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Milbank to Beck: "Stop encouraging" potential murderers

July 30, 2010 2:36 pm ET by Matt Gertz

In a column that will run in Sunday's Washington Post, Dana Milbank discusses Byron Williams' aborted attempt to gun down leaders of the Tides Foundation, a group often demonized by Glenn Beck. Noting our research indicating that Beck was virtually the only one on cable or network TV talking about the organization, Milbank writes:

It's not fair to blame Beck for violence committed by people who watch his show. Yet Williams isn't the only such character with a seeming affinity for the Fox News host. In April 2009, a man allegedly armed with an AK-47, a .22-caliber rifle and a handgun was charged with killing three cops in Pittsburgh. The Anti-Defamation League reported that the accused killer had, as part of a pattern of activities involving far-right conspiracy theories, posted a link on a neo-Nazi Web site to a video of Beck talking about the possibility that FEMA was operating concentration camps in Wyoming. The killings came after Beck told Fox viewers that he "can't debunk" the notion that FEMA was operating such camps -- but before he finally acknowledged that the conspiracy wasn't real.

Beck has at times spoken against violence, but he more often forecasts it, warning that "it is only a matter of time before an actual crazy person really does something stupid." Most every broadcast has some violent imagery: "The clock is ticking. . . . The war is just beginning. . . . Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government. . . . You have to be prepared to take rocks to the head. . . . The other side is attacking. . . . There is a coup going on. . . . Grab a torch!. . . . Drive a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers. . . . They are taking you to a place to be slaughtered. . . . They are putting a gun to America's head. . . . Hold these people responsible."

Beck has prophesied darkly to his millions of followers that we are reaching "a point where the people will have exhausted all their options. When that happens, look out." One night on Fox, discussing the case of a man who killed 10 people, Beck suggested such things were inevitable. "If you're a conservative, you are called a racist, you want to starve children," he said. "And every time they do speak out, they are shut down by political correctness. How do you not have those people turn into that guy?"

Here's one idea: Stop encouraging them.

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    • Author by essar1 (July 30, 2010 2:50 pm ET)
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      Finally, someone from the "mainstream" press calls out this nut.

      I've always believed Beck is really acting...the problem is, and this was what happened when Limbaugh's popularity grew, is that a large segment of Beck's viewers not only believewhat he says its likely their main source of information.

      Couple this with the fact that Obama has brown skin, and the fear and ignorance that fosters...well, Milbank is spot-on here
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      • Author by Alone in Texas (July 30, 2010 5:40 pm ET)
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        I sometimes wonder if his acting has not, to a large extent, taken over his persona, specially considering the enormity of his ego.
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      • Author by jmh (July 31, 2010 4:43 pm ET)
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        Thank you for making the point.
        I'm no lawyer, but I also feel that the way
        Beck and others skirt the line of their various slanders,
        incitements to violence (Limbaugh, to name another)
        should also prompt some legal scrutiny.
        My gut tells me their speech often goes beyond
        the "protected" kind.
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    • Author by mommadona (July 30, 2010 2:50 pm ET)
         
      Well, that was certainly a whoosy little response to a very dangerous personality cult and it's intentions #MSMFAILURE
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    • Author by bintx (July 30, 2010 2:53 pm ET)
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      Thank you, Dana Milbank.
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    • Author by bintx (July 30, 2010 2:54 pm ET)
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      Thank you, Dana Milbank.
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    • Author by bintx (July 30, 2010 2:54 pm ET)
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      Thank you, Dana Milbank.
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    • Author by Major Tom (July 30, 2010 2:58 pm ET)
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      I'm surer Milbank will be mocked by Beck and his juvenile crew. Maybe he'll just connect Milbank to the progressive cancer metastasizing with in America. Most likely Beck will address it on his show for 30 seconds giving the serious matter his 'clydie-clyde' kermit-the-frog voice, dripping with sarcasm, laughing at the charge without ever taking responsibility for anything... Oh and Right Wing blogs will support him too...

      Stop encouraging them? Mr. Milbank, you're not cynical enough, it's an election year. If they're not spitting-angry, how else do you get them to vote Republican?
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    • Author by Major Tom (July 30, 2010 3:00 pm ET)
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      I'm surer Milbank will be mocked by Beck and his juvenile crew. Maybe he'll just connect Milbank to the progressive cancer metastasizing with in America. Most likely Beck will address it on his show for 30 seconds giving the serious matter his 'clydie-clyde' kermit-the-frog voice, dripping with sarcasm, laughing at the charge without ever taking responsibility for anything... Oh and Right Wing blogs will support him too...

      Stop encouraging them? Mr. Milbank, you're not cynical enough, it's an election year. If they're not spitting-angry, how else do you get them to vote Republican?
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    • Author by Mr. Katanga (July 30, 2010 3:10 pm ET)
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      Sadly, I see this weasel use this as:

      "See? I must be telling the truth exposing the Evil Barack Empire!! THEY are trying to shut me up! Don't be surprised if I am suddenly off the air one day!"

      Republican playbook tactic #1: Play the Victim
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      • Author by bintx (July 30, 2010 3:26 pm ET)
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        Except that Milbank got "fired" as a consultant from MSNBC because he said something not very complimentary of Obama.
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      • Author by Louise08902 (July 31, 2010 1:20 pm ET)
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        Beck's preparing them for the upcoming day that he loses his show. His ratings are plummeting and his advertisers are dropping out. He will get canceled, like any other "product," but wants this minions to interpret that as part of a conspiracy to "shut him up."

        Don't worry, Glenn - you'll still have your mass rallies. Right now, you do your little comedy spiel - but we know that Aug 28 will be the day you finally break out and start holding political rallies! Why, soon you may be filling stadiums the size of Nuremberg's!

        Seriously - this guy is close to modeling himself on Hitler. He evens apes him on the cover of his book! The only difference is that it will be "Progressives" who have to go to the camps.

        It will just be to make them work, after all. They just sit around collecting welfare and entitlements and telling everybody else what to do, blaming all the problems in the country on the REAL Americans, those "racists" who actually DO all the work and EARN a living. Work camps for Progressives will make them finally contribute to this society, instead of just taking from it. They can go to classes where Prof. Barton can teach them the TRUTH, not that secular hogwash they were fed in our socialist-run schools.

        Hail Beck!
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    • Author by pilotx (July 30, 2010 3:55 pm ET)
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      Just like the president pointed out during his speech today, these are real people with families and not bogeymen that the RW media had made them into. Sit down and talk to the people who work for the Tides, ACORN, or go to Trinity United Church before you demonize them as evil creatures. There is usually a simple explanation of why these people join these organizations. I'm pretty sure most ACORN employees either A. needed the job or B. actually believed in the mission of empowering low and moderate income people and didn't just want to overthrow the government and install a communistic dictatorship. Most RWers let their ideology trump their common sense, GWB is a prime example. This might have to get worse before it gets better unfortunately.
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    • Author by Invent a Scandal (July 30, 2010 4:47 pm ET)
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      Might be good to e-mail this to all the Police departments in the United States.

      This man is an accessory to the murder of the police officer in Pittsburgh. Beck should be in jail or deported as a domestic terrorist.

      He's a radical who's inciting violence against public safety officials.
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      • Author by Major Tom (July 30, 2010 5:39 pm ET)
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        I don't know how that could be in question, now.
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      • Author by jaguarundi (July 31, 2010 6:59 am ET)
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        He's a radical who's inciting violence against public safety officials.
        Invent a Scandal

        The correct phrase is Reactionary or Conservative Reactionary and not Radical. Reactionary is the term for extreme conservatism like Beck (and fascism).

        Benito Mussolini said:
        fascism is reaction . . . . fascism, which did not fear to call itself reactionary... has not today any impediment against declaring itself illiberal and anti-liberal.
        A wacko, nut job by any other name would smell just as bad.
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    • Author by rtwmd1230 (July 30, 2010 5:16 pm ET)
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      Thank you, Mr. Milbank, but way too little and way, way too late.
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    • Author by progressive zeppelin 13 (July 30, 2010 5:26 pm ET)
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      Notice how no cons are saying this stuff is wrong?
      Beck, STFU before more get hurt.
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    • Author by phredicles (July 30, 2010 6:07 pm ET)
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      I have to take issue with one of Milbank's statements:

      It's not fair to blame Beck for violence committed by people who watch his show.


      If we were talking about an isolated incident, this is a reasonable position. When a pattern of violent behavior by people clearly responding to specific examples of Beck's rhetoric (as Williams' targeting of the Tides foundation), I believe he absolutely should be held responsible, as should his employers.
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    • Author by jaguarundi (July 31, 2010 7:24 am ET)
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      Does not this and other incitements by hate media, fall under the “clear and present danger” test established by the Schenck v. United States decision or even the “bad tendency” test adopted in Whitney v. California? (Although I certainly believe that the Reactionary court we have now would certainly overrule this precedent) Is it not the modern equivalent of shouting fire in a crowded theater but in this case the crowded theater is a sprinkling of crazed nutjobs? I don’t think we need to limit free speech but just substantially lower the bar when establishing culpability in civil litigation when dealing with media figures. If Beck lost about 90% of his wealth in a single lawsuit, I bet his phrasing of things would be self-modified. Especially if the beneficiaries of the litigation were some progressive organization like the Tides Foundation :-)

      Since these asses take it right up to the line and scream "Free Speech Rights" maybe we should establish a newer precedent for just where that line should be.

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    • Author by nativeofsf (July 31, 2010 10:08 pm ET)
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      Aside from all this forceful diatribe, from both sides of the line -- what I demand to know is...when is one of ours going to cross the line and just take-out Glenda? I mean, whose going to "whack him", to "take him out", to "give him a pair of cement shoes" or just let Becky "swim with the fishies"?

      Personally, I'd like to reprise Laurence Olivier's role in Marathon Man.
      So tell me, Glenda, "Is it safe?"
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    • Author by donwelty (August 01, 2010 3:29 pm ET)
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      The Southern Poverty Law Center traces violent hateful encouragement to violence to the leaders of the KKK. If a KKK leader incites violence and one of the members as a result does violence, the leader is also at fault. (That's how Beulah May Donald came to own the headquarters compound of one KKK group.) I see Beck inciting violence, some nutcase who listens to his show doing something stupid, but I don't see as direct a connection, unfortunately.

      I would like to see Beck find a place in obscurity like Father Coughlin and Joe McCarthy. we can hope.
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    • Author by sciguy (August 01, 2010 5:34 pm ET)
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      I'm not a fan of Milbank. (His "reporting" is often pretty shallow and carries an unnecessary snarky/supercilious tone.) But here he is doing the right thing.

      Could a commenter who is better versed in the legal limitations of free speech, please weigh in on when incitement to violence causes a person to become at least partially responsible for the violence that ensues. I remember a case (I believe from the '80s) where a white supremacist was held accountable for skinhead violence in either Oregon or Washington because he and the materials that he produced were shown to have played a significant role in the skinheads behavior/training. The Southern Poverty Law Center brought the case and won.
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      • Author by sciguy (August 01, 2010 6:48 pm ET)
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        Here's a link to the incident I was talking about involving Tom Metzger and the White Aryan Resistance.

        Tom Metzger, Wikipedia
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