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March 10, 2010 3:32 pm ET by Jamison Foser

National Review's Rich Lowry asserts something "most liberals haven't said and can't admit to the public or to themselves":

They care about health care so much that they are willing to resort to any maneuver to pass it. Many liberals have portrayed it as practically an everyday occurrence that far-reaching, historic social legislation lacking 60 votes in the Senate is passed through the reconciliation process. This is nonsense. Why not say that an end this important justifies almost any means, and Republicans, in the same position, would probably do the same thing? This would have the ring of truth about it. But such a concession would add another political burden to a bill with plenty of them already. Better to pretend that nothing extraordinary is going on. 

Of course, health care reform has already passed the Senate, having got the 60 votes in needed in order to do so.  Reconciliation isn't being used to pass "far-reaching, historic social legislation," it is being used to pass comparably small changes to that legislation.  

You almost have to be impressed by someone who is willing to be so completely misleading in order to criticize criticize other people for (supposedly) not telling the truth.  Almost.

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    • Author by grmce (March 10, 2010 3:51 pm ET)
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      Worse than the lie is the absolute contempt which Mr Lowry and his ilk demonstrate towards their fellow citizens.

      Over and over and over again.
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      • Author by Invent a Scandal (March 10, 2010 5:02 pm ET)
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        I'm afraid they've grown used to lying. It's practically a birth right at this point.
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      • Author by bintx (March 10, 2010 5:22 pm ET)
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        The Senate bill has already been passed with a 60 vote majority. All that is necessary now is for the House to pass it and the President to sign it. The reconciliation process comes AFTER the President has signed the already passed Senate bill into law.

        These people are disgusting and the media which is allowing them to foist this lie on the American public is just as disgusting.
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        • Author by smarshall1432997 (March 10, 2010 7:04 pm ET)
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          Bintx, this is why we get our "NEWS" from Media Matters, Countdown with Keith Olbermann, The Rachel Maddow Show, The Ed Schultz Show, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, The Colbert Report, News on MSNBC from David, Lawrence and Tamara, C-SPAN, and sometimes CNN - LOL.
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        • Author by DellDolly (March 10, 2010 7:49 pm ET)
             
          I don't think that's accurate. I'm pretty sure the House has to pass the Senate bill as is, and THEN the reconciliation will happen. Then the Senate will pass the reconciled bill, and then the President will sign it.
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    • Author by shaggles (March 10, 2010 4:51 pm ET)
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      Al Franken should've kicked his ass. ;)
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      • Author by seahawks123 (March 10, 2010 5:21 pm ET)
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        Al Franken is a moron full of the same hate as most libs.
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        • Author by bintx (March 10, 2010 6:11 pm ET)
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          Really? Give me facts, seahawks. You talk big, but you never post anything original, just talking points. Give us facts to support your claims.
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          • Author by smarshall1432997 (March 10, 2010 7:06 pm ET)
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            come on, you really think a Republican know what facts are? Hmmm. LOL.
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        • Author by political_left-religious_right (March 11, 2010 10:50 am ET)
             
          I'll confess I get a chuckle whenever seahawks calls anyone else a moron or claims that they are full of hate.
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (March 10, 2010 5:00 pm ET)
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      "They care about health care so much that they are willing to resort to any maneuver to pass it. Many liberals have portrayed it as practically an everyday occurrence that far-reaching, historic social legislation lacking 60 votes in the Senate is passed through the reconciliation process."

      Dummy. Yeah, far-reaching, historic legislation that has been in the making for over 60 years.
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      • Author by seahawks123 (March 10, 2010 5:22 pm ET)
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        Ever since FDR. Progressivs have strived to for that Soviet form of utopia.
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        • Author by bintx (March 10, 2010 5:24 pm ET)
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          And again, seabird shows up revealing his complete lack of understanding of anything that anyone is talking about . . .

          I'd point out the stupidity of your post, but it would be repetitious.
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          • Author by seahawks123 (March 10, 2010 5:29 pm ET)
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            It's right on the mark. Actually it's a bullseye.
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            • Author by bintx (March 10, 2010 5:53 pm ET)
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              Give me facts with links, seabird. Just posting BS talking points isn't facts. We always ask you for facts to support this crap and you never give any. Why is that? If you believe this nonsense so strongly, it would seem that you would want to give us proof. You never do, you just SQUAWK.
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              • Author by steeve (March 10, 2010 6:31 pm ET)
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                We don't really need links. We just need facts. Their playbook is so small that we'll already know if the facts offered are true or not.

                We need to teach these people the habit that arguments should be supported. Anything beyond that is too advanced.
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                • Author by bintx (March 10, 2010 6:33 pm ET)
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                  Exactly why I respond to these folks. If you leave their crap unanswered, it gives the appearance of fact.

                  I do prefer links to their facts, though. Many times, they aren't facts, just nonsense they picked up from a blog.
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                  • Author by smarshall1432997 (March 10, 2010 7:18 pm ET)
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                    most Republicans repeat talking points to get in on the discussions, and when facts are pointed out to them then they are fighting mad. For instance, on C-Span months ago this senior lady Republican Caller called in to tell Dems. to keep their filthy hands off her healthcare. She was asked what type of Healthcare did she have, and she responded so proudly Medicare. She was told it was a gov't run healthcare and she replied no it was NOT very angrily. Of course the Interviewer moved on, and we just lauged 'cause it reminded us of seeing Russia from one's house qualified as great Foreign skills for Republicans. Aaaaagghhh. LOL.
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            • Author by John Paradox (March 10, 2010 11:45 pm ET)
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              Wrong end of the bovine.
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        • Author by phredicles (March 10, 2010 6:01 pm ET)
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          stealers123 clearly has no sense of FDR's policies, what "progressivs" [sic] have "strived to for" [sic], what the Soviet Union was, or what utopia means. He lets a blowhard on the radio who can't think do his thinking for him.

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        • Author by MadRiver Jack (March 10, 2010 7:57 pm ET)
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          Ever since FDR. Progressivs have strived to for that Soviet form of utopia.
          Grammatically and linguistically this is difficult to decipher. You're making that liberalism-equals-communism arguement, no?
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