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EXCLUSIVE: Expert criticizes Stossel's "ahistorical" remarks on Civil Rights Act

May 20, 2010 5:41 pm ET by Matt McLaughlin

John Stossel's argument that the Public Accommodation section in the Civil Rights Act should be repealed and that the "free market" likely would have resolved the issue of racial discrimination by businesses is "ahistorical" and "unempirical," a civil rights expert said.

The Public Accommodation section of the Civil Rights Act prohibits discrimination "on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin" by businesses open to the general public, such as restaurants, hotels, and theaters.

In an interview with Media Matters, Andrew Grant-Thomas, deputy director of the Ohio State's Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity, characterized Stossel's comments as "a silly statement," adding, "Market forces hadn't exactly made anti-black discrimination disappear during the several centuries before the Civil Rights Act."

On Fox News' America Live, Stossel earlier today discussed the 1964 Civil Rights Act with host Megyn Kelly. Kelly asked, "How do you know that these private business owners, who owned restaurants and so on, would have said, 'You know what? We will take blacks. We'll take gays. We'll take lesbians,' if they hadn't been forced to do it?"

Stossel replied, "Because eventually they would have lost business. The free market competition would have cleaned the clocks of the people who didn't serve most customers."

Stossel went on to say, "[I]t's time now to repeal" the Public Accommodation section, "because private businesses ought to get to discriminate. And I won't won't ever go to a place that's racist and I will tell everybody else not to and I'll speak against them. But it should be their right to be racist."

When asked about Stossel's remarks, Grant-Thomas noted that even with the progress made since the Civil Rights Act's passage, racial discrimination is still a problem. "If you look at any market for which we've done extensive studies, significant discrimination remains," Grant-Thomas said. "It's clearly better than it was. But there's still discrimination."

Grant-Thomas pointed to the housing and employment markets as domains where the free market has not entirely dealt with the problem of racial discrimination.

"There are plenty of private organizations that currently -- and legally -- discriminate on the basis of race, or other grounds, in their membership. That hasn't caused them to go under," he said. "Indeed ...  in some key arenas -- like housing and schools, some people pay more for segregated settings."

Ultimately, Grant-Thomas took issue with Stossel's suggestion that a market would be the source of solution to the moral problem of discrimination. "The Civil Rights Act wasn't passed on economic grounds, but on moral and ethical grounds," he said. "Suggesting that market logic would have sufficed to weed out discriminators is pretty much besides the point in that respect."

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    • Author by txthinker (May 20, 2010 5:44 pm ET)
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      In an interview with Media Matters, Andrew Grant-Thomas, deputy director of the Ohio State's Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity, characterized Stossel's comments as "a silly statement... "
      A silly statement from a silly man.
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    • Author by terrapin53 (May 20, 2010 5:53 pm ET)
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      Right where I live.

      http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n6_v86/ai_15490484/


      'nuff said.
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    • Author by jjamele2880 (May 20, 2010 5:54 pm ET)
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      Funny how the "free market" didn't "naturally" wipe out discrimination in the hundred years after the Civil War. I'm sure we just didn't give it quite enough time, though.

      In a town of 10,000 whites and 2,000 blacks, there are two large grocery stores. The owner of one store knows that if he wants to keep the 10,000 whites happy, he'd better keep blacks out of his store. So he says "No Blacks Allowed." The owner of the other store puts up a sign that says "All Are Welcome."

      The store which discriminates gets the lion's share of the business from the town's white population, while the owner of the store which is open to all gets the business of all the African Americans and a tiny handful of whites. The non-discriminatory store gets smaller, the Whites-Only store gets bigger.

      Meanwhile, both stores enjoy the same protection from the police, fire department, etc, as well as the paved roads leading to their stores. These are services everyone pays for. Including black people, who pay taxes to pay for all the benefits the Whites Only store gets.

      Yes, the "free market" will fix everything. Of course it will.
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      • Author by ForTheLoveOfEllipsis... (May 20, 2010 6:33 pm ET)
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        Meanwhile, both stores enjoy the same protection from the police, fire department, etc, as well as the paved roads leading to their stores. These are services everyone pays for. Including black people, who pay taxes to pay for all the benefits the Whites Only store gets.

        This is the unanswerable argument against the Rand-Paul I-have-a-right-to-be-racist bigots, to wit: not on my dime you don't, and as long as businesses make use of any public services in order to operate, then by damn they don't have the right to discriminate...
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      • Author by cugagcmu805031 (May 20, 2010 8:00 pm ET)
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        Although the CRA of 1964 was law in 1980, it didn't keep the neighbors in a white neighborhood from joining together to buy a house to keep me and my ex from buying it. They chided the realtor by telling him that he should have been ashamed of himself for bringing n!g**rs into their neighborhood to buy a house. Stossel and Paul are wrong on this one, because if it happened to me, I have no problem believing that it happened to millions of other people.
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        • Author by blk-in-alabam (May 21, 2010 8:20 am ET)
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          Neighborhood associations do this on a regular basis today.I know cases where neighborhood association got in a bidding war to keep them out.The house owner held out and made them pay more than market value.The people they were trying to keep out bought a house in the same area for less.People in the area forgot that nursing homes owned quite a few houses there.The nursing home sold 3 houses to black families,and one to a hispanic family.
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    • Author by smarshall1432997 (May 20, 2010 6:22 pm ET)
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      You know, since the passing of Arizona's "profiled" Law ALOT of Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarians, Right-Wingers, etc. etc. ALL say the same thing when trying to explain away 'racist' statements made by one of their own's such as: ....'and I don't believe in this; or we all know it's wrong; or I definitely would not have said that; and blah blah blah'. Hmmm.

      Remember back in the day there was this favorite line of: ...some of my best friends are black, so I can't be a racist? Well, these people of today sound just like those from back in the day, huh? Hmmm, just sickening, sickening, sickening.
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    • Author by davemccarthymusic9410 (May 20, 2010 11:06 pm ET)
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      Let's have a replay, hmmmm?

      http://www.spike.com/video/john-stossel-slapped/2757542
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      • Author by swift (May 21, 2010 4:43 pm ET)
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        Ha, ha. But of course, now he's probably quite all right with Linda McMahon for Senator, when this guy will walk in as her bodyguard, and she's in jeweled spandex and a cape.
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    • Author by Sharpe (May 21, 2010 3:14 am ET)
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      Stossel's views are insane!! And getting worse by the year. His absurd idea that racism would be solved by the free market is bad enough. But in this quote, he is assuming that this country is somehow governed by capitalism. In fact, this country is supposed to be governed by a democracy, not free enterprise. The constitution doesnt say much in the way of free enterprise but is quite extensive in its objective of democracy. Stossel is seemingly advocating for capitalism to supersede democracy in this country even more than it already has. That we should cease legislating entirely and expect everything but our military to be "worked out" by the capitalist system. Of course, our current economy isnt even capitalism, its an oligopoly or some other hybrid far removed from the script penned by adam smith in the wealth of nations.
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    • Author by doggeddem (May 21, 2010 9:39 am ET)
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      John Stossel would be the first to patronize an establishment that discriminates, because he would be supporting a business that dared to discriminate. He is an arrogant, and hypocritical fraud.
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    • Author by SMTDL (May 22, 2010 12:26 pm ET)
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      With Rand Paul,Stossel and the Texas school curriculum changes all in one week,we see what embracing Tea Pary/Liberterian philosphy would bring: return of John Birch society and Jim Crow era policies.How can so many people think this backwards philosophy has any place in government or policymaking at any level!?
      How can a physician and a national media representative be so naive onhow discrimination works in actual situations.
      He needs to be black and run out of gas in a small all white town where no businesses serve blacks.Then what? Walk to the next town which may be the same..Just wait for tar/feathers and rope to really show him what a mistake he made by not filling up an hour earlier!!
      These two men are too old to think that just saying "I don't support any discrimination " makes their positions that it should be allowed is non-consequential freedom of speech!
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    • Author by grmce (May 22, 2010 12:29 pm ET)
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      When are the "free market" obsessives going to actually read Adam Smith?

      The problem with all of these fundamentalists, whether religious, political or philosophical, is that they never seem to understand the fundamentals of their professed belief system.
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    • Author by ButteryPat (May 22, 2010 11:08 pm ET)
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      This is what irritates me about libertarians and libertarian philosophy in general. It's all about clapping oneself on the back for one's own unimpeachable rationality, yet they espouse such incredibly irrational beliefs as "the market will cure racial discrimination". They're basically just right-wingers, only their God is capitalism.
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