter, I decided to fill the Party Affiliation as NONE.
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        • Author by Jurgan (February 23, 2010 2:36 pm ET)
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          Of course, just like John Mccain wanted to "jawbone" (I think that's the word he used) with corporations to get them to cooperate. And he wanted to sit Sunnis and Shiites down together and tell them to "cut the [B.S.]." I guess you don't need laws if you have a macho tough guy leader. Oh, but wait, I thought negotiating was a sign of weakness, so... I'm lost...
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          • Author by Jurgan (February 23, 2010 2:37 pm ET)
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            Also: I never get tired of the fact that Ron Paul named his son (Ayn?) Rand.
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          • Author by John Paradox (February 23, 2010 2:39 pm ET)
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            'Jawboning' similar to what Samson did would be more appropriate IMHO.
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        • Author by kujo76 (February 23, 2010 3:23 pm ET)
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          Ron Paul has a very clear and consistent three-point message for dealing with out-of-control and ill-intentioned corporations: 1) Prosecute fraud to the fullest extent (plenty of fraud laws already exist if only they were prosecuted), 2) Uphold contracts, and, most importantly, 3) allow insolvent companies to fail. The market would have punished all of the deceitful financial firms a long time ago and a long time before the overall financial condition of this nation became so calamitous if the institutions and investments that these firms were involved with weren't propped up by government guarantees. The current establishment position on dealing with deceitful financial organizations is to 1) stabilize the investments of the largest and most powerful firms at all cost (i.e., taxpayer cost), and 2) to bail them out if they approach insolvency or large losses (unless, that is, if a failing firm is a direct competitor of a larger and even more well-connected firm). You tell me, who really has a better stance against corporatism and those deceitful institutions that benefit from such a system? Ron Paul, whose policies would rid our system of them (or at least penalize them through losses and fines), or Bush/Obama, whose policies have consistently subsidized and rewarded the very behavior that they claim intent on controlling?
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        • Author by Dradeeus (February 23, 2010 5:11 pm ET)
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          Also.. I hate to bring it up, but a portion of his supporters also have a large interest in his.. well, his repeal of drug prohibition.

          I have mixed feelings on this, even though I can't stand recreational drugs, I am very in favor of large-scale legalization.

          It is far from his only respectable quality (in the minds of his supporters), but it is a contributing factor towards his popularity, and unfortunately many younger supporters of Paul will instantly go towards that direction when in a debate.
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          • Author by phredicles (February 23, 2010 6:22 pm ET)
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            Well, it's like the saying: A libertarian is a Republican who likes his weed.
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    • Author by Seantzizl (February 23, 2010 2:28 pm ET)
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      Ron Paul really has nothing to do with the tea parties anymore. They have been hi-jacked by the neo-cons that are prevelant in both parties. Not every libertarian is pro-choice, and as with marriage, Paul's platform was to leave those issues up to the states (which is the constitutional approach).
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    • Author by knowledgereigns (February 23, 2010 3:01 pm ET)
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      Ron Paul is a Conservative-Leaning Libertarian.

      http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
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    • Author by Brian Defferding (February 23, 2010 4:26 pm ET)
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      Jamison: You are wrong on what Ron Paul says on the Defense of Marriage Act. Please read here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul207.html

      The very opening line from his speech Dr.Ron Paul states "Mr. Speaker, while I oppose federal efforts to redefine marriage as something other than a union between one man and one woman, I do not believe a constitutional amendment is either a necessary or proper way to defend marriage."

      And this is from another interview: http://www.queerty.com/ron-paul-on-gay-marriage-20071210/

      "John Stossel: Homosexuality. Should gays be allowed to marry?

      Ron Paul: Sure.

      Stossel: The State says, we will believe in this?

      Paul: Sure they can do whatever they want and they can call it whatever they want , just so they don't expect to impose their relationship on somebody else. They can't make me, personally, accept what they do, but they gay couples can do whatever they want. In fact, I'd like to see all governments out of the marriage question."

      You are cherry picking your facts and misrepresenting Ron Paul. On Media Matters...imagine that.

      Ron Paul opposes abortion but believes it is a state issue. That's more consistent to his federalist approach. Of course, he has a billion other views that are Libertarian in every sense of the word, and has stood by it for decades of being in office, but I'm sure your reality-blotters are on tight enough for you not to see...or care.
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      • Author by eweston8542983 (February 23, 2010 8:58 pm ET)
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        The latter two items in the link about his stance on the gay marrige issue do not support you.
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      • Author by DellDolly (February 23, 2010 10:20 pm ET)
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        Lew Rockwell? Really? You want us to trust ANYTHING from that site?

        Get a clue.
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        • Author by Brian Defferding (February 26, 2010 11:23 am ET)
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          DelDolly: You didn't even bother to read where that quote was from, you immediately knee-jerked a reaction without, well, thinking. That link was from a transcript speech Ron Paul gave on the CONGRESSIONAL FLOOR during the DOMA debate. He was objecting for it to be passed. He didn't call it "proper" at all.

          Get an attention span. And an attitude adjustment as well. It posts like these, as well as error-filled tripe like this blog, which goes to show that Media only Matters on this site when it only serves their point of view.

          Eweston: Uh, yes it does, but go ahead and keep thinking it doesn't.

          Man, this site is hilarious.
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    • Author by shaggles (February 23, 2010 5:08 pm ET)
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      Sounds like every republican I know. 'Keep the govt out of peoples private business...unless they want an abortion or are teh gay.'
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    • Author by joerobertson (February 23, 2010 8:14 pm ET)
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      Yes Jamison - Ron Paul represents the biggest threat to your over-reaching Federal Government.

      Ron Paul 2012
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    • Author by mikerz (February 23, 2010 10:15 pm ET)
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      Ron Paul supporting the Defense of Marriage Act? Lies. http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul207.html

      Please, google before you post information pertaining to reality.

      Also, google "Liberalism" and you will find that Ron Paul is totally in the tradition of Liberalism.
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    • Author by ABCDEFG (February 26, 2010 11:40 am ET)
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      Can we stop calling pro-life libertarians inconsistent? If you believe that life begins at conception then the fetus is a human being and has a right to life.
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