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Fox News exec says it stood "1000%" behind Beck's ugly "death camps" smear

August 03, 2010 9:54 pm ET by Todd Gregory

Earlier today, Media Matters noted Michael Calderone's report that Fox News executives had told Simon Greer of Jewish Funds for Justice that Glenn Beck "crossed the line" when Beck accused of Greer of advocating a philosophy that "leads to death camps." Calderone reported that Greer met with Fox News CEO Roger Ailes and senior vice president Joel Cheatwood on July 26 and that during the meeting, the two executives "agreed that Beck crossed the line in comparing Greer's worldview to that of the Nazis and promised to speak with Beck about the matter." But this evening, Cheatwood disputed that account, telling TVNewser, "Never did we talk about Glenn 'crossing the line.' " TVNewser further reported:

Cheatwood says that during the meeting, he and Ailes explained Beck's perspective that the holocaust is one of the worst events in history and should be handled with a tremendous amount of sympathy. They reinforced that everyone in the media needs to be sensitive around this topic.

Cheatwood said he felt it was an "honest, open, dignified meeting," and that Greer's account as it appeared in the Yahoo! article "didn't bear any resemblance to the truth." "The story basically -- as I read it -- indicated that Roger Ailes and myself had agreed with Greer," he told us.

"We absolutely stood behind Glenn Beck 1000%," he said.

Just so everyone's clear about what Fox News is standing behind, it's worth noting what Beck originally said about Greer on his May 28 radio show.

Beck began by reading from a Washington Post piece that Greer had written about Beck and his attacks on social justice: "Here's what we do for each other as Americans: We grow food, we create jobs, we build homes, pave roads, teach our children, care for our grandparents, secure our neighborhoods. Government makes our country function. To put God first is to put humankind first. To put humankind first is to put the common good first."

After quoting that statement about Americans' shared responsibilities to each other, Beck immediately pounced: "This leads to death camps. A Jew, of all people, should know that. This is exactly the kind of talk that led to the death camps in Germany. Put humankind and the common good first."

Greer himself best explained why those comments are so repulsive when he responded to Beck in a statement the same day:

Glenn Beck has a history recklessly invoking Nazi Germany and the Holocaust in order to advance his political agenda. But never before has Beck accused Jews - including survivors of the Holocaust and their children and grandchildren - of paving the way for fascism. Through his comments, Beck has demonstrated that he has no idea what leads to fascism. Jews and others, who were victims of the Holocaust, do not have the luxury of his ignorance.

It's especially dangerous for Fox News to defend these sorts of outrageous comments by Beck. As Media Matters documented, Fox News figures have consistently stuck up for Beck's infamous statement that President Obama is a "racist" who has "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture" -- both executives like Ailes and Rupert Murdoch and on-air personalities like Sean Hannity.

Fox's defense of this rhetoric has the effect of mainstreaming it, of proving that there are no real consequences for media figures who push the discourse beyond acceptable boundaries. Despite the fact that Beck's accusation that Obama is a racist has led to at least 100 advertisers dropping their ads from his Fox News show, right-wing media figures now routinely call Obama and others in his administration "racist.'

You can be sure that Beck imitators in the media will take note of the fact that Fox is standing "1000%" behind a statement that concern for the common good leads to death camps.

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    • Author by highlyunlikely (August 03, 2010 10:22 pm ET)
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      if I'm reading between the lines correctly, Ailes and co. told Greer whatever it took to appease him before doing a 180 in that public statement. The truth is where Beck is concerned there IS no line to cross which means he is free to take this incendiary monologue far beyond any level of acceptable discourse to the point of inciting a riot with no consequence. In other words, Ailes has decided sticking with Beck regardless of cost is the cost of doing business.
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      • Author by ofmenandmice (August 04, 2010 11:04 am ET)
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        As long as the people behind Fox stockholders like AXA and Goldman Sachs do not pull their capital out of the Company and Advertisers Like Gerber do no cancel the slots we will have to deal with Beck. Ailes and Murdoch do not care Murdoch voiced comments that reflect the views of O'Reilly, Hannity ... himself so he has no interest in changing anything until his own pocket is hurt
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:05 pm ET)
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        Huh, that's what you got? I got that Greer is clearly a liar and his lies had to be corrected.

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        • Author by mary59 (August 04, 2010 5:05 pm ET)
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          Pretty strange comment.

          Logic and common sense would tend to side with Greer on this.
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        • Author by congero6189599 (August 04, 2010 5:58 pm ET)
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          You have to adjust your wingnut hat clearly your messages are coming in scrambled. Dr.Beck? For crying out loud. lol.
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        • Author by sodium (August 04, 2010 8:11 pm ET)
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          Verum Ad Potentia :" I got that Greer is clearly a liar"

          I hear a good shot of penicillan will clear up what you've...*ahem...."got".

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        • Author by wareagle (August 04, 2010 9:23 pm ET)
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          Truth to power. You lemmings learned that one good. Too bad Obama isn't held to your lofty standards for others.
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        • Author by Clear (August 05, 2010 1:09 am ET)
             
          Are you American?
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        • Author by eekeller (August 06, 2010 7:54 pm ET)
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          First, you must be able to recognize truth, i.e., facts from fiction. Beckholes believe anything they are told. (Why? My opinion: because thinking takes energy.) Then you can move on to the power thing.
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    • Author by j238 (August 03, 2010 10:30 pm ET)
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      Discussing Glenn Beck is increasingly pointless. He's just spewing insane nonsense.

      In my personal interactions I ignore people like that. I wish we had the luxury of doing the same with Beck.
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      • Author by mattcable250650 (August 04, 2010 12:06 am ET)
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        My local paper ran Dana Milbank's column today about how Glenn Beck was using incrasingly dangerous, unhinged rhetoric. Our local right-wingers were so exercised about it, they and their liberal critics put in 105 comments today following the piece. No, the right-wingers didn't buy the idea of Beck being dangerous at all and proceeded to draw all sorts of false equivalences showing that Beck's words were completely unobjectionable.
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        • Author by stevensm (August 04, 2010 8:00 am ET)
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          Which is one reason why Beck went out of his way on Monday's show to declare that "no one has preached on TV or radio more than me that violence is not the answer" and once again repeated his favorite mantra that it's the left who engages in more violence. He's getting nervous about the fall-out from his rhetoric and is now seeking to cover his arse so that he (and FOX News) can have some sort of deniable plausibility.
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          • Author by cst (August 04, 2010 9:38 am ET)
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            Which won't stop him from saying increasingly inflammatory things.
            Eventually, he WILL go so far Fox will have no choice but to fire him, and they both know it... although, of course, neither can publically admit that.
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          • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:20 pm ET)
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            Yeah, it couldn't be that Dr. Alveda King warned him that this is exactly what Rev. King's opponents did to him and urged him to use her uncle's tactics of non-violence to deal with it...right?

            Dr. King supports Dr. Beck...that must make you leftists absolutly nutz! Because after all, Rev. King belongs to the left exclusivly and not to all of humanity, and certinly not to a fat, blond, conservitive of German desent...right?

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            • Author by mary59 (August 04, 2010 4:56 pm ET)
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              Is this a guessing game? Why the "German descent thing"?

              Hmm...early Newt? Sargent Shultz? Glen Beck?

              I think it's Glen. He is truly nutz! And thank you for your inciteful post.
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            • Author by internet soldier (August 04, 2010 5:30 pm ET)
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              Yeah, it couldn't be that Dr. Alveda King warned him that this is exactly what Rev. King's opponents did to him and urged him to use her uncle's tactics of non-violence to deal with it...right?


              Is he getting rocks thrown through his window? Did the 9/12 demonstrators get firehosed? Is he finding burning crosses in his yard? Did he get thrown in jail?

              Would you wingnuts please try to keep your fantasies of bravely standing tall in face of persecution to yourselves? It's getting rather unseemly.
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              • Author by congero6189599 (August 04, 2010 5:52 pm ET)
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                Well It thinks for itself and Dr. Beck said MLK supports him. lol.
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            • Author by eekeller (August 06, 2010 7:56 pm ET)
                 
              I'm so embarrassed for you. I wish I could get rid of that bit of humanity; it's so useless for teabaggers.
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        • Author by So Fain (August 04, 2010 9:49 am ET)
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          I read some of the comments. Very sad. They all think he's a man of God. So depressing. I had to stop reading.
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          • Author by eb (August 04, 2010 10:19 am ET)
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            My impression has been that he is bringing up the God stuff more often. It seems to go with him being so unhinged.

            I also think for his viewers it is an effective way to sugar coat and legitimize his rhetoric. Unfortunately it seems to work.
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            • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:25 pm ET)
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              Perhaps he should take a page out of MM's book and just throw any and everything he can think of (no matter how obviously false it may be) at his opponents and see what sticks? How many Beck threads (often contradictory "Glenn Beck is dangerous" in one thread and "Why does Glenn Beck urge his audience to be non-violent so often?" in the next) per day does MM average?

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              • Author by mary59 (August 04, 2010 5:07 pm ET)
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                Good idea. Beck should post actual audio and video links that disprove his rants, like Media Matters does.

                I totally agree.
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              • Author by bilbo_dies (August 04, 2010 5:59 pm ET)
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                Hey Jimbo, animadverto vel fantasy.
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              • Author by mrhebert74 (August 04, 2010 11:38 pm ET)
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                I'm still waiting for the day when a wingnut will back up the assertion that MMFA is making "obviously false" reports with any kind of factual analysis at all.

                Also it's rich that an apologist for a Fox News personality would ham-fistedly co-opt "Truth to Power." Just sayin'.
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        • Author by vaf29 (August 04, 2010 2:36 pm ET)
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          OMG!! The vast majority of those people have totally drunk the Beck Kool-Aid! Scary!! And they keep saying that *Milbank* is advocating violence. What is the matter with these people??
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          • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:27 pm ET)
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            Yeah, what's the matter with them? Why don't they just accept everything (even things clearly contradicted by the audio MM posts) MM says as gospel and hate Beck too?

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            • Author by MiniTru (August 05, 2010 8:16 am ET)
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              Truth To Power
              Or, as Beck does, "Lie to the Weak."

              I see it worked on you.
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        • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:14 pm ET)
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          Riiiiight...because anything said in Dr. Beck's defense must be a lie...right?

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          • Author by MiniTru (August 05, 2010 11:10 pm ET)
               
            Riiiiight...because anything said in Dr. Beck's defense must be a lie...right?
            Well, it is when you say it.
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:11 pm ET)
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        Um...chang the channel?

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    • Author by epichuntarz (August 03, 2010 10:40 pm ET)
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      This is just further proof that there is zero accountability at FoxNews. It's really sickening. It this were any other self-respecting news organization, Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, Kelly, Cavuto, the hosts of Fox and Friends, and Van Susternenenen would have all been fired a long time ago.
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      • Author by Agent Mulder (August 03, 2010 11:19 pm ET)
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        Agreed. And proof, although it's common knowledge, that it's not a news organization but a right-wing media machine with an agenda.

        Sad comment on the general mental state of society, though, that they can get away with what they do, and even be applauded for it by some.

        And the commentators, unless they do something illegal on-air, will never be fired as long as ratings and thoughtless Americans follow.
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        • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:30 pm ET)
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          Well as long as those of you on the left agree, that's all that matters.

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          • Author by congero6189599 (August 04, 2010 5:37 pm ET)
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            Look IT learned to type. lol. Dr.Beck? lol.
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            • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 9:21 pm ET)
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              De-humanization...what a brilliant refutation!

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          • Author by bilbo_dies (August 04, 2010 6:03 pm ET)
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            is obduco pro disputatio in fantasy terra
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            • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 9:23 pm ET)
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              ...and mocking via twisting my name! Another brilliant refutation of my position!

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              • Author by MiniTru (August 05, 2010 9:49 am ET)
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                The only position I see you have taken is prostrate in front of "Dr" Beck.
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              • Author by eekeller (August 06, 2010 8:01 pm ET)
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                OMG! Did you spend one day in school listening? I dare you to back up on point in your "position." Only one rule; you must use FACTS.
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      • Author by raddave43 (August 03, 2010 11:54 pm ET)
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        But Keith Olbermann said "rubble rubble gerflaw" one time, so he is as bad as anyone at Fox.

        <wingnut in training>
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        • Author by mescal (August 04, 2010 1:38 am ET)
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          THAT LIBERAL BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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          • Author by mescal (August 04, 2010 1:39 am ET)
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            Sorry. Not enough exclamation marks.
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            • Author by UncleLew (August 04, 2010 8:57 am ET)
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              But he did use ALL CAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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              • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:35 pm ET)
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                Well that must make it an accurate portrayal then...right?

                ...oh...sorry, I meant" WELL THAT MUST MAKE IT AN ACCURATE PORTRAYAL THEN...RIGHT?

                I didn't want to fail to live up to your expectations.

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            • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:33 pm ET)
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              I'm sure you'll do better next time.

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          • Author by rumpleteasermom (August 04, 2010 11:30 am ET)
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            How is it that bastard passes the net nanny here and pi$$ed off does not?

            What is the criteria they use and is there a list somewhere?
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            • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:53 pm ET)
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              Well there is the TOU but that sure doesn't seem to be applied often (if at all) to the liberal posters. Speaking of which:

              I see now that until my new poster status is over and my posts are readable without a (often) multi-day delay between submission and actual posting, there is little if any point to spending my effort writing posts to threads that will most likely be dead by the time they are posted, and since I will be stuck in new poster status limbo until such time as I have submitted an unspecified number of posts (is it the same number for conservative posters as for liberal I wonder?) I am going to mostly stop posting anything with any depth for so long as my new poster status continues, and focus on quantity. An exception to this will be made for okiepoli, who made what I believe was an effort to open an actual dialog with me, and for which has gained a measure of my respect, and who I will therefore go out of my way to respond to. Apologies to any who reply to any of my posts and don't receive an answer, and thanks in advance for your understanding. (I still have posts from last Friday that I haven't seen posted yet.)

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              • Author by highlyunlikely (August 04, 2010 8:24 pm ET)
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                while on probation, I made comments which never got posted. I kept them for months, updating every day until I concluded I had gone way past the point of diminishing returns. You can go the martyr route here - a classic yet desperate con. tactic - or you can be relevant. your choice.
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                • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 9:28 pm ET)
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                  Thanks for your understanding. No, I'm not trying to take the martyr rout (I'm not that kind of Christian), just pointing out the reality of my sometimes apparent silence for those posters who like to say, 'See, he's not responding because he knows my irrefutable argument has destroyed him! MUA-hahahahaha!'

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                • Author by MiniTru (August 05, 2010 9:29 am ET)
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                  He's already made his choice, and apparently he chose to be irrelevant.
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          • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:32 pm ET)
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            Yeah, and never mind the TOU, 'cuz that's just to shut the conservatives up with. It clearly doesn't apply to anybody from the left...right?

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            • Author by internet soldier (August 04, 2010 5:37 pm ET)
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              There it is again with that dopey "truth to power" slogan. Are you righties all living in a cheesy Mel Gibson movie or something?
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              • Author by congero6189599 (August 04, 2010 6:26 pm ET)
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                I think it's following orders. Dr. Beck(lol) told his minions to monitor "leftist" sites, It's just following orders.
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                • Author by internet soldier (August 04, 2010 7:00 pm ET)
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                  It seems to take itself very seriously, Congero, perhaps it does feel it has an important mission.

                  Maybe Beck's followers will learn soemthing while "monitoring" left wing sites. Just joking, of course they won't.

                  Oh and I got great entertainment from his complaint that the mods are cleverly manipulating the Terms of Use to silence conservatives, when a mod had to approve his post for it to even show up. Indeed, the mods could easily just ban all the right-wingers for no reason if they wanted to silence dissent. These complaints are even more hilarious when they're made conservatives who've been posting here for years.
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                  • Author by congero6189599 (August 04, 2010 7:33 pm ET)
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                    I know but he still doesn't know the password to our secret site where we do the actual planning. lol.
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                    • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 9:33 pm ET)
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                      More de-humanization accompanied by mocking ridicule? Wow, you two present the most intellectual arguments!

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                      • Author by MiniTru (August 05, 2010 9:33 am ET)
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                        Notice how Vomit All Over Power did the same thing he accused congero and internet soldier of doing? Projection is the only tool the right wingnuts have, and they don't even use that well.
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:29 pm ET)
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        Yeah, 'cuz anybody MM doesn't like, and defiantly anybody who dares to speak out against the President, Speaker of the House, and Senate Majority Leader is clearly un-American, un-patriotic and should be destroyed...right?

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        • Author by congero6189599 (August 04, 2010 5:45 pm ET)
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          You are a comedian right? Not a very good one but you are trying out material right? Hehehe...keep em' coming I like watching you bomb out. lol.
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          • Author by bilbo_dies (August 04, 2010 6:07 pm ET)
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            He's going for the latin version of the right wing comedy channel.
            Like the rest of the "conservative" commedians, he isn't very good.
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          • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 9:35 pm ET)
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            I'm human again? Aw thanks...that's big of you.

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            • Author by rumpleteasermom (August 05, 2010 11:35 am ET)
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              Honey, has it occurred to you that there is a growing contingent of people who use the third person neutral pronoun when they don't know the gender of the person being referred to? If I had to guess, I'd say you are male from your writing, but there is really no way of knowing.

              As for how long it takes to get out of probation it felt like forever for me too, and I haven't got a right-wing bone in my body.

              And no, the TOU does not include the list of words set to trigger the net nanny which seems to be completely random.
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        • Author by highlyunlikely (August 04, 2010 8:26 pm ET)
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          no, that's what your side thinks. victimhood tactics really don't work.
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        • Author by eekeller (August 06, 2010 8:07 pm ET)
             
          Are you talking about the Bush Admin or the Obama Admin? Because clearly there's a different standard. BTW, when did anyone accuse you of being un-American, un-patriotic, and said they wanted to destroy you? Paranoia?
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    • Author by slohand2001 (August 03, 2010 11:03 pm ET)
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      Do any of you people even watch Glenn or do research or think for yourselves or do you just listen to the bits and pieces that others who are already prejudiced (like yourselves) have to say about the little bits and pieces of information that they've taken out of context? No one seems to recognize or care about the issues that are of consequence, and if they DO take the time to find out, they can't believe it and non-chalantly shrug it off with rude or crude comments and even reckless abandon, usually being very careful to shroud it with rambling rhetoric..........
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      • Author by eb (August 04, 2010 4:07 pm ET)
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        Do any of you people even watch Glenn

        Yes, often. He is like a train wreck and what is presented here is consistent with what I see.

        do research or think for yourselves or do you just listen to the bits and pieces that others who are already prejudiced (like yourselves) have to say about the little bits and pieces of information that they've taken out of context?

        Yes its a big complicated world out there unless your Glenn Beck and then everything is divided up into nice neat piles of evil/dangerous vs good and virtuous. Beck is the one that needs to stop being full of himself and do some research. He obviously does not understand liberal or progressive ideas or policy. When he describes such things, his ignorance of them is embarrassingly loud and clear. He is lucky his audience would rather hear straw man stereotypes instead of reality.

        No one seems to recognize or care about the issues that are of consequence,

        Beck is obsessed with Woodrow Wilson and G. Wright. Beck thinks that our nation is at the breaking point because God fearing pro corporate conservatives are not getting their way 100 percent of the time. Beck has to scrape deep in the muck to come up with more evil to scare his vulnerable listeners.

        and if they DO take the time to find out, they can't believe it and non-chalantly shrug it off with rude or crude comments and even reckless abandon, usually being very careful to shroud it with rambling rhetoric..........

        Actually that was kind of funny, the part about rambling rhetoric.... It is easy to shrug off Beck because when you are not a conservative like he is, its really next to impossible to see yourself as extremely evil, extremely dangerous and extremely powerful. He is even going after churches that value social justice. How dare they! They must be stopped at once or our nation is doomed...

        Beck thinks we are under attack from with in. His presentation of this interpretation and the evidence he gives could easily be seen as some sort of parody.
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        • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 5:00 pm ET)
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          eb, I look forward to discussing this at length with you once my new poster status is over and I am able to respond to your posts and read your response to mine in a timely manner. Until then though I hope you will understand that there is little (if any) point in trying to have a dialog with you (or anybody else) on this or any topic as my posts may not be approved for posting by the MM staff that must read all of my posts for potential TOU violations before posting them, and that often, by the time they read them the thread in question is closed.

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          • Author by highlyunlikely (August 05, 2010 5:39 pm ET)
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            which is why you appear so often and keep getting responses, no doubt.
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 4:56 pm ET)
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        No, they don't. Further, they mock Dr. Beck's audience for not researching or thinking for themselves even though folks like yourself and myself come here to see if there is any attempt to make a serious point or if they are doing just exactly what they are accusing Dr. Beck of.

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        • Author by congero6189599 (August 04, 2010 5:49 pm ET)
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          lol. haha...Dr.Beck? you researched it and found Beck has a doctorate? lol
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          • Author by bilbo_dies (August 04, 2010 6:30 pm ET)
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            Nothing like a guy who barely got out of high school, couldn't hack college, and then receives and honorary doctorate from Liberty University.

            Well, I guess that just shows US, now doesn't it. (?)
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            • Author by congero6189599 (August 04, 2010 7:29 pm ET)
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              I know from rodeo clown shock jock to honary doctorate will wonders never cease. lol
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            • Author by rumpleteasermom (August 05, 2010 12:29 pm ET)
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              Nothing like a guy who barely got out of high school, couldn't hack college, and then receives and honorary doctorate from Liberty University.


              Which is particularly humorous given this Beck Quote:

              Please stop teaching my children that everyone gets a trophy just for participating. What is this, the Nobel Prize? Not everybody gets a trophy.

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          • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 9:40 pm ET)
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            Yep, honorary. You didn't know? I thought MM made a big deal out of it, and since I know y'all love honorary awards and titles, I thought I'd go ahead and use it here to fit in. How am I doin' so far? :-D

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        • Author by eb (August 04, 2010 7:12 pm ET)
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          No, they don't. Further, they mock Dr. Beck's audience for not researching or thinking for themselves even though folks like yourself and myself come here to see if there is any attempt to make a serious point or if they are doing just exactly what they are accusing Dr. Beck of.

          What EXACTLY has Dr.Beck been falsely accused of here? Be specific! I'd really like to hear about how Beck:

          1. is correct that the 100 + year old liberal/progressive legacy in this country is one that is similar to Stalin and Hitler and poses a serious threat to the republic.

          2. Has real and credible evidence that the progressive movement is planning to destroy the republic, is Marxist, hates America and/or wants to take away our rights.

          Beck every day makes serious accusations about enemies within our country without evidence or proof. Please explain how we are wrong and that Beck provides us a convincing case of a vast conspiracy of enemies within.

          This website criticizes his shows (oh the horror!) based on evidence from a variety of legitimate sources. Please explain why this is somehow unfair or mocking Dr. Beck. Explain why the poor guy deserves our sympathy or has earned our respect.
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          • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 9:51 pm ET)
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            Sorry eb, no point to it until we can respond to one another in a timely manner, but once I have posted the proper number of posts, I look forward to having a dialog with you. Until then, I appreciate your understanding.

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            • Author by MiniTru (August 05, 2010 9:39 am ET)
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              In other words, eb, he can't provide one scintilla of proof or evidence.

              Nice dodge, though, Vomit All Over Power.
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      • Author by oneleft (August 04, 2010 5:01 pm ET)
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        "...and if they DO take the time to find out, they can't believe it..."

        an example would be nice. enlighten us.
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      • Author by RedRightHand (August 04, 2010 5:37 pm ET)
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        Actually, I was listening to Beck this morning, like I do most mornings, so I can be informed as to what he says; Here's an example: I noted that one of the things he was doing was making fun of stimulus money grants and not bothering to do any research as to why said grants were important.

        Then I heard one of his callers call in, a middle-school teacher who admitted to needing a dictionary to read the books he recommended and then commented that her children, thanks to Beck will now learn "honor" in the classroom and that she set up a small shrine to him. Now, of course she didn't use the word shrine, she just said she set up his picture and had her Beanie Babies kneeling in prayer to him in front of it, which he didn't ask her to not do (false idols anyone) but thought it was grand and hilarious.

        So yes, he is dangerous because people in positions to affect children listen to this self-described Rodeo Clown who admits that only a fool would believe him, taking his word as gospel and setting up shrines to him on their desks with children's collectibles as supplicants to his glory, swallowing his hypocritical comments, unfounded and spurious claims, and wild half-researched I(if he's lucky) points of information.
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        • Author by congero6189599 (August 04, 2010 5:55 pm ET)
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          yikes!!! That is scary.
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        • Author by bilbo_dies (August 04, 2010 6:33 pm ET)
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          Then I heard one of his callers call in, a middle-school teacher who admitted to needing a dictionary to read the books he recommended

          I assume she is a teacher at Home School U. ????

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          • Author by congero6189599 (August 04, 2010 7:37 pm ET)
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            No I think it was Whats A Matter U.
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          • Author by rumpleteasermom (August 05, 2010 12:31 pm ET)
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            HEY! Stop dissing the homeschoolers. I'll pit my kids vocabularies against yours (or most public school graduates) any day.
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        • Author by puttforever4682 (August 04, 2010 6:46 pm ET)
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          This teacher was real?---not a plant?
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    • Author by AmazedSatsuma (August 03, 2010 11:16 pm ET)
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      For Ailes and the rest of the Fox heads, the only line Beck can't cross is reporting the truth
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 5:01 pm ET)
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        I think you are projecting MM's issues (and yours?) upon Dr. Beck.

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    • Author by ptluzzi59 (August 04, 2010 12:35 am ET)
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      the guy is a kuntnugget
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 5:02 pm ET)
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        (insert sarcastic tone here) Wow...name calling...what a persuasive argument!

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    • Author by pete592 (August 04, 2010 1:01 am ET)
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      But isn't concern for the common good supposed to lead to Jesus Christ?
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      • Author by raddave43 (August 04, 2010 1:19 am ET)
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        No that sounds too much like collective salvation and we know that's demonic
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        • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 5:04 pm ET)
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          I don't know about demonic, but it isn't the gospel I read in the bible.

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      • Author by TheDayV (August 04, 2010 9:26 am ET)
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        Actually, Jesus Christ leads to concern for the common good. I mean, as the son of God, sacrificing yourself for the redemption of everyone, everywhere, anytime, seems pretty common good to me.
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        • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 5:12 pm ET)
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          I must have missed the sermon where Jesus said for anybody else to sacrifice themselves for the common good, and as I recall it, even Jesus asked His Father [b]"And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee...". Of course, being The Christ, He also finished that prayer by saying 'nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.' ~Mark 14:36

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          • Author by MiniTru (August 05, 2010 11:19 pm ET)
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            More like Half-Truth Hoping No One Is Informed.

            You picked the wrong site to peddle your lies.
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          • Author by TheDayV (August 06, 2010 11:43 am ET)
               
            No one is talking about sacrificing people for the common good. If you're going to throw scripture at me (clumsily), read Matthew 19:16-26 and explain to me how Jesus was an individualist or a respecter of property rights.
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      • Author by So Fain (August 04, 2010 9:53 am ET)
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        If Jesus Christ were to come again today, Beck and company would portray him just like the Romans did... Only worse. Jesus was the worst kind of community organizer and his tossing the bankers out of the temple was downright communist. His condemnation of the wealthy, his praise of the meek and the poor, his demanding that his followers pay taxes to the state, and a thousand other things mark him as a socialist. Let's face it... Jesus was responsible for the Holocaust.
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        • Author by eb (August 04, 2010 10:24 am ET)
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          For Beck, clearly the end justifies the means. He will force any twisted interpretation in order to justify his ideology. He seems to become more and more like the stereotypical progressive Stalinist fascist stereotype straw men he is always invoking on his program.

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          • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 5:18 pm ET)
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            Um...no. That's Saul Alinsky, and that's out of his play-book for y'all, but it's always enlighten to see liberals doing just exactly what they accuse any who oppose them of doing.

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            • Author by MiniTru (August 05, 2010 11:20 pm ET)
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              Saul Alinsky died in 1972.

              You're just another ditto-bot bleating many-times-debunked talking points.
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        • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 5:15 pm ET)
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          Wow, you are so wrong on so many points that I look forward to being able to actually discuss this with you in a timely manner. Interesting though how you are able to see into Dr. Beck's heart (I thought only God could do that!) and have thus passed your judgement on him.

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        • Author by Conchobhar (August 04, 2010 11:48 pm ET)
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          Jesus was the worst kind of community organizer and his tossing the bankers out of the temple was downright communist. His condemnation of the wealthy, his praise of the meek and the poor, his demanding that his followers pay taxes to the state, and a thousand other things mark him as a socialist.
          Guess you didn't get the Conservabible memo: those bits are out. I think the working title of the new, improved version of the "unchanging word of God," (Mike Huckabee quote) is Jesus Shruggede.
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 5:03 pm ET)
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        So Jesus was a Marxist? Interesting theory.

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        • Author by MiniTru (August 05, 2010 11:21 pm ET)
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          No, because Marx was born about 1800 years after Jesus.

          But keep on trying, you may post something credible some day.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (August 04, 2010 8:03 am ET)
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      Then, clearly, FOX News is anti-Semitic... ;>)
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 5:19 pm ET)
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        Riiiight...Don't let those pesky facts get in your way.

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    • Author by didi (August 04, 2010 8:39 am ET)
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      It's becoming increasingly clear that right wingers have no clue what fascism is.

      They keep trying to compare it to a liberal ideology.
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    • Author by davemccarthymusic9410 (August 04, 2010 9:31 am ET)
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      CHEATwood? Bwahahahahahaha!

      talk about truth in advertising!
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 5:55 pm ET)
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        Let me see if I have this logic right Dave...if so then:

        mccarthy? Bwahahahahahaha!

        talk about truth in advertising!

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    • Author by CoolSlaw (August 04, 2010 9:33 am ET)
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      Very Strange that there would be such a huge difference between what Greer reported being and told and what Ailes and Cheatwood claim was said in that meeting.

      It just doesn't make sense for Greer to lie about the meeting, even from a purely self-interested vantage point. Only Ailes and Cheatwood have an interest that is served by speaking from both sides of their mouths. We also have the organization known as Fox news and it's long and sordid track record of lying as a matter of agenda to make me think Greer is very likely the one telling the truth about this meeting.
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      • Author by eb (August 04, 2010 10:27 am ET)
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        On one hand, it almost seems like Ailes and Cheatwood are intimidated by Beck - the are afraid to contain the media beast the created.

        More likely, they are just provided cover to enable the media beast to continue his rampage.
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        • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 6:01 pm ET)
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          Or, it could just be that they know that if Dr. Beck were making false statements the government would force Dr. Beck from the air so that MM can declare victory in their scorched-earth campaign to destroy him.

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      • Author by AC_Mem (August 04, 2010 2:39 pm ET)
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        Greer has the hand written letter from Glenda. Wonder if it says "I crossed the line".

        We need more like Shirley, who will stand up to Faux and the pieholes and tell the truth about them. Until people stand up to the bully, the bully runs the playground.
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        • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 6:05 pm ET)
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          You mean like folks who feminize and make play-on-words like (Faux instead of Fox) other people's names by way of attacking them instead of their arguments? Those kinds of bullys?

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        • Author by bilbo_dies (August 04, 2010 6:44 pm ET)
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          That would be great but; who, in the media world of today will play the role of Edward R. Murrow and who will play the role of Joseph Welch???
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 5:58 pm ET)
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        ...unless Greer is a compulsive liar...or just a political hack who wants to gain any political advantage he can by any means necessary because, like Saul Alinsky he believes that the ends justify the means.

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    • Author by BigJay (August 04, 2010 9:36 am ET)
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      So Beck & Fox gives the finger to the Jewish Funds for Justice and just get away with it... When will real NEWS organizations call them out on their blatant BS!!!
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    • Author by So Fain (August 04, 2010 9:46 am ET)
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      This is exactly the kind of talk that led to the death camps in Germany. Put humankind and the common good first.

      How can ANY human being with even a modicum of conscience agree with this? How can someone say this and still call himself a man of faith or compare himself to Martin Luther King? What kind of insanity makes it okay to turn your back on everyone but yourself and your own selfish interests?

      WTF is happening to "Christians" in this country?
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      • Author by eb (August 04, 2010 10:37 am ET)
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        I would guess that the powerful backers of Beck and Fox find it advantageous, especially in this time of economic frustration, to put those who promote any kind of social justice on the defensive.

        Think about it, we recently had a huge financial scare where the remedy was to give a huge welfare check to our most powerful banks. Obviously something is broken in the system and accountability has been lacking.

        Beck and the other conservative pundit celebrities are the attack dogs that ensure that any populist reaction to recent developments are focused on the federal government and progressives. Beck is doing the heavy lifting to minimize any damage to these elites who stand to loose if our institutions reorganize in a manner that conflicts with their interests.

        It is pretty blatant. Even churches are out of line for considering social justice and 100 year old social justice policy is presented as threatening. Also consider the outrage that a tax cut would be rescinded for people making over 250,000 dollars in order to pay our debt. Budget cuts for education, the poor, etc are encouraged.
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      • Author by Fairfax (August 04, 2010 11:50 am ET)
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        Actually, what strikes me about this comment is the level of historical ignorance it displays. Just how does he think the Nazis "[put] humankind and the common good first?" In fact, they were very upfront about their hatred of just about anybody who wasn't of Teutonic/Nordic stock, and their desire to dominate the world for their own benefit.

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        • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 7:41 pm ET)
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          Socialists always claim their goals are for the good of the whole.

          Regarding '...their hatred of just about anybody who wasn't of Teutonic/Nordic...', How do you account for their alliance with Japan alone, not to mention Italy and the Arabic Muslims?

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          • Author by Old_Benjamin (August 05, 2010 6:46 pm ET)
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            Socialists always claim their goals are for the good of the whole.


            You seem to be operating under the delusion that the NSDAP's ideas of Germany for Germans and the Master Race were all inclusive of jews, trade unionists, communists, homosexuals, gypsies, etc.

            Here are a few of the points from their 1920 25 point manifesto...

            4. Only Germans may be citizens of the Germany. Only those of the German races may be members of the nation, their religion does not matter. No Jew may be a citizen

            8. No-one who is not of a German-race should be allowed to live in Germany. We want anyone who is not of a German-race who started living in Germany after 2 August 1914 to leave the country.

            23. We want the law to stop politicians from being anti-German, and newspapers from writing about them. To make a German national press we demand:
            that all editors of, and writers in the German language newspapers are members of the nation (of a German race);
            Foreign newspapers need permission from the government. They must not be printed in the German language;
            Non-Germans cannot own or control German newspapers.
            any non German who does own or control a newspaper will be made to leave Germany, and the newspaper closed down,
            Newspapers which criticise the country or the government are not allowed.
            Art, books and which support foreign ideas, should be banned.

            24. We want to allow all religions in the State, unless they offend the moral feelings of the German race. The NSDAP is Christian, but does not belong to any denomination. The NSDAP will fight the Jewish self-interest spirit, and believes that our nation will be strongest only if everyone puts the common interest before self-interest.
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    • Author by ny2nc (August 04, 2010 9:55 am ET)
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      I can't wait to read Mark William's "satiric" response to THIS one!
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    • Author by AC_Mem (August 04, 2010 10:43 am ET)
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      So is Faux saying that Greer is a liar?

      Maybe MMFA could get an interview with Greer himself so that he can clear his good name.
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    • Author by jmh (August 04, 2010 12:38 pm ET)
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      not to be too tangential here_, but it has occurred to me lately that if someone pointed out some simple declarative like: "The table is made of wood" he and his less even than sophomoric mind could conjure up some specious logic that that comment leads to death camps. The man's mind is _addled_ !!
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      • Author by jmh (August 04, 2010 12:39 pm ET)
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        oops, he meaning Beck , just in case that was not clear...
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        • Author by mary59 (August 04, 2010 1:59 pm ET)
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          Beck logic could use the table several different ways, depending upon what he wanted.

          1. Tables are made of wood. It means that trees are being cut down. therefore, there are less acorns. And we need less ACORNs.

          2. Tables are made of wood. Wood was used to make the cross. Therefore, tables are part of the evil liberal socialistic society and lead to "death camps."
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    • Author by theslowwonder (August 04, 2010 1:13 pm ET)
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      If you are tired of Glenn Beck, the most effective thing you can do is let your right-wing, religious family and friends know that he's a practicing Mormon. His prejudiced, reactionary audience has as little tolerance for fringe religions as it has for anyone else. This is why he's careful to only refer to his "Faith" and "God" without getting specific. Let their bigotry be turned on their own for once.
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      • Author by mary59 (August 04, 2010 2:00 pm ET)
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        I think those gold plates are in his head...
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        • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 7:50 pm ET)
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          Ahhh...I see now. Attacking Dr. Beck's faith is so much easier than attacking his argument.

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          • Author by MiniTru (August 05, 2010 9:44 am ET)
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            And saying you can't rebut an argument until you can communicate in real-time is much easier than actually providing support for your claims.
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          • Author by jmh (August 05, 2010 1:19 pm ET)
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            Dear mr or ms Potentia,
            i agree with your notion that one's faith should not be considered fair game ~in disputatio~ . Vero,I would seriously question whether he has any valid Doctorate of any kind (presumption being you were serious about that.. LOL!)

            ...(I believe**), on the face of things, his mental condition is of valid argument or scrutiny. Not to mention that his utterances are inane.
            Please excuse my bad grammar.
            (**I was going to use the Latin form for "I believe"...er.. um, but that would not read so well considering it's current colloquial usage, to bad though would have had a nice ring to it lolol
            ;o)
            sure wish I had studied Latin
            Ego P*t*
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            • Author by jmh (August 05, 2010 1:19 pm ET)
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              http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=English&to=Latin
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 7:49 pm ET)
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        Yeah, Glenn's a Mormon...so? Christians are waking up to liberal's divisive tactics and rather than focus on our differences, most of us are putting aside our doctrinal differences and focusing on that which saves us and unites us, the salvation of Christ.

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        • Author by MiniTru (August 05, 2010 11:27 pm ET)
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          Christians are waking up to liberal's divisive tactics and rather than focus on our differences, most of us are putting aside our doctrinal differences and focusing on that which saves us and unites us, the salvation of Christ.
          Except, of course, for those Godless Papists, right?
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    • Author by little poncho (August 04, 2010 2:51 pm ET)
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      hey glenda stand up quick,check your panties,we all know what the outcome is.....................
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    • Author by donwelty (August 04, 2010 2:53 pm ET)
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      Beck is death by a thousand cuts. If he were to come out and say something that resembles Nazi or KKK propaganda, he would be kicked off fairly quickly. Instead, he says things that cut a little at a time, but unfortunately the victim is just as dead.

      Beck should have been gone long ago. On a Certified Wacko Scale (that I just made up)

      Beck 98 (not 100, since flies like him)
      Breitbart 95
      Limbaugh 93
      Saveage 90
      Hannity 85
      Coulter 75
      O'Reilly 60
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      • Author by jmh (August 04, 2010 3:02 pm ET)
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        and speaking of Beck's Nazi hobby-horse, I am not scholar of the period, but has Beck shown any indication he has read up on the subject? ... or is he simply riffing on colloquial, so to speak, understanding (not that he seems to actually understands much of anything, lol)

        not to mention: I am sure he believes that Book-Lernin' can lead to ....
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        • Author by RedRightHand (August 04, 2010 5:45 pm ET)
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          I would not put it past the man to claim that there is a dearth of "actual" history on this subject thanks to Woodrow Wilson and the Progressive movement looking to expunge any connections with them.
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          • Author by eb (August 04, 2010 7:16 pm ET)
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            Actually if you read, Lies my teacher told me which was inspired by Howard Zinn, it deals quite a bit with Woodrow Wilson's racism. Its not like its some kind of dirty little liberal secret.

            Another example of how Beck's attacks on progressives show that he does't know anything about them. It still does stop him from smearing and distorting.
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            • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 8:02 pm ET)
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              Wait, you agree with him on WW, but then say that is an 'example of how Beck's attacks on progressives show that he doesn't know anything about them' and that 'It still does stop him from smearing and distorting.' How does that work?

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              • Author by eb (August 05, 2010 9:36 am ET)
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                YOU have not read the book Lies my Teacher Told me. You do not have any idea how this analysis of history works. Why don't YOU do a little research and find out how ridiculous and petty Beck's analysis is.

                This non-conservative book reviews how history is simplified in schools into good guys and bad guys and is critical of it because it is not accurate and promotes a political agenda. It is critical of the kind of analysis Beck does. Also the book makes a clear distinction between the racism in the progressive era and the idea that government should serve the people and reign in on the excesses of capitalism.

                The book completely refutes Beck's slant on things while also critiquing the racism that was rampant among both conservatives and liberals during that time. It does not hold Woodrow Wilson up as a hero at all. It does, however, show that people 100 years ago knew that capitalism needed rules and checks and balances. Why don't you read it and compare what progressives actually say and not the straw men beck is so lazy to dish out.

                Beck looks like a fool just about every time he puts on those glasses. He needs a coloring book and a crayon... not a chalkboard.
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          • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 7:58 pm ET)
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            Nope, there's lots of factual and indisputable history on all of this, it's just that you haven't read it, so it must not be true...right?

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        • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 7:57 pm ET)
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          Yep, y'all clearly do your own research. Dr. Beck is a voracious reader, and has had historians on his programs discussing the facts, but then, having looked into things for yourself, you already knew that...right?

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          • Author by eb (August 05, 2010 9:24 am ET)
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            From what I can tell, Beck mostly reads comic books. His analysis is faulty on many levels, even if he can source what he says, he is not doing an honest investigation.

            This website also provides sources that clearly contradict what Beck is saying. Look at them and compare with Beck you can clearly see the difference. Beck gets it wrong because he doesn't want to look far enough to get it right.

            Beck gets it wrong for a reason. He can source all he wants but his conclusions are easily shot down because promoting his political agenda is his priority
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 7:55 pm ET)
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        Y-e-a-h, just ignore the fact that he's not a racist or that the Nazi's were the National Socialist Worker's Party, and that the biggest difference between them and the communists was the fact that the communists were Global-ists.

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        • Author by eb (August 05, 2010 9:25 am ET)
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          Has Beck been educating you? I can tell...
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        • Author by jjamele2880 (August 05, 2010 8:00 pm ET)
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          The Nazis weren't Globalists?

          You aren't a fan of a certain Louisiana Governor, are you? Because you are reaching that level of dumb.
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        • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (August 05, 2010 8:06 pm ET)
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          Just how ignorant are you?

          The original German Nazi, Anton Drexler, was anti-Jewish and anti-communist, among the many other things he was against.

          The National Socialist Workers Party chose its name to make it appear appear as though it was interested in socialism and workers, when in fact it was interested in a merging of state and corporate interests -- fascism.

          When the Nazis came to power, you think they weren't globalists? Then why the hell were they fighting a war to take over the world?
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          • Author by congero6189599 (August 06, 2010 9:56 am ET)
               
            It's going to answer you when it can post more substantively. lol.
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    • Author by mari2jj (August 04, 2010 3:07 pm ET)
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      Actually nothing or no one can mainstream this hate talk. The part of our population that believes in hate filled speech that Beck uses will gulp his radical speech down and spit it out every chance they get. But you have to be a dingaling to swallo9w this hate speech. Beck is a liar and a gross exaggerator of the truth and even the dullest follower must know that. But his rhetoric fits right in with their hate speech also. On moral and religious grounds, I have decided that Beck hates anyone who is not a zeig-heil follower of his and his far right followers. He will stoop to any lie in order to blast his hate speech. He just makes up facts. He is no newsman and that is exactly what Faux wants. Ignore the Faux nut machine. they love this muck they are spewing. They do not have any real love for our country. nor dfor ethical news standards. Most of their "stars" are right wing whack jobs. I am a Republican but my own religious value system precludes me from even listening to these hate filled dolts.
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    • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (August 04, 2010 4:14 pm ET)
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      Beck's an idiot. The Nazi philosophy and the way they governed led to death camps not because they cared about "the COMMON good" but because they cared about the SELECTIVE good -- the state and the wellbeing of the thin strata of society (Nazis) who controlled it mattered above all else.
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      • Author by Verum Ad Potentia (August 04, 2010 9:15 pm ET)
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        ...you do understand that the Nazi philosophy was national socialism...right?

        Further, you do understand that socialism is always very selective about who benefits in the common good, and that the first requisite to receiving their benevolence is agreeing with them...right?

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        • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (August 05, 2010 7:54 pm ET)
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          You can't be this stupid.

          First, the Nazis weren't "socialists" -- they were "national socialists." Not. The. Same. Thing.

          Second, here's how these economic systems break down theoretically:

          Communism is ownership by all the people in the group for the benefit of the people in the group.

          Socialism is ownership by the state for the benefit of all the people in the state.

          Fascism is ownership by the state and its corporate allies for the benefit of the state, the people who run it, and their corporate allies.

          Those who called themselves communists, like the Soviet Union and China, were not really communists. If anything, they were closer to fascists, since the state controlled everything for the benefit of the state and the small group of people who ran it.

          The National Socialists or Nazis (not socialists, remember) were also fascists -- the state and corporate allies owning everything for the benefit of the state, the people who ran it and their corporate allies.
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        • Author by jjamele2880 (August 05, 2010 7:58 pm ET)
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          The most "selective" economic system is Feudalism, and I would list Capitalism as it is currently practiced a close second.

          If you think that the National Socialism of the Nazi Party has any resemblance to modern European Socialism, you desperately need to get yourself back into school. In the meantime, stop advertising your ignorance here, ok?
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    • Author by Winski (August 04, 2010 7:49 pm ET)
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      ANY rational discussion about the beck-based dialogue on any subject is clearly off the radar scope for any clown at Cluster-Fox.. They have become such believers in their own distortion and lies, their reality is drifting away for the tangible... I suggest a pat on the head, and a further nudge down the loon trail, as they drift away into oblivion.
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    • Author by Randall Flagg (August 04, 2010 10:26 pm ET)
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      Well Beck is helping himself, to all his follower's wallets.
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