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Rich Lowry's false and nonsensical attack on health care reform

March 09, 2010 2:36 pm ET by Jamison Foser

National Review's Rich Lowry writes of health care reform: "If the bill becomes law, it will suffer a legitimacy gap that will make it vulnerable to repeal."  But Lowry's reasons why health care reform will lack "legitimacy" don't make much sense -- and at least one is clearly dishonest.

First, Lowry notes the bill "will have passed on strictly partisan votes. ...Support from the minority party would show that it has the kind of broad, sustainable base of support it now lacks as the spawn of a heedless ideological bender."  Lowry overstates the extent to which a lack of bipartisan support in Congress makes legislation appear illegitimate, particularly after the fact.  No Republicans voted for Bill Clinton's 1993 budget -- a fact that, in the following years, undermined Republicans more than the budget.  And the Senate vote to authorize President Bush to use force in Iraq won the support of several Democrats -- but I don't see many people pointing to that vote as a great moment in Senate history.

Next, Lowry writes:

Two, its skids were greased with rotten deals. Democrats hope to eliminate the special provisions that have tarred the bill in a separate package of "fixes." Regardless, the bill wouldn't exist in its current form if key senators hadn't been bought off with hundreds of billions of dollars in legislative bribes. That taint can't be undone. 

Those weren't "bribes." They were "negotiations." That's what happens in legislative bodies in order to secure sufficient votes for passage.  I'm quite certain Rich Lowry is not prepared to argue against the legitimacy of any legislation that is passed after individual members hold out for the inclusion of provisions they favor.  "Bribes" are different things entirely, and they are illegal.

Lowry:

Three, a parliamentary trick is necessary to its final passage. Because Democrats no longer have 60 votes for the bill in the Senate, they have to pass their fixes under "reconciliation," short-circuiting the normal amendment process.

First, "the bill" has already passed the Senate.  The "normal amendment process" is what happens before a bill passes.  Reconciliation is a means of tweaking legislation that has already passed.  Nothing is being "short circuited" -- the bill already went through the "normal amendment process" before it passed the Senate, winning 60 votes to overcome a filibuster in the process.  And reconciliation isn't a "parliamentary trick," it's a part of the rules.  When Rich Lowry loses a hand of poker, does he complain that his adversary's full house defeated his pair of 4s only because of a "trick"?  Does he think a batter who reaches base via a walk does so by illegitimate trickery?

Next, Lowry insists "the bill has been sold under deliberately false pretenses. ...Obama insists that it will cut the deficit, bend the cost curve down, and reduce premiums, when it's likely to do the opposite on all three counts."  

Lowry must be using some definition of "deliberately false" that I'm unfamiliar with -- one that requires neither intent nor falsity.  See, the Congressional Budget Office says health care reform will reduce deficits -- that's a big part of why Barack Obama says health care reform will reduce deficits.  But in Rich Lowry's fantasy world, it's "deliberately false" to rely on the CBO's projections.  You should, instead, accept Rich Lowry's completely unsubstantiated assertions.

Now, it's pretty much inconceivable that Rich Lowry is unaware of CBO's projections.  So when Lowry writes that it is "deliberately false" to say something that is consistent with CBO's projections, one of two things must be true: Either Rich Lowry knows that Barack Obama knows that CBO is wrong, or Rich Lowry is being deliberately dishonest.  

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    • Author by foghornleghorn (March 09, 2010 2:46 pm ET)
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      And this clown was on Meet the Press this week. He should only be allowed on opposite Markos of DailyKos or Rachel Maddow.
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    • Author by bintx (March 09, 2010 2:49 pm ET)
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      Again, I just think of this man having lustful thoughts on his couche when he thinks Sarah Palin is winking at him through the television. I could NEVER take the man seriously, ever again.
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    • Author by DellDolly (March 09, 2010 3:07 pm ET)
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      The Dems ARE bypassing the normal Conference Committee negotiations - Rich Lowry wasn't very clear about that, but it's disingenuous to claim that they aren't doing something that is different from the standard process.

      However, reconciliation is a prefectly acceptable way to bypass that normal melding process. Just as your example above explains, a batter getting to first base via a walk isn't "cheating". It's just another way to get on base! It's not a trick, Lowry.
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    • Author by thebewilderness (March 09, 2010 3:15 pm ET)
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      I think there is a very clear strategy here.
      The bill passed at Christmas.
      The public pays less attention to politics during the Christmas season.
      Let's get the corporate media to pretend that the bill didn't pass.
      Not only that, let's pretend that reconciliation is being used to pass a bill that didn't pass legitimately.
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    • Author by wesley (March 09, 2010 5:19 pm ET)
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      -- See, the Congressional Budget Office says health care reform will reduce deficits -- that's a big part of why Barack Obama says health care reform will reduce deficits -- Foser

      Pres.Obama has been rightfully portrayed as someone who plays "fast and loose" with the facts...but I'll leave that alone for now because whether or not the president really believes the CBO numbers isn't relevant.

      The mmfa link to the CBO Director's report states the proposed plan will save a little over $100 billion in the next ten years. To accomplish that result the federal govt. will spend about $900 billion...offset by about $1 trillion in savings and increased revenue...as long as nothing changes in the next 10 years.

      That is the stumbling block called reality. Reflecting on the performances of past presidents and congresses shoots a gaping hole of reality in the argument posed by Foser and mmfa.

      Our govt.has repeatedly over-promised and under-performed. Meaning the odds are squarely in favor of the govt. spending more than the $900 billion over the next 10 years. Another odds on favorite is that they will fail to produce the promised savings and revenue.

      What is a certainty in the argument is that the govt. will spend at least $900 billion on the plan...with the savings/revenue as a lot of pie in the sky.

      It's simply a baloney-filled partisan sandwich to gamble nearly a trillion dollars that we don't have...on a health care bill that will never come close to matching the CBO projections...clearly backed by history.





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      • Author by DellDolly (March 09, 2010 6:13 pm ET)
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        Again, Wesley LIES about what Politifact says and its relevance. Of course, right after he MAKES his allegations the first substantive thing we see in his post, he claims that he's not making an issue of it! Dishonest weasel that he is. I have repeatedly debunked his assertions about Politifact - they lean right and their categories aren't as clearcut or as informative as Weasel claims.

        And all we have is predictions - what will happen if we do nothing and what will happen if we adopt this plan. And gov't HAS to utilize projections in order to run. Wesley the weasel's objections here don't hold water. They never have - they never will, at least on this topic!
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      • Author by angels4light (March 10, 2010 12:17 am ET)
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        You know, Wesley, you COULD be right. It IS possible that the projections won't happen the way they are projected. Is it just as possible, however, that the spending will be less and the savings more, as it is the opposite? We know your opinion on this, but I am simply asking whether it is possible? And what is so wrong about using the best information we have from the best source we can get it?
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        • Author by wesley (March 10, 2010 6:52 am ET)
             
          -- Is it just as possible, however, that the spending will be less and the savings more -- angels

          Is it possible? Yes. Is is "just" as possible? Nope. If you have some history to support the conclusion that large federal programs come in under budget I'd be glad to re-look at the situation.

          -- The Los Angeles Times and The Wall Street Journal reported on February 3 that the revised 10-year cost estimates of President Bush's Medicare prescription drug plan were less than earlier projected -- $678 billion, as opposed to $737 billion estimated in August 2005. In fact, while they were less than August 2005 projections, they were far more than the $400 billion estimate the administration provided Congress when trying to get the votes to approve the plan. -- mmfa

          I have not advocated ignoring the CBO numbers. I have advocated that it's silly to support the proposed health care reform by hanging your hat on the CBO report that says the plan will save money...it's just one piece of the puzzle.

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    • Author by grmce (March 10, 2010 4:01 am ET)
         
      The notion that any legislation passed by a majority of both chambers is illegitimate simply because that overwhelming majority happen to all belong to the majority party is both offensive and ludicrous. That 41 votes can frustrate the will of 59 votes is an outrageous proposition and any result thus achieved is illegitimate.

      It beggars belief that a person who puts forward such nonsense is given the privilege of a public platform to spout such rubbish.
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      • Author by wesley (March 10, 2010 8:26 am ET)
           
        -- That 41 votes can frustrate the will of 59 votes is an outrageous proposition -- grmce

        It certainly is outrageous...if you believe in mob rule.

        Ours is a republican form of govt. that sends representatives to congress to do what's best for our country...not to simply do the bidding of constituents...It's a neat little system if used properly.

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